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Read this link. Read it carefully. It's not just about Google being able to run whatever code they like on your devices, it's about Google DOING it, remotely, without any user intervention/confirmation.
What's next ? Let me throw some wild and far fetched guesses...
* Applanet like apps being killed off on the devices to fight piracy...
* Anything not from the market being wiped out from time to time, for the same reason...
* Users are hunted down and being prosecuted for piracy based on their devices content...
* The system is rigged/updated to block inappropriate content, such as pedophile sites...
* Users are being prosecuted for possessing and/or visiting inappropriate content/providers...
* The "inappropriate" extends to warez sites and regular porn sites, "bad" users are still prosecuted...
* The "inappropriate" extend to the "wrong" political sites, "bad" users are still prosecuted...
* .......
I bet you get the idea. And yea, i know i am taking it too far, but still
PS: Let me add something... the builds we are running on our HD2 are often partially illegal (gaps) etc... hint hint
maybe a little paranoid, ok, well maybe a lot
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* The system is rigged/updated to block inappropriate content, such as pedophile sites...
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not sure why you mentioned this, anyone in their right mind would welcome this particular point.
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maybe a little paranoid, ok, well maybe a lot
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A lot, exaggerated to the max, of course. But that doesn't turn what Google does right.
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not sure why you mentioned this, anyone in their right mind would welcome this particular point.
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Thats EXACTLY why i mentioned it.
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A lot, exaggerated to the max, of course. But that doesn't turn what Google does right.
Thats EXACTLY why i mentioned it.
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personally, i think google already knows tooooo much about its users, but in the case of malware, google is definitely the lesser of the 2 evils
let me ask you this, would you rather the big G have some remote access to your device or hackers collecting your personal info. Its the connected world, there's no turning back!!!
only real solution for anyone worried about companies interfering with their device... remove the sim card... for ever.
gnight & dont have nightmares
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would you rather the big G have some remote access to your device or hackers collecting your personal info.
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Guess what... neither of those
Also, there are terrorists under the bed,chemtrails in the sky, bromine in the water,drug dealers at the school gates, drunks on fones in cars, bondage freaks at work,human traffickers, religious zealots bent coppers paedo nursery workers racists fanatics and plain clothes Google operatives spreading FUD in forums cos its cheaper and gets more results than million pound lawsuits. Oh and bloody clowns.
Just a random outpouring,please continue.
Infx may sound paranoid, and no person of any kind of moral decency would condone anbody using pedophelia porn or any other form of content that causes any kind of harm to anyone. But those are matters for the authorities to deal with, not google. If the internet's morality policies were enforced by a huge internet based company, wouldn't that be considered some kind of a conflict of interests somehow? I mean imagine if Disney were the biggest internet company, we'd never see so much as a single cuss-word or titty. Big companies shouldn't be able to impose their own commercialized morals upon users, the internet will inevitably grow more and more watered down. I don't consider myself a paranoid person, but this type of issue stinks of denial of 1st amendment rights, one step closer to completely government/corporate filtered news-tainment, and corporate control of the masses.
Huggs, i totally agree, thata why i posted this, not because i am actualluly that paranoid (would i still use Internet if i was ?). What i tried to do in my post is to demonstrate a worst case scenario, how would google start with somethimg that should be totally accepted by everyone (fighting pedophily) yet slowly move to fighting things we no longer want it to fight (political opinions).
PS: This little remote control thing is the first step for a corporate giant to become a corporate government, a corporate dictator. And the onlu things corporations care for is money, not their users.
PPS: Just my personal opinion, feel free to disagree.
I like that idea: http://code.google.com/p/open-android-alliance/
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Guess what... neither of those
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you really dont have a great deal of options
android, rim, ios & wp7 all have the ability to "spy" on their users to some degree,
mostly its just basic info such as: gps location, installed apps & how often they're used, crash logs, etc
some apps on ios have been caught out sending even more personal data. The point is, whilst i dont disagree fully with your concerns, i do see your post as somewhat hysterical.
