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Hello fellow Uni users,
I could see quite a lot of people referring to them using TomTom 6 (and yes it also is listed on tomtom.com in the list of compatible devices). However I preferred MN5 over TomTom earlier on due to refined interface and NAVTEQ maps (which are so much better than TeleAtlas, in my opinion and from my experience of course).
My grudge against it was that it consumes lots of RAM and can't free it up easily (except Quitting and restarting software). But I managed to get it working all right on my Universal.
I waited for MN|6 for PDA's quite a long time. They have released PNA's with MN|6, then a version for Symbians, but no luck for PDA. And recently their web site began to take preliminary orders for VERSION 6, T.B.D. on December 28th.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw that the website lists no Exec under O2 brand, and if you select (similar) MDA Pro, it says "this model is unsupported!"
Well... AA Navigator was also unsupported under XDA II, but I made it work.
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* I wonder if anybody has used NAVIGON Mobile Navigator|5 on their Universals?
* I would appreciate if anybody who gets their paws on MN|6 (may be for their other PDA's) would let us know their experiences of using it on the Universal. Don't want to waste £100 on something that most probably won't work or will work with limitations...
* I wonder if the reason for no support is because Universal is low on available RAM? In this case all you need is just to soft reset your PDA before going somewhere. IF - that's a big IF - MN|6 just needs more RAM in which case... TOUGH
* I would appreciate if you note which Sat Nav software do you use for your Universals - I can guess TomTom 6 will be in the list.
But, any others?
I tried running this PNA version on my Qtek 9000, but it didnt work at all. used tweaks i found somewhere, but never passed the startup screen...
Was there a release planed for PDAs?
Dunno if the navigon 6 maps work on navigon 5?!
HansiHusten said:
I tried running this PNA version on my Qtek 9000, but it didnt work at all. used tweaks i found somewhere, but never passed the startup screen...
Was there a release planed for PDAs?
Dunno if the navigon 6 maps work on navigon 5?!
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Well, MN|6 for PDA's can be ordered from Navigon beginning on 28th December. The b***ers delayed the PDA release so they could crop the PNA market and then Symbian Mobile phones. Now looks like the time has come.
The problem is, they say MN|6 is not supported on MDA Pro - a similar class device and since I think that may be due to enormous amount of RAM it uses while running (MN|5 kept drawing memory with each search or map zoom, so it was best to quit after you got there and start anew - that somehow reclaimed the memory) and lack of RAM within Universal.
Anyway I am not ready to pay £100 for upgrade before I know for sure it works on Exec. I own MN|5 but upgrade incentive is disappointing -- just £25 off the regular price...
If MN|6 requires more memory even and doesn't like the Exec, I'll have but three choices -- drop it altogether and move to TomTom (likely) or CoPilot (unlikely), stay with MN|5 (bo-o-oring! ) or get myself a new XDA Orbit (unlikely )
Mhh.... ur sure it will use much more RAM?
Lets just wait and see, i´m optimistic Navigon 5 with latest update runs realy great and i wont stop trying V6 until i get it to run, awesome app, better than tomtom imho.
HansiHusten said:
Mhh.... ur sure it will use much more RAM?
Lets just wait and see, i´m optimistic Navigon 5 with latest update runs realy great and i wont stop trying V6 until i get it to run, awesome app, better than tomtom imho.
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I agree with you that it's better made than TomTom. You can see all signs of a luxury sat nav system -- and TomTom is deffo lacking refinement. Voice destination entry is just awesome, very convenient and people's jaws drop.
Navigon 5 ran more or less OK, albeit after you finish your destination it always failed to release memory - it requires lots of RAM to operate, so if I were going somewhere far away, I'd always softreset my system beforehand.
I tried to think why would it be incompatible, and some cheaper WM5 models would be. Definitely not CPU. Hardly also incompatible due to Bluetooth issues, even though for some models you'd see partial compatibility -- as in "incompatible with BiCeiver". I doubt they'd screw up Bluetooth stack from a perfectly working version in MN|5. So for now I'd blame it on MN|6 requiring more RAM to run -- and the Universal is famously low on memory especially in standard setup (non-Corporate mode), but that's only my guess. If that's the case, in Corporate mode there should be no problems running it.
