Wierd behaviour syncing with Vista - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

On XP with ActiveSync I can keep my 3G connection going reliably while still syncing. Whatever I do with Vista, the 3G connection goes down and I assume the "Internet" connection goes through the USB. Downside of this for me is VOIP - get a VOIP call while the phone's in the holder and you can't pick it up without losing the connection.
Gotta say I'm no fan of Vista Home Premium, besides not having remote desktop, we're forced to use their Windows Mobile Device Center. I've done Mr.Vanx's Vista hack, but haven't dared to upgrade anything on that system given it's wierd behaviour (relay on my XP system instead).
What am I missing here? Anyone else get the Vista sync to work as well as with XP?
(I've run some searches, but must have missed something.)

did you make sure you turned off the data service through the connection options? I know somewhere in there it gives you the option to allow data connections while connected to the pc.

I would never upgrade a device over Vista the sync center; it is so unstable, I too run Vista but to upgrade I have to boot into XP because device center crashes just synching and this is on a top spec machine. I would never trust it to do a upgrade.

Thanks for the tip, vwest87, but I guess that's what I'm after.
In the connection settings on XP ActiveSync if you select "Allow data connections on device when connected to PC" and have the device set to "Enable advanced network functionality" in the USB to PC connection settings, the phone can sync with the computer while at the same time maintaining the 3G data connection. With the same settings on Vista WMDC, I've mostly experienced that the 3G connection shuts down and all data is rerouted to the USB connection.
Now, after uninstalling and reinstalling multiple times it appears to be working as it should (like XP ActiveSync). Guess Murphy's law is in play here. As soon as I put up a post, it miraculously fixes itself. That's what I love about M$, they somehow manage to put magic into a system that's supposed to be logical and controllable (or maybe its gremlins).

Douh! Spoke too soon. Vista shut down WMDC and the device lost the 3G connection and began cyclically trying to reconnect right after my last post. Vista claims that the WMDC host process was improperly using system memory.
Imagine if that happened while upgrading a radio ROM. Upgrading on Vista is tantamount to Russian roulette with your device.
Oh well, back to disabling advanced network functionality on the device to use the USB connection as a charger only.

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Vista connection problems

Hi,
My hdd gave up in my laptop other day bought another 1 installed vista
now im having connection problems both with bluetooth and via usb with my
t-mobile ameo
does any 1 know if there is a update some where to get them working again
ive done a windows update and installed windows mobile device centre
thanks
Im running Vista business edition and had no problems at all - even updated my rom!
What do you get when you plus the Ameo in? Does it show up in the Device centre?
sync centre has just got the usual offline folder
windows mobile device centre 6.1 has the mobile device settings and the not
connected bit at the bottom
its so weired it all synced b4 theres nothing different installed setup etc...
on the device it says "to synchronize this device, you must install activesync 4.5 or newer on your desktop computer"
thanks
How Wierd.... mine lliterally just fired up autoomatically.
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
IT Works
i tried the unticking the advance option still didnt work...
i thought about the user account control in vista this came as my mobile
data card for my laptop wasnt installed correctly and after checking out the
install log and it saying access control n a load of other stuff saying
permission denied etc.... i thought id turn vistas user account control off this
fixed my data card problem ......i then pluged my t-mobile ameo in and hey
presto it picked it up as a black HTC Advantage due to my mobile 6 rom
upgrade
I believe Active Sync won't work on Visat, you need Mobile Device Center, available here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ea-9df9-4920-af33-3a0e2e4e7beb&displaylang=en
Makes sense as I have crappy user control switched off as it annoyed me greatly!
Vista Utlimate Connects but refuses access.
This solution worked instantly for us.
cayotte said:
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
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We had downloaded the upgrade device driver and the Windoze Vista replacement for ActiveSync... as Vista dictates on first connection.
We got the sound effect acknowledging USB connection, but Windoze Mobile Device Centre obstinately ignored the connection.
We tried the tricks suggested by the mages and sages, like adding ports etc. to the firewall, and deleting the driver in the Vista Device Manager... forcing it to re-install. None of it worked for the Ameos.
We removed the Mobile Device Centre and the upgraded driver, resolving to connect to the Ameos only via our XP Tablet instead.
It seemed that the USB connection was being made, but something else was blocking it.
Then this possible solution (reproduced here) caught our eye.
It was the work of a moment to follow the path and remove the check in that item.
Imagine our surprise and delight when we connected to Windoze Vista Ultimate again... and remember that there is no upgraded driver or Mobile Device Centre installed now... and we got the "what shall I do with this device" dialogue box. We checked the item to open the device in a folder each time and... it did... and does... just that.
We do not need synchronisation for our use of the Ameos since all of the significant email and document traffic occurs on the laptops and Tablet, but we can appreciate why someone would want that Mobile Device Centre to be re-installed. We won't be doing that anytime soon though.
Congratulations to you cayotte, and this forum as a whole.
BTW, I read about the problems folks have with the Microdrive. We have two Ameos. One works great with the Microdrive, the other one does not, and we have to leave it for data files only.
The older unit is the one which works well.
We already had the User Account Control turned off so I cannot say if that had any effect.
QF
cayotte said:
In your PPC, go to SETTING -> CONNECTIONS -> USB TO PC. Untick the "ENABLE ADVANCED NETWORK FUNCTIONALITY". Remove the connection by unplugging your USB cable and the plugging it again. No guarantee this will work, but you may try.
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WM6 does NOT sync with Vista running OUtlook 2003/2007

