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is this true ??HTCClassAction.org

Hi
I have read this http://htcclassaction.org/
If this is true???

It is true

there is no way to fix it with a cooked rom? or maybe with a cooked rom wm6.1??

I've just done a test with the Touch Dual against a Asus P526....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOS7tE3AZM

gears said:
I've just done a test with the Touch Dual against a Asus P526....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHOS7tE3AZM
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really disappointed!

So this is the cause for choppy graphics when using things like PocketCM and S2U2?

mini_man said:
So this is the cause for choppy graphics when using things like PocketCM and S2U2?
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Yes
I really hope HTC does something about this.

Same.
It's a bit pathetic really.

I was just about to buy this device next week, but knowing this I'm nor that sure anymore. I really hope they fix it, and (from the looks of HTCClassAction) they will

Is this because of the graphics accelerator? I thought htc were going to make a fix?

Uh. Impressive. What the hell's wrong with HTC? Being the "biggest" is good enough, so they don't give a ****?
A partial reason for me to buy the dual instead of the original Touch was because I wanted optimal ****** performance, and then it turns out that we've been royally ****** probably because they want to save money?

I have a stupid question ... possible some guys have ask it in the Kaiser Related Threads ... have some guys look around for other device, they use Qualcomm Chipsets? Possible they works with HTC?
I Think Qualcomm is Evil too ...

NetrunnerAT said:
I have a stupid question ... possible some guys have ask it in the Kaiser Related Threads ... have some guys look around for other device, they use Qualcomm Chipsets? Possible they works with HTC?
I Think Qualcomm is Evil too ...
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it has nothing to do with qualcomm, phones from other manufacturers that use the same chipset work perfectly, the only problem here is HTC's collective laziness in writing a fully functioning driver

Midget_1990 said:
it has nothing to do with qualcomm, phones from other manufacturers that use the same chipset work perfectly, the only problem here is HTC's collective laziness in writing a fully functioning driver
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Yeah.. I think ASUS P525 uses qualcomm but it functions perfectly.
HTC has been getting away with this since the TyTN... so now they've been doing it on all of their succeeding devices.

Update on htclassaction.org:
Update January 20, 2008: One person reported HTC support telling him an update would be released within a week. Let's wait and see!
Update January 20, 2008 #2: Another report has come on from that HTC support has said an update will be released January 28, no further details.
Update January 20, 2008 #3: One HTC support employee has stated that he guarantees they are working on fix for the video issues. It is unclear if by video issues only video playback is meant or the complete video driver package.
Another thread on Kaiser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534

NICE! Too bad I was unaware of all these problems when I got my Touch Dual :\ it really is slow!

I also astonished how slow my Touch Dual is. I cannot believe that it takes to open a over 50 seconds to open 56 kb Word document. My Loox 720 PDA can open the same document in around less than 2 seconds. It certainly is not due to lack of free memory.
Word mobile is a business essential, not a multimedia toything and it should be capable of opening small documents quickly. The Loox is running WM2003SE and uses Pocket Word in which format the document is 115 kb. Is Word 6.1 slower than Pocket Word?

According to The Boy Genius Report, HTC isn't terribly interested in fixing the issue. This is the first response that has had any hint of officialness about it and it's not encouraging in the least.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/01/22/htcs-official-response-to-drivergate-buzz-off/

HD2: USB Host + TV Out

Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
Is there a chance that both features will be available later (after some patch)?
I believe that such modern chipset supports both. I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???

JirkaToksa said:
I can't understand why HD2 should be missing TV Out while older devices have it. HD2 is designed for multimedia, isn't it???
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Well, AFAIK HTC does not license the complete chipset with all funtionality from qualcomm, because that would be too expensive. They just license functions. Anf if they don't license these capabilities, it wouldn't be surprising if certain (even older) HTC phones support a function, that other phones don't support.
I think that is the major point why some time ago some phones didn't support 3D acceleration and htcclassaction.org was launched.

