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Ok. I have this idea that could make millions of dollars if pitched correctly. This invention would work for the Kaiser and many other phone manufacterers but I'll just stick to WM platform for now. How would I be able to get developers to help out on it without the fear of it getting stolen?
I'm currently looking into getting a patent. Any recommendations other than that to safeguard my idea?
i guess you can never trust people in this kind of things. one thing you could do is to find some people that will sign some kind of contract and then make this contract official (find some lawyer to make this contract for you and approve it)
Thanks dude. I'm saving some money so I can hire a lawyer and get paperwork straight. This idea is genius and practical. I just needed the help of some genius developers too. Didn't want to spill the info but wanted some re-assurance.
I was thinking about something.
You hear people suing people over a song that they originally created. The funny thing is that the lawsuit comes up when the song becomes popular and rakes in millions. That's a smart thing. I mean if my idea ever got stolen. Anways any lawyers on this forum. Any idea of the cost of getting this into contract and patented?
if this idea of yours got anything to do with wm i guess you can find quality developers here on xda. just search and find developers that created software somehow related to your idea (same developing tools used, same environment...).
as for the costs, i got no idea and it depends on country you are in. but the costs can not exceed the profit if plans are realistic. so, all you need to know is how sure are you that the idea is good, possible to realize, has market and things like this. you also need to know that you must invest if you wan't to make a profit.
my advise to you is that you reconsider your idea and it's realism and then if you really believe in idea and yourself just go for it. the point is that you must be sure in what you are doing and do it in right time. as people say, time is money.
p.s.: i would suggest you to find some moderator and ask him to move this thread in some more relevant forum (some in general forums) as there you have more chance to get some reply
Here is what I would do first off -
I would describe the entire project and then mail it to myself registered mail and do NOT open the envelope. This will be your proof that you had the idea on this date as you describe it in the note.
Bill
whk said:
Here is what I would do first off -
I would describe the entire project and then mail it to myself registered mail and do NOT open the envelope. This will be your proof that you had the idea on this date as you describe it in the note.
Bill
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But this has absolutely no value in case you need to go to court.
What has is the date you file a patent application with a brief summary of the idea. The best is to to that ASAP. After that, you have about one year to formulate the exact patent text highlighting the exact key points that can apply for a patent (that are considered innovative) and that you want to protect. This will then have to be approved, and then (this can be months/years later) the patent is active and you can start suing potential copiers. BUT, the important point is that the date you filed the application on is the one that is valid in case someone else files another patent on the same subject, the one applying first wins. Note that nothing of it can be made public before this is done or everything is void.
It should cost a couple of thousand $ to get the application done, then once your patent is accepted the amount you need to pay depends on the number of countries you want to protect it in, and can reach $10k or more per country per year.
I have filed a patent application myself about 2 years ago, and that 1 year delay to file the definitive text was enough to convince me that the move was just useless. But my idea doesn't make millions anyway.
Personally for something that is software-based, as an individual, if the idea is really good and has a lot of potential I'd just file an application to have that first filing date in case really needed, but I guess I wouldn't go further. The problem is above - you need to choose the countries the idea is protected in. For software, if you don't go worldwide then all it would take to someone wanting to copy you would be to open an office in one of the countries you didn't list and start spreading his copy from there without you being able to do anything against it, but still having paid the patent a fair lot that is now lost...
Note that all of this is my experience and what I've learned from it - I'm no lawyer and you should still ask advice from one to take the right decisions. It's valid for international protection, if you're in the US and want to file a US only patent things are simpler and go faster from what I've heard.
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But this has absolutely no value in case you need to go to court...snip...
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Very little has any value in court.
I have spent $60,000.00 defending software written by me. It was obvious that the person violating the software had deeper pockets than we did and could simply tie us up in legal maneuvers forever - we simply had to quit prosecuting.
Bill
I have run my own company for 30 years. Now let me get this straight, you have an idea but want everyone else to develop it for you, so you can make millions. Does that sum it up?
People only steal and misappropriate when they feel (rightly/wrongly) that they are getting taken advantage of to line someone else's pockets.
"I deserve all the money because it was my idea," doesn't cut it. Make people feel they are helping themselves as much as you. Give them a fair share and they will work hard and be honest.
Now before you nay sayers start telling me I live in a fantasy world, as I said up front ,I've been doing it for thirty years.
Oh yeah, and keep a real good eye on the Ledgers.
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Thanks dude. I'm saving some money so I can hire a lawyer and get paperwork straight. This idea is genius and practical. I just needed the help of some genius developers too. Didn't want to spill the info but wanted some re-assurance.
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Hire someone.
Ok. I wasn't saying that I was going to get all the money. Obviosly If I hired some developers from this site I would state in contract what the terms would be and what everyone's share would be. I'd doubt a developer would work on a project blindly without knowing what they were going to get out of it. I just wanted information and once I get all this sorted out then I can speak on the project. It is for windows mobile and could be used by millions of people in different professions.
Figured I would share, in case some didn't know. I've been using Droidlive lite to stream Stern on shoutcast. There's a dozen channels on shoutcast that loop Stern. Totally free, totally sweet. A lot easier than when I had a bberry. Too bad I paid for an account at the beginning of summertime.
Sprint hero
Fresh 1.1
Nexus bootscreen
16g Sd card
Amon Ra 1.5.2.
Sweet, thanks for pointing that out, I have been looking for such an app for a while.
i used to do this online a while back, i found out its easier to just download them after someone caps the show and just move it over to the mem card and you are able to pause it and no commercials. u can use any of the music streamers though if you want to hear it live, i tried it with streamfusion like 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I never found too good of a download source. Be nice id you could record straight from streaming app in the phone.
didnt his co host just try and kill him self the other day ??? whats his name artie or somthing like that
I must have.missed that one. He's got some serious issues though. They said he was getting help.
Alex Jones is on shoutcast also. Listening to alex might actually cause some people to think and act like decent human beings and pay attention to whats going on around them, so beware. Listening to stern will turn you into a zombie. oh by the way, "tunewiki" does shoutcast.
yea artie tried to off himself, he stabbed himself 5-6 times i think, 3 were serious. stabbing yourself to death is RAW, i couldnt do it. but yea, i know people hate stern, i just listen to him purely for comedic purposes.
Wow, that's f'ed up.
I don't hate stern, just that to much nonsense will turn you into a....zombie. Was a fan of stern for years but if you haven't noticed we're being sold into slavery at a staggering pace. For real everyone should give jones a listen, and while you're at it visit a few good websites also... infowars.com, wearechange.org, liberty4free.com. Get your news from alternative sources like the drudgereport.com, mainstream media is there to lie to you and keep you in line.