There was no suggestion in the article you linked (or any other that ive read) that google is planning any of things you mentioned, so why mention them, as doing so only makes you a part of the current media trend of FUD as samsamuel put it.
this isnt about deny that all companies are in it 1st for the £$€, then customer welfare further down the list, im talking about being realistic. at this moment in time i cannot see google taking the path that you suggested, i also have far more immediate and real life things to focus on.
im all for a good conspiracy theory, fema detention camps springing up all over the usa (REX 84), the western so called "powers" planting the seeds of unrest in africa & the middle east so they can insert more puppets to secure natural resources (be it oil, gold, diamonds...), i could go on, but this isnt the place.
so let bring it back to google, you are in denial if you think cyber crime isnt going on, and with the rise of the smartphones we will see a rise of cyber crims trying to gain access. so i ask again who would you rather have access to your device?
if you still think or say neither, il know for sure you have lost the plot or you have taken my advice & binned your sim card cause thats the only other option you have.
@huggs, normally your post are quite informative & rational, that last post wasnt imho
no one was talking about censorship, the 1 point about google blocking access to child porn is something i would vote for, this has nothing to do with internet policing, you say thats down to the authorities, but they are not all seeing (no yet anyway) hence the use of informants by law enforcement the world wide, n thats all i would support. yes its possible that you give them a small mandate they will take it further but il worry about that IF the signs arise.
ppl who get there kick this way should have no rights, & should be actively hunted by whatever methods are available & taken out of the general population.
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Man i would love to have such a care free life that i need to start imagining then stressing about what may or may not happen, but i dont, my concerns are here & now, What you are talking about ISNT.
sorry for the lengthy post but your suggestions/posts are a subtle form of propaganda and a 1 line response really wouldn't cut it.
all the best
Kam
I say if we are doing something wrong and get caught that's our own fault.
How is it illegal? Isn't android open license ie freeware?
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@kam333, i may be way less paranoid than you may think, mind the fact i've posted this as a VERY far-fetched and unrealistic speculation that only got slim to nil chance of actually happening, but it does demonstrate a possibility of undoubtedly good things becoming a base to slowly advance into nasty control-it-all direction. And, yea, your suggestion about binning the SIM card won't work. I still got WiFi
@dung8604, search the net about why Cyanogen mod no longer includes Google apps.
Well, I'm running a cooked rom without a Google account set up. So I can cross that off of the paranoid list.
I can't say I'm surprised by anything written in the article.
Did a quick search and from what i can tell, only Google apps are proprietary. Nothing about the OS itself though
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After doing some IT work for several police stations in the state I decided there may be a need for an app that would protect honest citizens from the very few and far inbetween bad apple cops out there. Don't get me wrong the mass majority of the officers I talked with and worked with were really good guys but on more than a few occasions I overheard a few bad apple bragging about how they busted people for crazy stuff that got them a night in jail and a court date knowing the charges would be thrown out but by that point the innocent person had lost quite a but of their time, some money for fees, and forgret about the headaches. Most times this took place it was it was either "that office prick said the wrong thing to me on the wrong day"and one time a guy said "that ***** was too hot not to pull over, then she thinks she can talk shut to me? Ha! Who is getting their xxxx all poked and prodded now in the holding tank? " . So again these were rare cases but sure to the blue brotherhood even the good guys just laughed or ignored these actions. So here we are, my idea.
A script that could be activated very easily with a press of a button our two. This allows you the ability to activate before ths officer gets to your window after
Pulling you over.
upon activation start video recording so you can capture the whole incident on film. Send a text to a preset number saying I've been pulled and include the hours location and black out the screen as to not draw attention.
so are there any other suggestions that this script could include? I'm thinking maybe having the video auto send to an email account since the phone would be confiscated if you were booked. Maybe even have the phone reduce power usage so out could record while the cops were processing you and maybe you could get some interesting discussion while your
not with the phone. If you get really lucky and someone says something about your arrest thinking your in the cell and there its no way you would hear it could not be used I a legal defense but maybe it could be used to get some relief when you send a copy to the arresting person and include a note explaining this will be sent to all major media sources and his chief?
