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Wierd behaviour syncing with Vista

On XP with ActiveSync I can keep my 3G connection going reliably while still syncing. Whatever I do with Vista, the 3G connection goes down and I assume the "Internet" connection goes through the USB. Downside of this for me is VOIP - get a VOIP call while the phone's in the holder and you can't pick it up without losing the connection.
Gotta say I'm no fan of Vista Home Premium, besides not having remote desktop, we're forced to use their Windows Mobile Device Center. I've done Mr.Vanx's Vista hack, but haven't dared to upgrade anything on that system given it's wierd behaviour (relay on my XP system instead).
What am I missing here? Anyone else get the Vista sync to work as well as with XP?
(I've run some searches, but must have missed something.)

did you make sure you turned off the data service through the connection options? I know somewhere in there it gives you the option to allow data connections while connected to the pc.

I would never upgrade a device over Vista the sync center; it is so unstable, I too run Vista but to upgrade I have to boot into XP because device center crashes just synching and this is on a top spec machine. I would never trust it to do a upgrade.

Thanks for the tip, vwest87, but I guess that's what I'm after.
In the connection settings on XP ActiveSync if you select "Allow data connections on device when connected to PC" and have the device set to "Enable advanced network functionality" in the USB to PC connection settings, the phone can sync with the computer while at the same time maintaining the 3G data connection. With the same settings on Vista WMDC, I've mostly experienced that the 3G connection shuts down and all data is rerouted to the USB connection.
Now, after uninstalling and reinstalling multiple times it appears to be working as it should (like XP ActiveSync). Guess Murphy's law is in play here. As soon as I put up a post, it miraculously fixes itself. That's what I love about M$, they somehow manage to put magic into a system that's supposed to be logical and controllable (or maybe its gremlins).

Douh! Spoke too soon. Vista shut down WMDC and the device lost the 3G connection and began cyclically trying to reconnect right after my last post. Vista claims that the WMDC host process was improperly using system memory.
Imagine if that happened while upgrading a radio ROM. Upgrading on Vista is tantamount to Russian roulette with your device.
Oh well, back to disabling advanced network functionality on the device to use the USB connection as a charger only.

Phone as Modem hangs Vista, any ideas?

Hey, I have a Mogul through sprint and actually pay the $40 a month for the PAM feature. It works great most of the time by USB tether, which I prefer because it keeps the phone charged. My problem is that after a random amount of time, sometimes a few minutes, sometimes an hour or so, the connection no longer sends or receives packets. the phone still reads connected, but the vista network connection status screen says (not responding) in the title bar. I've made sure my NDIS driver is up to date, and I've searched for other people who might have had the same problem, but all I can find are people troubleshooting methods to avoid paying for PAM. WMWifi and pdanet and stuff are great, but i need a hand with the legit PAM if anyone has any experience with it. (Oh, and my phone is running 2.17 rom and 1.47 radio that came on it)

Ok, so it seems to be that when I plug in the usb cable, even if I've already started the phone as modem connection, ActiveSync still starts, and vista doesn't always seem to give the pam connection priority. Is there any way to disable auto-start of activesync on the device? there is no activesync on vista, its their windows mobile device center junk and it has no options or preferences at all.

Mantaray52 said:
Ok, so it seems to be that when I plug in the usb cable, even if I've already started the phone as modem connection, ActiveSync still starts, and vista doesn't always seem to give the pam connection priority. Is there any way to disable auto-start of activesync on the device? there is no activesync on vista, its their windows mobile device center junk and it has no options or preferences at all.
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I think there's an option where you can disallow USB connections. I'd try that. I've been using PAM on vista since we figured out how to beat the tethering charges using the reg hack with no problems. I have noticed that activesync tries to connect to it though, and usually what I do is have an active connection first, plug it in while I'm hitting connect and it usually works fine. You might try that too.
Good luck!
BTW, you might try updating your ROM to one of DCD's releases...they work much better than the stock rom IMO.

Frequent 3g connectivity on/off on vista side

Hi.
Anyone with same problem. I only have seen it on vista side. Working with 3g conectivity. One minute is connected with tray icon showing globe. Then 30 isnt connected with tray icon showing computers with red cross. Then again connected 3 minutes. It seems a problem between vista side and internet sharing service from snapvue. I ve seen this issue in other spanish shift. Maybe a spanish version problem? any idea?
Thanks

Not much help I know but see my thread titled 'continued vista connection problems'. Have you been using internet sharing to gain access to WM 6.0? i noticed Activesync was always starting on the snapvue side which I think is linked to the constant disconnections.
A full restore from the restore partition solved my problem and I now get a steady 3g connection.