I just got a new laptop running Vista and I am just having tremendous issue trying to sync my Sprint Mogul (HTC Titan) to Windows Mobile Device Center (WMDC --> ActiveSync replacement in Vista) and Outlook 2007.
Basically, when I connect my Mogul via USB (NO Bluetooth), the device shows that it is connected for syncing to the laptop. But WMDC shows "connecting..." all the time and just not syncing. The only way to do this is to reboot the laptop.
The same phone sync just find to a Windows XP machine. I have tried the following but to NO AVAIL:
- Disable "Enhanced network USB function" in the device (Start -> Settings -> Connection -> USB to PC
- Remove all background services in the laptop, like Anti Virus, Vista Sidebar, Spy Sweeper.
BTW, my Mogul is running WM6, no custom ROM or anything.
Does anyone have the same issue and can provide me with the solution? It seems Vista and WMDC just breaks everything.
what does sync center say?? I'd try going into WMDC and unchecking all the sync content and seeing if it will connect...chances are theres something that it's trying to sync and it won't....I've also ran into a problem recently where outlook must be open for it to sync properly...you can try that.
There are 2 WMDC applications:
WMDC (Start -> Programs): just say connecting
Sync Center (on Taskbar): when I double click, under "View Sync Partnership", it just say "Disconnected"
I always run Outlook 2007 before Sync, so I suspect something else in Vista causing it.
I have tried a fresh Vista install, and it sometimes work, sometimes doesn't.
What I found out is like this:
1) Start Vista and Outlook
2) Connect device to WMDC - WORK
3) Disconnect, but Outlook remain
4) Reconnect - DOESN'T WORK
lanwarrior said:
There are 2 WMDC applications:
WMDC (Start -> Programs): just say connecting
Sync Center (on Taskbar): when I double click, under "View Sync Partnership", it just say "Disconnected"
I always run Outlook 2007 before Sync, so I suspect something else in Vista causing it.
I have tried a fresh Vista install, and it sometimes work, sometimes doesn't.
What I found out is like this:
1) Start Vista and Outlook
2) Connect device to WMDC - WORK
3) Disconnect, but Outlook remain
4) Reconnect - DOESN'T WORK
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I have Vista and Outlook 2007 and never had a problem with syncing. I just tried the 4 steps you outlined and it worked when I first connected my Mogul and also when I reconnected the Mogul. What version of WMDC are you running? I have 6.1.6965.
I usually don't run Outlook before doing a sync. I've never had a problem with this either way.
2 Things
I know you said that it shows something about being connected, but have you gone to My Computer and tried to access your device? This will help determine if its just not being recognized by the system properly, or if the sync software is hosed.
Additionally, try searching here or on ppcgeeks.com for the "update vista drivers". I didn't need them - but apparently some folks did. Depending on how long you've had Vista, and/or whether or not you've done M$ Windows updates, I'm thinking your driver could be hosed.
I too have Vista - and I can sync just fine as well as transfer files back & forth through My Computer. I also sync the same device up with an additional computer (how sweet is that? I wish iTunes would freakin' work like that one of these days!) that's on XP.
Would love to help more if need be. I'll be around Saturday if you want to PM and try going over your settings vs mine or something.
Sometimes I have to connect my mogul up to 6 times before it connects properly to my Vista laptop. I now always open device manager before connecting the mogul. It doesn't connect properly until the Microsoft Windows Mobile Remote Adapter driver installs correctly under Network Adapters AND the pocketpc driver installs correctly under portable devices. And it is very wierd because sometimes it works on the first try, and other times like I said b4 it can take up to 6 tries before it works right. I have looked up the error codes that it generates in the Event logs and there are a lot of people who are having the exact same issue, so I chalk it up to a Vista problem and hopefully it will get better after SP1 is released.
mem_reddog said:
Sometimes I have to connect my mogul up to 6 times before it connects properly to my Vista laptop. I now always open device manager before connecting the mogul. It doesn't connect properly until the Microsoft Windows Mobile Remote Adapter driver installs correctly under Network Adapters AND the pocketpc driver installs correctly under portable devices. And it is very wierd because sometimes it works on the first try, and other times like I said b4 it can take up to 6 tries before it works right. I have looked up the error codes that it generates in the Event logs and there are a lot of people who are having the exact same issue, so I chalk it up to a Vista problem and hopefully it will get better after SP1 is released.
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How did you get this MS Windows Mobile Remote Adapter and Driver? Windows Update or manual download link?
I don't know how to set my ppc-6800 (same as Mogul) to sync my contacts and e-mails with outlook 2007. When i connect it to my PC, it appears in my computer and i can browse in and transfer files in both ways. But still no contacts or e-mail sync...i would like to get help.
skny said:
I know you said that it shows something about being connected, but have you gone to My Computer and tried to access your device? This will help determine if its just not being recognized by the system properly, or if the sync software is hosed.
Additionally, try searching here or on ppcgeeks.com for the "update vista drivers". I didn't need them - but apparently some folks did. Depending on how long you've had Vista, and/or whether or not you've done M$ Windows updates, I'm thinking your driver could be hosed.