Anyway, I've sent a message to Navigon asking why exactly is MN|6 not compatible with Universal. Hope to get an enlightening answer.
And yes, I'll be willing to try it all right and if it works properly after my tweaks, just buy it like I did with MN|5. Right now, a Torrent with what poses as "MN|6 für PDA" is stalled at 94% working since 20th...
Merry Christmas!
Official answer from Navigon support team
"Dear Mr. <EastExpert>,
thank you for your request and your interest in Mobile Navigator 6.
We regret to inform you that none of the following HTC Universal clones
is compatible with NAVIGON's latest PDA navigation solution (MN|6):
- O2 XDA Exec
- Qtek 9000
- T-Mobile MDA Pro
- Vodafone VPA IV
Whether the incompatibility of the HTC Universal clones is due to there
hardware architecture, their ROM image or both is unknown to the support
team. Sorry.
With kind regards
__________________
Navigon Support Team
A. M*******" (name provided)
So, they are SORRY.
For feck's sake, is it not enough that Universals cost about £600, must I buy again - some PNA - just to keep up with new version?!
Hardly.
I call bullsh*t. I'll believe this when I'll install MN|6 onto my device and it refuses to work outright. Before that, the question will remain open as to whether it works with Universals.
I'll have a look on TomTom 6 and CoPilot that will come with XDA Orbits... only CoPilot is nowhere to be found for trials... more work to do therefore!
Just to let you know, MN|6 for PDA's is now available on the markets (white and black as well).
Now I gotta find somebody to test MN|6 on their Exec to prove or disprove the "not supported" claim.
I have been waiting for Navigon MN6 too, since Navigon MN5 has the best street coverage in Sweden where I live.
I have also been testing TomTom 6 and I-Go 2006 and I am very satisfied with I-Go when it comes to speed and flexibility. Simply the best navigation solution right now.
But since the street coverage in MN5 was really good I had to test the new MN6 and went out and bought it to day.
Just as I thought MN6 was compatible with my Universal. It would install and start well and the interface is clean and easy to navigate.
The street coverage is also very good as I thought it would be.
BUT, and there is a big BUT, the SPEED! MN6 is painfully slow, the animated menus and especially when browsing the map. Sometimes you have to wait seconds for things to happen. I dont know if this is a problem with the Universal, but I dont think so, it has enough processing power and memory.
Speed was one of the disadvantages with MN5 when I used it on my WM2003 PPC, and speed is why I will go back to I-Go today. I-Go is so much smoother... Sorry MN6!
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BUT, and there is a big BUT, the SPEED! MN6 is painfully slow, the animated menus and especially when browsing the map. Sometimes you have to wait seconds for things to happen. I dont know if this is a problem with the Universal, but I dont think so, it has enough processing power and memory.
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That, my friend, is what I suspected... The program itself would run, but Universals are famous for their lack of RAM to operate programs. Even MN|5 required so much memory, it would leave 4-6 out of 22-24 available... shame actually, 'cause the program was really lovely and had that "luxury" feeling oozing from it. I guess MN|6 requires even more, probably as much as 20+MB. This makes a lot of swapping and this is probably why you experienced such slow operation... -- and why the NAVIGON decided to deem Universals incompatible. The processing power in Uni is abundant - Bulverde 520MHz is not bad at all!
For comparison, TomTom 6, which I decided to try as an alternative, happily lives in 6-8 MB (not forgetting to give the memory used by it back at the end of the session). Having seen this, I reenabled PocketBreeze on my XDA Exec and it still has plenty of memory to operate -- I feel so much happier after these few months... I intend to try playing MP3 while navigating and see how it fares along. Pure tests
Also TomTom showed Tunnel mode, availability of TomTom Plus service where you can subscribe for ~£33 for a year of Traffic updates (via mere GPRS - no need to buy yet another £170-210 TMC-enabled receiver!) and Speed (err, Safety) Camera updates... that's nothing if you ask me Operated very fast in my tests, 2-3 seconds long route recalculations, convenient & configurable menus (yes, you can make your own ONLINE!).
