Just found official information that the Trinity will get GPS
See folowing link to the latest HTC brochure.
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_PRODUCT_BROCHURE_V2_111006.pdf
Guess many of us are happy now
read the bulletin - "Standalone GPS" means an indipendent accessories that provide GPS connectivity... it will be available shortly, which is not a specially fresh news since standalone BT GPSs' have been on the market for a while now (Haicom etc)
its all a bit ambiguous - if you have a look at the way they write up the p3300 you see there choice of words is "standalone gps"
it doesn't matter, even without the GPS function i will still get a set
As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
Lucas0511 said:
As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
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Let's interpred the text this way: HTC will not praise their latest top notch product in the first line of text with "Standalone GPS" when in reality it is a separate GPS device. This is not like HTC.
When "standalone GPS" means a seperate GPS device, then this text would apply to all today's pocket PC's... and HTC would not use this phrase in the first line of text to praise their new pride...
Time will tell, let everyone judge for his/her own...
Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
And as we say in Germany : Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too. Look at this baby, a competitor to HTC Artemis, with GPS:
http://www.etencorp.com/products/Communication/x500.php
IMHO the standalone perhaps means that they will release the HTC branded BT GPS module
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Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
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At both devices HTC mentiones "Standalone GPS": P3600 aka Trinity AND P3300 aka Artemis... Sorry but this is the way it is... can't change it
English - the worlds most ambiguous language......
Either HTC's marketing department is completely useless or they wanted us to stir up this debate for a reason (time for another paranoid pill)
or
we are all just kidding ourselves
(probably the latter)
inevitably only time will tell
What about letiting it mean that unlike the Artemis that comes with stand alone gps and program installed, Trinity will have stand alone gps, but without the program. So that you can choose whichever provider you like
Cheer up guys!!
If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
From what I read earlier, the GPS is already inside the device but it has not been activated as it conflicts with the Quad-band GSM chip. However, it is said there there will be a ROM upgrade in the future that would finally make the GPS module usable once the conflicts have been fixed.
From the PDF file, I would think that it supports the reports above. Reason being, for both the Trinity and Artemis, they are noted to have standalone GPS and we know for sure that the Artemis already has it.
I guess the reaon for them putting the * and saying that it would be available shortly for the Trinity is likely due to the reports where they are working on fixing the problem and would release a ROM upgrade to enable it in the future.
What do you guys think?
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If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
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You might be right providing the GPS hardware is connected by software somehow.
The way I understand the situation is that the GPS unit is in the hardware, but not connected by software. Production of the hardware is running from mid october so the hardware won't change anymore.
The only way HTC can make the promised "standalone GPS available shortly", is by software update...
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What do you guys think?
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Agree....
Nice Trinity pics, even for those (like me) who do not understand Polish.
http://pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=11939
I guess you guys should check this this out; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279546 for clarification.
ah a beauty! white version triumphs big time over the black version...
if theres so much conflict abt the GPS issue in the Trinity why cant HTC rectify the problem then release the Trinity with GPS or discard the Quad-band GSM chip n use another chip!?!?!?
Thanks for the piscs, really nice the white one.
Hope we can enjoy the GPS on a next ROM upgrade. The time is more close...
Being involved into GPS business, I can say that "standalone GPS" would mean "standalone GPS mode" an opposite to AGPS, or even DGPS/RTK (though I doubt the latter). Read e.g. here:
The resulting AGPS system boosts performance beyond that of the same receiver in a stand-alone mode.
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If it was an external unit, I'm sure it would be called as such with additional "optional" remark.
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Is anybody using the GPS control panel without problems? Or had them resolved somehow?
The GPS Intermediate Driver is a new feature in Windows Mobile 5 that is supposed to allow multiple applications to use the GPS device (its serial port, to be correct).
Usually, the GPS control panel needs to be enabled by setting the Hide value in [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\GPS Settings] to 0. (In addition, it has been suggested to remove it altogether, and to add a DWORD value "Group" = 2.)
