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Hello fellow Uni users,
I could see quite a lot of people referring to them using TomTom 6 (and yes it also is listed on tomtom.com in the list of compatible devices). However I preferred MN5 over TomTom earlier on due to refined interface and NAVTEQ maps (which are so much better than TeleAtlas, in my opinion and from my experience of course).
My grudge against it was that it consumes lots of RAM and can't free it up easily (except Quitting and restarting software). But I managed to get it working all right on my Universal.
I waited for MN|6 for PDA's quite a long time. They have released PNA's with MN|6, then a version for Symbians, but no luck for PDA. And recently their web site began to take preliminary orders for VERSION 6, T.B.D. on December 28th.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw that the website lists no Exec under O2 brand, and if you select (similar) MDA Pro, it says "this model is unsupported!"
Well... AA Navigator was also unsupported under XDA II, but I made it work.
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* I wonder if anybody has used NAVIGON Mobile Navigator|5 on their Universals?
* I would appreciate if anybody who gets their paws on MN|6 (may be for their other PDA's) would let us know their experiences of using it on the Universal. Don't want to waste £100 on something that most probably won't work or will work with limitations...
* I wonder if the reason for no support is because Universal is low on available RAM? In this case all you need is just to soft reset your PDA before going somewhere. IF - that's a big IF - MN|6 just needs more RAM in which case... TOUGH
* I would appreciate if you note which Sat Nav software do you use for your Universals - I can guess TomTom 6 will be in the list.
But, any others?
I tried running this PNA version on my Qtek 9000, but it didnt work at all. used tweaks i found somewhere, but never passed the startup screen...
Was there a release planed for PDAs?
Dunno if the navigon 6 maps work on navigon 5?!
HansiHusten said:
I tried running this PNA version on my Qtek 9000, but it didnt work at all. used tweaks i found somewhere, but never passed the startup screen...
Was there a release planed for PDAs?
Dunno if the navigon 6 maps work on navigon 5?!
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Well, MN|6 for PDA's can be ordered from Navigon beginning on 28th December. The b***ers delayed the PDA release so they could crop the PNA market and then Symbian Mobile phones. Now looks like the time has come.
The problem is, they say MN|6 is not supported on MDA Pro - a similar class device and since I think that may be due to enormous amount of RAM it uses while running (MN|5 kept drawing memory with each search or map zoom, so it was best to quit after you got there and start anew - that somehow reclaimed the memory) and lack of RAM within Universal.
Anyway I am not ready to pay £100 for upgrade before I know for sure it works on Exec. I own MN|5 but upgrade incentive is disappointing -- just £25 off the regular price...
If MN|6 requires more memory even and doesn't like the Exec, I'll have but three choices -- drop it altogether and move to TomTom (likely) or CoPilot (unlikely), stay with MN|5 (bo-o-oring! ) or get myself a new XDA Orbit (unlikely )
Mhh.... ur sure it will use much more RAM?
Lets just wait and see, i´m optimistic Navigon 5 with latest update runs realy great and i wont stop trying V6 until i get it to run, awesome app, better than tomtom imho.
HansiHusten said:
Mhh.... ur sure it will use much more RAM?
Lets just wait and see, i´m optimistic Navigon 5 with latest update runs realy great and i wont stop trying V6 until i get it to run, awesome app, better than tomtom imho.
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I agree with you that it's better made than TomTom. You can see all signs of a luxury sat nav system -- and TomTom is deffo lacking refinement. Voice destination entry is just awesome, very convenient and people's jaws drop.
Navigon 5 ran more or less OK, albeit after you finish your destination it always failed to release memory - it requires lots of RAM to operate, so if I were going somewhere far away, I'd always softreset my system beforehand.
I tried to think why would it be incompatible, and some cheaper WM5 models would be. Definitely not CPU. Hardly also incompatible due to Bluetooth issues, even though for some models you'd see partial compatibility -- as in "incompatible with BiCeiver". I doubt they'd screw up Bluetooth stack from a perfectly working version in MN|5. So for now I'd blame it on MN|6 requiring more RAM to run -- and the Universal is famously low on memory especially in standard setup (non-Corporate mode), but that's only my guess. If that's the case, in Corporate mode there should be no problems running it.
Anyway, I've sent a message to Navigon asking why exactly is MN|6 not compatible with Universal. Hope to get an enlightening answer.