Thanks for your response. Not alone now. Format is a solution but we should know the origin of this problem. Obviosly is related with the way connects to 3g, this is, using Internet Shared connection with snapvue...but...why suddenly activesync (client or server part) tries to connect the other side and breaks the internet shared connection? any idea?Did you install sp1? is your shift language english or other one? ( I am trying to discard sources of the problem).
pd. While I write these lines on winmo side I can listen vista side sounds (connect/disconnect each minute...)

Hi,
I did some changes and It seems (by now) the problem is solved. I ve playing with continous 3g connections. This is what I did (I dont know which one did the trick).
1) Disable activesync usb connections for both sides( I did it for vista side days ago but know I did too in snapvue size.
2) Sevice Sync bluetooth Server stopped and set manually.
3) Reset both sides
Now I ve a stable 3g connection....

Daniel
Glad you got it working. What do you do to disable Activesync on the Snapvue side?
I only noticed this problem after installing SP1 but I was working mostly with WIFI so cannot be sure there is a link.

gavmiller said:
Daniel
Glad you got it working. What do you do to disable Activesync on the Snapvue side?
I only noticed this problem after installing SP1 but I was working mostly with WIFI so cannot be sure there is a link.
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Hi.
The problem is solved, now for sure. Open Activesync in winmo,then menu/connections and uncheck "use usb ...". I removed too the partership between both sides althought It isnt important, I think...

Thanks Daniel. Good to know incase it happens again.

Today I am having the same issue...mmm, I dont know what else I can do. I will post the events I can see in the event's viewer....

danielherrero said:
Today I am having the same issue...mmm, I dont know what else I can do. I will post the events I can see in the event's viewer....
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Hi Daniel - are you still having these problmes?

Hi. I didnt have that issue anymore. I removed the partership whith the device on vista side. I remove "Usb connection option" on activesync in both sides. I uninstalled "Remove NDIS Share connection" (Device Manager) on vista side and rebooted. Then on restart vista recognized again the device(Remove NDIS Shared connection) after some minutes(5-10 min) and then all worked correctly. I think the last step did the trick. But I am not free of problems. Like I told before when I resume the device and It was hibernated/suspended for a long time (several hours) the 20% of times It cant connect 3g and even I cant restart vista but keeping pressed the power button. So, by now, If my device is going to stay suspended for a long time (night) then I turn it off......
pd. When I need connect vista and snapvue I turn the phone off. I enable usb connection in both sides and use usbtools. After using the connection I undo these steps and all works correctly by now (last 3 weeks).
Ensure too that Vista hasnt setup a new Windows CE device on Device Manager. To check it open Device Manager, then "See devices by connection" and check each usb connection. If you see any Windows CE device disable it. I think both Remove NDIS Shared connection and a Windows CE Device was fighting for the same usb connection (In my case)

danielherrero said:
Hi. I didnt have that issue anymore. I removed the partership whith the device on vista side. I remove "Usb connection option" on activesync in both sides. I uninstalled "Remove NDIS Share connection" (Device Manager) on vista side and rebooted. Then on restart vista recognized again the device(Remove NDIS Shared connection) after some minutes(5-10 min) and then all worked correctly. I think the last step did the trick. But I am not free of problems. Like I told before when I resume the device and It was hibernated/suspended for a long time (several hours) the 20% of times It cant connect 3g and even I cant restart vista but keeping pressed the power button. So, by now, If my device is going to stay suspended for a long time (night) then I turn it off......
pd. When I need connect vista and snapvue I turn the phone off. I enable usb connection in both sides and use usbtools. After using the connection I undo these steps and all works correctly by now (last 3 weeks).
Ensure too that Vista hasnt setup a new Windows CE device on Device Manager. To check it open Device Manager, then "See devices by connection" and check each usb connection. If you see any Windows CE device disable it. I think both Remove NDIS Shared connection and a Windows CE Device was fighting for the same usb connection (In my case)
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OK, the only bit I hadnt tried was the uninstall of the NDIS in device manager. I'll give it a go and see what happens. Thanks again for this reply!

Thanks Daniel for your detailed description on this problem, which I also have. Interesting thing is that for me it only occurs when I am on the move with my Shift. No problems when my Shift remains on my desk (like others described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381220&page=2 )
On your described solution: I removed the Vista/Snapvue partnership and the usb connection on both sides. But I am not able to do the next step: "Remove NDIS Share connection" in device manager, because it's not there (see attached screenshot). Does this mean it was never there, so I do not have to uninstall it? Or is there a different way to find it?

