Hi guys. I'm sure this question's been asked many times before:
The non TV-out "problem", is it because of the lack of hardware, or software?
No one knows?
No, there is no TV out port on this device. Google "HTC Athena" and look at its picture to see how a TV-out look like.
Cheers.
Apparently it does but needs the appropriate Qualcomm driver to enable it. And HTC weren't prepared to licence it (along with video acceleration) - allegedly!
No, the Touch HD does NOT have HARDWARE support for TV-Out.
This has confirmed previously by HTC, quoted somewhere here on the forums.
TV-Out is not gonna happen for the Touch HD!
Ruudfood said:
Apparently it does but needs the appropriate Qualcomm driver to enable it. And HTC weren't prepared to licence it (along with video acceleration) - allegedly!
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They are two unrelated matters, I think. You don't need the driver to enable it. Athena does not have the driver, but has the TV out.
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I have read this http://htcclassaction.org/
If this is true???
It is true
there is no way to fix it with a cooked rom? or maybe with a cooked rom wm6.1??
I've just done a test with the Touch Dual against a Asus P526....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOS7tE3AZM
gears said:
I've just done a test with the Touch Dual against a Asus P526....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOS7tE3AZM
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really disappointed!
So this is the cause for choppy graphics when using things like PocketCM and S2U2?
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So this is the cause for choppy graphics when using things like PocketCM and S2U2?
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Yes
I really hope HTC does something about this.
Same.
It's a bit pathetic really.
I was just about to buy this device next week, but knowing this I'm nor that sure anymore. I really hope they fix it, and (from the looks of HTCClassAction) they will
Is this because of the graphics accelerator? I thought htc were going to make a fix?
Uh. Impressive. What the hell's wrong with HTC? Being the "biggest" is good enough, so they don't give a ****?
A partial reason for me to buy the dual instead of the original Touch was because I wanted optimal ****** performance, and then it turns out that we've been royally ****** probably because they want to save money?
I have a stupid question ... possible some guys have ask it in the Kaiser Related Threads ... have some guys look around for other device, they use Qualcomm Chipsets? Possible they works with HTC?
I Think Qualcomm is Evil too ...
NetrunnerAT said:
I have a stupid question ... possible some guys have ask it in the Kaiser Related Threads ... have some guys look around for other device, they use Qualcomm Chipsets? Possible they works with HTC?
I Think Qualcomm is Evil too ...
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it has nothing to do with qualcomm, phones from other manufacturers that use the same chipset work perfectly, the only problem here is HTC's collective laziness in writing a fully functioning driver
Midget_1990 said:
it has nothing to do with qualcomm, phones from other manufacturers that use the same chipset work perfectly, the only problem here is HTC's collective laziness in writing a fully functioning driver
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Yeah.. I think ASUS P525 uses qualcomm but it functions perfectly.
HTC has been getting away with this since the TyTN... so now they've been doing it on all of their succeeding devices.
Update on htclassaction.org:
Update January 20, 2008: One person reported HTC support telling him an update would be released within a week. Let's wait and see!
Update January 20, 2008 #2: Another report has come on from that HTC support has said an update will be released January 28, no further details.
Update January 20, 2008 #3: One HTC support employee has stated that he guarantees they are working on fix for the video issues. It is unclear if by video issues only video playback is meant or the complete video driver package.
Another thread on Kaiser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
NICE! Too bad I was unaware of all these problems when I got my Touch Dual :\ it really is slow!
I also astonished how slow my Touch Dual is. I cannot believe that it takes to open a over 50 seconds to open 56 kb Word document. My Loox 720 PDA can open the same document in around less than 2 seconds. It certainly is not due to lack of free memory.
Word mobile is a business essential, not a multimedia toything and it should be capable of opening small documents quickly. The Loox is running WM2003SE and uses Pocket Word in which format the document is 115 kb. Is Word 6.1 slower than Pocket Word?
According to The Boy Genius Report, HTC isn't terribly interested in fixing the issue. This is the first response that has had any hint of officialness about it and it's not encouraging in the least.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/22/htcs-official-response-to-drivergate-buzz-off/
Check it out:
HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers
Is this real? I know it is only a software/driver fix, but it is better than not...
rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.
Dishe said:
rumors, rumors and more rumors.
There are countless rumors for and against this claim. No one here knows for sure.
It looks to me like this thread will be yet another source of baseless rumors...