And yes, I'll be willing to try it all right and if it works properly after my tweaks, just buy it like I did with MN|5. Right now, a Torrent with what poses as "MN|6 für PDA" is stalled at 94% working since 20th...
Merry Christmas!
Official answer from Navigon support team
"Dear Mr. <EastExpert>,
thank you for your request and your interest in Mobile Navigator 6.
We regret to inform you that none of the following HTC Universal clones
is compatible with NAVIGON's latest PDA navigation solution (MN|6):
- O2 XDA Exec
- Qtek 9000
- T-Mobile MDA Pro
- Vodafone VPA IV
Whether the incompatibility of the HTC Universal clones is due to there
hardware architecture, their ROM image or both is unknown to the support
team. Sorry.
With kind regards
__________________
Navigon Support Team
A. M*******" (name provided)
So, they are SORRY.
For feck's sake, is it not enough that Universals cost about £600, must I buy again - some PNA - just to keep up with new version?!
Hardly.
I call bullsh*t. I'll believe this when I'll install MN|6 onto my device and it refuses to work outright. Before that, the question will remain open as to whether it works with Universals.
I'll have a look on TomTom 6 and CoPilot that will come with XDA Orbits... only CoPilot is nowhere to be found for trials... more work to do therefore!
Just to let you know, MN|6 for PDA's is now available on the markets (white and black as well).
Now I gotta find somebody to test MN|6 on their Exec to prove or disprove the "not supported" claim.
I have been waiting for Navigon MN6 too, since Navigon MN5 has the best street coverage in Sweden where I live.
I have also been testing TomTom 6 and I-Go 2006 and I am very satisfied with I-Go when it comes to speed and flexibility. Simply the best navigation solution right now.
But since the street coverage in MN5 was really good I had to test the new MN6 and went out and bought it to day.
Just as I thought MN6 was compatible with my Universal. It would install and start well and the interface is clean and easy to navigate.
The street coverage is also very good as I thought it would be.
BUT, and there is a big BUT, the SPEED! MN6 is painfully slow, the animated menus and especially when browsing the map. Sometimes you have to wait seconds for things to happen. I dont know if this is a problem with the Universal, but I dont think so, it has enough processing power and memory.
Speed was one of the disadvantages with MN5 when I used it on my WM2003 PPC, and speed is why I will go back to I-Go today. I-Go is so much smoother... Sorry MN6!
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BUT, and there is a big BUT, the SPEED! MN6 is painfully slow, the animated menus and especially when browsing the map. Sometimes you have to wait seconds for things to happen. I dont know if this is a problem with the Universal, but I dont think so, it has enough processing power and memory.
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That, my friend, is what I suspected... The program itself would run, but Universals are famous for their lack of RAM to operate programs. Even MN|5 required so much memory, it would leave 4-6 out of 22-24 available... shame actually, 'cause the program was really lovely and had that "luxury" feeling oozing from it. I guess MN|6 requires even more, probably as much as 20+MB. This makes a lot of swapping and this is probably why you experienced such slow operation... -- and why the NAVIGON decided to deem Universals incompatible. The processing power in Uni is abundant - Bulverde 520MHz is not bad at all!
For comparison, TomTom 6, which I decided to try as an alternative, happily lives in 6-8 MB (not forgetting to give the memory used by it back at the end of the session). Having seen this, I reenabled PocketBreeze on my XDA Exec and it still has plenty of memory to operate -- I feel so much happier after these few months... I intend to try playing MP3 while navigating and see how it fares along. Pure tests
Also TomTom showed Tunnel mode, availability of TomTom Plus service where you can subscribe for ~£33 for a year of Traffic updates (via mere GPRS - no need to buy yet another £170-210 TMC-enabled receiver!) and Speed (err, Safety) Camera updates... that's nothing if you ask me Operated very fast in my tests, 2-3 seconds long route recalculations, convenient & configurable menus (yes, you can make your own ONLINE!).
You also get camera data freely available from the Net if you don't feel like paying for TomTom Plus subscription. Other things I liked about TomTom is gradually increasing precision as you approach the maneuvre point (.1 miles then .05 then 50 yds then 25 etc... till 5), Race Against Time mode where you enter time you wish to be at your destination and it shows you how are you faring on it! Also very sensible routing algorithms (btw compared to MN|5 -- I just get there faster!). What totally killed me was Full UK Postcode search that just required me to copy a few files into installation directory and it worked straight away! Only AA Navigator had a comparable Full UK Postcode database... the problem is, it didn't support Address search (as in "Town/Street/Number" mode). So TomTom won here as well.