If anyone has any ideas on what to include here that is what I'm looking for. Development will be started after we get a solid requirements document together. Now in just asking members for some brainstorming. No idea is too silly and all posts are welcomed as long as they are intended to add value to this small effort project. If you want to flame me our other posters do out via PM. Lets keep the focus on productivity and let the trools do a they do elsewhere. Sorry, the PMP comes out of me sometimes.
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Graphics: numero
pm & code: tageeboy
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Wow. Just wow. So this is like sort of an application that records video AND sound at the same time? They should really invent something like this. The crooked cops would think twice before er... crooking.
I offer my graphics skills to any programmer that starts developing this and needs graphics for a button our two.
Great idea OP!
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Wow. Just wow. So this is like sort of an application that records video AND sound at the same time? They should really invent something like this. The crooked cops would think twice before er... crooking.
I offer my graphics skills to any programmer that starts developing this and needs graphics for a button our two.
Great idea OP!
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Your graphics skills would be MOST WELCOMED since I still do most of my stuff so it looks like a kid with crayons lol. Thanks for the offer and I will be sure to add you to a list of contributors. It may be a little while before we are able to focus on the graphics but when
We are there I will be reaching out to you for sure.
Thanks in advance
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Hello community,
I have started a petition against AT&T regarding their practices against the deaf community and could really use your help and support. I have already obtained just over 2000 signatures but need a lot more. Please take a moment to read and help out, it is greatly appreciated. Don't forget to pass it along... Thanks! :thumbup:
http://www.change.org/petitions/at-...ium=email&utm_campaign=signature_goal_reached
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Signed and shared.
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Signed. HTH
ATT fails with their shenanigans almost as much as apple. So it does not really surprise me. I signed it because we are all equal.
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ATT fails with their shenanigans almost as much as apple. So it does not really surprise me. I signed it because we are all equal.
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Could not agree more.. Big thanks to all who have taken the time to sign.
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Sounds like this needs some publicity...
Have you contacted the Aclu?
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Sounds like this needs some publicity...
Have you contacted the Aclu?
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I have not... I am working with a campaigner at change.org trying to get this thing to take off. Aclu is a good idea, I'll give it a shot today. Thanks for the input. :thumbup:
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Just an update.. I have almost 2500 signatures, also advocacy groups are threatening to file a complaint with the FCC and the FCC has responded saying they would take action if necessary. Thanks to all who have viewed this and signed the petition.
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Where it says "In emergency situations where texting isn't an option or there's no Wifi available, mobile FaceTime could be a lifesaver." In what situation can you not text but you can use your data connection to facetime? and you're deaf so you have to use hand signals right? So you may encounter a situation where you cannot text, but you can sign over facetime? That doesn't even make sense.
You basically want to legally force a company to alter their pricing because you feel that with a physical disadvantage you cannot utilize every aspect of their service?
I don't know about that one, unless I am missing something here. They are not discriminating against anyone per this, because you could just as easily say that every cable company is discriminating against blind people by not offering audio only TV shows...
What am I missing? How is AT&T discriminating?
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Where it says "In emergency situations where texting isn't an option or there's no Wifi available, mobile FaceTime could be a lifesaver." In what situation can you not text but you can use your data connection to facetime? and you're deaf so you have to use hand signals right? So you may encounter a situation where you cannot text, but you can sign over facetime? That doesn't even make sense.
You basically want to legally force a company to alter their pricing because you feel that with a physical disadvantage you cannot utilize every aspect of their service?
I don't know about that one, unless I am missing something here. They are not discriminating against anyone per this, because you could just as easily say that every cable company is discriminating against blind people by not offering audio only TV shows...
What am I missing? How is AT&T discriminating?
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Grouchy.
I signed it because I have friends who are deaf and anything I can do to help them is good and also I hate AT&T.
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Grouchy.
I signed it because I have friends who are deaf and anything I can do to help them is good and also I hate AT&T.
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lol what's up Mr O!
I personally don't care one way or the other, I think maybe I am just missing something.
