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Anyone have any comments based on experience with TomTom 6 and ALK's CoPilot 7
http://www.alk.com/press/releases/pr_021207.asp
Thanks for your comments.
I used CoPilot 6 before my x7500 arrived with TomTom. I like TomTom better.
Probably won't have a chance to use CoPilot 7 unless I get it as an upgrade for my girlfriends Universal, where I've not installed CoPilot 6. If I upgrade, which I may, I'll post the results.
CoPilot Live | Pocket PC 7 is out in 2 weeks.
This is vaguely relevant but I coulnd't find a better place to put it. According to CoPilot sales rep, it will be out within the next 2 weeks. They are taking pre-order now.
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Thank you for your interest in CoPilot products. To reserve your upgrade to version 7 please call the number listed below. It will be released within the next two weeks. We are taking pre orders right now.
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There is no comparison between CP6 and 7.
7 is so much better and IMHO much better than TT
Due to NDA I cant say much but I believ e it's worth waiting for but 2 weeks? I think that's a bit ambitious.
It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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I'll answer my own question - It's miles better. VGA mode actually works now.
There is currently a problem for me using the Live features, but ALK are aware of them and are working on them.
There was also a problem for me that I had bought a 2 year traffic subscription through T-Mobile and neither T-Mobile nor ALK would initially accept ownership of making this work. Initially ALK said that they saw no reason why they should honour the traffic subscription on CoPilot7 when it was originally bought for CoPilot6 from ALK through T-Mobile. However, as a gesture of goodwill they agreed to give me a half price upgrade on the traffic subscription.
The improvements are such that I think this is worth it.
internet access?
Does co-pilot 7 require internet/data access?
as far as i understand, tomtom6 you have preloaded maps on your sd card....does co-pilot work the same way?
copilot on experia x1
ive got copilot 7 running on sony experia X1, tried tomtom 7 on it and really didnt like the look of tomtom so in my opinion copilot wins hands down..... and oh, to get either tomtom or copilot to work flawlessly you need to disable assisted GPS............
Too bad they gave up Text To Speech on version 7! Otherwise, it would have been the best Navigation software ever! I am not surprised though. "We aim for mediocrity" is the common slogan for American businesses nowadays.
Yesterday Tomtom released the new navigator for the Diamond pro, it seems to be even a newer edition than the version 8, anybody now or this version will work on a diamond (not beeing a pro)
Willem
Wilsas said:
Yesterday Tomtom released the new navigator for the Diamond pro, it seems to be even a newer edition than the version 8, anybody now or this version will work on a diamond (not beeing a pro)
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where did you read it?
found a dutch reference
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/55296/tomtom-bundelt-nieuwe-navigator-met-htc-touch-pro.html
it would be available mid september on the dutch market it seems
Uhh this is a very nice news
Is there a dutch person here who can tell what exactly is mentioned in the text above? Will it even be the Navigator 8 or just a newer Navigator 7 version? Would be very interessting to know.
Well, I think that news is about "TomTom 7", as it mentions the successor to TomTom 6 is coming out. Do note that TT7 was not always preinstalled on the Diamond stock NLD ROMs. The article goes on to describe how TT7 will only be available in a bundle with the Touch Pro, and not as a seperate SD-software package. The comments include a lot of whining early adopters who then go into a discussion about that it's all HTC's fault and, despite that the fact they know early adopters always have to suffer this kind of stuff, that TomTom is to blame for all those people downloading TT7 now. Basically, they're acting pathetic and trying to justify their pirating.
Category 'weird and obsolete' news.
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Well, I think that news is about "TomTom 7", as it mentions the successor to TomTom 6 is coming out. Do note that TT7 was not always preinstalled on the Diamond stock NLD ROMs. The article goes on to describe how TT7 will only be available in a bundle with the Touch Pro, and not as a seperate SD-software package. The comments include a lot of whining early adopters who then go into a discussion about that it's all HTC's fault and, despite that the fact they know early adopters always have to suffer this kind of stuff, that TomTom is to blame for all those people downloading TT7 now. Basically, they're acting pathetic and trying to justify their pirating.
Category 'weird and obsolete' news.
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Oh, ok.
Thanks for your translation, even if I hoped for a different answer
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Oh, ok.
Thanks for your translation, even if I hoped for a different answer
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Heh, lets just hope they come with TT8 before the TT7 cards are considered ancient. I think I like TT7 for now.