Yeah no thanks, not into radical bs. Jones is a zealot who hates all but white Christian males. The world has enough issues without listening to fear and hatemongers. Those people prey on the poor, and uneducated. I use to listen to all that crappy when I was young, angry, and blaming everyone else for my problems. Then I grew up.
well unfortunately from your statement I know u've never looked into any of what he talks about. if u actually educated yourelf on the american gov's slaughter of millions, and the control they are attempting to get over allllll of us, not just white males, then u'd b angry to. just go to liberty4free.com and watch the documentaries on ruby ridge and waco, if that doesn't make u angry, then u sir are a zombie. Look up the article the info czar just release, he's actually advocating thought crimes! hello 1984, maybe u should read it. also watch "freedom to facism" by aaron russo. that would be a good start to your so called education. People who stand up for human rights are not radicals. the radicals are the ones trying to oppress those who do. "those who prey on the poor" u mean like the banksters who just stole trillions of dollars from you and I?
http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/54/14154/1/83230527.Hehstghw.PaghmanBeforeAfter.jpg kabul 40 years ago and today, yeah u should b angry.
Just make sure u don't miss american idol!!!
Not into that either, thanks anyway.
Case and point. Don't worry people like me are still here to defend your right to b ignorant.
You're a. douche, and know nothing about me. Go back to hole you crawled out of. I love how all you fanatics think people are ignorant, just because they're not into your radical bs. Mods, freel free to delete this thread, its been hijacked by an idiot.
Mods feel free to censor the most important thread on here
educate yourself please thats all I ask.
Here's a link to "America: Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo (RIP) if anyone is interested. Director of trading places with Eddie Murphy among other things. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#
Thank You Devs Week.
Recently, I've been seeing lots of moaning around ROMs, and I wanted to do something that means we can all give something back to us.
Devs work very hard around the clock for us, and sometimes it's easy to just moan and moan about bugs, feature requests, or asking for ETAs.
So, this week, join us to celebrate all the hard work that devs do for us and THANK YOUR DEV!
What Can I Do?
We want you to get in touch with your dev, by Twitter, email or PM, and tell them why you love their ROM so much.
These are email addresses that devs have sent us so far so that you can thank them:
None yet
Devs please email max(at)maxmarroni(dot)co(dot)uk if you have an email addy you want to add to this list. Make sure to include the device subforum so we know which post to add it to.
You can also tweet about the campaign to @thankyoudevs or #thankyoudevsweek
We need a logo!
If you're good with photoshop etc, we need a groovy logo and a graphic to go in people's signatures with something like 'I thanked My Dev!' in it. Email max(at)maxmarroni(dot)co(dot)uk if you're interested.
And Finally...
Thank you for supporting this campaign and I hope no devs get inundated with thousands of emails
Happy Thanking your Dev!
Sychophants-r-us
Cor! yeah! I'll have some of that!
I've created a site called sycophantsr.us where you can all add your dev-greets!
Sycophants-R-us: English Chapter.
Dave and Sam's plans for us all to 'hug-a-hoody' kind of disappeared didn't they? I suppose old Cleggy put him off a bit.
But, no worries fellow sycophants! Thank-a-Dev-week really kicks off after work today. We, (well, we the English Chapter of SRU, that is), will all be meeting up in Guildford. The plan is to swoop on Chunky-Dev. He usually lurks as Sys-Admin on the Industrial Estate there.
After a few hug-a-chunks we'll feel bloody good about ourselves won't we? And it's all back to the Groveller's afterwards. Last one in buys the Chianti Classico!
See you there everyone!
P.S. Full details on the website http://www.sycophantsr.us - yesterdays non-linking error now corrected
lol im there croques
Reminder Sycophants-R-us
Guildford cattle market 6.30 sharp. Yes it's tonight for the Hunky-Chunky-Dev Swoop Group meet. Be there or be square.
i missed it.
good turn out?
Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day
Dishy Dev of the Day
Well folks, those of you in the English Chapter that attended the do at the Grovellers, in Guildford last evening, had a super time. I was so pleased we all managed to fit in. Mario had bought in a few extra bottles of Chianti Classico as requested. I'd told him we would all be coming 'en masse' and to expect, at least, 100+. He was right though; the two extra bottles <em>were</em> enough.
Anyway, I just know our chunky-hunky-dev enjoyed all the man-hugs you gave him - and those from me too - (you can see he's pleased in the picture I took). I lingered in the hug a little longer than normal; I summoned up all my courage and pressed quite close! I decided I quite like man boobs, don't you? Well, no probably, you more than likely being a fella; you most likely don't. On the other hand though...
But to continue... it was strange, no-one sat close to him all evening. I guess, being a code-monkey, he's one of the Great Unwashed and whiffs a bit. You know what I mean? But I couldn't be sure though; I'm having trouble with my sinuses at the moment and tend to snort snot sideways and everywhere.
I'm sorry! Was that too much information?
No-one mentioned any odd smells and the evening passed just fine. Folks tended to drift away after about 7'ish as they had something else scheduled. My, what busy lives you all lead! Phones were hot with all those diary entries I could see being made. Someone was going on about an app that can ring your phone whenever you want. What would be the point of that? Daft if you ask me.
But I missed most of the conversation, such as there was, as I was making peace with Mario. He said I'd promised 100 guests, when I done no such thing. I know how difficult it is for members in these stricken times. Travel costs are so high now, aren't they? Some had come from as far away as Shalford! Thanks for all that effort! You know who you are; I won't embarrass you by naming names. But it was a shame when you had to leave very early-on so as to get back, as the lights on your bike had broken. But, as I say, I think the evening passed off very well.
Well, apart that is from that slightly unpleasant moment when someone flashed their phone in Hunky-Chunk's face and asked "can you beat that then?" Clearly the phone in question was not loaded with his ROM. Well, I know for a fact it wasn't his ROM. As it all seemed to be working fine; with no lag or anything. And I could clearly see the GPS had a fix, even indoors as we were. I think it might have been He-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named's ROM. He went purple for a moment; puce even; I thought for a moment the game was up and we all were going to get a tougue lashing. Asperger's and Tourrettes together is quite a burden for one boy to carry isn't it?
But he was easily distracted by someone breaking a glass behind him. He's known to have the attention span of a gnat on a Summer's evening buzzing back to places already visited. (It's the limited attention span that gets the bugs in the code you know - but I'd better not dwell on that, had I?)
Now, as it happened, I had the time to ask our Hunky-Chunk your questions over breakfast this morning. Oooh! I really ought to re-phrase that ... as nothing happened. No. Nothing.
I tell you - nothing at all happened. Well here's what did happen... after polishing off the two bottles of Chianti between us, he was a bit legless and I thought I'd better see him home. Despite me promising him I was going to make him famous as my latest toy-boy. And telling him that between us we could re-populate Passchendaele. And handing over a purse full of Viagra. He was as limp as a filleted cuttle fish in a wheelchair on an outing to Lourds. I don't think he had a clue as to what was on offer! If he did, he certainly didn't want it. No, and I wasn't put off by the frilly underwear either; I'd have been willing to give it a go. I tend to wear the plainer style with a larger gusset myself, but hey-ho.