I don't like ATT at all either, which is why I use T-Mobile. Maybe someone can explain where the discrimination is here so we're all clear. I just don't like the idea of forcing companies to adjust their pricing, like if I had a company I should be able to charge what I want and if it's too much people just won't buy from me...
Eespecially when there are many other phone choices and many other carrier choices (you could use an Android device with an FFC on T-Mobile for instance)
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Where it says "In emergency situations where texting isn't an option or there's no Wifi available, mobile FaceTime could be a lifesaver." In what situation can you not text but you can use your data connection to facetime? and you're deaf so you have to use hand signals right? So you may encounter a situation where you cannot text, but you can sign over facetime? That doesn't even make sense.
You basically want to legally force a company to alter their pricing because you feel that with a physical disadvantage you cannot utilize every aspect of their service?
I don't know about that one, unless I am missing something here. They are not discriminating against anyone per this, because you could just as easily say that every cable company is discriminating against blind people by not offering audio only TV shows...
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Hello orangekid,
To put it simply, yes they should alter pricing. Are you okay with paying for things you can't use?
By AT&T not allowing a deaf user face time access through their TAP plan (text accessibility program) but forcing them to buy a voice plan, wouldn't you agree this is a form of discrimination? Your comparison regarding blind people is a moot point... no one is forcing blind people to buy tv service they would most likely not use. AT&T however, tells their customers in order to use a service of ours (which deaf people can fully utilize) they have to pay for something they can never use, voice minutes. I take it you did not take the time to read the comments in the petition? At this point I have 2404 people who feel AT&T is discriminating, a lot of them are members of the deaf community. If your sole purpose was to just come here and try to ruffle some feathers, please refrain from doing so. If you don't agree or don't want to sign the petition, don't post. I'm not trying to be a jerk I just posted here for people who would like to support this cause. Thank you.
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Signed good luck !
Signed.
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Hello orangekid,
To put it simply, yes they should alter pricing. Are you okay with paying for things you can't use?
By AT&T not allowing a deaf user face time access through their TAP plan (text accessibility program) but forcing them to buy a voice plan, wouldn't you agree this is a form of discrimination? Your comparison regarding blind people is a moot point... no one is forcing blind people to buy tv service they would most likely not use. AT&T however, tells their customers in order to use a service of ours (which deaf people can fully utilize) they have to pay for something they can never use, voice minutes. I take it you did not take the time to read the comments in the petition? At this point I have 2404 people who feel AT&T is discriminating, a lot of them are members of the deaf community. If your sole purpose was to just come here and try to ruffle some feathers, please refrain from doing so. If you don't agree or don't want to sign the petition, don't post. I'm not trying to be a jerk I just posted here for people who would like to support this cause. Thank you.
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I am just trying to understand what you are actually against. I did read some of the comments, and it's not really that hard to get 2,000 signatures for ANY cause. Like I stated already, I may just have something confused here. You can choose to buy AT&T or not right? I mean why not get Sprint or Verizon or T-Mobile with an Android phone, why is FaceTime such a requirement?
Besides, isn't there a data only plan you can get on AT&T, like for people with iPads?
I'm being 100% honest when I say I'm not trying to "ruffle some feathers" I just don't see specifically what the discrimination is.
If your take is "if you can't see what the obvious discrimination is then I won't waste my time explaining it to you" or "I still think you're just trying to get under my skin and really do see discrimination but are only pretending not to" then it is what it is, but that's not my intention.
Maybe I just don't fully understand what your service is and why it can only be used on an iPhone or on AT&T.
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I am just trying to understand what you are actually against. I did read some of the comments, and it's not really that hard to get 2,000 signatures for ANY cause. Like I stated already, I may just have something confused here. You can choose to buy AT&T or not right? I mean why not get Sprint or Verizon or T-Mobile with an Android phone, why is FaceTime such a requirement?
Besides, isn't there a data only plan you can get on AT&T, like for people with iPads?
I'm being 100% honest when I say I'm not trying to "ruffle some feathers" I just don't see specifically what the discrimination is.