Re: iGO 2006, some colleagues of mine have tried it and have split feelings: 1) the program they say is just excellent, but 2) the map coverage in the UK where we are is disappointingly incomplete. I guess this is just a teething problem (growth problem) since iGO was designed in Hungary, so they say its Eastern European coverage is much better. And I think iGO definitely has future. I read the manual and was pleasantly impressed by amount of features available. (And a bit disappointed by reviews that said UK coverage is currently far from perfect).
In other words, I now have moved to TomTom 6 for now.
As for MN|6, seems like while we retain our Universals, we're in the ditch with it. Oh, tough. Until there's a comparable device (VGA and Phone and GPRS and 3G and WiFi and even GPS may be) -- I'll cling to my Universal.
Seems like I was wrong about the compatibility after all...
I have done some more testing here and it seems like it is the Universals lack of RAM thats the problem.
When I tried to do some door-to-door navigation with MN6 the Uni gave me memory allocation errors or it would simply freeze.
I have Helmis AKU 3.5 ROM and about 22 MB RAM free after soft-reset. Maybe I should try with Ivans, I read in his thread that with his ROM you start with about 30 MB free.
But I am not sure that would solve the problem, I found this thread and some people there have been testing MN6 with Ivans ROM.
http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=102846
By the way, I cant belive that MN6 is eating so much RAM. They have had a couple of years do redesign MN5 but still it needs more then twice as much as TomTom.
Since Navgions maps are the best where I live, I am thinking about trying MN5. EastExpert, did you get it to run well on your Uni? Was it compatible with VGA?
My test with MN|6, wasn't encouraging.
1st Out of memory.
Reset. Next 3 or 4 goes, it was very slow and lagging in switching between dialogue boxes to the point were it would be doing the same thing 3 times because you thought you had not pressed the on screen buttons.
It looked very nice and certainly more polished than TT, but certainly not something to use for your daily business unless someone comes up with a superROM with a large amount of free mem and no leakage.
You can use it, but you need to be really careful, press a button and sit there, wait for the result, then do the next thing. I'm going to try i-Go next, to see if it fits my needs better than TT.
Shame; MN|6 looked pretty cool.
Cheers
Fish
There is some interesting info at the thread I linked to earlier, some guy saying that according to Navigon support the Universal will be compatible with the next update for MN6. Exciting!
dape, yes I used to run MN|5 on my Uni. Granted, it wasn't without problems. When I went somewhere far away, I always soft reset the beast, otherwise it could easily run out of memory somewhere on the go.
Another thing that really peed me off was that if I tried to do something beyond usual navigation (i.e. enter the address and press go), like select a car park nearby, or a petrol station, it would start to mix new screen on top of the old one... same would happen if I were to enter next destination after having arrived at the first one -- clear signs for me (a long-ago former software developer) that there's not enough memory.
It was a properly bought version (used an upgrade offer from AA Navigator I've been using before) and I lived with it for several months, but never was quite content with the fact I hadn't free memory enough to run the program -- this could build an inferiority complex in some other person! . Then eventually I've gotten sick and tired of it and decided to seek for alternatives.
I dropped the forum link you provided into Babelfish to translate into English, and there was an interesting phrase there -- the sense was that there will be an update to MN|6 that will make it compatible. Hmm. That could be interesting! I guess I'll keep watching the arena!
UPDATE: You have just posted the same and you were faster
fishtastic, looks like your findings actually corroborate the theory of MN|6 being all too big for the usual memory amount in Universal.
One can't really work like that -- not freely using all the MN|6's advanced features and having to wait and soft reset without end.
iGO seems not an option for me yet -- all the reviews I've read mention far from ideal coverage of UK where I dwell. Nice software, though, I'll give it a go when the next version arrives.
O2 UK is now providing XDA Orbit (= HTC Artemis) and recommends ALK CoPilot 6 with it. I wasn't too impressed by its screenshots, looks like TomTom and iGo are better. Haven't got my mitts on a version of CoPilot I could install and try though. May be O2 had their reasons when selecting CoPilot for their XDA orbit.