Hi.
Reset Vista to ensure It boots correctly. Then wait to be 3g connected. Once you are connected the device "Remote NDIS shared connection" should be there under network cards. Then uninstall it and reset again. Once booted you have to wait several minutes until vista detects it again and installs drivers.....
pd. And try to contact HTC. Maybe (only maybe) if HTC is reported with same problem from many people they releases a fix.....

Hi there,
That did not help at all!
Waste of time.
But thanks for the hint.
What DID help for me was closing WMDC through taskmanager.
When you just exit WMDC, task manager still shows that it is running there in the background and apperantly scanning your ports for mobile devices ore something.
I stopped it from running and have a stable connection now.
(replying from train right now)
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah

Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi there,
That did not help at all!
Waste of time.
But thanks for the hint.
What DID help for me was closing WMDC through taskmanager.
When you just exit WMDC, task manager still shows that it is running there in the background and apperantly scanning your ports for mobile devices ore something.
I stopped it from running and have a stable connection now.
(replying from train right now)
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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Hi
Do you have to do this each time you start vista?
Cheers

firedup said:
Hi
Do you have to do this each time you start vista?
Cheers
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I think you only have to do it after you used WMDC. On my shift it doesnot start at boot (not anymore...) If I want to sync shift or my kaiser, I need to startup WMDC manualy.
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

My experiences so far.
Is it possible that it is the energy plan that is responsible for the loss of connection. I installed SP1, no problems it seemed. Today I wanted to use the 3G connection with the battery (balanced energy plan). And then it started to disconnect and to connect in small intervals. I did the routine Daniel described: uninstalled NDIS driver. Reinstalled it but connectivity problems remained.
Is it something to do with the battery powered system?
Because, as soon as stop using the battery, plugging in the power adapter again everything seems to be okay. I am not sure about it, but I think, when I use the max power option with the battery the connection stays and fails when I use the balanced energy plan.
So can it be that something in the energy plan is responsible for the loss of the connection?
Experts, does that make any sense?
I will give it some more tries.
S.

I had the High Performance powerplan on all the time......

had it to
Hi
This is a problem when sp1 is installed and you are using 3g in vista being in balanced or power save power plan. it has nothing to do with activesync and usb ports (i have never had a connection)
i called htc yesterday, they clamed they had never heard about it before, so please as many as possible call htc and tell them then maybe just maybe they would release a fix
in rhe meantime i uninstalled sp1 and everything works

In my case the solution is quite clear.
3G works in Balanced mode and in High Performance when power is plugged in. I am not so sure if it works in “Power Save” even when on power.
3G does not work when either on “Balanced” or “Power Save” when using the battery. Battery works in “High Performance” even when all the options are set like they are in “Balanced” mode.
This I found somewhere else in the forum. It is from Daniel and I guess he says the same, more of less.
Well. I ve been doing many tests and changes and I thing the sd, suspend crashes and 3g closed connections are gone.
I use equilibrated energy plan but I hadn’t any issue when ac connected so I ve modified this plan to make equivalent the behavior when not ac connected, but not success. The problems are still there. Its incredible because the configuration for ac connected/disconnected is the same I ve modified all the parameters (usb, expressPCI, , etc)
So I ve set High performance plan and I ve modified it a little bit, only screen brightness when no ac connected and now all works correctly. I start the system (no ac connected). Then I suspend / wake, hibernate/resume the system several times being ac no connected and the problems are gone. 3g connection is very stable. No crashes from standby to hibernate state. No sd missing problem. So by now I will keep in this "High Performance" modified state
pd. So It seems that a plan is compounded by customizable parameters by the user and hidden parameters)
Now, those who have not installed SP1. Is this really no issue for you? Or have you always been on power or always used “High Performance”?
Well, even when I plug in my external battery and the green light indicates that the machine has been plugged to power, even then it only works in “high performance” and not in the two other modes.
Very strange!
S.