You also get camera data freely available from the Net if you don't feel like paying for TomTom Plus subscription. Other things I liked about TomTom is gradually increasing precision as you approach the maneuvre point (.1 miles then .05 then 50 yds then 25 etc... till 5), Race Against Time mode where you enter time you wish to be at your destination and it shows you how are you faring on it! Also very sensible routing algorithms (btw compared to MN|5 -- I just get there faster!). What totally killed me was Full UK Postcode search that just required me to copy a few files into installation directory and it worked straight away! Only AA Navigator had a comparable Full UK Postcode database... the problem is, it didn't support Address search (as in "Town/Street/Number" mode). So TomTom won here as well.
Re: iGO 2006, some colleagues of mine have tried it and have split feelings: 1) the program they say is just excellent, but 2) the map coverage in the UK where we are is disappointingly incomplete. I guess this is just a teething problem (growth problem) since iGO was designed in Hungary, so they say its Eastern European coverage is much better. And I think iGO definitely has future. I read the manual and was pleasantly impressed by amount of features available. (And a bit disappointed by reviews that said UK coverage is currently far from perfect).
In other words, I now have moved to TomTom 6 for now.
As for MN|6, seems like while we retain our Universals, we're in the ditch with it. Oh, tough. Until there's a comparable device (VGA and Phone and GPRS and 3G and WiFi and even GPS may be) -- I'll cling to my Universal.
Seems like I was wrong about the compatibility after all...
I have done some more testing here and it seems like it is the Universals lack of RAM thats the problem.
When I tried to do some door-to-door navigation with MN6 the Uni gave me memory allocation errors or it would simply freeze.
I have Helmis AKU 3.5 ROM and about 22 MB RAM free after soft-reset. Maybe I should try with Ivans, I read in his thread that with his ROM you start with about 30 MB free.
But I am not sure that would solve the problem, I found this thread and some people there have been testing MN6 with Ivans ROM.
http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=102846
By the way, I cant belive that MN6 is eating so much RAM. They have had a couple of years do redesign MN5 but still it needs more then twice as much as TomTom.
Since Navgions maps are the best where I live, I am thinking about trying MN5. EastExpert, did you get it to run well on your Uni? Was it compatible with VGA?
My test with MN|6, wasn't encouraging.
1st Out of memory.
Reset. Next 3 or 4 goes, it was very slow and lagging in switching between dialogue boxes to the point were it would be doing the same thing 3 times because you thought you had not pressed the on screen buttons.
It looked very nice and certainly more polished than TT, but certainly not something to use for your daily business unless someone comes up with a superROM with a large amount of free mem and no leakage.
You can use it, but you need to be really careful, press a button and sit there, wait for the result, then do the next thing. I'm going to try i-Go next, to see if it fits my needs better than TT.
Shame; MN|6 looked pretty cool.
Cheers
Fish
There is some interesting info at the thread I linked to earlier, some guy saying that according to Navigon support the Universal will be compatible with the next update for MN6. Exciting!
dape, yes I used to run MN|5 on my Uni. Granted, it wasn't without problems. When I went somewhere far away, I always soft reset the beast, otherwise it could easily run out of memory somewhere on the go.
Another thing that really peed me off was that if I tried to do something beyond usual navigation (i.e. enter the address and press go), like select a car park nearby, or a petrol station, it would start to mix new screen on top of the old one... same would happen if I were to enter next destination after having arrived at the first one -- clear signs for me (a long-ago former software developer) that there's not enough memory.
It was a properly bought version (used an upgrade offer from AA Navigator I've been using before) and I lived with it for several months, but never was quite content with the fact I hadn't free memory enough to run the program -- this could build an inferiority complex in some other person! . Then eventually I've gotten sick and tired of it and decided to seek for alternatives.
I dropped the forum link you provided into Babelfish to translate into English, and there was an interesting phrase there -- the sense was that there will be an update to MN|6 that will make it compatible. Hmm. That could be interesting! I guess I'll keep watching the arena!
UPDATE: You have just posted the same and you were faster
fishtastic, looks like your findings actually corroborate the theory of MN|6 being all too big for the usual memory amount in Universal.
One can't really work like that -- not freely using all the MN|6's advanced features and having to wait and soft reset without end.
iGO seems not an option for me yet -- all the reviews I've read mention far from ideal coverage of UK where I dwell. Nice software, though, I'll give it a go when the next version arrives.