I too have Vista - and I can sync just fine as well as transfer files back & forth through My Computer. I also sync the same device up with an additional computer (how sweet is that? I wish iTunes would freakin' work like that one of these days!) that's on XP.
Would love to help more if need be. I'll be around Saturday if you want to PM and try going over your settings vs mine or something.
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I agree with the problem being a driver issue, mine searches for updates every week. I've had a vista machine since october last year and havent had any problems at all with syncing(usb or BT) or changing roms. As a suggestion when a first got my 6800 in July and switched to the 2.17 rom i had to upgrade to a newer version of WMDC, check your version and the most up to date one on HTC's website. Hope that helps.
Hi all,
I am bringing this thread back because now I have another issue with Mogul syncing to Vista with Outlook 2007. This is actually for my friend but the issue is simply puzzling and I hope anyone have insight on this.
My friend have another laptop and a Mogul and when he connect the device to the laptop via USB, Vista Mobility Device Center (MDC) only recognize it as a MEDIA PLAYER, not as a PDA.
I tried the following:
- Disable/Enable USB Advanced Network functionality (System -> Settings -> Connections)
- Hard reset the Mogul
- Connect the devices and run Windows Update (to check if there is a driver issue)
When I connect that same Mogul to a Windows XP, it sync just fine.
What do you guys think?
Guys,
Just a quick update on the issue whereby I cannot sync the Mogul to Vista: the driver updates did the trick! After installing the driver update, syncing works just fine! I wonder why M$ didn't include this update under Windows Update.
Thanks for the help all!
lanwarrior said:
Guys,
Just a quick update on the issue whereby I cannot sync the Mogul to Vista: the driver updates did the trick! After installing the driver update, syncing works just fine! I wonder why M$ didn't include this update under Windows Update.
Thanks for the help all!
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Please, where did you get the driver updates. Was it a driver on the phone, or for vista.
I am having similar probs, except it appears to sync, but deletes all contacts (inclunding sim!) from my touch dual.
It's shown in the thread above. The driver is available in PPCGeeks. I forgot which thread there, though.
Solution
lanwarrior said:
I just got a new laptop running Vista and I am just having tremendous issue trying to sync my Sprint Mogul (HTC Titan) to Windows Mobile Device Center (WMDC --> ActiveSync replacement in Vista) and Outlook 2007.
Basically, when I connect my Mogul via USB (NO Bluetooth), the device shows that it is connected for syncing to the laptop. But WMDC shows "connecting..." all the time and just not syncing. The only way to do this is to reboot the laptop.
The same phone sync just find to a Windows XP machine. I have tried the following but to NO AVAIL:
- Disable "Enhanced network USB function" in the device (Start -> Settings -> Connection -> USB to PC
- Remove all background services in the laptop, like Anti Virus, Vista Sidebar, Spy Sweeper.
BTW, my Mogul is running WM6, no custom ROM or anything.
Does anyone have the same issue and can provide me with the solution? It seems Vista and WMDC just breaks everything.
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I found this by accident.
Click on Start > Settings > Connections > USB to PC and *uncheck* "enable Advanced Network Functionality."
Problem solved.
dclong said:
I found this by accident.
Click on Start > Settings > Connections > USB to PC and *uncheck* "enable Advanced Network Functionality."
Problem solved.
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YUp, I tried that before, but it doesn't work. I have to update the driver to WMDC 6.1.
BTW, to everyone: driver is available here --> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...f1-e46a-4a5f-a791-09f07aaa1914&displaylang=en
lanwarrior said:
YUp, I tried that before, but it doesn't work. I have to update the driver to WMDC 6.1.
BTW, to everyone: driver is available here --> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...f1-e46a-4a5f-a791-09f07aaa1914&displaylang=en
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I'm sorry -- was not aware of that. I have automatic updates set up so this question of driver update/renewal never came up for me.
Does this update work for anyone?
My Mogul is hanging on my laptops side...it say "Connecting to Unidentified Device".
And then it just stays there for ever....
Booya said:
Does this update work for anyone?
My Mogul is hanging on my laptops side...it say "Connecting to Unidentified Device".
And then it just stays there for ever....
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The only way I could get around it is to disconnect my device, remove the device from WMDC - and - remove the PC connection in ActiveSync on the device and start ALL over again.
Also, I found that when you have a lot of data (like I do) to start syncing only piecemeal, i.e. do the first sync with the defaul settings first, then add folders, then add emails, etc.
IMHO - WMDC is so inadequate.
Oh well, tried all of these and still no joy
This works for me on my Sprint Mogul a/k/a HTC PPC-6800
timbouk said:
Oh well, tried all of these and still no joy
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Disable the Windows Mobile DNS cache. This requires a registry
modification. Windows Mobile does not include a registry editor, but
free third-party editors are available (such as one from www.phm.lu).
Change the value of:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\InternetSettings\
DnsCacheEnable to 0
If DnsCacheEnable does not exist, create it as a DWORD value.
A soft reset is necessary for the change to take effect.
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After that I'm out of ideas ...