JirkaToksa said:
Originally the USB Host and TV Out was announced, but in latest official spec is missing.
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I hear this a lot, but nobody can also show a source where HTC announced that it would have this, just random speculation from a clueless forum user or two.
I don't believe it to be true, but am open to being proved wrong.

HTC never announced those both functions for the HD2, it was only rumours, spec leaks and a beta-tester's confirmation (for usb-host that is, while i think he misunderstood the point of usb-host..).

i played around in the registry earlier today and found a TV-out option, but also keys named rhodium, so it seems its all messed up

FM transmiter/reciver

It been reported thru several teardowns that the n1 has a fm transmiter/reciver inside. Is there anyway to to access this hardware (where would it be located /sys/device/ ect) would be nice to know if we can interface with this hardware.
nexusoneblog.com/blog/2010/1/6/nexus-one-dissected-reveals-80211n-wifi-and-fm-transmitter.htm

It would be awesome to actually have that funtionality. I've seen a few crappy flip phones with FM transmitters built in.

a google employee on this forum (swetland) said there is an fm transmitter/reciever, but google is not developing or working on an app for that yet, that's why they did not advertise it.

My nexus one is rooted and I have a console program just trying to figure out if this hardware would be listed in the /sys/devices/ area anywhere. Im new to android not sure of how the google api's work but would be intrested into trying to get a small app or script to run just to initalize the hardware and fool around with it. any ideas?

i know cliq users have a FM radio built in too, but they don't have an app to use it. see this here http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526775

transmitter / receiver
does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!

at314 said:
transmitter / receiver
does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!
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I think that means we can use N1 like a walkie talkie if the application is available.?

Nycro said:
My nexus one is rooted and I have a console program just trying to figure out if this hardware would be listed in the /sys/devices/ area anywhere. Im new to android not sure of how the google api's work but would be intrested into trying to get a small app or script to run just to initalize the hardware and fool around with it. any ideas?
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there should not be anything on the phone that you can find that mentions the existence of an fm reciever/transmitter... the phone has one but there is no functionality of it because there is no driver or app support for it... from what i have gathered getting the thing to work is going to be quit a project because the community would have to create a driver for the device as well as an application that calls on that driver as well as utilizes the capabilities of the chip itself... i dont know what experience you have with creating a driver to work for a complex piece of hardware that you have no idea how it works, its more/less going to be like blindly threading a needle unless google/htc would be so kind as to give one of our lovely coders some groundwork...
at314 said:
transmitter / receiver
does that mean it can transmit fm signals to car radio so we can listen to music?!
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potentially... if this thing gets coded to work, receiving signals will prolly be the easier thing to figure out first...

other HTC devices, such as the HTC Touch Pro2, have a built in FM receiver. HTC actually writes an app for this and I use it on my TP2, but I don't know if one exists for the N1. You can search xda-developers for the win-mo version for the TP2, but my point is, if they did it for winmo, they can do it for android!

darkfire23 said:
other HTC devices, such as the HTC Touch Pro2, have a built in FM receiver. HTC actually writes an app for this and I use it on my TP2, but I don't know if one exists for the N1. You can search xda-developers for the win-mo version for the TP2, but my point is, if they did it for winmo, they can do it for android!
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lol clearly you did not read get my point... "they" are not making anything, else they would have marketed it from the get go... it is up to the android community more specifically the nexus one community to come up with a driver that makes the chip functional... the chip in the other devices may be different as well, aka different driver needed...

What about htc tattoo? It has a fm receiver and an app...

The nexus one uses the broadcom BCM4329 Chipset. I need to find something to work with for this chip to even understand the funconatly of the chip itself I will look thru broadcoms site later see if they have any kind of driver or any information at all on this chipset. Reading other posts on other phones that had a similar chipset people were able to get the reciver on the chip activated but were unable to get the sound routed to the phone. They were able to however to get the the radio to tune to certain frequanceys and I think get the RDS information from the chipset. If anyone finds any relevant information post it here
Nycro

This tree was just added to the android source on the 12th of Jan looks to be mostley for the WLAN/Bluetooth features of the chipset
ttp://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/broadcom.git;a=summary

Have a look at.
codeaurora.org/gitweb/quic/la/?p=platform/packages/apps/FM.git;a=summary
Looks like an fm radio app for android using a qualcomm chip.