I suppose I've lost some of my allure since I stopped colouring my hair and become menopausal - well long since really. And so what? I've developed a few 'laughter lines'. And the flesh sags a bit where it didn't used to. We all have to face up to age catching us up eventually. It's a cruel, cruel World, isn't it? But I digress... and what am I waffling on about?
Without more ado - let me announce our Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day!
He's asked me not to reveal his real name or screen-handle(s) as he might want to get a proper job one day and doesn't want all this tosh obscuring his resume. I can understand that.
But he's one real Hell-of-a-Fella and a Dishy-Chunky-Hunky-Dunky-Dev I can tell you.
Here he is:
[edit] Picture Removed - he didn't like this one either [edit]
isn't he a sweetie? And he's really nothing like the villain he's made out to be.
I knew you wouldn't be disappointed. Actually, it isn't the photo I took. He wouldn't let me use that. (I thought it was we women who were supposed to be vain.) But he gave me a picture of himself taken before all that lard loaded, and insisted I use that. So there you go; a little fishy, wishy-dishy, picture instead.
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Born : Cesarean section
Nationality : British
Age : 27.75
Pet family name : Oi You!
Occupation : Windows Systems Engineer
Live : Godalming - house share. (Ed. It's a squat and the water's off!)
School : Yes
Uni : No
School Prizes : Christmas Raffle 1997
Favourite food : Anything in a pie-case & chips
Favourite colour: Green
Favourite Group : Sugababes
Favourite Oldie : YMCA, Village People
Favourite OS : RISC OS
Favorite phone : Nokia N95
Favourite saying: Defectus tuus consilium carpere discrimen mihi non constituit!
Car : Renault Twingo (Ed. Un-taxed and not insured)
Vote for : Me
Spare time spent: Chillin' 'n' codin'
Sports : Water pistols duel around the rack rooms - but only on night shift!
Snort etc : Nothing in last 9 months; I'm clean now, honest, well, apart from a popper or two at weekends
Best Game : The Ultimate Gay Mafia Wars
Dislikes : Anyone who questions me; boyfriend leaving pants on floor; other ROM devs; people taking the piss.
Pet hates : Grey and wrinklies (Ed. touche)
Disappointed by : Not going to Uni
Future plans : Develop for Windows Phone 7; ban everyone fom XDADevelopers who posts a bug report on my ROM
Would like : Respect; adoration; a degree; more pay
Well, there you have it folks. And look out for our next....Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day coming soon to sycophants-R-us! Are you a member yet? PM 42turkeys if you want to join!
(c) Piss-Taking Productions Ltd: Pimlico, Poplar, Purley, Penge & Penzance
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And tomorrow night...
I can confirm that 'Thank You Devs Week' bravely continues despite the lethargy displayed by last evening's poor attendance. I only received one apology. Shame on the rest of you.
I'm not sure what's got into you all. I know that a woman discussing things about blokes bits and the like in today's 'Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day' isn't really the social norm. But hey, times are a changing.
All you little introverts out there can really help push the social barriers on a bit. So don't be frightened - just join in and do your thing! Brown-nose a bit if you want or just listen to others doing it. So, OK, maybe you've just got to reload that ROM and perhaps your social skills do need honing a touch; but you've got to get your head out of that phone at some time - do it now! Please come and join us! If you want some tips on brown-nosing, 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting has written a how-to. You'll find it on the web site. It's an invaluable primer for getting to the top in todays world of business.
Anyway, let's get on to tomorrow's Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day.
Who could it be?
He bravely battles the booze; he's bright but boring; he's a big bad bastard and he's BANNED!
Know who it is yet? Make sure you join Sychophants-R-Us to get the full low-down in tomorrows edition of Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day. Remember to pm 42turkeys to join!
PS No Swoop Group meet on this one; (I want to see if I can get the bastard on my own this time).
Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day: Failure report
Well fellow member of sycophats-R-us. I have to report abject failure. It's not often in my life that something gets the better of me. But it happened last night.
I was all pimped-up to the nines, badly wanting to make a good impression. I even had my heels on, I haven't worn those in ages... and the body-shaper... like Trish & Suzanna wear. It had pulled me in nicely so I really thought I might too, at last.
Anyhow to continue my report, I finally managed to get some sort of GPS fix from the 4/11 satellites being received on my phone and eventually found my way to where our Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day lived.
I successfully parked the car... it took a while though. I only put a small dent in the door of that Audi A8; I don't 'spose they'll notice. But I did need to find another space somewhere else just to be safe. And it was that that took the time.
Neasden is such a dump isn't it? I found the house and decended the very worn steps to the basement flat. Paint was peeling off everywhere. And it stunk to High Heaven of cat pee. You know what? Irony of all irony; do you know what the house and flat number were? Flat 26, 32 Carper's Crescent. Well! I ask you. How close is that to all the brouhaha over kernel 2.6.32; did he have it or didn't he? Well, specially for you, my SRU reader, I was going to find out. But between you and me I don't for a moment think he really did have that code. But I was going to ask him anyway. I thought he'd tell me afterwards.. you know... in that dreamy time after copulating... or whatever you young boys call it these days.
I knocked on the door and waited. And waited. I waited. And I waited. I would have phoned him but what with all the GPS use, the battery had died.
My ROM Dev say two hours use is quite good for a Froyo ROM. I'm really pleased and love my ROM to bits; it's fantastic! I really, really appreciate all the amazingly hard work the Dev has done on my behalf. I always make a point of telling my Dev how great his ROM is even before I've loaded each twice-daily update... they like the feedback you know. Enough; I'm continuing...
I banged on the door again... rat-a-tat-tat, rat-tat. I was getting quite musically minded with beating out that rhythm; I had visions of drumming behind Mark Knopfler. Dream on Girl! Oh, if I could have my time round again.
But I was able to force my attention back to the matters in hand, and without too much brain down-time. Does your mind drift off sometimes? Mine's more off than on these days .. but I'm wandering again - sorry.
I knew he was in because I could smell burnt cabbage via the Expelair in the window. And I'd already texted him and told him to expect me around 8. It was a few minutes after sunset and the light was starting to go. I kicked the door a bit so the glass panes rattled.
Doing that set off a chain reaction I didn't anticipate...
I only had flimsy fashion shoes on so I'd stubbed my toe with all that door kicking. Naturally I lifted my foot to give it a rub. When I put it back down again the stiletto heel pierced the tail of next door's cat that was ingratiating itself around my legs and was probably responsible for the smell. The cat squealed like a barrage balloon with a million psi leak; I jumped in fright at the unexpected noise and stumbled backwards on those heels I've been telling you about; knocking open the door to the hidy-hole behind me in the process. The cacophony woke the fox hiding in the hidy-hole. He whooshed past me up the steps, sending the milk bottles at the top crashing down.