P.S. I wonder what happens next -- me finding anything better than TomTom 6, or me moving to a next BMW with in-dash Sat-Nav support?... LOL
EastExpert said:
P.S. I wonder what happens next -- me finding anything better than TomTom 6, or me moving to the next BMW with Sat Nav in the dashboard?... LOL
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Are these BMWs that you speak of more or less expensive than a universal? And do run WM5? ;-)
Er, seriously, a lot of guys in work, have beemers and several use TT-ToGo, the only guy with dashboard satnav drives a Jag. Me being the poor IT guy doing the essbase and SQL Server stuff surrounded by these rich accountants catches the train to work. Boo.
I suppose the thing with TT is that it works fairly well. I just wish they would tart it up a bit and tidy the interface.
Oh well,
Good Luck to anyone else trying. Oh, I should have said before that I'm using the original shipping Rom on an O2 Exec from Nember 2005.
Cheers
Fish
Being in IT myself, and not a sales, solicitor or accountant, I think the first is more likely to happen and my next BMW would probably cost about as much as a new Universal...
Err... but I digress.
You're right about TT - it "just friggin' works", period. You just start it and it does what's on the tin. And compared to version 3 it's really a much better product (that was my previous experience with TT).
I'll be watching the space though - the hint about potential update that will support Execs is taken. Next iGO will be worth trying, I guess. And that's about it -- sometimes you just want to have something that works for a while
Many thanks to you guys for your feedback. Now, we know
Small addition:
MN|6 appears to switch off the power management i.e. the turn off the backlight after 3 mins bit. Confused me when I opened it and it was on.
Also, anyone with the problem with their battery is getting a bit old and turning off at 30odd%, if you have installed MN|6, at what point does it now do it at? Has it changed?
Cheers
Fish
The battery problem you mention is quite strange, because my 5 months old Uni suddenly started to turn of at about 30% power...
I can confirm that this is a battery problem, it has not anything to do with ROM version or something. Only a new battery solved my problem.
dape16 said:
The battery problem you mention is quite strange, because my 5 months old Uni suddenly started to turn of at about 30% power...
I can confirm that this is a battery problem, it has not anything to do with ROM version or something. Only a new battery solved my problem.
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Yes, it's well known that it's a battery problem, but mine went from 30-odd% to ~90% just after installing, that prompted the question. Personally I believe it's a coincidence that it changed so dramatically. My battery is 1 year and 3 months old and I think it's heart just gave out. I ordered a new battery a few days ago, before MN|6, and so hopefully it won't be too long before the new one arrives.
I was just wondering if anyone had experience such a jump? I'm guessing it is my battery's particular circumstances in this case.
Cheers
Fish
The whole thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=267448 is dedicated to Exec battery problems. I have added my 2p there recently, too...
In a nutshell, it looks like even the original batteries have only about a year's life and then start to suck big time. And replacements from third parties are rare sh!te, most displaying problems with short life, having not enough energy to operate Exec's parts like phone or SD card too early, some always displaying charge at 100% and all of them not even approaching the stated capacity of 1750 mAh...
Only a few people tried to generalize, but I'd say: some report problems starting when they installed AKU 3.x from this forum, some blame charging via USB connection to PC, some blame just abysmal quality of batteries (probably true for 3rd party replacements), and some blame age (probably true, too - 1 year and then you gotta replace your battery or it gets less and less capacity until you get something like I have... unable to support phone already at 92% by meter and turning off at 85%...)
One day I'll just peddle it off eBay. I had many, many problems with this device. XDA I and II were (and II still is ) flawless and fast. I don't know what's wrong with Exec, but it was problems from the very beginning.
Good news!
With Ivan's new Rom (AKU3.5 beta 2), MN6 is working!!!!!
I installed MN6 to storage card, not to main memory.
I'm testing it for two days now, no problems at all.
I'm using Navigon's Trireceiver with tmc and even tmc works.
YOU SHOULD GIVE IT A TRY!
Best regards, Leo
Anyone have any comments based on experience with TomTom 6 and ALK's CoPilot 7
http://www.alk.com/press/releases/pr_021207.asp
Thanks for your comments.
I used CoPilot 6 before my x7500 arrived with TomTom. I like TomTom better.
Probably won't have a chance to use CoPilot 7 unless I get it as an upgrade for my girlfriends Universal, where I've not installed CoPilot 6. If I upgrade, which I may, I'll post the results.