Im talking with the devolper of the driver for the wifi portion of the chip. At this time he is as well intrested in getting the Radio part of the chipset working but does not know much about it himself. Hopefully something will arise out of this conversation with him and maybe we will get a nice start to getting this portion of the chip working!
Im new with programing for android so I probley will need some help in the end lol.. allthough im pretty adaptive with c++ and some java im not no expert (Bacholers in network secuirty)

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lol clearly you did not read get my point... "they" are not making anything, else they would have marketed it from the get go... it is up to the android community more specifically the nexus one community to come up with a driver that makes the chip functional... the chip in the other devices may be different as well, aka different driver needed...
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Clearly, you didn't get my point. For the TP2, not only was the Radio app not marketed, it was also not made available by HTC, but is now available on this forum. Secondly, I didn't contest that Google is not going to develop a Radio app - I simply said that HTC HAS made one. Hopefully, that clears things up

I have been talking with the guy from broadcom tongiht i will quote some of what was said here. Im not sure if he wants to be know to the comunity or not.
He had included the link to a video I have seen on this fourm will link below.
"I'll let you know when I figure something out. What other HTC phone uses the 4329 chip with Android? I wasn't aware of one. The HTC HD2 WM6.5 phone uses 4329, but I don't know if FM is enabled on that either.
There is an Android FM radio app for the BCM4325 chip, I saw a YouTube video of it running on a BeagleBoard: ww.youtube.com/watch?v=v6wdTOHrwQw This is using an AzureWave module, which has the 4325 in it.
The FM RX portion on the 4329 should be the same or nearly the same. I believe the FM is conrolled by special commands in the BT HCI interface, so some Android framework/JNI work might have to be done to the BT stack."
Thanks to Mr H ^^
I will do more work on this tommorow and see how far I can get
Thanks for everyones intrest and help!

An FM APP to unlock the FM Radio functions of my Nexus is something that I am willing to pay for!!!!
Some of the senior developers here are aces so I will keep my fingers crossed.

I just want to express my interest in a FM radio for Nexus One.
I think people (including me) will be happy to pay for an app that enables the FM reciever on the phone.
Good luck to whoever is trying to get this to work!

As I am not a developer all I can do to help is surf the web to see what I can find.
I found this link tp://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM
That states the iPhone has the BCM4329 chip in it. Now I have not found an apple app nor do I know if this helps any of the aces out there.
So just take a look.

Fm transmitter

The galaxy s2 uses the broadcom BCM4330 chip which has an fm transmitter built into the chip. Does this mean it has an fm transmitter?
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4330
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I bloody hope so! I think this was similar with the Nexus One or the Desire but it was never used.
Perhaps one of the XDA devs will harbour something up when the source is released by Samsung.

Built in FM transmitter would be awesome, hope this is true.
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i was excited abut milestone having a chip that had fm transmitter. forget about transmitting it never even received an fm signal. form previous experience i am not very optimistic.

would be amazing if this was true

Andy2.2 said:
would be amazing if this was true
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It would, but I imagine they'd have communicated it if it was present. That's a pretty cool selling point.

awesome-member said:
i was excited abut milestone having a chip that had fm transmitter. forget about transmitting it never even received an fm signal. form previous experience i am not very optimistic.
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These chips have support for alot of features that the manufacturers dont utilise, unfortunately. since the S2 does have an fm reciever, hopefully it should just be a matter of tweaking it to transmit a signal? funny thing is the chip also supports Bluetooth 4.0, wonder if that means we'll be able to update to 4.0 once its officially released.
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It would, but I imagine they'd have communicated it if it was present. That's a pretty cool selling point.
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Then again they don't even advertise the fact it supports hdmi out which is a bigger selling point, for me anyway. Even the phone shop assistant who sold me the phone said it doesn't have hdmi out.
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no it will never get activated just like the previous versions of samsung omnia hd