As I tried to regain my balance, I slipped on an old festering takeaway, (at least I hope that's what it was). I promptly fell-over backwards, well and truly into the hidy-hole; knocking over the bins therein and tearing my stockings as I went. I felt the gusset pop on my body-shaper; with skirt hitched even higher and with legs akimbo. All my assets were on full view. If you know what I mean?
Empty beer cans were rolling out from the hidy-hole everywhere. They mixed in gay abandon with the bottles cascading down the steps. Well, altogether it was all one hell-of-a din. And it woke things up I can tell you.
It was the people in the upstairs ground-floor flat that were first to be roused. They weren't very polite at first telling me to clear off, but they used that F-word I don't like; and they told me to ply my trade on someone else's doorstep. Anyway to cut a long story short I managed to explain what had happened. It took me three goes, but eventually they calmed down and saw the funny side. I'm damned sure I didn't. I still can't. But they agreed to bang on their floor - his ceiling you understand - and eventually I could hear cussing and swearing advancing up the passage to the door in front of me. I'd picked myself up by this time and re-pinned my gusset so at least I was decent.
"Wasshsup?" He called, standing behind the door and slurring his speech badly. I could tell he was three sheets to the wind. I poked open the letter box and peered through into the gloom. He was wearing just his vest and pants. His pecs weren't up to much but his tackle looked ok. Contrary to what all those spam emails say boys - I can tell you - girls don't care about size very much. So I'm sure all you weeners will be ok.
Well, there he was in his vest and pants; I say 'his' but they were so dirty they looked as if that had had a few dozen owners before. I could feel my desire level dropping markedly as that wave of deja-vu disappointment crept over me.
"It's me!" I called through the letter box, trying to keep my spirits up and sound cheerful. "I texted you earlier about an interview for my web-site."
"Web site?" He asked, still slurring like billyo.
"They've banned me... the bastards. Me?! The best ROM developer that'sshsever lived. Me! The bastards.... but I'll show'em.... I will ... I'll show'em. Basshtards"
I quickly decided I needed to steer him back to the purpose of my visit and try and put a stop to his burgeoning melancholia.
"I've come to ask you to share a few things with my ..." Before I could finish my sentence with the word 'reader', he interrupted, roaring like a wounded animal.
"Share?" "Did you say - SHARE?" The volume rose on the last word; even the questioning-lift at the end rattled my fillings.
"Are you bloody well taking the piss Woman?" He boomed.
"No Sir, I'm not Sir." I though it was a smart move to sir him and show much needed respect. (They're all the same these Devs - just so bloody needy. But I'd remembered the 'Sir' technique from 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting Brown-Nosers How-To). I continued before he could interject...
"Its just that my reader likes to find out about our favourite Devs, Sir, and we're having this special week called 'Thank-a-Dev-Week', Sir, and I thought you might like to share something of yourself with us, Sir - you know through my website." I gushed like a gawky-embarrassed-14-year-old on her first date.
But it was too late. I realized I'd used the 'share' word again. Not all the 'Sirs' in the World could undo that calamity.
Well, as you can imagine, dear reader, the game was well and truly up! Any plans I'd had for scoring that night were now zilch, terminated and kapput. Thank you very much and goodnight, as John Cleese might say!
Our Not-So-Dishy-Dev kneeled at the door, peering back at me through the letter box with glassy unfocused eyes. Peering back I could see the gravy stains down his vest. They had been smeared as he'd tried to wipe them away. I could see his pupils were huge, like saucers.
Sharpening up his gaze and giving me a quick once-over he made his decision. I could see his brain working; he didn't look that bright to me, despite what they say.
"Clear off you miserable scrawny tart and tell 'em all - I SHARE NUFFINK WITH NO-ONE... Bastards..."
And with that he got up and disappeared up his passage. I could hear him repeating the word 'bastards', muttering to himself as he slipped from view.
So todays Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day is He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named and he wants you to know he shares nothing with anyone and he thinks we're all bastards. I've interpolated a bit; please excuse the artistic license.
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Share Code : No
View of XDA-Devs : Bastards
View of XDA-Mods : Bastards
View of XDA-Users : Bastards
Now, I want you to know I played no part in his demise on XDA. There were things I could have said at the time but decided, quite rightly in my view now, not to. Just like any good SRU member, I always fully support the Mods. They do a wonderful job. Thank you Mods! (For anyone interested I've just casually dropped a couple of other methods from 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting's Brown-Nose How-To - i.e unquestioning support and gratuitous thanks.)
And it's too late to carp now isn't it? No one likes resurrecting old flames or re-telling the mis-fortunes of others. Especially me. And so I wish him all the best and hope he finds himself again soon. (Methods 3 - explain away lack of action on your part, with 4 - plausible deniability, and 4 empathetic hope for some improved future state; BNHT)
So, on a lighter note, there you have it folks! And look out for tomorrow's Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day coming soon to sycophants-R-us! Are you a member yet? Remember pm 42turkeys if you want to join!
(I do hope we can get a better Dev response next time - any other committee member want to try? And what news from the American and Canadian Sycophants-R-us Chapters? Wasn't there an SRU group starting in India too?)
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Swoop Group: English Chapter. Away Game This Weekend
OK fellow Sycophants-R-Us members. We have our final Swoop Group meet coming up this weekend. It's a long one distance one this time, so bring extra batteries; I'm sure they'll be a long wait at the airport.
We are off to Hagfors! Flight leaves Gatwick at 13:10 this afternoon! So tell your boss you've got period pains or whatever excuse you boys use, and get on over to Gatwick.
Norwegian Airlines flight LGW-UME. But don't be deceived by the airline's name. 'Cos we're off to SWEDEN to Hug-a-Deliciously-Desirable-Dev and to let him know what his recent appearance on XDA means for us all!
See you all at check in!!
Sycophants-R-Us: Group Swoop to Sweden URGENT!!!!!
Where is everybody?
It's 12:15 and they're close to boarding the flight and I'm waiting in the departure lounge on my own! PM me to tell me where you are. Or better even, switch your blooming GPSes on so I can see your whereabouts in the SRU app.
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SRU Swoop Group trip to Hagfors, Sweden
Well, thanks a bunch, guys. Call yourselves sycophants? Your not worthy the name!
And did you need to be so horrid? I'm only trying to get through 'Thank-a-Dev-Week' and have a laugh with a few mates along the way. It is our last Dev-of-the-Day outing so I thought you all might make a bit of effort. But what do do?
That was a really nasty video you made, Dave. I did manage to download it from YouTube and see it ok, thanks. It had a bit of a red caste to it with a few dropped frames - who's ROM were you using? And yes, as you say, that picture was the spitting image of me, but did you really need to use it? Showing a small photo without that big red highlighter circled around the wart on my upper-lip might have been acceptable. But that A2 size was a bit unkind.