If your take is "if you can't see what the obvious discrimination is then I won't waste my time explaining it to you" or "I still think you're just trying to get under my skin and really do see discrimination but are only pretending not to" then it is what it is, but that's not my intention.
Maybe I just don't fully understand what your service is and why it can only be used on an iPhone or on AT&T.
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Hello again Orangekid,
All you are doing is answering your own questions. You know why I am doing this, but continue to press the issue. I am petitioning AT&T to stop discriminating deaf people by charging them for something they can't use. (Voice minutes)
It's nice to have choices right? If AT&T works the best for some users, they should be able to use it without restrictions or additional charges for something unusable. If you can't seem to understand this cause, I encourage you to Google it so you can find the answer you are looking for. There are plenty of articles you may read regarding this topic. I have read many.
You obviously are not finding your answer here since you did not read my last post which states; if you don't support this or don't want to sign, simply don't post... by posting what you did.. "If your take is "if you can't see what the obvious discrimination is then I won't waste my time explaining it to you" or "I still think you're just trying to get under my skin and really do see discrimination but are only pretending not to" then it is what it is, but that's not my intention." It is your intention, otherwise you would not have posted. Thank you.
Also thanks again to all who have signed so far.
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Hello again Orangekid,
All you are doing is answering your own questions. You know why I am doing this, but continue to press the issue. I am petitioning AT&T to stop discriminating deaf people by charging them for something they can't use. (Voice minutes)
It's nice to have choices right? If AT&T works the best for some users, they should be able to use it without restrictions or additional charges for something unusable. If you can't seem to understand this cause, I encourage you to Google it so you can find the answer you are looking for. There are plenty of articles you may read regarding this topic. I have read many.
You obviously are not finding your answer here since you did not read my last post which states; if you don't support this or don't want to sign, simply don't post... by posting what you did.. "If your take is "if you can't see what the obvious discrimination is then I won't waste my time explaining it to you" or "I still think you're just trying to get under my skin and really do see discrimination but are only pretending not to" then it is what it is, but that's not my intention." It is your intention, otherwise you would not have posted. Thank you.
Also thanks again to all who have signed so far.
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You're obviously not understanding what I am saying, that's fine I guess I can't expect everyone to. I haven't answered any of my questions, nor have you; repeating the same mission statement over and over does not an answer make. You factually utterly ignored my question on how you could possibly find yourself in an emergency situation where you cannot text, but you can use your hands to activate FaceTime and use that instead (an example showing how it is indeed discrimination).
If this petition doesn't work out I suggest you switch to Android or another carrier, you might also have better luck avoiding an ETF by bringing up this topic as opposed trying to change their entire pricing system, which seems to be making them money.
I will stop posting in this thread since I won't be getting any of my questions answered here anyways.
Good luck with your endeavors
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You're obviously not understanding what I am saying, that's fine I guess I can't expect everyone to. I haven't answered any of my questions, nor have you; repeating the same mission statement over and over does not an answer make. You factually utterly ignored my question on how you could possibly find yourself in an emergency situation where you cannot text, but you can use your hands to activate FaceTime and use that instead (an example showing how it is indeed discrimination).
If this petition doesn't work out I suggest you switch to Android or another carrier, you might also have better luck avoiding an ETF by bringing up this topic as opposed trying to change their entire pricing system, which seems to be making them money.
I will stop posting in this thread since I won't be getting any of my questions answered here anyways.
Good luck with your endeavors
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To satisfy your insatiable thirst to find an answer you can't find here... Texting uses cellular minutes. FaceTime uses data. In an emergency, take an earthquake for example (there was a decent one not to long ago here in California) cellular lines were so jammed with people making calls to friends and family I was unable to make any calls nor send any texts. Data however was unaffected.
Now a hearing person could easily open the app and contact through FaceTime since most likely they have a voice plan. Why would or should a deaf person pay for voice minutes just to use this service? When they are the ones who would benefit the most from it. I have made this point in my last few posts which you have obviously ignored. Are there other options? of course there are but as I stated in my last post, which again you ignored. If AT&T and FaceTime work the best for some they should have access to all services without paying for something unusable..