O2 UK is now providing XDA Orbit (= HTC Artemis) and recommends ALK CoPilot 6 with it. I wasn't too impressed by its screenshots, looks like TomTom and iGo are better. Haven't got my mitts on a version of CoPilot I could install and try though. May be O2 had their reasons when selecting CoPilot for their XDA orbit.
P.S. I wonder what happens next -- me finding anything better than TomTom 6, or me moving to a next BMW with in-dash Sat-Nav support?... LOL
EastExpert said:
P.S. I wonder what happens next -- me finding anything better than TomTom 6, or me moving to the next BMW with Sat Nav in the dashboard?... LOL
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Are these BMWs that you speak of more or less expensive than a universal? And do run WM5? ;-)
Er, seriously, a lot of guys in work, have beemers and several use TT-ToGo, the only guy with dashboard satnav drives a Jag. Me being the poor IT guy doing the essbase and SQL Server stuff surrounded by these rich accountants catches the train to work. Boo.
I suppose the thing with TT is that it works fairly well. I just wish they would tart it up a bit and tidy the interface.
Oh well,
Good Luck to anyone else trying. Oh, I should have said before that I'm using the original shipping Rom on an O2 Exec from Nember 2005.
Cheers
Fish
Being in IT myself, and not a sales, solicitor or accountant, I think the first is more likely to happen and my next BMW would probably cost about as much as a new Universal...
Err... but I digress.
You're right about TT - it "just friggin' works", period. You just start it and it does what's on the tin. And compared to version 3 it's really a much better product (that was my previous experience with TT).
I'll be watching the space though - the hint about potential update that will support Execs is taken. Next iGO will be worth trying, I guess. And that's about it -- sometimes you just want to have something that works for a while
Many thanks to you guys for your feedback. Now, we know
Small addition:
MN|6 appears to switch off the power management i.e. the turn off the backlight after 3 mins bit. Confused me when I opened it and it was on.
Also, anyone with the problem with their battery is getting a bit old and turning off at 30odd%, if you have installed MN|6, at what point does it now do it at? Has it changed?
Cheers
Fish
The battery problem you mention is quite strange, because my 5 months old Uni suddenly started to turn of at about 30% power...
I can confirm that this is a battery problem, it has not anything to do with ROM version or something. Only a new battery solved my problem.
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The battery problem you mention is quite strange, because my 5 months old Uni suddenly started to turn of at about 30% power...
I can confirm that this is a battery problem, it has not anything to do with ROM version or something. Only a new battery solved my problem.
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Yes, it's well known that it's a battery problem, but mine went from 30-odd% to ~90% just after installing, that prompted the question. Personally I believe it's a coincidence that it changed so dramatically. My battery is 1 year and 3 months old and I think it's heart just gave out. I ordered a new battery a few days ago, before MN|6, and so hopefully it won't be too long before the new one arrives.
I was just wondering if anyone had experience such a jump? I'm guessing it is my battery's particular circumstances in this case.
Cheers
Fish
The whole thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267448 is dedicated to Exec battery problems. I have added my 2p there recently, too...
In a nutshell, it looks like even the original batteries have only about a year's life and then start to suck big time. And replacements from third parties are rare sh!te, most displaying problems with short life, having not enough energy to operate Exec's parts like phone or SD card too early, some always displaying charge at 100% and all of them not even approaching the stated capacity of 1750 mAh...
Only a few people tried to generalize, but I'd say: some report problems starting when they installed AKU 3.x from this forum, some blame charging via USB connection to PC, some blame just abysmal quality of batteries (probably true for 3rd party replacements), and some blame age (probably true, too - 1 year and then you gotta replace your battery or it gets less and less capacity until you get something like I have... unable to support phone already at 92% by meter and turning off at 85%...)
One day I'll just peddle it off eBay. I had many, many problems with this device. XDA I and II were (and II still is ) flawless and fast. I don't know what's wrong with Exec, but it was problems from the very beginning.
Good news!
With Ivan's new Rom (AKU3.5 beta 2), MN6 is working!!!!!
I installed MN6 to storage card, not to main memory.