CoPilot Live | Pocket PC 7 is out in 2 weeks.
This is vaguely relevant but I coulnd't find a better place to put it. According to CoPilot sales rep, it will be out within the next 2 weeks. They are taking pre-order now.
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Thank you for your interest in CoPilot products. To reserve your upgrade to version 7 please call the number listed below. It will be released within the next two weeks. We are taking pre orders right now.
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Gregory Gonedes
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There is no comparison between CP6 and 7.
7 is so much better and IMHO much better than TT
Due to NDA I cant say much but I believ e it's worth waiting for but 2 weeks? I think that's a bit ambitious.
It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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It is now released http://www.alk.com/copilot/
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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Before I order, does anyone know if it is compatible with RealVGA in 96dpi mode?
Allegedly Copilot 6 Live is VGA compatible according to Alk website, but it doesn't work well on my PK3.0 flashed device. The map sort of works, but all the status information at the bottom of the screen is missing, and the menus are hard to follow.
It's marginally better if you install from CD rather than from the microsd card, but it still isn't fully functional.
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I'll answer my own question - It's miles better. VGA mode actually works now.
There is currently a problem for me using the Live features, but ALK are aware of them and are working on them.
There was also a problem for me that I had bought a 2 year traffic subscription through T-Mobile and neither T-Mobile nor ALK would initially accept ownership of making this work. Initially ALK said that they saw no reason why they should honour the traffic subscription on CoPilot7 when it was originally bought for CoPilot6 from ALK through T-Mobile. However, as a gesture of goodwill they agreed to give me a half price upgrade on the traffic subscription.
The improvements are such that I think this is worth it.
internet access?
Does co-pilot 7 require internet/data access?
as far as i understand, tomtom6 you have preloaded maps on your sd card....does co-pilot work the same way?
copilot on experia x1
ive got copilot 7 running on sony experia X1, tried tomtom 7 on it and really didnt like the look of tomtom so in my opinion copilot wins hands down..... and oh, to get either tomtom or copilot to work flawlessly you need to disable assisted GPS............
Too bad they gave up Text To Speech on version 7! Otherwise, it would have been the best Navigation software ever! I am not surprised though. "We aim for mediocrity" is the common slogan for American businesses nowadays.
I recently shelved my old and trusty Kaiser and have to say, even tough I was very sceptical about switching I am very please to own the best phone I've ever had!!
However, one thing that is stopping me from putting the Kaiser totally away is the lack of a Turn By Turn satnav program such as tomtom, igo, garmin etc.
Andnav1 and andnav2 are the likely options, but unfortunately andnav1 doesn't fit becuase of the maps issue and it looks like andnav2 is a long way off.
Does anyone know any similar satnav programs that are available for the G1?
Thanks for any help in advance!!!
(oh yes, I have searched the obvious terms but nothing useful came up)
I am in exactly the same situation too!
my g1 comes tomorrow... and bye to kaiser with tomtom - waaahh!
wow
monthly paying model - hell no.
I just don't think Brits would buy into that - (big guess) think that Brits like to own the thing- regardless of size of one off payment!
cheers for info!
wow
monthly paying model - hell no.
I just don't think Brits would buy into that - (big guess) think that Brits like to own the thing- regardless of size of one off payment!
cheers for info!
little_rock said:
wow
monthly paying model - hell no.
I just don't think Brits would buy into that - (big guess) think that Brits like to own the thing- regardless of size of one off payment!
cheers for info!
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There's a fee for the traffic on TomTom. Telenav has traffic updates as well. So it's really a decent alternative in my opinion. But I do perfer TomTom over Telenav anyday.
sure, for thre traffic, i grok the purpose of a sub based model - but not for a non traffic system!
And agree - damned tomtom - once you have used it - everything else seems sh!te
Well one solution you could do which I did until my Kaiser broke is use the Kaiser just as a PDA. I turned off the phone feature in comms and just used it as a PDA when needed. When I went on trips that I needed GPS I just used my Kaiser with Garmin. It did the trick, plus I was able to keep the Kaiser in a car mount while keeping my G1 free to use. Just a thought.
I love it! that wsy I don't have to say gbye to my trusty kaiser... *sniff*
cheers for statign "The Elusive Obvious" as Moshe Feldenkrais said...