I have answered your questions in the best capacity I can. You however do not want an answer You obviously just want to make a point. You are right and I am wrong. How's that working out for you? Just remember you started this, I kindly asked if you don't agree or don't want to sign please don't post. Something you have ignored again. I see a trend here.
My suggestion to you is to imagine yourself as a deaf person. Take away the ability to just pick-up a phone and call your family or friends. Take away the ability to just turn on the TV, walk away from it and still know what is going on. Try going to see a movie in the theater. Try turning on the radio, or listening to music. How bout a concert? Simple things us hearing individuals take for granted. You think it's hard finding work for a hearing person in this country, try finding one as a deaf individual. I understand this because I have seen and lived with it for 32 years, people do not choose to be deaf; why should they be charged for a service they can not use? If you really think that by coming in here and playing dumb; looking for an answer but not wanting to hear my response will sway my decision or make me rethink my stance, you sir (or ma'am) are wrong. I stand by this petition. Have a nice day.
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To satisfy your insatiable thirst to find an answer you can't find here... Texting uses cellular minutes. FaceTime uses data. In an emergency, take an earthquake for example (there was a decent one not to long ago here in California) cellular lines were so jammed with people making calls to friends and family I was unable to make any calls nor send any texts. Data however was unaffected.
Now a hearing person could easily open the app and contact through FaceTime since most likely they have a voice plan. Why would or should a deaf person pay for voice minutes just to use this service? When they are the ones who would benefit the most from it. I have made this point in my last few posts which you have obviously ignored. Are there other options? of course there are but as I stated in my last post, which again you ignored. If AT&T and FaceTime work the best for some they should have access to all services without paying for something unusable..
I have answered your questions in the best capacity I can. You however do not want an answer You obviously just want to make a point. You are right and I am wrong. How's that working out for you? Just remember you started this, I kindly asked if you don't agree or don't want to sign please don't post. Something you have ignored again. I see a trend here.
My suggestion to you is to imagine yourself as a deaf person. Take away the ability to just pick-up a phone and call your family or friends. Take away the ability to just turn on the TV, walk away from it and still know what is going on. Try going to see a movie in the theater. Try turning on the radio, or listening to music. How bout a concert? Simple things us hearing individuals take for granted. You think it's hard finding work for a hearing person in this country, try finding one as a deaf individual. I understand this because I have seen and lived with it for 32 years, people do not choose to be deaf; why should they be charged for a service they can not use? If you really think that by coming in here and playing dumb; looking for an answer but not wanting to hear my response will sway my decision or make me rethink my stance, you sir (or ma'am) are wrong. I stand by this petition. Have a nice day.
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It's not so much a matter of convenience as sign language is another language and their native language. If you asked someone from Mexico who just got done taking English classes if they would rather speak to everyone in English or Spanish they would say Spanish because they are fluent in it. Basically the point about deaf people is some don't do English very well to begin with but sign fluently. They can get confused by English grammar and it's very hard to understand when they do something like a text message, but they understand a video of a sign language sentence much better. Also, when they make bibles for deaf people, it is a video of a person signing the scriptures, not a written text. Why? Some deaf people do as well with English as I do with Spanish.
That's one reason. I hope I didn't offend anyone with this post but I was just making a point for Orangekid. If I did I do apologize as it was not intentional.
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you sir (or ma'am) are wrong.
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Sorry that's a little confusing.
I wasn't trying to make a point, I really was curious. Your explanation on the data/texting thing was a good one, was that so hard? I'm sorry you're taking this so personally. Despite our exchanges I have tried to stay polite, and assert that I wasn't trying to argue or just be difficult but really was trying to grasp what the issue truly was.
The fact that you blatantly refuse to believe this and have hard bent on attempting to create a scare-crow argument and attacking that as if this were a debate and not a mere request for clarification on the matter, as if repeatedly stating your arbitrary opinion of my purposes makes it true, shows me that you are indeed taking my efforts to merely truly understand the position as a personal attack on said position. I'm sorry but you seem to be arguing with someone else and putting their face on my words. Let me be as clear as I possibly can so we can settle the matter once and for all.