Phone as Modem hangs Vista, any ideas?

Hey, I have a Mogul through sprint and actually pay the $40 a month for the PAM feature. It works great most of the time by USB tether, which I prefer because it keeps the phone charged. My problem is that after a random amount of time, sometimes a few minutes, sometimes an hour or so, the connection no longer sends or receives packets. the phone still reads connected, but the vista network connection status screen says (not responding) in the title bar. I've made sure my NDIS driver is up to date, and I've searched for other people who might have had the same problem, but all I can find are people troubleshooting methods to avoid paying for PAM. WMWifi and pdanet and stuff are great, but i need a hand with the legit PAM if anyone has any experience with it. (Oh, and my phone is running 2.17 rom and 1.47 radio that came on it)
Ok, so it seems to be that when I plug in the usb cable, even if I've already started the phone as modem connection, ActiveSync still starts, and vista doesn't always seem to give the pam connection priority. Is there any way to disable auto-start of activesync on the device? there is no activesync on vista, its their windows mobile device center junk and it has no options or preferences at all.
Mantaray52 said:
Ok, so it seems to be that when I plug in the usb cable, even if I've already started the phone as modem connection, ActiveSync still starts, and vista doesn't always seem to give the pam connection priority. Is there any way to disable auto-start of activesync on the device? there is no activesync on vista, its their windows mobile device center junk and it has no options or preferences at all.
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I think there's an option where you can disallow USB connections. I'd try that. I've been using PAM on vista since we figured out how to beat the tethering charges using the reg hack with no problems. I have noticed that activesync tries to connect to it though, and usually what I do is have an active connection first, plug it in while I'm hitting connect and it usually works fine. You might try that too.
Good luck!
BTW, you might try updating your ROM to one of DCD's releases...they work much better than the stock rom IMO.