I used TeleNav and it's slow and not very accurate (may be related to G1's GPS). My problem is that I don't need traffic updates, POI or any other crap. I just want turn-by-turn directions from point A to point B with real time rerouting. I am OK with storing all of the maps on my SD (hell, my tomtom has 1GB card and does it perfectly, I think I can allocate 1GB for that), I would actually prefer all maps on SD so I don't have to rely on data connection.
Come on now, I can get TomTom One for about $100 new. It will include device itself, car mount, car charger, SD with maps, data cable and, I think, home charger. I already have 5 out 6 (device, cables, mount) so what's stopping them from coming out with a software like that? I would gladly pay $50 for it up front.
Just my 2 cents. I'm sure it was discussed somewhere before but I just need to take out my frustration.
Thank you all for reading
I'm with you on this.. in fact, brand wise, I reckon biz partnering google would be a damn smart move by tom tom... in my map of the world, they kinda fit nicely
I just personally loathe TeleAtlas (Google's map provider). 50% of the time, it has me driving alllllll over to get to the wrong address.
we're screwed then!
Possibly not screwed
The stand-alone TomTom units run on a modified Linux kernel i believe, therefore it shouldn't be too difficult to port to Android.
However if you look at it from TomTom's perspective why would any business invest development time and resources to develope a product for a very new platform that currently only runs on a single device available from one provider. Not exactly good business sense in my opinion.
yeah, that's true too - tho i think longer term, such a relationship would be beneficial! hey ho...
Wow lot of repsonses. Didn;t know the telnav and being a Brit, there is no way in hell I'm paying monthly for it. I'd prefer to pay $100 just for the software and own - I can see why you'd pay for traffic but it doesn't bother me enough to pay for it - I'll just deviate from the congested roads and tomtom would suggest a new route in real time.
I am lugging around my old kaiser at the moment because google maps with directions just doesn't cut it escpecially at 70mph when you can't afford to try squinting at the maps to figure out where the exit is.
Bringing my kaiser defeats the whole point - the G1 has good gps and cell triangulation (it actually finds a fix quicker than my kaiser) so why can;t someone just bring out a ported version of tomtom? I also don't want to have a stand alone unit for the same reasons, not to mention security.
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why can;t someone just bring out a ported version of tomtom?
It would have to be TomTom themselves for it to be legal i think and as I said I unfortunately can't see that happening anytime soon
However there is an open source offshoot - http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page
This potentially could be worked into something usable on Android.
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dude I agree - am doing same with kaiser myself - couldn't agree more with what you've said here...
Bah!
Cmon guys pull your corporate fingers outta ya rect0ids
telnav only works for tmob users as of now, they claim they will release a single version later for other users. i pay for telnav on att but have to use lesser programs till they get it open.
Hope I won't be threadcrapping by throwing in my 2 cents.
Long time Windows Mobile user who just today was told by a G1 user that she HATES her phone. She saw my Touch Cruise and said she'd LOVE to trade. Not knowing much about the G1, I've been doing my research and overall it looks like a solid phone.
The few things I'm concerned about...
1) As mentioned here, the lack of "turn-by turn direction" software. I've used iGuidance for YEARS on my Windows Mobile phones. It's the best I've found and I've used it in Washington (State), Oregon, Nevada, Illinois... it works GREAT! But I would hate to trade my Touch Cruise and have to go without or pay a monthly fee.
2) A2DP - I dont' use it all the time, but I like it for in my car.
Any additional info is appreciated!
I can't answer so much for the navigation... but I use the A2DP on 1.5 for music with my headphone and it works pretty well, even the buttons on the side of the headphones work properly too.
Hello everyone
Here's the deal: I live in Costa Rica. The only fricking map, which is actually complete for my country, is sold by Nav Sat, and it's only in Garmin format.
I've been looking around, some free and also some non-free options for navigation here, but I haven't been able to find a map that is as complete as the one offered by Nav Sat. Not even one with the correct road directions (which is a huge deal, off course).
Does anyone know of an android application that can use the Garmin map format, or a format to which the garmin maps can be converted? I know there are some PC apps that can be used to convert the GMASUPP.IMG file to other formats, but I haven't had any luck with them either.
I don't mind if I have to pay for the App. I already paid for the map, and I just want to find a way to make it work.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Oh well, I can't say I didn't expect this happening, in fact I kind of knew from the beginning, but I had to try, didn't I?