I'm testing it for two days now, no problems at all.
I'm using Navigon's Trireceiver with tmc and even tmc works.
YOU SHOULD GIVE IT A TRY!
Best regards, Leo
Anyone have any comments based on experience with TomTom 6 and ALK's CoPilot 7
http://www.alk.com/press/releases/pr_021207.asp
Thanks for your comments.
I used CoPilot 6 before my x7500 arrived with TomTom. I like TomTom better.
Probably won't have a chance to use CoPilot 7 unless I get it as an upgrade for my girlfriends Universal, where I've not installed CoPilot 6. If I upgrade, which I may, I'll post the results.
CoPilot Live | Pocket PC 7 is out in 2 weeks.
This is vaguely relevant but I coulnd't find a better place to put it. According to CoPilot sales rep, it will be out within the next 2 weeks. They are taking pre-order now.
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Thank you for your interest in CoPilot products. To reserve your upgrade to version 7 please call the number listed below. It will be released within the next two weeks. We are taking pre orders right now.
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There is no comparison between CP6 and 7.
7 is so much better and IMHO much better than TT
Due to NDA I cant say much but I believ e it's worth waiting for but 2 weeks? I think that's a bit ambitious.
It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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I'll answer my own question - It's miles better. VGA mode actually works now.
There is currently a problem for me using the Live features, but ALK are aware of them and are working on them.
There was also a problem for me that I had bought a 2 year traffic subscription through T-Mobile and neither T-Mobile nor ALK would initially accept ownership of making this work. Initially ALK said that they saw no reason why they should honour the traffic subscription on CoPilot7 when it was originally bought for CoPilot6 from ALK through T-Mobile. However, as a gesture of goodwill they agreed to give me a half price upgrade on the traffic subscription.
The improvements are such that I think this is worth it.
internet access?
Does co-pilot 7 require internet/data access?
as far as i understand, tomtom6 you have preloaded maps on your sd card....does co-pilot work the same way?
copilot on experia x1
ive got copilot 7 running on sony experia X1, tried tomtom 7 on it and really didnt like the look of tomtom so in my opinion copilot wins hands down..... and oh, to get either tomtom or copilot to work flawlessly you need to disable assisted GPS............
Too bad they gave up Text To Speech on version 7! Otherwise, it would have been the best Navigation software ever! I am not surprised though. "We aim for mediocrity" is the common slogan for American businesses nowadays.
Am I right in thinking Garmin don't have a product anymore for Windows Mobile devices? Can't find anything on their UK website.
Cheers, Rob.
Yes, there are lots of info floating around that Garmin will not provide any further upgrades to GMXT. Guess they are focusing on their own Nuvifone.
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Yes, there are lots of info floating around that Garmin will not provide any further upgrades to GMXT. Guess they are focusing on their own Nuvifone.
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Having played a bit with the CoPilot Live 7 trial, it's not the end of the world. CoPilot looks pretty good to me, is a reasonable price and uses far less battery than my old copy of Garmin XT.
Cheers, Rob.
I have been using Garmin on WM5, 6.1 en now on the latest 6.5 ROMs. Always works great. It's unfortunate if they won't be supporting it in the future anymore (WM7?).
Just a potential warning to all who are interested in Co-Pilot, since I understand there is a demo on Leo. I BOUGHT Co-pilot, in an effort to get something with decent TTS, and it is a horror story for accuracy. Can't even get me to work or home without painfully messing up directions. That App itself is nicely done, as I am sure the demo indicates. Understand, this is NOT only a case of inaccurate maps (yes, I updated them, using the app's map updater) It actually showed tracks of me going down a differnt road than what I had used. VERY dissapointing.
I purchased Co-Pilot with US maps for my vacation in San Diego two weeks ago. I used it every day and was very satisfied. High accuracy. It only detoured me few times wanting me to take an exit on the freeway and then the entrance to the same freeway.
it works fine for me too did u download duttys copilot
I bought it and I'm very pleased so far. First software I've bought for a WinMo phone (not counting FPSECE but that was more of a donation.
ya i'm using it and found it more accurate than ndrive. sorry it didn't work out for you but i is fantastic for me.
I use and like Copilot as well. I had it on my Android phones befor the google navigation was released and still preffer it to googles free alternative.