Unable to tether Vista to a Mogul running 3.56.651.0

My firm just upgraded my notebook to Vista Enterprise 32-bit (against my wishes!). My Mogul is running the most recent Sprint/HTC-supplied ROM, 3.56.651.0. Under XP, I had no problem tethering using the built-in WM "Internet Sharing" app over USB.
Under Vista, no joy.
I've tried a thousand things. I've downloaded the most recent version of WMDC. After disabling "Enable advanced network functionality" in Connections -> USB to PC, I was able to get WMDC to see the device, xfer files, sync, etc. But still no joy on tethering.
The steps I'm following (that worked on XP):
(1) on the device, I fire up Internet Sharing, select USB, and hit Connect; the phone connects to Sprint's Phone as Modem service (which I'm paying for) fine.
(2) I plug the device into notebook via USB cable
(3) the notebook complains "Windows needs to install driver for your Generic RNDIS" and offers "Locate and install driver software (recommended), "Ask me again later", or "Don't show...". I select "Locate and Install..."
(4) the notebook says it's installing the driver, but then complains:
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Windows found driver software for your device but encountered an error while attempting to install it.
Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device
A device attached to the system is not functioning.
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and then the driver install windows complains:
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Device driver software was not successfully installed
Please consult with your device ...
Generic RNDIS Failed
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Has anyone gotten _THIS COMBINATION_ (i.e., Vista on the computer, plus a Sprint Mogul running ROM 3.56.651.0) to work? I'm at my wits end.
Thanks!
...R
A quick [non]update, if you're having this problem too... No joy from hours of internet searching and posting on other boards.
...R
my search continues also
i use wmwifirouter to tether via usb/wifi, so i guess you could try that. But i don't think it'll make a difference.
For a while, my vista ultimate wouldn't detect my phone via activesync, i did a repair on it and it fixed. It could probably be the usb driver problems.
I also installed windows 7 to play around, the usb tether worked on that also
I discovered a short while ago that the Media Net was needed in the drop down under Network Connections on the Internet sharing app.
Not sure if ya still looking for a fix but in vista you have to download/install Windows Mobile Device Center then plug your phone and wait for it to detect it. Once the sync is set up disconnect and boot up the internet sharing hit connect then hook up the usb cable. BTW using internet sharing with vista sucks ass cause it randomly connects and disconnects.
I have been using "Wireless Router" for a year and a half now on my XP desktop. It works great, now I have just purchased a laptop w/ Vista Home Premium 64 bit and I get an issue with drivers too.
I have WMDC installed but the system will not recognize my Mogul 6800 as a modem.
If anyone has an idea of were to get the driver or knows any other parameter settings we would appreciate it. I also will update my finds as I search.
BTW, Wireless Modem has a non detection feature if your are interested.