1) I did no understand if the petition was to change AT&T's normal pricing policy or if there was a special pricing plan that included features you didn't want that you wanted changed.
2) I did not understand why a deaf person would HAVE to use an iPhone and HAVE to use FaceTime and HAVE to use AT&T, and I wondered if a similar petition existed for the other "big 3" with their pricing and packages. This led me to believe that I must misunderstand the entire petition.
3) I am not implying that your purposes are malevolent, communistic, naive, or anything other than what you state, I am merely seek to fully understand them.
Keep in mind you posted a thread in a public forum urging people to share your views and sign your petition. When you do such, you open yourself to queries about the thread and you cannot "kick out" anyone who merely asks a question about it. if I were offering a counter-position, which I stopped after the first post because I began to doubt exactly what that position was, I would still have a right to post it here. I can see how my first post here can be taken that way, but as I said I then wondered if I completely mistook the entire position.
I don't have a problem with you, this thread, this petition, deaf people, or any other demographic. I'm sorry this blew up out of proportion and I'm sorry you mistook me and that you are taking things so personally.
No matter how many times and in what ways you state that my motives are to "prove a point" or stir trouble as it were, it is untrue. I wished only to give further stage to this matter and to clarify it.
Hello,
I'm not sure if this is the best place for this post, but it's the smartest, and largest android based community I know
I wanted to know where would be the best place for me to look for a hardware engineer. The caveat would be I need to find someone willing to talk a bit first before actually being paid. I need the help of one so I can make a more sound mock-up of what I'm doing and planning prices before talking to the VCs I have contacts for. That said, I COULD always find a way to basically hire a hardware engineer for consulting but I would really want to find a hardware engineer somewhat as passionate as I am about quality and creativity forward thinking. I already have a few software teams in mind to ask but will only do so once I have the funding.
So my question to you at XDA, where would I go about doing this? I should also mention the engineer I would look for would need to know about mobile phones. The thing is, I CAN start prototyping and the funding process using generic insides from a chinese phone BUT the end goal for me is custom hardware with the utmost care and quality put into it. So I would basically be lying to VCs (which let's be honest, everyone does) but then I would be delayed in having a hardware engineer still, and I'd rather have as much time to get the ball rolling as possible. Hell even if the hardware engineer could give advice on the future and pricing but says going with chinese insides until the money comes in would work.
I just have no idea where to find one, craigslist, ask around from friends, post at a certain website? Luckily what I will be doing for the next year shouldn't take the engineer more than a couple hours a week if even. So for quite a few months it should be pretty low key for them if they wanted to keep doing whatever job they were doing until I could afford to hire them full time. In about 6 months I want to start the prototyping to have early look units available for reviewers by November/December of this year.
Thank you for taking the time to read and help! If anyone is curious without saying too much I am looking towards making a pure android ubuntu edge quality phone, but most likely higher quality. The end goal is to use the main funding to make a phone directly aimed at the wants of you guys at XDA, but that's at least a year or so away sadly, and first things first.
iytrix said:
Hello,I'm not sure if this is the best place for this post, but it's the smartest, and largest android based community I know I wanted to know where would be the best place for me to look for a hardware engineer. The caveat would be I need to find someone willing to talk a bit first before actually being paid.
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You're in San Jose!! They grow on trees there! Just get some kid on the street and half their family will be HW engineers.
Anyway, this is the right place, but you are basically saying that they should "talk" to you, for free, for a while. So I doubt anyone would come forward. At least that's my experience in reading and seeing similar posts here in the last 2 years. Why would someone with the know how, risk spending months talking HW details, just to find him/herself abandoned?
You're project seem very noble and tasty, but we have to repackage it with some better incentives.
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You're in San Jose!! They grow on trees there! Just get some kid on the street and half their family will be HW engineers..
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Hahahaha! So true! I remember when I first was looking to move out with a roommate almost EVERYONE was an "engineer" of some sort.
In hindsight I shouldn't have deleted the quote to respond. I think I remember all of what you said.