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
T-Mobile has a Garmin Phone that is android based up here in the states maybe one of the DEVs can port that to the Nexus
Well, I'm not giving up my hopes for that option yet, but I do think that if it was any easy, someone would have done it already. You know, just for the sake of it.
Right now I'm trying to get in touch with the people from NavDroyd to see if then can perform the conversion, even for a fee.
Google nav doesn't work?
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For the most part, no.
Routing information seems to be very wrong, so it's constantly telling you to perform U turns on highways (some of them even have barriers between the different lanes), and sending you in the wrong direction on one-way only streets.
From what I've researched in the past couple weeks, only Nat Sav has a decent routable map of Costa Rica.
EDIT: typo.
I'm hoping that Garmin will come to their senses and see Android as a platform that can generate more revenue for them.
I'd purchase their Garmin Mobile for Android app in a heartbeat! (if they made it)
Garmin / Droid for Costa Rica
There are good GPS resources including Droid for Costa Rica here;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LivinginCentralAmerica
Pura vida,
Gepp
Yeah, I'd like a Garmin App too for android (especially for Topo maps!) But it seems they abandonned the platform together with their outdated Garminphone...
I wonder if anyone can share their experience of using SGS2 as satnav with any of third-party software, which does not depends on mobile connection.
I've used it as a SatNav with Sygic and Navigon. Both works extremely well for me including fast lock time and also fast rerouting when I use other route instead.
So far, I say it is better than TomTom on the iPhone I use to have though it tends to use a little bit more battery than iPhone. With a charger, it will still drain the battery but at a very slow pace.
For the next few days CoPilot live new version is half price via the Android market .
http://blog.copilotlive.com/uk/2011/06/28/from-a-to-better-introducing-copilot-live-premium/
jje
Thanks a lot for the responses. Copilot offer looks interesting.
Is it ok to use a satnav app and listen to some music on teh phone simultaneously? What about answering calls while driving? Does it interrupt navigation?
Lets face it folks, android will never be up to the par of iphone until we get tomtom app. It really is that simple. TomTom is so much better than anything else available at the minute.
You can also use TeleNav for free on the SGS2 by following the instructions in this thread. It functions without cell towers which makes it better than Google Maps in certain situations. (Note: I didn't check international support)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139482
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Lets face it folks, android will never be up to the par of iphone until we get tomtom app. It really is that simple. TomTom is so much better than anything else available at the minute.
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Matter of opinion really mate , can i ask why you rate tomtom so far ahead of others?? i admit the ui is simple and easy to use but co-pilot for example is a great piece of software .
When i had an iphone4 i went for co-pilot and not tomtom , i just think tomtom is over-priced compared to others
Its good for sure but so are the others avalible . Its all personal preference really but i doubt i would buy tomtom for android
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Matter of opinion really mate , can i ask why you rate tomtom so far ahead of others?? i admit the ui is simple and easy to use but co-pilot for example is a great piece of software .
When i had an iphone4 i went for co-pilot and not tomtom , i just think tomtom is over-priced compared to others
Its good for sure but so are the others avalible . Its all personal preference really but i doubt i would buy tomtom for android
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For me: IQ Routes. The best route calculation I've ever seen, whereas other apps just don't get it quite right or just come up with horrible routes.
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For me: IQ Routes. The best route calculation I've ever seen, whereas other apps just don't get it quite right or just come up with horrible routes.
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Its is well in front especially if you have the live traffic updates etc .
jje
I just used it for a 900-mile trip from Georgia to Iowa, using CoPilot Live 8, and it worked very well. For the money, CPL is the best navigation solution, at least in North America where the maps are pretty current. Google Navigation is pretty good too, although it's dependent on having a data connection to download maps, which can be an issue if you're driving in less-populated areas.
I downloaded the new CoPilot Premium USA package (CPL9) last night & used it on a short local trip this morning; the new version works at least as well as the old version.
As far as listening to music or handling phone calls while navigating, I didn't get a chance to test that on this trip. On previous trips, I've done both while navigating -- however, that was with CoPilot 8 on a WinMo phone. I suspect the phone's OS has a lot to do with this capability, and I haven't used Android long enough to know if it's up to the task; I suspect it will be, especially once the OS takes multi-cores into account.
If tomtom don't want to program their app for android, given the popularity of the platform, then its their loss TBH.
Going to Cyprus in a month or so and was wondering about SatNav as I'm hiring a car while we're there...