Yes, as you claim it is 'a bloody big wart'. Don't you think I don't know that? But I'm waiting - just like Nanny McPhee - for the thing to disappear on its own. If it worked for her; I'm sure it'll work for me.
But what really hurt was the chorus you sang at the end. I can see you were all tanked up but that's no excuse really.
What was it? That last bit? "What do we wanno go to Hagfors with a warty old HAG FOR?" Of course you just had to shout that last bit didn't you? Then you all fell on the floor laughing!
You can be so cruel, David.
Got to stop now; the stewardess has told me three times to switch my phone off. They've closed the doors. More news later - if the batteries last!
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lol, I see my nice idea we worked on in #villainrom completely failed lol.
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This needs to be in the top 10 awesome threads of 2010
Sycophants-R-Us: Traitors!
For completeness I'm going to finish 'Thank-a-Dev-Week come what may. And from what I know now about what you all have done - 'what may come' may be anything.
As I've told you before I don't like being beaten by the way events conspire. But I have to tell you, reader, (and if you think I'm going to call you 'dear reader' after you've all done you can sod-off). I have to tell you, 'reader', that my heart's not in it. Sycophants-R-Us died a little for me yesterday. Dave's video started it. But bloomin' well spending all that money getting to Sweden only to discover you all planned this together, has really taken the biscuit.
I'm just so depressed. I'm one hell of a mug aren't I?. I've spent a fortune; it's not like there's a Ryanair el-cheapo flight to get out here. No - it was a full-price scheduled flight I took, seemingly just to make myself look even more stupid.
I don't think I'll be able to hold my head up around SRU ever again. I imagine Doris, Mabel and Cecily will be casting pitying glances my way and smiling to themselves over their knitting while we play whist on the SRU coach outing to Bognor or where ever. Just because I don't knit and am a woman-into-phones they've always socially isolated me. I've always been an outsider with them. I didn't mind that so much because I could always talk with one of their husbands - that's one of you lot - about new ROMs and apps and stuff. I thought I'd been accepted as a kind of 'honorary man'. But now, you'll all be laughing behind my back too won't you? I don't think I can bear being an outcast any more.
And that self-styled Chief Brown-Noser, 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting - you know him - he's the one always playing pocket billiards whenever you see him standing at the bar. I know for a fact he's got very little to play with; Mrs 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting told me. And I'm not one to spread gossip, as you know, but using Twitter on my phone has been a revelation. The things you find out! And in almost real-time too! You wouldn't believe half of them unless, as I do, you knew they were true. 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting - is always very correct and proper when you meet him isn't he? Well... apparently. But he's really into spanking and bondage and stuff; like that Max Mottely, who was in the papers a while back.
His poor long suffering wife - that's 42TurkeyTwizzlersInOneSitting's wife not Max Mottley's - I don't know how she stands him. Well I do. She told me. She sends him off for 'funny sessions' in basement flats in London for 50 quid a pop. It keeps him off her knee though, doesn't it? And that's all that matters.
So why is he all the while so smug? He thinks he's the 'Supreme Sycophant' and that I'm beneath even his contempt. He started all this 'Thank-a-Dev-Week' crap that I've been struggling so hard to make work for us all. But what contribution does he make? A big fat nothing - that's what. Did he attend a swoop group? Like as hell he did.
What I want to know is... why does he always forget to adjust himself when he exits the toilet? I wonder if that makes him a closet exhibitionist as well as being into spanky-hanky-panky?
Many Devs are introverted-exhibitionists you know. That's what drives them. I know introversion and exhibitionism don't sit well together but it kind of makes sense. These Devs, our Devs, want to show off and let us all know how clever they are but they don't like mixing much with others. So they code ROMs in their bedrooms and wait for the adulation to arrive.
Devs like the word 'flash' too, I think. Look at the number of times they use it in their ROM release instructions. 'Flash this', 'flash that'. I believe it has subliminal connotations for them.
Instead of a real flash, you know, a widely-opened-proper-pervy-macintosh kind of flash, the sort that all we older women have seen at least half-a-dozen time in our lives. (And some of you boys have thought about doing, I bet). Well, in their minds - I'm sure they see it as surrogate flashing instead. They get their jollies in the certain knowledge that we're all loading their ROMs; at their behest; as fast as they can spin them. The real pervy-Devs sometimes release two or three ROMs in a day. I can only imagine they get very sore... if the adulation doesn't arrive.
And getting back to the point of all this; I'm still waiting here in Ulmea airport, Sweden. It 6:45 Saturday evening local time. I haven't eaten since having a rye crisp-bread on the plane yesterday; and I've no money. Well, that's not true. I have money. Just not the right money.
Because I flew to Sweden with Norwegian Airlines, I somehow got it into my head I needed Norwegian money. This'll be the icing on the cake for you lot. I've a 1000 krone note but no-one will change it as its too big! You know the same kind of hassle we get in the UK with £50 notes. So I've been doing some of the stuff Tom Hanks did when he got stuck at a US airport; but not nearly so successfully. I've tried being very feminine and helpless to attract a bit of chivalry.. It used to work years ago, pre-wart. but all I've managed to attract so far is the attention of airport security with a very stern warning to desist.
I won't tell you spending all night and all next day in an airport departure lounge is no fun; I'm sure you know that. What I will tell you is that discovering that everyone but me was in on this. That's the 'Me' that's been trying to jolly you all along. You know? This person; Me! The one trying so hard to kick some life into Sycophants-R-Us and Thank-a-Dev-Week. I only wanted to ensure you enjoy yourselves in the process of seeing that the Devs are thanked properly for their superb hard work on our behalves. They do a wonderful job you know.
It's taken me some time to realize what I'm doing at Ulmea Airport in Sweden. I remember full well the refrain - "Wha' do we wanna go to Hagfors with a warty old hag for?" So why am I here at Ulmea? Good question! And the answer came to me while I was wide awake at 3.45 this morning.
You all knew Hagfors wasn't on any major airline route from the UK didn't you? You only chose it to make a rhyme with 'hag for' in that horrid video. Didn't you, Dave? Didn't you? There's no need to answer because I've worked it out. When I phoned up asking if you knew where our New-Nordic-Swedish-Swishy-Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day lives you said you'd find out and call me back. I wondered why it took you so long, but you were ringing around the SRU Swoop Group and hatching your plan weren't you? It took me half the night to work it out. But I know. I know.
Our New-Nordic-Swedish-Swishy-Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day target lives in Gothenburg doesn't he? I've just looked it up on XDA. And you all knew that landing at Ulmea at 10:20 at night would put me hundreds of miles from Gothenburg with no chance of me getting any action with our New-Nordic-Swedish-Swishy-Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day. Even if I could have persuaded him to see the sensual woman beyond the wart.