EDIT: Ah, that was supposed to be a link. Perhaps post the correct link to the article you are referring to, and we can discuss that. Right now, the link is http://HTC Says Software Fix is Coming For Lousy Video Drivers, which is obviously not a proper URL.
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Fixed... Here is the meat:
Some of our top engineers have investigated video performance on our devices and have discovered a fix that they claim will dramatically improve performance for common on-screen tasks like scrolling and the like. Their fix would help most of our recent touch-screen products including the Touch family of devices and TYTN II / Tilt, Mogul / XV6900. The update is in testing and we hope to release it soon. However this fix is not a new video driver to utilize hardware acceleration; it is a software optimization. Video drivers are a much more complicated issue that involves companies and engineers beyond HTC alone. We do not want to lead anyone to believe they should expect these. To explain why we are not releasing video acceleration instead of the optimization I offer you our official statement... "HTC DOES plan to offer software upgrades that will increase feature functionality, over the air wireless speeds and other enhancements for some of the phones being criticized, but we do not anticipate including any additional support for the video acceleration issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time. HTC will utilize hardware video acceleration like the ATI Imageon in many upcoming products. Our users have made it clear that they expect our products to offer an improved visual experience, and we have included this feedback into planning and development of future products. To address lingering questions about HTC's current MSM 7xxx devices, it is important to establish that a chipset like an MSM7xxx is a platform with a vast multitude of features that enable a wide range of devices with varied functionality. It is common that devices built on platforms like Qualcomm's will not enable every feature or function. In addition to making sure the required hardware is present, unlocking extended capabilities of chipsets like the MSM 7xxx requires in-depth and time consuming software development, complicated licensing negotiations, potential intellectual property negotiations, added licensing fees, and in the case of devices that are sold through operators, the desire of the operator to include the additional functionality. To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
I was at this conference. Take a look at what is inside the Mogul, Vogue, etc (aka Convergennce platform) chipset: (The second half talks about the graphics capabilities)
http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/events/brew_2005/t202_ligon_qualcomm.pdf
It is difficult to be angy at HTC, as just about every HW vendor does this: The retail channels and the manufacturers want product diversity, but Qualcomm can't design all that many chips (a full chip design is expenive), nor can they build a wide diversity of fab plants so they just disable parts or leave out drivers.
The question that no one can answer due to NDA's is who exactly is holding them back? I.e. it may be that Qualcomm didn't license the accelerator for this part from ATI or that HTC didn't license the rights to from Qualcomm.
Either way, a gdi/direct draw driver for the basics is not a massive undertaking. We aren't asking for DirectX 10 suport.
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To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
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Here is the thing.... when I looked at what specs were available to me when I bought my Mogul, they looked better than my Wing. I expected better video performance than a 2 year old phone. What they said sounds like back peddling.
Sounds to me like all they are going to do is a quick software optimization which they will call a video fix, when in reality, it has nothing to do with the video hardware inside the device.
They are just releasing this and calling it a "video fix" to get all the people like us who want full functionality to shut the .... up about it.
We has given up?
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We has given up?
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Most likely. One of those "believe it when you see it".
that pdf is such a teaser so my phone is as powerful as ps2 and i cant use it thats just messed up and you know all the hardware their cause its integrated.This sucks cause i never play games cause they always play horrible. htc is so responsible for the iphone gui blowing away any other phones.
I want to know if there is some way to connect my touch Hd on TV
Sadly the HD does not include hardware support for TV-Out so it's not possible.
you're not the first to ask here's a couple of links
http://www.htcforums.com/touch-blackstone-f32/out-t959.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491228
I found this also in the Raphael forum its interesting that some phones can do this perhaps its just a matter time
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417616
it absolutely hasn't if it has htc would say that what is the benefit from hiding it
benefit from hiding it ?
Look the improvements we got from XDA for TMC support.
Some guys made it for free for HTC.
Result :
- no time spent for HTC,
- no support,
- no warranty,
- no incompatibility problems...
- Faster time to market
- ...
Lots of benefits for HTC.
People are buying telephones with a known set of features.
The only loss for HTC we be to sell phones with extra hardware that would cost with no use.
But most of the time (aka TMC) chips contain a lot of features, it's just a question of time validation and also getting the certification / approval.
What if people complain that their HD TV has been damaged because they plugged their HD ?
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benefit from hiding it ?
Look the improvements we got from XDA for TMC support.
Some guys made it for free for HTC.