I was going to buy a 'block' of international data roaming that you can buy when on hols for the times when needing Internet access...but are there any cheaper short-term alternatives I shoulkd be thinking of?
Co-Pilot or Google Maps....??
Edit: CoPilot nor GM not coming up with any guidance for Cyprus!! This suprises me with the amount of people that head over to these type of holiday destinations, they could really be missing out on some serious revenue.... :-(
Don't forget that Google Maps is going offline soon!
engadget.com/2011/06/08/google-maps-navigation-to-go-offline-this-summer-garmin-and-tom I CANNOT POST LINKS YET
Quote "Dutch tech site All About Phones claims that Google Maps Navigation will get a true offline mode later this summer. In December the Android app received an update that cached routes and the surrounding areas, but without a data connection you still couldn't enter a new destination. A source inside the Dutch telco industry said that Goog would removing the requirement for coverage -- an obvious next step for the nav tool, especially with Ovi Maps bringing its turn-by-turn prowess to WP7. The move is also bound to be another thorn in the side of standalone GPS makers like Garmin and TomTom. After all, it's tough to compete with free."
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Quote "Dutch tech site All About Phones claims that Google Maps Navigation will get a true offline mode later this summer. In December the Android app received an update that cached routes and the surrounding areas, but without a data connection you still couldn't enter a new destination. A source inside the Dutch telco industry said that Goog would removing the requirement for coverage -- an obvious next step for the nav tool, especially with Ovi Maps bringing its turn-by-turn prowess to WP7. The move is also bound to be another thorn in the side of standalone GPS makers like Garmin and TomTom. After all, it's tough to compete with free."
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Yeh, it coudl put off some people from buying satnav apps or devices. However, I think it is more about functionality and paid apps could provide some more worth paying for.
Wanted to take up this CoPilot offer yesterday evening but was put off by poor reviews. People were complaining about the new version being not as good as the previous, problems with regestering and downloading maps. Still probably buy it over the weekend.
I have been using Sygic Aura for a while now, and the previous version since my Nokia 5800. The Aura version is a real eye-candy, super fast, 3D buildings, but the routing - at least in Brussels - can be a bit weird but it will get you there.
I installed Copilot Live Premium for Europe - the UI is not as nice as Sygic, but the routing seems more normal (for Brussels) - no better or worse than Google Navigation.
I Would like to see Garmin on my S2..
I Am using copilot on my S2 and it works very well....
TomTom - Dont go there!
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Yeh, it coudl put off some people from buying satnav apps or devices. However, I think it is more about functionality and paid apps could provide some more worth paying for.
Wanted to take up this CoPilot offer yesterday evening but was put off by poor reviews. People were complaining about the new version being not as good as the previous, problems with regestering and downloading maps. Still probably buy it over the weekend.
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Got it yesterday, but only because of price reduction (EU 29 £)
The good:
Registration ... no problem
Download 4 GB maps ... no problem
Basic navigation ... no problem
The bad:
Missing integration with Contact (invoke navigation from within Contact Apps) ... embarrassing!
Facebook/Twitter crap ... annoying
POI import impossible (bug) ... annoying Edit: should be corrected http://getsatisfaction.com/copilotlive/topics/can_no_longer_add_pois_with_v9
Streetname text too small ... annoying
Hi must say that I am hoping that TomTom will come to Android. I use Co-Pilot and/or Google Navigation at the moment, and find that sometimes junctions get confusing, because the app doesn't zoom in sufficiently.
When I used to use TomTom on my old Windows Mobile Xperia X1, the program would zoom right in on junctions, making it easier to see where I need to go.
A few times on Co-Pilot/Google Navigation, I have got in a pickle on a Roundabout, meaning I have to around it twice to get the correct exit.
Does anyone else have this problem, and is anyone aware of a SatNav app that is as good as TomTom in this regard?
Cheers
Bcfaigg
TomTom is coming for Android
TomTom's Corrinne Vigreux (MD) says a TomTom app for Android is coming soon.
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/We-Meet-TomToms-MD-Corinne-Vigreux-Before-Break-Free-Event-8910.php
HOWEVER she may be confusing it with Route66 which is coming for Android soon and is using TomTom maps (aka Tele-Atlas). As everyone knows - this is VERY far from the same thing. So lets hope she is not making such a crucial mistake.