Anyway just to spite you all I phoned him. He didn't say much. He's a bit embarrassed by his English pronunciation; although he didn't need to pronounce anything really. Apart, that is, from repeating what he learned from the video.
"What do we wanna go to Hagfors with a warty old hag for?" Followed by very deep-bass guttural laughing; that's all I could get out of him. I assume the video has gone mega on YouTube?
Well, I did say I was going to finish Thank-a-Dev-Week at the start didn't I. Just accept it's not as comprehensive as I would like but you pratts conspired against me and I really can't be bothered any more..
So, reader, our New-Nordic-Swedish-Swishy-Dishy-Dev-of-the-Day This is what I know.
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Live : Gothenburg (Ed. NOT Hagfors ;) )
Enjoy : Schadenfreude (Ed. No. It's not a German wine. I had to look it up too.)
So here I am, reconciled to to returning to the UK hundreds of pound poorer, perhaps a bit wiser and feeling lower than I thought I could possibly feel.
Oooh! My phone's trackball has just lit up. Well done to my ROM Dev for getting it working! I'd really like to see the LEDs flash alternately too; I'll write in and request the feature when I get back.
It's a message from the XDA Moderation Team. It looks kind of formal. Hang on while I read it.
I'm too upset to continue now and you'll have to wait while I get myself together. Oh I do need a good seeing to!
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Sycophants-R-Us: Banned!
Dear Croques,
Thank you for your letter re- 42turkeys requesting an update to his XDA-screen-name.
As we have made you aware earlier, the Senior Moderation Team, have not regarded your gratuitous use of sexual imagery to denigrate our male XDA users' self-esteem, in any favourable light.
You were also warned not to promote your own sexual proclivities or desires.
You were also asked to desist from promoting an external organization; namely Sycophants-R-Us.
You tell us that 'Thank-a-Dev-Week' has been - to use your words - 'a Turkey'. In that it had largely failed to attract any following what-so-ever. Neither from Developers or XDA users. Whilst that may be true, we have come to the view that your scornful imagery, seemingly at first reading sycophantic, actually is not. The ironic sub-plot is the absolute antithesis of your writing. Your real message is apparent to anyone with a Reading Age over 12. (We accept that excludes Sun readers). Hence we find your writing devalues everyone using the XDA Forums.
Your request to rename 42turkeys as 43turkeys whilst, semanitically mildly amusing, is denied.
Further, the name-calling and vicious flaming of XDA members is, as you have been warned, against XDA Forum rules.
We have regretfully decided to close your account on XDA with immediate effect. We warn you that any action on your part to rejoin with an alias screen-name will be carefully monitored and any such 'sister' accounts will be closed without notification.
Best wishes
The Senior Moderation Team.
XDA Forum.
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I'm gutted... bye everyone.
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In honor of Autism Awareness month I wanted to share this. I know it's off topic but I truly feel it's important. Thanks in advance for giving me a few minutes of your time.
By now most of you are familiar with my personal quest to spread Autism Awareness from using my midNIGHT ROM or reading my Lost and Tired blog. For anyone not familiar with me or my mission I'll briefly share my story. I'm the father to 3 Autistic boys. Emmett is 2 1/2 years old. Elliott is 5 years old and Gavin is 11 years old. Life on the very best of days is a struggle for survival. My kids are AMAZING and I love them more then anything in the world.
The problem is that world is not always understanding. In fact it can be very cruel. The things I have heard people say about my kids or kids like them is disgusting and ignorant. Families like mine are very often judged harshly and unfairly by people unaware of what's on. There have been several occasions my kids have been referred to as "retards" by people in my own neighborhood. My kids may not understand what they mean, but I do. I can't explain the restraint I must show in order to not draw attention to what was being said. It literally breaks me to hear things like that.
My mission is to spread Autism Awareness to anyone willing to have an open mind and open heart. I want people to understand what life is like for my family and families like mine. My kids are EXTREMELY intelligent as are most if not ALL Autistic kids. They struggle in the area of social interaction and tend to have MAJOR sensory issues. Imagine if you couldn't help but hear EVERY SINGLE sound around you. Ticking clocks, buzzing lights, the whirling of the ceiling fan and even people breathing. When I say "hear" I mean these sounds are deafening and overwhelming as they have little or no ability to filter these things out. Did you know that's the most common reason Autistic kids to have meltdowns? They take in the ENTIRE world through all of their senses at one time and it is COMPLETELY overwhelming to these children. That is why they meltdown not because they are "brats" as many people incorrectly assume.
The way I see it is if people are more "Aware" of what's going on then maybe they can show understanding, support and compassion instead of cruelty, ridicule and judgement. I share my story as honestly as I do because I want people to be able to emotionally connect on some level. That's when Autism Awareness takes root and grows naturally.
I wanted to take a moment and ask everyone to help me spread Autism Awareness. April is Autism Awareness month. I ask that you show the same support for other families like mine that you do for me. Most of us have become isolated because no one understands. If you know anyone like that please reach out to them. Teach your kids to show compassion at an early age. You have no idea the positive impact you can have. I can honestly tell you that there have been some pretty dark moments for recently. I found strength in the kind words from people in this community. Please share my blog so others can become aware as well. Do what you can to remind people this is Autism Awareness month.
I want to thank you all for the making a difference in my life and helping to make the world a more understanding and compassionate place for my kids and all special needs kids and their families. I'm proud to be a member of this community and I look forward to working with all of you in the future. I would also be happy to answer any Autism related questions you may have as well.
If anyone would like to show support for Autism Awareness Month Johnny Bravo and I put together a banner. It's not branded with midNIGHT ROM or anything like that but it does link directly to my blog. It's not about a ROM it's about Autism Awareness. Please feel free to use and share it. I have attached the code.
Thank you for listening and thank you for support....
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good work
Keep at it eventually the whole world will understand
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Rob you are an Inspiration. I look forward to reading your blogs. You have taught me a lot about autism. I wish there were more people in this world like you. It would be a better place. I just wanted to let you know that my thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife and your 3 angels. Please continue to write on your blog and I promise I will do my part in helping others understand. I'm sorry for the dark moments you've been through but they made you who you are today.
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You guys should read his story about shopping at the super market before a winter storm. I have known many people who have had wrongs done against them and live in poverty due to chance or because of what others have done to them. One of these people left a real impression on me and I probably won't be able to retell his story very well but this is what I remember.
Last summer I had serve some community service hours to pay for a scholarship I got from my tribe. I chose to serve those hours at the John 3:16 mission in the poor side of town. While I was there I cleaned up the areas where the homeless people slept at night along with several permanent residents in the mission. These people were called "students" and they worked to get off of drugs and take classes in theology and various other things.