hd2 won't activesync

My ActiveSync won't Sync
I found with "Enable faster data synchronization check box" ON then doesn't even start ActiveSync on PC. Instead the LAN icon starts searching for an IP.
if OFF then it tries then ActiveSync says ERROR code 85010001
this page
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/faqs/activesync/exchange_errors.php
says An invalid HTTP communication or protocol syntax occurred.
reboot doesn't help.
Are you sync to Exchange of PC files?
if Exchange, try turn off push update, sync, and turn it back on.
sounds like it's stuck in modem mode or something.. have you tried switching between modes? e.g. put it in modem mode and disk drive and then activesync again..
no Exchange
turned off all except contact/calendar
tried disk drive and then activesync but no good
then tried turning bluetooth off and it worked with with "Enable faster data synchronization check box" off
so still not perfect
The more complex, the more can go wrong. Recently my HD2 has not been running activesync on connection. It is a problem after I have hibernated my PC, but also randomly at other times after a disconnect and reconnect.
Following hte advice above I've tried the change to modem, change to disk and back to activesync, but that did not help. Unchecking the "Enable faster data synchronization check box" has now allowed it to connect.
While activesync was unable to connect, I could still connect using a brilliant little program, sadly not recently updated, called mymobiler. That lets me control the HD2 from my PC< and do screen dumps as well. So how come that would connect but MS Activesync would not? And it was not a new install, I've had that since my first few days of the HD2 and worked well until the last couple of weeks, when this issue has become increasingly annoying.
While activesync was telling me I was disconnected, in the Windows 7 Devices and Printers there was an icon for a "Generic RNDIS" but nothing else about it. When on the HD2 I go back into USB to PC and check the tickbox for "Enable faster data synchronization" that icon reappears. Maybe disabling then enabling this check box has sorted it. Time will tell.
Hmmm...
It is not a new issue with activesync and htc phones. This thread is a year old.
In fact a search of hte web shows htis is common across several makes of phone.
Damn. When I installed HTC's latest hotfix for SMS, it soft reset the HD2.
On restart, the HD2 was not recognised by the PC, but it does show in Devices and Printers as the generic RBIS. So; uncheck the "Enable faster data synchronization" and it appears on the PC as a Generic Serial device, then becomes a live device in the Mobile Device Centre. I guess we won't be using faster then.
What I don;'t understand is why both of the showings in the Devices and Printers are Generic. Surely there is a driver?
argh, now it's broken again, had BT on...
htc has no clue and suggests (again) that I just keep creating a new partnership each time I have this issue (daily)
Are you sync'ing to an external exchaneg server as well as locally?
I had an issue with mine that the external exchange and local seemed to clash some how, I deleted the external and all internal connections from the phone's active sync screen and then the local PCwas able to re sync, then added each of the other conections and made sure that there where no contradictions in the syncing rules?
Maybe not your issue but worth mentioning!
speakerphone said:
argh, nowt's broken again, had BT on...
htc has no clue
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I regret this is incomprehensible. "nowt" means nothing, so you are saying that nothing is broken again. That would be good, not bad. Your post then stops part way through and concludes negatively against HTC, though for no reason whatsoever. Please could you repost with something that makes sense?
I have no exchange servers, just local PC,
but all errors are exchange related, so HTC say.
if you dont have an exchange server then remove it completely ftom the list of sync locations (i cant remember how you do this, but its the same screen where you select what you want to sync). ive found that if it isnt being recognised that removing the phone from device manager list in windows (deleting drivers/software if asked) and reconnecting the phone seems to work. i have my driver install set to use windows update to locate drivers so try this as well
HD2 won't activesync via bluetooth
My LEO do sync properly via USB. Not connect absolutely via BT.
my setting is :
internal GPS connect via COM4 to TomTom7, VisualGPSce, TutorAssist
and seems to be:
bluetooth port IN is COM1
bluetooth port OUT is COM2
In my Notebook the lonely Local port is COM5. No other one is available
ActiveSync Bluetooth connection is set on COM5
So i know this thread is way old but figured id give it a try. The screen cracked on my TP2 and I cant get WMDC to recognize my device to pull the data. I'm pretty sure that enable faster data synchronization is checked and my screens broken so i can't fix that. Is there another way I can access the phone? Any help is appreciated ty.

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