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Heh, lets just hope they come with TT8 before the TT7 cards are considered ancient. I think I like TT7 for now.
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You're right
I really do like TT7, I tried iGo8 but nothing compares to the good old TomTom But the campatibility with the new maps is the point which really makes me hope they will release TT8 in the near future...
where are the maps tt8 but there aren´t yet tt8 for PDA http://www.foro-elrincondedey.com/descargas-mapas-v-8/279-coleccion-mapas-v8.html
i think the maps V8 work on TT7
Just a potential warning to all who are interested in Co-Pilot, since I understand there is a demo on Leo. I BOUGHT Co-pilot, in an effort to get something with decent TTS, and it is a horror story for accuracy. Can't even get me to work or home without painfully messing up directions. That App itself is nicely done, as I am sure the demo indicates. Understand, this is NOT only a case of inaccurate maps (yes, I updated them, using the app's map updater) It actually showed tracks of me going down a differnt road than what I had used. VERY dissapointing.
I purchased Co-Pilot with US maps for my vacation in San Diego two weeks ago. I used it every day and was very satisfied. High accuracy. It only detoured me few times wanting me to take an exit on the freeway and then the entrance to the same freeway.
it works fine for me too did u download duttys copilot
I bought it and I'm very pleased so far. First software I've bought for a WinMo phone (not counting FPSECE but that was more of a donation.
ya i'm using it and found it more accurate than ndrive. sorry it didn't work out for you but i is fantastic for me.
I use and like Copilot as well. I had it on my Android phones befor the google navigation was released and still preffer it to googles free alternative.
...It was the first software I purchased when I got my HD2...has always been pleasing to use and accurate...sorry to hear you had bad luck with it.
Same here. It actually performs better than my TomTom, and plus it has free text-to-speech feature now, which is awesome.
I like it. For me its better that TomTom 7, and my old TomTom standalone. I have been very please w/ copilot, especially with the price.
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I like it. For me its better that TomTom 7, and my old TomTom standalone. I have been very please w/ copilot, especially with the price.
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hellz ya, i remember buying a magellan roadmate from costco for $1100
how times have changes huh?
I've been using copilot since january and I love it. Make sure you download the version from www.alk.com/htc. It is an updated version specific for HD2. Don't forget to get the link for free Text to Speach upgrade (http://www.alk.com/copilot/copilot8-tts.asp).
You guys should definitely try iGO 8. It's simply great! It has 3d view, TTS, plus the option to choose whether to use maps from NAVTEQ or TELE ATLAS, thus giving you plenty of choices. I'm pretty sure it should work just fine all over the US (near 100% map coverage from TA)
The us version of IGO8 is OnCourse Navigator 8. I used to have it. It was very good but required that you use their 8gb sd card and is $100. To me the 3d buildings was a bit of a gimmick. I can see where I am just fine on the maps without seeing the buildings.
Get a Garmin XT for WM... it's a great navi!
Ok, folks. Having read through this thread (clicky) and others, having learned about the variety of GPS solutions for navigation, I'm still trying to decide on which one is the right for me.
I've been using TomTom since my HX4700 days, migrated to TomTom on my Kaiser and now have been using it on my HD2 with with the 9192_V_Black_noBT cab which works great. The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward. It's been great, but it's time to move on.
Google maps is NOT an option because I travel in areas where data (and even cell signals in general) are unreliable due to topography. Whatever I choose must be a standalone product that uses the internal GPS hardware, though I completely understand that enhanced features like traffic and weather are data-dependent. The system will be used primarily in the Continental US. No plans to travel overseas, but I can't rule it out, either.
So I'm curious to know what you guys have decided on over time, and why.
If you vote(d) for TomTom, please indicate what your plans are for the future as the company has abandoned the WM platform and the probability of new features and continued usability on our devices becomes less likely due to the unavailability of 3rd party CABs for the system.
Looking forward to seeing your votes and reading your feedback.
I'm currently using Waze. It's free and it works. I'm sure some of the paid programs are better, but if you are looking for a free solution, check out Waze.
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The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward.
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Tomtom is abandoning the WM platform for one good reason - the WM platform itself is being abandoned. So your question doesn't make much sense as we can't talk about durability anyway. So for now continue using the Tomtom you're using now on your HD2. Then, as your next phone most likely won't be a WM6.5 phone anymore, you'll have to make that decision at that point for the new platform you'll choose anyway.
Who said Tomtom have abandoned Windows Mobile?