Over the course of working there I had the unique opportunity of meeting a particularly abused individual who was in their program, I'll refer to him as Jeff. Jeff seemed cheerful enough and always loved to joke around about everything. I came to find out he had been abused consistently since he was five years old (he is now in his 20's). One of the other residents liked to joke around about the shape of his head then he told us without even a hint of anger that it was because he had been hit in the back of head with a baseball bat by his father when he was five. He would later tell me many other stories about how he had fathered a child with a woman who didn't care about the child. The mother ran off with the child and wouldn't let him see her. He later came to find out his child had died (I didn't ask for any details, he was raining tears as he told me about all this).
Eventually he decided to move in with the only family he had left (deadbeat uncle) who also gave him crap and frequently took advantage of his position. Eventually the constant abuse was too much so he left the town his uncle lived in, on foot, and walked all the way to Tulsa, (over 100 miles). Eventually after wandering around he found John 3:16 and began the program. I am glad for him and hope that others like him will find refuge there.
Having said all this I do have one issue I can't ignore. Many people who ask you for money only do it to be lazy (Not you OP) and take advantage of nice people. Let me give you an example.
I was at a gas station a couple months ago and a guy, (who made sure I wasn't looking when he snuck up on me), walked up and asked me if I support African Americans, (oh boy.....), and told me he and his buddy were out of gas and had no money, then asked me for money. He was close enough to me to be able to knife me and he had snuck up in such a way that out of fear (not compassion). I gave him my money. I didn't feel good about giving it to him and felt I did more harm than good to that man by giving him that money. Jeff never asked me for anything.
I don't know if you guys believe in God or not but one thing that we are always taught is not to judge and to help people if they ask for help. At the same time, I think we aren't called on to necessarily give people in need what they want but what they need. In the case of the guy at the gas station, I would love to do something to help him get out of the cycle he's in but I don't know how. I think that if you can figure out a way to help a person even if you do something for them they don't necessarily want, you have done the right thing.
Too often people are quick to misjudge the poor and underprivileged. I have had everything given to me in my life and have never really had to worry about basic necessities or dealt with real pain but having known others who were afflicted with disease or just bad luck, I know that I should be thankful.
Next time you have a chance to really help someone in need don't let it slip. Many people need the help and I know if I were in their position I would appreciate it.
Sorry if this appears a little unrelated to autism.....
what i do is when im at a gas station and someone comes up and says they ran out of gas and need money for gas. i tell them ok pull your car up to the pump and ill give you some gas. the sad thing is most of them at that point just walk away. they donnt need money for gas. they wanted it for drugs. im not gonna support that. ill help someone out but i dont hand out money. you know what i mean.
I support this message. I'm not usually one to support public campaigns, but Rob (ptfdmedic) is one of the most honest and giving people I have met as an Android developer - and beyond. The cause is truly a worthy one - 1 in 110 children are now born with autism.
If anyone is interested in donating to charity, please consider the Autism Research Institute. As noted by charitynavigator.org, they are the most efficient and highly-rated autism-fighting charity out there, and they support medical science in searching for a cure.
EDIT: Temple Grandin recently spoke at my university. I didn't get a chance to see her, but she's working on methods of greatly increasing humane practices within the meat industry. Ms. Grandin holds a PhD in animal science, and has been listed as one of the 100 most influential people in the world in the "Heroes" category. She gave a talk during TED 2010, has been interviewed by many major media outlets, and a biographical film about her won five Primetime Emmys. Ms. Grandin is autistic.
I will often spend a day off in my wife's classroom (of 7 autistic children, elementary aged). Any one who says these kids are retarded doesn't have a clue.
You know there's no easy answer to that. Shortly after I published that story last month I had someone at xda contacted me. He told me that my story inspired him and he wanted to share this story. He said that he was at a gas station and he was approached by someone asking for help. Because he had just read my story he helped the man out and gave him some cash. He proceeded to tell me how good he felt doing that for someone. He then told that the next thing he knew the man he gave the money to hopped into a newer Jeep and drove off. Turns out he wasn't really homeless. The guys heart was in the right place and he had a sense of humor about it at least.
Sometimes people are dishonest and by sometimes I mean frequently. When I was approached last month at the grocery store I assumed he was looking for drug money as is often the case in my experience. It was only after I gave him a chance that I realized there was more at work here. Honestly I was cornered and wasn't physically able to get away. I turned out ok for me but it could have very easily been a dangerous situation.
Always put your personal safety first. Thats the only thing I would suggest to do 100% of the time. My point was that you just never know. Many of these people have a story and many of them are good people that the world failed. Some aren't. I wouldn't want my wife in a situation like that.
You guys are awesome. I appreciate the feedback and the stories. Even if you don't give them money all I was asking people to do was reserve judgement because you never know what's going on behind the scenes, if that makes sense. But ALWAYS stay safe and be smart.
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I support this message. I'm not usually one to support public campaigns, but Rob (ptfdmedic) is one of the most honest and giving people I have met as an Android developer - and beyond. The cause is truly a worthy one - 1 in 110 children are now born with autism.
If anyone is interested in donating to charity, please consider the Autism Research Institute. As noted by charitynavigator.org, they are the most efficient and highly-rated autism-fighting charity out there, and they support medical science in searching for a cure.
EDIT: Temple Grandin recently spoke at my university. I didn't get a chance to see her, but she's working on methods of greatly increasing humane practices within the meat industry. Ms. Grandin holds a PhD in animal science, and has been listed as one of the 100 most influential people in the world in the "Heroes" category. She gave a talk during TED 2010, has been interviewed by many major media outlets, and a biographical film about her won five Primetime Emmys. Ms. Grandin is autistic.
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You know it took me a while to work up to watching that movie because it's really hard for me to know how cruel people can be especially to people with disabilities. I do have to say that after watching it I walked away with a much better understanding of my kids. That was a great thing to bring up. K0nane you never fail to impress me.
I really appreciate how this community has taken to this. It's truly amazing to me that something so unrelated to the general topic here can bring so many people together.
Thanks it really means a lot and it really does help. At some point one of you will find your self in a position where Autism crosses your path. Maybe your at a store or out to eat and someone is struggling with their child. So many people would jump to conclusions about the parents or the child. Maybe with what you guys have learned you could just offer them a few words of support or just a smile. I promise you it makes a difference...a very profound one. Families like mine are not used to kindness like that. Often times a kind word or an understanding smile it all it takes to make it through.
Thanks everyone
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This effects 1/10 children ,that's 10% to many,I plan on donating to you this month,keep your head up,thoughts and bleesings to you and your family...
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This effects 1/10 children ,that's 10% to many,I plan on donating to you this month,keep your head up,thoughts and bleesings to you and your family...
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I really do appreciate it. Thank you..
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The actual statistics are 1/110 over all but 1/70 boys are diagnosed Autistic. That's a really scary number. If you follow the history of progression we're approaching a point where people that are considered to be "neurotypical" today will become a minority. I don't know if the human race has ever faced anything like that before.....