SIM CARD Guidance

I am having a situation that is driving me nuts.
My access to the Internet on Win Mob works great via my SIM Card connection, however on my Vista side the system sees the SIM card and the Operator, but states local only. The vista network pipeline view shows a red X on the internet pipe.
How can I make the Vista side make the SIM connect to the internet??, if a switch to Win Mo its connecting with no problem!.
Just in case the WiFi works with no problems on the Vista side

check
1 - check the IP v4 settings on your adapter in Vista, is it on DHCP ? It must be when you try to connect to the Telco's GPRS network
2 - check to see if NIC/Network adapter is turned on at all.
3 - Check to see if your MODEM is active in Vista, via the top left button on your shift
4 - Did you install any liberation software ? I had to "connect to vista" once, after reinstallation, afterwards, Vista connects automatically to WinMo/SnapVue for internet.
5 - Has it EVER worked for you, or not ?
6 - Be patient, reboot, wait for 3 minutes to let vista connect and find the modem in WinMo/SnapVue.
7 - When resuming from hibernation, or sleep, it might not work. Check the forum
8 - Set your powerplan to max performace, see if that helps It does for other people

Guidance
Thanks Lucid, see comments
1 - check the IP v4 settings on your adapter in Vista, is it on DHCP ? It must be when you try to connect to the Telco's GPRS network.
CHECKED-YES it was even when it states Local Only
2 - check to see if NIC/Network adapter is turned on at all.
I am not sure what is the Network Adapter?. Were do I see this.
3 - Check to see if your MODEM is active in Vista, via the top left button on your shift
When I go to comm manger it states ON and ATT
4 - Did you install any liberation software ? I had to "connect to vista" once, after reinstallation, afterwards, Vista connects automatically to WinMo/SnapVue for internet.
I did Liberate and one time used the USB tool. If that was the case should I reset Snap Vue???
5 - Has it EVER worked for you, or not ?
Yes
6 - Be patient, reboot, wait for 3 minutes to let vista connect and find the modem in WinMo/SnapVue.
I have left it for an hour. the Win Mo connects in quickly , but nothing ever happens in Vista
Thanks again for your comments

Guidance
Lucid, one last question.
I have the USB Tool operational and I have Win Mo and Vista connected via the connection manager.
Vista states now disconnected?
Is this the normal condition?
Win Mo is still connected

SIM Card Sucess UPDATE
So here is what I found to be able to resolve my dead Vista connection issue:
1) I check the items Lucid mentioned (IP v$ set to DHCP/ NIC adapter/Liberate), including connecting using USB tool.
2) Went into my connections and verified that all of the connection drop down menu windows had the Wireless Operator System selected
3) Went into Active Sync/Menu/Connection and discovered that connection to USB was checked. I unchecked.
4) Reboot machine and left alone for 5 minutes.
5) Win Mo was going back and forth on connection, until it got stable . One minute after that Vista connected and has remained On.
I will monitor after I go into sleep and come out

Tethering overrides flash memory?

I've never had the need to use WMWifiRouter as a 3G to USB connection, but my modem at home is dead and won't be replaced until Tuesday. 3 days is quite a ways to go without Internet! So, I used WMWifiRouter 1.51 to enable the 3G to USB connection for my desktop PC.
After I was done with the 'net, I turned off WMWifiRouter and unplugged my phone. I then realized I needed to upload a few things on my phone, so I plug it back in to use it as a storage device. Problem is, my computer immediately detects my phone as a tether rather than the storage device. I've enabled the option so my phone asks me what type of connection it wants to create, but my computer keeps forcing the tether instead.
I know it's the way my computer is seeing my Touch Pro 2, but I was hoping somebody else may have run into the same issue before and found a resolution.
Thanks in advance!

I just used WM last night as a test, and then finally sync'd up my outlook 2000 contacts and calendar today.
Are you absolutely sure that WM has stopped running? I know on my diamond, the task manager option would NOT show some running apps after it was running without a soft reboot for like 2 months.
I haven't tried a "storage connect" yet though, I don't think I've ever used that.

I am absolutely positive it has stopped running completely. I used the built-in task manager with SKTools to verify. Even after a soft reset on my phone, my computer still does it.
Like I said, I know it's just the way my computer is now detecting my phone, but I was hoping somebody here had the same problem in the past.
I find it a little funny... I used my phone as a temporary solution to not having internet at home and now it only leads to more problems

Try uninstalling the drivers that your computer installed for the TP2, it would be in the Control Panel->Device Manager . Honestly i have no clue which one they would be but by doing this your computer will have to reinstall the USB drivers for your phone and re-recognize your phone.

Tried it. My computer installed it as a modem, but uninstalling the drivers didn't help. My comptuer would still detect it every time and reinstall the modem drivers.
Hard resetting my phone fixed this. It's the worst solution, yes, but it still worked. Fortunately, it only takes about 20 minutes to get everything back in order once more.
Thanks for the help anyways.

UPDATE: Ran into the same problem again last night. Fortunately, I found a better solution.
I made the USB to PC connection automatically connect to ActiveSync and disabled "Enable faster data synchonization." Disconnected and reconnected my phone and I was able to use the Disk Drive option once more without having my PC automatically see it as a Windows Mobile Modem