With the GPS control panel, the GPS Intermediate Driver can be enabled and public and private COM ports can be configured.
All these settings end up under [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver].
One reboot or soft-reset later, and this is supposed to work like a charm. (http://blogs.conchango.com/kenibarwick/archive/2006/03/19/3119.aspx).
Except that, with my TyTN and a Xaiox Super III Instant Fix, it doesn't.
The GPS works fine directly with the Nemerix test app or GPS Tuner, but using the Intermediate Driver, the Bluetooth connection is never initiated and no data is received.
No error message, whatsoever. Just silence.
Now I would like to know if anybody else had this issue and if and how they were able to resolve it.
The PocketPC SDK documentation lists registry values to configure GPSID logging (CurrentLogFile and OldLogFile), but to no avail. The files are not being written, which is not a surprise because the Bluetooth connection is never brought up.
The Xaiox InstantFix is a small cheap Bluetooth GPS mouse that has quite a remarkable sensitivity. It really does work indoors, (not in the basement though) and city/forest areas are not a problem at all.
My TyTN is fresh from repair and I hadn't need a reset in a week if it wasn't for this problem (and my frustration-compensating playing around with Wisbar Advance and the Vista theme, but that's another story).
Hi HB_TyTN,
I have the same problem. Using an HTC Universal, ROM 1.90.96 and Radio version 1.130.00.
wait, i thought the vario II doesnt' even have GPS on it?
chamelion said:
wait, i thought the vario II doesnt' even have GPS on it?
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Check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1028940&mode=linear&highlight=chip+sets#post1028940
and this continuation of same thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279151&page=5&highlight=chip+sets
Mike
hmm ok... so its a controversial topic. seems nobody has actually made use of the GPS funcionality, it just seems that there may be something in there that allows for GPS?
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hmm ok... so its a controversial topic. seems nobody has actually made use of the GPS funcionality, it just seems that there may be something in there that allows for GPS?
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You mean you didn't know about the MI5 FBI plot to track Hermes owners being as they're obviously radical with phones of mass destruction? Conspiarcy theory, tosh, that's just a seeded idea to convince us they don't know we spend 24hrs a day abusing our TyTns in the garden shed, developing a today screen plug in called Global Thermo Nuclear War Beta!
Mike
mikechannon said:
You mean you didn't know about the MI5 FBI plot to track Hermes owners being as they're obviously radical with phones of mass destruction? Conspiarcy theory, tosh, that's just a seeded idea to convince us they don't know we spend 24hrs a day abusing our TyTns in the garden shed, developing a today screen plug in called Global Thermo Nuclear War Beta!
Mike
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dude, when did the beta come out??
<scrambles into the garden shed to install the beta>
chamelion said:
dude, when did the beta come out??
<scrambles into the garden shed to install the beta>
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Watch out for mushroom cloud can cause minor irritation!
Mike
Hi everybody,
Today one of the Russian PDA forums was claiming Herald to have a built-in GPS (!!!) just like the one in Artemis. The only problem is that there's some contact needing to be soldered.
What do you think, is that possible?
Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
Please post more info
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Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.
Biom Defiler said:
Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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I see )))))
gpsd possibility ??
Please send a link so we can take a look at this and research the possibility of gps.
this would be great, anyone can post a link so that we can view it and practive our russian.
best regards
any new informations?
it's a nice fact, my vpa compact 4 will come in 3 days
Wheres the link
Still waiting for the link on that gps coverage ?????
The source of the rumor is here.
But there is nothing more than was said already. Just a pure claim (speculation?), without any detalis.
The initial source says that he had heard it from a person who is an official HTC representative. No more no less. Blueprints unavailable.
I heard fm a newsgroup said that, Herald using the same radio chips as Trinity, which has GPS capability.
But the problem is, Herald doesn't have built-in GPS antenna. That may be what "soldering" needed
Herald and Trinity have different RF modules. Don't confuse it with TyTN, pls.