I Googled it but the only thing I managed to find was another xda thread where someone said : "TOMTOM has officially abandoned the US market for TOMTOM Navigator 7 and above, "Due to difficulties with US Cell Service providers""...
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Tomtom is abandoning the WM platform for one good reason - the WM platform itself is being abandoned.
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First I'm hearing about this. Links and references please? In the meantime, one other way to look at it is to pick a solution from the above based on what other OS platforms they support.
I haven't heard any confirmation of WM being abandoned, but it makes perfect sense, the platform is dying. Developers don't want to develop for a platform which, come the end of the year, will no longer be put on any devices. There is no decent centralised source of apps (marketplace hasn't changed what it offers in the 5 months I've had a HD2) which causes developers concern about who will ever find their app to buy in the first place. Add that to the growing number of consumers ditching WM for iOS4, Android 2.2 and yes eventually WMP7, and you've got yourself a corpse of an operating system on your hands. Now tell me why would you spend time and money developing software for an OS whose market share is dramatically shrinking and in no way guarantees you profit return?
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I haven't heard any confirmation of WM being abandoned, but it makes perfect sense, the platform is dying.
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I've been hearing this sort of 'rumor' about this platform since the days when it was called Windows CE while other OS's and platforms like EPOC for Psion others have fallen by the wayside. Yet here we are, almost two decades later, and there are ample apps on other sites than the Marketplace. So I'll ask everyone to please confine the discussion to the question asked, assume that Windows Mobile will still be around, and respond accordingly not on what might be, but what is for right now.
What are you using the GPS for? cant help you with street navigation but for hiking or 4wding i use Oziexplorer, I too once had a HX4700 for a few years and have been using Oziexplorer. You have to get your own maps and its not a street navigation type software. There are programs available to "rip" google maps and convert to maps usable by Ozi which works great!
BillTheCat rocks, lol!
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Ok, folks. Having read through this thread (clicky) and others, having learned about the variety of GPS solutions for navigation, I'm still trying to decide on which one is the right for me.
I've been using TomTom since my HX4700 days, migrated to TomTom on my Kaiser and now have been using it on my HD2 with with the 9192_V_Black_noBT cab which works great. The reason I'm asking the question and posting the poll here is that now TomTom has decided to abandon the WM platform, I'm seeking a solution that I can rely on going forward. It's been great, but it's time to move on.
Google maps is NOT an option because I travel in areas where data (and even cell signals in general) are unreliable due to topography. Whatever I choose must be a standalone product that uses the internal GPS hardware, though I completely understand that enhanced features like traffic and weather are data-dependent. The system will be used primarily in the Continental US. No plans to travel overseas, but I can't rule it out, either.
So I'm curious to know what you guys have decided on over time, and why.
If you vote(d) for TomTom, please indicate what your plans are for the future as the company has abandoned the WM platform and the probability of new features and continued usability on our devices becomes less likely due to the unavailability of 3rd party CABs for the system.
Looking forward to seeing your votes and reading your feedback.
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You do know that the Bing mobile app does have free turn by turn navigation with voice prompts, right?
richo, given the programs in the poll, it's for mobile navigation.
dipalonv, per my original post, it needs to be a standalone solution.
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richo, given the programs in the poll, it's for mobile navigation.
dipalonv, per my original post, it needs to be a standalone solution.
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My bad! You may want to look into CoPilot Live 8. I believe it's only $29.99 so not too bad price wise.
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I've been hearing this sort of 'rumor' about this platform since the days when it was called Windows CE while other OS's and platforms like EPOC for Psion others have fallen by the wayside. Yet here we are, almost two decades later, and there are ample apps on other sites than the Marketplace. So I'll ask everyone to please confine the discussion to the question asked, assume that Windows Mobile will still be around, and respond accordingly not on what might be, but what is for right now.
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Haven't you followed the WP7 discussions a couple of months ago?
Windows phone 7 series that is due to be out at the end of the year has been announced by Microsoft as being based on a new concept, that makes all existing WM applications incompatible, unlike with all the previous WM revisions you mention where applications were reuseable. So, everything will have to be reprogrammed for the new platform. So not only will you have to wait for it to be out to buy a compatible program, but also no provider of navigation software has so far announced they would make something for it AFAIK. So for that kind of software just like all others, there will most likely be no offering until the platform proves to be profitable and developers have the time to reprogram everything for the new it, just like iPhone users had to wait for more than 2 years before a standalone GPS solution was available.