It will maybe never get activated by samsung, but what can we do about this?
Is there an possibility to activate the transmitter and what do we need for doing that?
Maybe if we find a phone with activated transmitter (same chip) and software it would be possible (but i dont know an android phone whit this speccs).
This feature would be making this phone perfect for me (because i use it a lot on my old nokia n85) and i am not the only one who would like this.

yeah would be pritty good but dont think its gana happen ... :/

It depends on wiring of the hardware! If you have a chip which includes a transmitter than you have only one part of an working transmitter. The other part is a antenna connected to the chip and maybe an amplifier between them. If the "transmiter output" ins't connected to anything then there is no chance to use it...

HTC_Spree said:
It depends on wiring of the hardware! If you have a chip which includes a transmitter than you have only one part of an working transmitter. The other part is a antenna connected to the chip and maybe an amplifier between them. If the "transmiter output" ins't connected to anything then there is no chance to use it...
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I just have to ask... Can anyone confirm this? Or is there any news on this topic? It is very interesting for me!

Probably not connected by samsung. I recall the hardware is also capable of more than the supported signal bands, but samsung chose to not use that feature.

Ok guys, what's new about FM transmitter on our sgs2?
Please, can someone try to start developing something?

Our s2 is getting smarter and better day by day
Send from my Samsung Galaxy S II

a chip being capable of and the whole parts doing the stuff are 2 different things.
In the broadcomm's datasheet there are all the things that the chip is capable of doing it.
But, let put it this way: The chip is capable to use 3g network but in order to do it you need a 3g radio part in it.
The same with the fm transmitter. In order to use that feature you need a real fm transmitter in the phone, a radio transmitter, a piece, a device, a part, you get the point.
And i am afraid that our good old SGSII does not have a fm transmitter in it.

Wow nice to hear that chip has integrated built in fm transmitter.. Would love if anyone develops something to utilise that..
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virani_joush said:
Wow nice to hear that chip has integrated built in fm transmitter.. Would love if anyone develops something to utilise that..
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Would love if anyone would read the post above it.

NFC support

This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone know of a custom ROM that does, or possibly will in the future, support NFC?

What so need of that crap?
NFC technology is just like infrared. Beside getting faster connection, it does not have that much advantage.

ashishwebmail said:
NFC technology is just like infrared. Beside getting faster connection, it does not have that much advantage.
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Android Pay for a start.

I highly doubt that a custom ROM would ever support NFC on the G4 Play - as far as I'm aware of doesn't have the hardware to support it in the first place.
I suppose if someone did a hardware mod like attaching an NFC chip and antenna to the battery cover and hooked it up through the USB port, but that's all I could come up with.

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I highly doubt that a custom ROM would ever support NFC on the G4 Play - as far as I'm aware of doesn't have the hardware to support it in the first place.
I suppose if someone did a hardware mod like attaching an NFC chip and antenna to the battery cover and hooked it up through the USB port, but that's all I could come up with.
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The G4 Play does have NFC... At least, mine does

Right, so I guess not all models have it... I've got an unlocked XT1607 (2GB/16GB, US) and it doesn't have it.
Found a bit more info - I guess some of the non-US versions might have it (the XT1604 comes up), but I haven't seen it at all in the one that I've got here.
That's what I get for assuming they all didn't have one since most of the hardware specs seem to be shared otherwise...

Its a little odd, really, some having it but others not. I had presumed the only differences between them were storage capacity since that's a common theme among manufacturers and their device variants.

MrNudge said:
Its a little odd, really, some having it but others not. I had presumed the only differences between them were storage capacity since that's a common theme among manufacturers and their device variants.
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from my understanding US doesn't have NFC, all others do. I found out when I bought mine. Sales person assured me it had NFC. Of course I went to set it up in the store and it wasn't there. Wasn't a dealbreaker for me but it would have been nice to have.

Yes, some version of G4 Play has NFC. For example my XT1604 is 16GB storage, 1 GB RAM and NFC inside. It is model for EU region.