I've dissassembled Herald - there's no anything inside about GPS
Well.. i think every HTC has an build in GPS because the Herald uses EDGE. that's an sort of GPS so maybe if you search the internet for an edge gps converter, it will show up something promesing. but if you guys want me to contact the HTC company and ask them if the phone has an GPS, i'd do that. a friend of mine works at HTC. i can contact him.
Sry about my rubbish english. it's early in the morning.
^What?! I... wha... I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.
Even if it has GPS, where do you think we can put the antenna? I think Artemis and Herald are same from hardwer point of view.
that cant be true. in trinity there was antena and cpu with integrated gps chipset. in hermes there was same cpu with same chipset but there was no way to install antena and project was quit.
in artemis there is same cpu as in herald but this cpu is in wizard to for example (and in some smartphone) and gps isn't integrated. in artemis this is a standalone chipset which i cant find on my heralds motherboard.. and.. even if that chip is somewhere on our mb's it will not work at all because of lack of antenna.
and between gps and gprs (edge) there are "huge" diffrence...
"edge gps converter"?
and this as a bonus for them who dont belive me that omap850 doesnt have gps implementation. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
sorry for my english :/
It was probably misread from here.
Such a large portfolio makes it difficult to differentiate individual models substantially. A quick look at the technical specifications will reveal many similarities with the HTC P3300 (Artemis) that we reviewed recently, although the devices look completely different. In short, take out the GPS module and the unique HTC RollR™ control, add a slider keyboard and voila: we can herald a new device.
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I have been interested in getting a PDA phone for a while but wanted to wait till I could get one with SatNav built in.
I went to the Orange shop and they said that the SPV M700 (aka HTC p3600) was the one for me, but when I went back for a second look another guy said it did not have GPS and I would have to buy a module etc....so he really put me off.
Now I learn that Orange has the GPS module working out of the box, so that you can install tomtom and it works!!
The question I have now is does the Trinity work well with Skype over a wireless and/or 3G network? As this is another consideration for me..
Thanks for being gentle
Hi....I have not had a lot of experiance with Skype --- but the Trinity does have a powerful processor that should hold up. Until the next generation of HTC devices come out.
As for GPS -- if it is a P3600 it should have GPS -- but it may not be ACTIVATED. That is easily resolved by upgraqding the ROM. I have TomTom 6 working on mine....the GPS receiver is not 100% accurate -- but good enough. The device is a small size and packs a lot in it.
Hope this helps you.
I have the m700, and it does have GPS. It is certainly not mentioned on the orange site, or on the box, and the first time you see it mentioned is in the instruction book
You don't need to activate it or upgrade the ROM. It is hidden, and there are no icons to press to know it is there, but all you do is set the sat-nav/gps software to look at 'com 9' and it gets data from the gps chip.
I use it with TomTom 6 and it is great. It even picks up satelites while in a building, which is not something my other units ever did.
I don't use skype, but if you download SJphone from www.sjlabs.com , then you can use the device for VOIP, and it works well over WiFi. And the software is free.
Thanks for the quick replies, they have given me confidence to go ahead with getting the M700, perhaps even tomorrow!!
You would think that SatNav/GPS is a feature to be advertised!
Anyway, the "Com 9" is a good tip, as I am sure it will save me a headache when trying out tomtom, thanks PaulusUK
hi all
is it true the shift's GPS is blocked ?
can someone confirm ?
if so, what can be done to use TOMTOM on it ?
please advise
Thanks
Not blocked, just not there.
that blows ....
i was about to order one...
oh well, i guess ill just stick to my advantage x7500...
thanks.
By the way I'm using TomTom on my universal but I'm not comfortable to use TOMTOM. I have to enter specific information to use search function, even doesn't have that much result even I paid.
and Tomtom can't navigate to extra number of address like 85-89156 ****HWY.
only can navigate 85 ****hwy. and I Think tomtom's brain doesn't work well when it calculate the root.
I Have navtech for my ipaq, that's works so great. On the shift, even I have to buy a external battery pack or maybe SSD to extend battery life, I'm going to use navigation by microsoft on Vista for best result. cuz I'm use navigation for my job!