WM6.5 will be kept in parallel, "for low-end devices". As you have an HD2, I doubt you'll go for a "low-end device" in the future. And developers are abandoning it simply because it won't be the little remaining WM6.5 bit that will earn them money, it's the new WP7S where "all the hype" is. It's the incompatibility that will bury WM6.5, developers won't lose their time writing a second separate app for the old WM6.5.
Sooo... don't count on long-term useability. What you get today will only last you until you change phone, unless you stick to the "lower-end" future phones to stay on WM6.5.
I've just come back from a road trip in the States, i drove 2500 miles, using Co Pilot Live 8, and it worked a treat, no problems at all, and for the price it's a good deal
Hi, tried to use Copilot, paid the license
results: hd2 jammed,sd card (32gb) unreadable, lost of photos and videos, softs no more working, and of course copilot. Each start of the prog brings new damages.
see no one having that....
don't find a solution outside of replacing with my original sd card
greetings
croquemor
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Haven't you followed the WP7 discussions a couple of months ago?
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No, I haven't followed that. Can we all please focus on the question that was asked instead of going off on tangents?
I wonder if anyone can share their experience of using SGS2 as satnav with any of third-party software, which does not depends on mobile connection.
I've used it as a SatNav with Sygic and Navigon. Both works extremely well for me including fast lock time and also fast rerouting when I use other route instead.
So far, I say it is better than TomTom on the iPhone I use to have though it tends to use a little bit more battery than iPhone. With a charger, it will still drain the battery but at a very slow pace.
For the next few days CoPilot live new version is half price via the Android market .
http://blog.copilotlive.com/uk/2011/06/28/from-a-to-better-introducing-copilot-live-premium/
jje
Thanks a lot for the responses. Copilot offer looks interesting.
Is it ok to use a satnav app and listen to some music on teh phone simultaneously? What about answering calls while driving? Does it interrupt navigation?
Lets face it folks, android will never be up to the par of iphone until we get tomtom app. It really is that simple. TomTom is so much better than anything else available at the minute.
You can also use TeleNav for free on the SGS2 by following the instructions in this thread. It functions without cell towers which makes it better than Google Maps in certain situations. (Note: I didn't check international support)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139482
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Lets face it folks, android will never be up to the par of iphone until we get tomtom app. It really is that simple. TomTom is so much better than anything else available at the minute.
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Matter of opinion really mate , can i ask why you rate tomtom so far ahead of others?? i admit the ui is simple and easy to use but co-pilot for example is a great piece of software .
When i had an iphone4 i went for co-pilot and not tomtom , i just think tomtom is over-priced compared to others
Its good for sure but so are the others avalible . Its all personal preference really but i doubt i would buy tomtom for android
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Matter of opinion really mate , can i ask why you rate tomtom so far ahead of others?? i admit the ui is simple and easy to use but co-pilot for example is a great piece of software .
When i had an iphone4 i went for co-pilot and not tomtom , i just think tomtom is over-priced compared to others
Its good for sure but so are the others avalible . Its all personal preference really but i doubt i would buy tomtom for android
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For me: IQ Routes. The best route calculation I've ever seen, whereas other apps just don't get it quite right or just come up with horrible routes.
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For me: IQ Routes. The best route calculation I've ever seen, whereas other apps just don't get it quite right or just come up with horrible routes.
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Its is well in front especially if you have the live traffic updates etc .
jje
I just used it for a 900-mile trip from Georgia to Iowa, using CoPilot Live 8, and it worked very well. For the money, CPL is the best navigation solution, at least in North America where the maps are pretty current. Google Navigation is pretty good too, although it's dependent on having a data connection to download maps, which can be an issue if you're driving in less-populated areas.
I downloaded the new CoPilot Premium USA package (CPL9) last night & used it on a short local trip this morning; the new version works at least as well as the old version.
As far as listening to music or handling phone calls while navigating, I didn't get a chance to test that on this trip. On previous trips, I've done both while navigating -- however, that was with CoPilot 8 on a WinMo phone. I suspect the phone's OS has a lot to do with this capability, and I haven't used Android long enough to know if it's up to the task; I suspect it will be, especially once the OS takes multi-cores into account.
If tomtom don't want to program their app for android, given the popularity of the platform, then its their loss TBH.
Going to Cyprus in a month or so and was wondering about SatNav as I'm hiring a car while we're there...