...It was the first software I purchased when I got my HD2...has always been pleasing to use and accurate...sorry to hear you had bad luck with it.
Same here. It actually performs better than my TomTom, and plus it has free text-to-speech feature now, which is awesome.
I like it. For me its better that TomTom 7, and my old TomTom standalone. I have been very please w/ copilot, especially with the price.
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I like it. For me its better that TomTom 7, and my old TomTom standalone. I have been very please w/ copilot, especially with the price.
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hellz ya, i remember buying a magellan roadmate from costco for $1100
how times have changes huh?
I've been using copilot since january and I love it. Make sure you download the version from www.alk.com/htc. It is an updated version specific for HD2. Don't forget to get the link for free Text to Speach upgrade (http://www.alk.com/copilot/copilot8-tts.asp).
You guys should definitely try iGO 8. It's simply great! It has 3d view, TTS, plus the option to choose whether to use maps from NAVTEQ or TELE ATLAS, thus giving you plenty of choices. I'm pretty sure it should work just fine all over the US (near 100% map coverage from TA)
The us version of IGO8 is OnCourse Navigator 8. I used to have it. It was very good but required that you use their 8gb sd card and is $100. To me the 3d buildings was a bit of a gimmick. I can see where I am just fine on the maps without seeing the buildings.
Get a Garmin XT for WM... it's a great navi!
Ok, folks. Having read through this thread (clicky) and others, having learned about the variety of GPS solutions for navigation, I'm still trying to decide on which one is the right for me.
I've been using TomTom since my HX4700 days, migrated to TomTom on my Kaiser and now have been using it on my HD2 with with the 9192_V_Black_noBT cab which works great. The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward. It's been great, but it's time to move on.
Google maps is NOT an option because I travel in areas where data (and even cell signals in general) are unreliable due to topography. Whatever I choose must be a standalone product that uses the internal GPS hardware, though I completely understand that enhanced features like traffic and weather are data-dependent. The system will be used primarily in the Continental US. No plans to travel overseas, but I can't rule it out, either.
So I'm curious to know what you guys have decided on over time, and why.
If you vote(d) for TomTom, please indicate what your plans are for the future as the company has abandoned the WM platform and the probability of new features and continued usability on our devices becomes less likely due to the unavailability of 3rd party CABs for the system.
Looking forward to seeing your votes and reading your feedback.
I'm currently using Waze. It's free and it works. I'm sure some of the paid programs are better, but if you are looking for a free solution, check out Waze.
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The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward.
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Tomtom is abandoning the WM platform for one good reason - the WM platform itself is being abandoned. So your question doesn't make much sense as we can't talk about durability anyway. So for now continue using the Tomtom you're using now on your HD2. Then, as your next phone most likely won't be a WM6.5 phone anymore, you'll have to make that decision at that point for the new platform you'll choose anyway.
Who said Tomtom have abandoned Windows Mobile?
I Googled it but the only thing I managed to find was another xda thread where someone said : "TOMTOM has officially abandoned the US market for TOMTOM Navigator 7 and above, "Due to difficulties with US Cell Service providers""...
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Tomtom is abandoning the WM platform for one good reason - the WM platform itself is being abandoned.
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First I'm hearing about this. Links and references please? In the meantime, one other way to look at it is to pick a solution from the above based on what other OS platforms they support.
I haven't heard any confirmation of WM being abandoned, but it makes perfect sense, the platform is dying. Developers don't want to develop for a platform which, come the end of the year, will no longer be put on any devices. There is no decent centralised source of apps (marketplace hasn't changed what it offers in the 5 months I've had a HD2) which causes developers concern about who will ever find their app to buy in the first place. Add that to the growing number of consumers ditching WM for iOS4, Android 2.2 and yes eventually WMP7, and you've got yourself a corpse of an operating system on your hands. Now tell me why would you spend time and money developing software for an OS whose market share is dramatically shrinking and in no way guarantees you profit return?
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I haven't heard any confirmation of WM being abandoned, but it makes perfect sense, the platform is dying.