If before u buy tomtom, u should buy other one...
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....
If the antenna is installed, that is....
I believe if you look at the exposed internal photos of the Shift on the FCC website, they clearly define a GPS antenna. I don't know that it means that it has GPS for sure but it points to that direction.
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http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....
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I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?
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I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?
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totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside
cmonex said:
totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside
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I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?
also had gps tools in the old test roms
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I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?
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the ARM9 processor is just for the radio.
the ARM11 is the applications processor, i.e. for running WM and apps.
it's not dualcore in the sense an intel core 2 duo is.
edit: sorry i see now you meant the whole MSM is not mentioned. well that's easy to explain why... the WM6 side is supposed to be just a sideshow, so why mention the hardware specs for it.
it also has its own RAM, etc. etc.
if you heard of the dualcor prototype, well the HTC shift is like that. two full devices in one!
Anyone noticed there is a GPS section on the FAQ part of the HTC Shift site?
http://www.htc.com/www/Faq_detail.aspx?p_id=60&act=faq&cat=266
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yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!
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yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!
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Well... Maybe they leave this GPS option open incase something cookes his own rom and then the GPS function is enabled.
HTC will then have the option to release a rom with GPS otherwise no one wants to use their original rom!
here some info.....http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,46fcc9e9-26e8-4c40-b262-58a5366cb587.aspx
so let's investigate.....
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expansys shows two versions of the shift, one with gps and one without. I think that htc is planning to release a gps version too, which will probably cost more too
I figured it couldn't hurt try a couple things after reading all the posts in this thread.
This what I tried so far.
I installed google maps for WM6
I copied over Telenav folder from my X7501
I copied the following files from the Windows directory on my X7501 to the Window dir. on my Shift.
TeleNavPlug.dll
GPSAux.dll.0409.mui
GPSAux.dll
After resetting I now have
Under Settings > system the External GPS appplication.
Telenav that starts up and seem to work but cannot find the GPS
Google maps tht works but cannot find the GPS.
I tried abunch of combinations of com port, access setting, etc in the External GPS application. I tried all the ones that worked on my X7501 and few other that didn't but no luck.
When I changed the access setting in the external GPS application it dose change the messages I am getting from google maps. Google maps seems to think there is GPS there but never gets any sat locks or times out trying to initialize the GPS (depends on the settings). I am using the shift in the same place my X7501 gets several sat locks.
Dose anyone else have any ideas I can try or know of any file I missed?
I know should probably wait for people smarter than I am to work on this but I figured I would give it a try...
Hi,
A great achievement by the members who made TMC with iGO8 possible. It works fantastic.
However, I think there is one handicap to get the best out of it.
If you while driving leave (temporarily) the signal area of the FM-broadcast-transmitter, it takes iGO8 often a very long time to find an alternative TMC broadcast/frequency.
I think this is caused by not supporting a facility of RDS that is called Alternative Frequencies (AF) + Programme Identity (PI) code.
This supports the FM-tuner in finding - and switching to - an alternative frequency in a split second even of the same broadcast.
That way Traffic Information gets really up to date and much more realiable to drive on. Especially, when you have to decide in a short period which route to take, every minute without TMC counts.
My questions
1.Has anyone an idea if my assumption is right
2.If so what can be done to improve this matter?
So maybe we can make TMC from good to perfect (literally on the Touch)
I am very curious to your reactions.
As this has nothing to do with the Blackstone itself, you are posting in the wrong section. Report this issues in the thread you have the driver from, so the people contributing will notify it .
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As this has nothing to do with the Blackstone itself, you are posting in the wrong section. Report this issues in the thread you have the driver from, so the people contributing will notify it .
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Hi,
I think the question is if the FM-tuner, that is part of the Blackstone product-delivery is capable of RDS + AF + PI-support.
And if not: if and how that could be implemented. According to the information of HTC the Touch with te same processors does support this.
If this post still should be relocated please let me know.