I was going to buy a 'block' of international data roaming that you can buy when on hols for the times when needing Internet access...but are there any cheaper short-term alternatives I shoulkd be thinking of?
Co-Pilot or Google Maps....??
Edit: CoPilot nor GM not coming up with any guidance for Cyprus!! This suprises me with the amount of people that head over to these type of holiday destinations, they could really be missing out on some serious revenue.... :-(
Don't forget that Google Maps is going offline soon!
engadget.com/2011/06/08/google-maps-navigation-to-go-offline-this-summer-garmin-and-tom I CANNOT POST LINKS YET
Quote "Dutch tech site All About Phones claims that Google Maps Navigation will get a true offline mode later this summer. In December the Android app received an update that cached routes and the surrounding areas, but without a data connection you still couldn't enter a new destination. A source inside the Dutch telco industry said that Goog would removing the requirement for coverage -- an obvious next step for the nav tool, especially with Ovi Maps bringing its turn-by-turn prowess to WP7. The move is also bound to be another thorn in the side of standalone GPS makers like Garmin and TomTom. After all, it's tough to compete with free."
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engadget.com/2011/06/08/google-maps-navigation-to-go-offline-this-summer-garmin-and-tom I CANNOT POST LINKS YET
Quote "Dutch tech site All About Phones claims that Google Maps Navigation will get a true offline mode later this summer. In December the Android app received an update that cached routes and the surrounding areas, but without a data connection you still couldn't enter a new destination. A source inside the Dutch telco industry said that Goog would removing the requirement for coverage -- an obvious next step for the nav tool, especially with Ovi Maps bringing its turn-by-turn prowess to WP7. The move is also bound to be another thorn in the side of standalone GPS makers like Garmin and TomTom. After all, it's tough to compete with free."
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Yeh, it coudl put off some people from buying satnav apps or devices. However, I think it is more about functionality and paid apps could provide some more worth paying for.
Wanted to take up this CoPilot offer yesterday evening but was put off by poor reviews. People were complaining about the new version being not as good as the previous, problems with regestering and downloading maps. Still probably buy it over the weekend.
I have been using Sygic Aura for a while now, and the previous version since my Nokia 5800. The Aura version is a real eye-candy, super fast, 3D buildings, but the routing - at least in Brussels - can be a bit weird but it will get you there.
I installed Copilot Live Premium for Europe - the UI is not as nice as Sygic, but the routing seems more normal (for Brussels) - no better or worse than Google Navigation.
I Would like to see Garmin on my S2..
I Am using copilot on my S2 and it works very well....
TomTom - Dont go there!
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Yeh, it coudl put off some people from buying satnav apps or devices. However, I think it is more about functionality and paid apps could provide some more worth paying for.
Wanted to take up this CoPilot offer yesterday evening but was put off by poor reviews. People were complaining about the new version being not as good as the previous, problems with regestering and downloading maps. Still probably buy it over the weekend.
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Got it yesterday, but only because of price reduction (EU 29 £)
The good:
Registration ... no problem
Download 4 GB maps ... no problem
Basic navigation ... no problem
The bad:
Missing integration with Contact (invoke navigation from within Contact Apps) ... embarrassing!
Facebook/Twitter crap ... annoying
POI import impossible (bug) ... annoying Edit: should be corrected http://getsatisfaction.com/copilotlive/topics/can_no_longer_add_pois_with_v9
Streetname text too small ... annoying
Hi must say that I am hoping that TomTom will come to Android. I use Co-Pilot and/or Google Navigation at the moment, and find that sometimes junctions get confusing, because the app doesn't zoom in sufficiently.
When I used to use TomTom on my old Windows Mobile Xperia X1, the program would zoom right in on junctions, making it easier to see where I need to go.
A few times on Co-Pilot/Google Navigation, I have got in a pickle on a Roundabout, meaning I have to around it twice to get the correct exit.
Does anyone else have this problem, and is anyone aware of a SatNav app that is as good as TomTom in this regard?
Cheers
Bcfaigg
TomTom is coming for Android
TomTom's Corrinne Vigreux (MD) says a TomTom app for Android is coming soon.
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/We-Meet-TomToms-MD-Corinne-Vigreux-Before-Break-Free-Event-8910.php
HOWEVER she may be confusing it with Route66 which is coming for Android soon and is using TomTom maps (aka Tele-Atlas). As everyone knows - this is VERY far from the same thing. So lets hope she is not making such a crucial mistake.