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I've been hearing this sort of 'rumor' about this platform since the days when it was called Windows CE while other OS's and platforms like EPOC for Psion others have fallen by the wayside. Yet here we are, almost two decades later, and there are ample apps on other sites than the Marketplace. So I'll ask everyone to please confine the discussion to the question asked, assume that Windows Mobile will still be around, and respond accordingly not on what might be, but what is for right now.
What are you using the GPS for? cant help you with street navigation but for hiking or 4wding i use Oziexplorer, I too once had a HX4700 for a few years and have been using Oziexplorer. You have to get your own maps and its not a street navigation type software. There are programs available to "rip" google maps and convert to maps usable by Ozi which works great!
BillTheCat rocks, lol!
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Ok, folks. Having read through this thread (clicky) and others, having learned about the variety of GPS solutions for navigation, I'm still trying to decide on which one is the right for me.
I've been using TomTom since my HX4700 days, migrated to TomTom on my Kaiser and now have been using it on my HD2 with with the 9192_V_Black_noBT cab which works great. The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward. It's been great, but it's time to move on.
Google maps is NOT an option because I travel in areas where data (and even cell signals in general) are unreliable due to topography. Whatever I choose must be a standalone product that uses the internal GPS hardware, though I completely understand that enhanced features like traffic and weather are data-dependent. The system will be used primarily in the Continental US. No plans to travel overseas, but I can't rule it out, either.
So I'm curious to know what you guys have decided on over time, and why.
If you vote(d) for TomTom, please indicate what your plans are for the future as the company has abandoned the WM platform and the probability of new features and continued usability on our devices becomes less likely due to the unavailability of 3rd party CABs for the system.
Looking forward to seeing your votes and reading your feedback.
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You do know that the Bing mobile app does have free turn by turn navigation with voice prompts, right?
richo, given the programs in the poll, it's for mobile navigation.
dipalonv, per my original post, it needs to be a standalone solution.
BillTheCat said:
richo, given the programs in the poll, it's for mobile navigation.
dipalonv, per my original post, it needs to be a standalone solution.
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My bad! You may want to look into CoPilot Live 8. I believe it's only $29.99 so not too bad price wise.
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I've been hearing this sort of 'rumor' about this platform since the days when it was called Windows CE while other OS's and platforms like EPOC for Psion others have fallen by the wayside. Yet here we are, almost two decades later, and there are ample apps on other sites than the Marketplace. So I'll ask everyone to please confine the discussion to the question asked, assume that Windows Mobile will still be around, and respond accordingly not on what might be, but what is for right now.
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Haven't you followed the WP7 discussions a couple of months ago?
Windows phone 7 series that is due to be out at the end of the year has been announced by Microsoft as being based on a new concept, that makes all existing WM applications incompatible, unlike with all the previous WM revisions you mention where applications were reuseable. So, everything will have to be reprogrammed for the new platform. So not only will you have to wait for it to be out to buy a compatible program, but also no provider of navigation software has so far announced they would make something for it AFAIK. So for that kind of software just like all others, there will most likely be no offering until the platform proves to be profitable and developers have the time to reprogram everything for the new it, just like iPhone users had to wait for more than 2 years before a standalone GPS solution was available.
WM6.5 will be kept in parallel, "for low-end devices". As you have an HD2, I doubt you'll go for a "low-end device" in the future. And developers are abandoning it simply because it won't be the little remaining WM6.5 bit that will earn them money, it's the new WP7S where "all the hype" is. It's the incompatibility that will bury WM6.5, developers won't lose their time writing a second separate app for the old WM6.5.
Sooo... don't count on long-term useability. What you get today will only last you until you change phone, unless you stick to the "lower-end" future phones to stay on WM6.5.
I've just come back from a road trip in the States, i drove 2500 miles, using Co Pilot Live 8, and it worked a treat, no problems at all, and for the price it's a good deal
Hi, tried to use Copilot, paid the license
results: hd2 jammed,sd card (32gb) unreadable, lost of photos and videos, softs no more working, and of course copilot. Each start of the prog brings new damages.
see no one having that....
don't find a solution outside of replacing with my original sd card
greetings
croquemor
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Haven't you followed the WP7 discussions a couple of months ago?
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No, I haven't followed that. Can we all please focus on the question that was asked instead of going off on tangents?