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My wife is also a school teacher. I see autisms affects weekly and it is devastating to the families, but its amazing how so many of them are up beat about everything. Really shows how staying a family and staying close can help conquer all of the odds.
I'm a Sophomore in High School and my brother has Autism. I'm older than him, so I've been around it for my entire life. While I can't say I understand it(but really, who can?), I know I have a better understanding than most people my age. So many times I've had to listen to people ask me what was wrong with my brother and call him slow. I immediately correct them and inform them that he has Autism. I always have to explain what it is and they still never get it.
There have been many times where I've stood up for my brother and any Autistic child at my school. I don't regret a single moment or instance of it.
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I'm a Sophomore in High School and my brother has Autism. I'm older than him, so I've been around it for my entire life. While I can't say I understand it(but really, who can?), I know I have a better understanding than most people my age. So many times I've had to listen to people ask me what was wrong with my brother and call him slow. I immediately correct them and inform them that he has Autism. I always have to explain what it is and they still never get it.
There have been many times where I've stood up for my brother and any Autistic child at my school. I don't regret a single moment or instance of it.
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You are absolutely AMAZING. My middle child is actually the "older brother" to my oldest. He will most likely walk the same path you do. I never hear from siblings like you. Thank you so much for sharing that with me. You made my day.
Thank you.
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Hello,
I'm not sure if this is the best place for this post, but it's the smartest, and largest android based community I know
I wanted to know where would be the best place for me to look for a hardware engineer. The caveat would be I need to find someone willing to talk a bit first before actually being paid. I need the help of one so I can make a more sound mock-up of what I'm doing and planning prices before talking to the VCs I have contacts for. That said, I COULD always find a way to basically hire a hardware engineer for consulting but I would really want to find a hardware engineer somewhat as passionate as I am about quality and creativity forward thinking. I already have a few software teams in mind to ask but will only do so once I have the funding.
So my question to you at XDA, where would I go about doing this? I should also mention the engineer I would look for would need to know about mobile phones. The thing is, I CAN start prototyping and the funding process using generic insides from a chinese phone BUT the end goal for me is custom hardware with the utmost care and quality put into it. So I would basically be lying to VCs (which let's be honest, everyone does) but then I would be delayed in having a hardware engineer still, and I'd rather have as much time to get the ball rolling as possible. Hell even if the hardware engineer could give advice on the future and pricing but says going with chinese insides until the money comes in would work.
I just have no idea where to find one, craigslist, ask around from friends, post at a certain website? Luckily what I will be doing for the next year shouldn't take the engineer more than a couple hours a week if even. So for quite a few months it should be pretty low key for them if they wanted to keep doing whatever job they were doing until I could afford to hire them full time. In about 6 months I want to start the prototyping to have early look units available for reviewers by November/December of this year.
Thank you for taking the time to read and help! If anyone is curious without saying too much I am looking towards making a pure android ubuntu edge quality phone, but most likely higher quality. The end goal is to use the main funding to make a phone directly aimed at the wants of you guys at XDA, but that's at least a year or so away sadly, and first things first.
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Hello,I'm not sure if this is the best place for this post, but it's the smartest, and largest android based community I know I wanted to know where would be the best place for me to look for a hardware engineer. The caveat would be I need to find someone willing to talk a bit first before actually being paid.
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You're in San Jose!! They grow on trees there! Just get some kid on the street and half their family will be HW engineers.
Anyway, this is the right place, but you are basically saying that they should "talk" to you, for free, for a while. So I doubt anyone would come forward. At least that's my experience in reading and seeing similar posts here in the last 2 years. Why would someone with the know how, risk spending months talking HW details, just to find him/herself abandoned?
You're project seem very noble and tasty, but we have to repackage it with some better incentives.
E:V:A said:
You're in San Jose!! They grow on trees there! Just get some kid on the street and half their family will be HW engineers..
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Hahahaha! So true! I remember when I first was looking to move out with a roommate almost EVERYONE was an "engineer" of some sort.
In hindsight I shouldn't have deleted the quote to respond. I think I remember all of what you said.
Yeah I understand that fully. This has just been an idea brewing in my head for about 3 or so years and my original plan was to befriend someone that was a hardware engineer and after building trust and enthusiasm start working on things. Me personally, I would do all of this for no profit on my part. Do I want it? Yes, but I only care about food, living, car payments, and getting this project rolling. I would like to work with people passionate enough about this to have a close mindset, but I realize that's not realistic, especially since it's my idea I'm asking people to believe in enough to work for it.
I think what I will probably have to do is, once I get enough stuff written up to present to an engineer to entice them on the project, also get some contract ready that promises them some share in things. The only thing is that could get very messy, and I would also need to add some more binding things so that they couldn't just leave on their own and take some profits, but I know I will need SOME way to entice people to want to work on this beyond just showing them the plan and idea.
I'm also trying to get in the more professional mindset. Making new company named emails and profiles so when I talk to people it's not just from a personal account. For XDA though I assumed people would take a senior member a lot more seriously than a brand new account though.
Are you from the Bay Area as well or do you just know of it? I find it weird that in this area people want to know investors and have their teams. I am in the opposite position where I have no team but have investors I am able to get a meeting with.
As a side note, a main reason why this turned from an idea to a thing that I HAD to do is I was getting fed up with all the phones that are coming out. There are many markets and categories missing from phones and I am hoping I can be the one to fill the gaps. I see tons of complaints online on various aspects of phones and so few companies seem to listen. Then once in a while a phone seems to be close to perfect and then the company doesn't ever come close again or removes wanted features. My only real fear is if the market moves too fast with some proprietary tech. But seeing as we've had bendable screens for...what 3 years now and the most we've gotten is slightly curved phones no one likes? I hope to change that, to get people more interested and caring for their phones.
Just figure out where they hang out online, and post...
You could post wherever idle HW engineers go to look for jobs too.
And there is no such thing as an "unemployed engineer".... They're (we're) consultants / contractors in between assignments, LOL.
mikereidis said:
Just figure out where they hang out online, and post...
You could post wherever idle HW engineers go to look for jobs too.
And there is no such thing as an "unemployed engineer".... They're (we're) consultants / contractors in between assignments, LOL.
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That's why I'm here to see if anyone knew where they went to hang out online haha. How would I go about that? Like a site or forums that's like a github for engineers instead of coders (although github is more pure code.....stack overflow I should say, but I think I make enough sense).
Haha! That seems very true. I'm sure I could find one to help me at least get the planning done but I would love to find one who wants to see this project through and through, and stay on for the full production of the phones, and the other ones I plan on making in the following years if this one succeeds.
Oh and, since from what you've said you SEEM to be a hardware engineer, how would I go about asking for the right kind? Could anyone with a degree or knowledge be able to easily adapt to making phones properly, or would I need to ask for one with a certain specialty? If so, what's the official term for the specialty?