Yeah I understand that fully. This has just been an idea brewing in my head for about 3 or so years and my original plan was to befriend someone that was a hardware engineer and after building trust and enthusiasm start working on things. Me personally, I would do all of this for no profit on my part. Do I want it? Yes, but I only care about food, living, car payments, and getting this project rolling. I would like to work with people passionate enough about this to have a close mindset, but I realize that's not realistic, especially since it's my idea I'm asking people to believe in enough to work for it.
I think what I will probably have to do is, once I get enough stuff written up to present to an engineer to entice them on the project, also get some contract ready that promises them some share in things. The only thing is that could get very messy, and I would also need to add some more binding things so that they couldn't just leave on their own and take some profits, but I know I will need SOME way to entice people to want to work on this beyond just showing them the plan and idea.
I'm also trying to get in the more professional mindset. Making new company named emails and profiles so when I talk to people it's not just from a personal account. For XDA though I assumed people would take a senior member a lot more seriously than a brand new account though.
Are you from the Bay Area as well or do you just know of it? I find it weird that in this area people want to know investors and have their teams. I am in the opposite position where I have no team but have investors I am able to get a meeting with.
As a side note, a main reason why this turned from an idea to a thing that I HAD to do is I was getting fed up with all the phones that are coming out. There are many markets and categories missing from phones and I am hoping I can be the one to fill the gaps. I see tons of complaints online on various aspects of phones and so few companies seem to listen. Then once in a while a phone seems to be close to perfect and then the company doesn't ever come close again or removes wanted features. My only real fear is if the market moves too fast with some proprietary tech. But seeing as we've had bendable screens for...what 3 years now and the most we've gotten is slightly curved phones no one likes? I hope to change that, to get people more interested and caring for their phones.
Just figure out where they hang out online, and post...
You could post wherever idle HW engineers go to look for jobs too.
And there is no such thing as an "unemployed engineer".... They're (we're) consultants / contractors in between assignments, LOL.
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Just figure out where they hang out online, and post...
You could post wherever idle HW engineers go to look for jobs too.
And there is no such thing as an "unemployed engineer".... They're (we're) consultants / contractors in between assignments, LOL.
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That's why I'm here to see if anyone knew where they went to hang out online haha. How would I go about that? Like a site or forums that's like a github for engineers instead of coders (although github is more pure code.....stack overflow I should say, but I think I make enough sense).
Haha! That seems very true. I'm sure I could find one to help me at least get the planning done but I would love to find one who wants to see this project through and through, and stay on for the full production of the phones, and the other ones I plan on making in the following years if this one succeeds.
Oh and, since from what you've said you SEEM to be a hardware engineer, how would I go about asking for the right kind? Could anyone with a degree or knowledge be able to easily adapt to making phones properly, or would I need to ask for one with a certain specialty? If so, what's the official term for the specialty?
Brief Introduction:
Its difficult to come up with a means of working around saying what I am trying to work on so I'll just say it. After all whats the good of doing things like this if you dont float your boat every so often. This being said I am far from cocky but I do take pride in what I work on.
So here goes. For the last year and a half my father and I have been working on personal safety applications on android.
Here is the one we had working last year: WEBB: SG in the Pottstown Mercury
The system was flawed and hacky and I am trying to make it better because as with all things a year and a half later you want to see your app evolve and continue to be of use. - It needs major work at this point due to new system policies in the android OS. Primarily regarding instant calls to emergency services. I do have a work around for this - that is not system illegal.
What I am wondering is this:
Is it possible while you are in a call to switch the input audio feed (Mic) to the output(line out) So that the recipient of the call hears the audio that would otherwise come over the speakers?
If so can someone point me in the right direction -- I figured that if I could ask anywhere and actually get an answer it would be on XDA. Problem was I was sort of scared to post. - Intimidation factor and not wanting to come off as to much of a noob / code-vamper.
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Also glad that after so much time I finally got my hind end here on the dev forums.
Nice to meet you, I look forward to being an active member of this community and hopefully one day earning my place among the major leagues of the XDA-Devs.
- Alex