Result :
- no time spent for HTC,
- no support,
- no warranty,
- no incompatibility problems...
- Faster time to market
- ...
Lots of benefits for HTC.
People are buying telephones with a known set of features.
The only loss for HTC we be to sell phones with extra hardware that would cost with no use.
But most of the time (aka TMC) chips contain a lot of features, it's just a question of time validation and also getting the certification / approval.
What if people complain that their HD TV has been damaged because they plugged their HD ?
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good opinion may be you are right
Video out is something i would probably not use, but the topic is interesting. Read from the last post on page 11 of this thread (or read the whole thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=451634&page=11
As an aside, I'm not having a crack at anyone here, but I have seen this topic started a number of times and I know many claim that there is a hardware limitation with the arguement that if it could do it HTC would have advertised it. The blackstone really may not have this capability, but until someone cracks open their device to show the missing hardware then to claim this is simply just guessing (and as with most guesses, there is a chance you may be right). As foulke pointed out TMC support was not advertised or provided, but certainly was possible and now it appears there are other HTC devices out there that have the ability to have video out, but were not advertised as such (nor provided with the right software), yet it is apparently possible for these devices.
Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
Is there a chance that both features will be available later (after some patch)?
I believe that such modern chipset supports both. I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???
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I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???
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Well, AFAIK HTC does not license the complete chipset with all funtionality from qualcomm, because that would be too expensive. They just license functions. Anf if they don't license these capabilities, it wouldn't be surprising if certain (even older) HTC phones support a function, that other phones don't support.
I think that is the major point why some time ago some phones didn't support 3D acceleration and htcclassaction.org was launched.
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Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
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I hear this a lot, but nobody can also show a source where HTC announced that it would have this, just random speculation from a clueless forum user or two.
I don't believe it to be true, but am open to being proved wrong.
HTC never announced those both functions for the HD2, it was only rumours, spec leaks and a beta-tester's confirmation (for usb-host that is, while i think he misunderstood the point of usb-host..).
i played around in the registry earlier today and found a TV-out option, but also keys named rhodium, so it seems its all messed up
Hi
I am considering the Desire Z and was interested if one will be able to watch DVB-H TV on it. I know that the MSM7230 chipset supports it, but it does not appear anywhere in the DZ specs.
I am assuming that Qualcomm supports it, but HTC have not licensed this module? Could there be any custom ROMs in the future that might add the necessary drivers?
Bump !!!
This would be ******* awesome, in theory, if it's there, you can enable it, but, you will need a hack, and some kind of driver. Just guessing, because till now, nobody have hack nothing more than a FM Radio or a Bluetooth module, but, let the developers own one first, then, when 2 months have pass, we have root, CM 6 or 7, audio hack, OC, and some other super user tricks, then, just then, start thinking seriously about this topic.
Remember, first, we need root.
It is very unlikely anything like this happen. Yes, the chip maybe supports it - but without the supporting equipment on the board, without the antenna, it's useless. So you can stop thinking about it.
MSM7230 supports it and apart the surely missing antenna you don't even know if the required pins are soldered on the board.
IMHO this will never happen and it's obvious that I can be wrong, but I can say that I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying...
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It is very unlikely anything like this happen. Yes, the chip maybe supports it - but without the supporting equipment on the board, without the antenna, it's useless. So you can stop thinking about it.
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MSM7230 supports it and apart the surely missing antenna you don't even know if the required pins are soldered on the board.
IMHO this will never happen and it's obvious that I can be wrong, but I can say that I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying...
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Are you both sure that the antena is missing ? Because till we didn't know that by fact, we can't say that will never happen.
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Are you both sure that the antena is missing ? Because till we didn't know that by fact, we can't say that will never happen.
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An antenna would cost money to include, why include a part for a feature that isn't available? That would just be wasting money.
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Are you both sure that the antena is missing ? Because till we didn't know that by fact, we can't say that will never happen.
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If the support was there, why would HTC not advertise it in the product specs ?
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If the support was there, why would HTC not advertise it in the product specs ?
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For marketing reasons The next phone will use the same chipset, but will have "more features". As far as I remember P3600 owners one morning woke up with an in-built GPS that they never bought
I realize however that in this case we have likely both hardware & software limitations that might be hard to overcome.
Similar to the Diamond/Touch Pro case where the chipset supports hardware graphic acceleration (Qtv), but it was never licensed for these devices and the available drivers were pretty limited as far as I remember.