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? Video Playback format: H.263, MPEG4, & WMV
? 5~8 fps @ VGA decoding for H.263 & MPEG4
? Min. 30 fps @ QVGA decoding for H.263 & MPEG4
? Combined Bit Rate: 64Kbps (playback)
? Video scaling up to full VGA display
This info was taken directly from the Service manual Mike Channon so kindly provided us with. Thanks again.
However, if this info is anything to go buy, we are in serious trouble. Can anyone see something between the lines that I'm missing here?
Apparently WMP supports the Imageon Hardware, right? But at what fps for VGA encoded vids? 5 ~ 8 fps?
Are they nuts!! Or am I?? No wonder the Athena can't handle VGA vids. thus re-emphasizing the absolute need for the hardware decoder (Imageon), to help or even better, take over the processing/decoding of the vids.
This is not good news!
Combined bit rate of 64 kbps!! OK that does it, they are nuts! Should have trusted my instincts from the beginning. If a device can only record with a limited bitrate and resolution for video, that's indicative of its decoding abilities too.
Like I said QVGA resolution of 320x240 or even slightly higher @ 480x320 will return satisfactory results, but anything above that will strain the Athena's resources.
And yes, whilst using TCPMP or even WMP10 are able to cope with more than what the service manual states, it doesn't look like it's supposed to.
Lastly, I think encoding AMR Audio and MPEG4 H.263 (ASP - NOT H.264 AVC) might yield better performance in higher resolution videos, as this is supposedly supported by the Imageon hardware decoder.
I'm seriously NOT impressed. Its about time that HTC the world leaders in PPC manufacturing started thinking about making devices with a dedicated 3D/Video accelerator to completely alleviate the strain of the main CPU when it comes to 3D Graphics rendering (whether for TomTom or Games) or Video playback.
The soon to be released HTC Kaiser is a step in the right direction with its Qualcomm 7200 dual-processor (one for phone and one exclusively for applications), but it's still not good enough.
The o2 Flame had the right idea with its Nvidia 3D Mobile CPU and 520 MHz CPU, but apparently it doesn't work as well as expected.
The Dell x51v still outperforms the Athena by an embarrassingly large margin for video playback and their 2700 3D processor still outperforms every other PDA ever made!! If only they had a Phone application to boot, I'd have one of them.
I get it now, the Athena and these new devices coming out every five minutes are very good, but being an all-in-one solution was never the goal of the manufacturers now was it?
It's always been about the money and always will be.
I'd love to get a group of developers, programers and hardware gurus together (with specialist knowledge) and improve on the Athena, because I think it is the best base model PPC to take things to another level, but even if I had the cash....the likes of HTC would bury us in a second and release something that would blow our efforts so far out of the water before we could manufacture the prototype.LoL
At least it would kick start these greedy companies to start giving us end users what is already available, but combine it into one device...as opposed to giving us snippets of new technology one device after another.
Just my 2 cents worth.
I still think that the biggest disappointment is that ATI won't tell "us" how to use the hardware decoder...
The figures in the service manual could just be a result of HTC not testing the video support fully...
And after all: Its main purpose is not to be a device for playing video. That's just a bonus...
the joke is that although the athena can be made to play decent xvids after lots of tweaking , my 2 year old PSP blows it away for reliabilty
(lip synch comes to mind) and the picture quality matches and often betters it esp at the higher PMP and AVC resolutions.
I Think THE only true Way forward is the UMPC route I.e. Shift type device. Sadly it appears the idiots have dropped VOICE and GPRS from this machine
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the joke is that although the athena can be made to play decent xvids after lots of tweaking , my 2 year old PSP blows it away for reliabilty
(lip synch comes to mind) and the picture quality matches and often betters it esp at the higher PMP and AVC resolutions.
I Think THE only true Way forward is the UMPC route I.e. Shift type device. Sadly it appears the idiots have dropped VOICE and GPRS from this machine
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Agree with you totally on this spacecat. The PSP's 16million pixel screen is the nuts and it's hard to find any pixelation in movie playback even at QVGA encoded vids.
@ wgary. I hear you, but its not only business users they should aim these devices at. Internet and e-mail is now so commonplace as well as mobile phone technology, that they should be aiming at a wider audience.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sony made more sales with the PSP than HTC with their last 5 devices! Why? because Sony tries to give people what they want, whilst WM devices give us what we need. Just wish these tech giants would learn from each other and bring us true 'Ultimate' devices based on all these meta-technologies.
Blow the retail cost to the consumer. People will always buy what they want and there will always be those who can afford it and those that can't just at the minute. I'm happy enough to fall into the latter category as long as the tech develops into this area.
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Agree with you totally on this spacecat. The PSP's 16million pixel screen is the nuts and it's hard to find any pixelation in movie playback even at QVGA encoded vids.
@ wgary. I hear you, but its not only business users they should aim these devices at. Internet and e-mail is now so commonplace as well as mobile phone technology, that they should be aiming at a wider audience.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sony made more sales with the PSP than HTC with their last 5 devices! Why? because Sony tries to give people what they want, whilst WM devices give us what we need. Just wish these tech giants would learn from each other and bring us true 'Ultimate' devices based on all these meta-technologies.
Blow the retail cost to the consumer. People will always buy what they want and there will always be those who can afford it and those that can't just at the minute. I'm happy enough to fall into the latter category as long as the tech develops into this area.
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i wanted a cheaper PS3...sony never gave me that
Mackaby007,
I find it difficult to comprehend your disappointment.
You're getting too technical into this. Just enjoy watching the excellent movie quality of this device instead of counting the fps, would you? This is not a home theatre system for goodness sake. Also, the service manual may be just talking about the minimum critieria, rather than the actual performance, which could differ from unit to unit, just like some unit is able to overclock better than the others but officially set at a lower rate.
Look at the video that you posted. It is absolutely amazing. It is still not good enough, I think you're being too picky. Look at the 90% full, not 10% empty in this glass!
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Mackaby007,
I find it difficult to comprehend your disappointment.
You're getting too technical into this. Just enjoy watching the excellent movie quality of this device instead of counting the fps, would you? This is not a home theatre system for goodness sake. Also, the service manual may be just talking about the minimum critieria, rather than the actual performance, which could differ from unit to unit, just like some unit is able to overclock better than the others but officially set at a lower rate.
Look at the video that you posted. It is absolutely amazing. It is still not good enough, I think you're being too picky. Look at the 90% full, not 10% empty in this glass!
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for around £650 for what is basically a phone with extras expectations are justifiably HIGH!
you would think the machine could at least run movies at its OWN full resolution wouldnt you? I love my Athena in many ways but it still has some unjustifable issues, especially as it has a ATI chip that should be able to run movies decently an without lip synch errors
It shouldnt be such HARD work
I still blame ATI for most of our video problems.
However, I am now (after mackaboy helped me out) more satisfied with my Athena as a video device than I am with my Archos AV420 (which is a dedicated video-playing device). The screen on the Athena is bigger, and it supports more formats.
For me, size and shape of the screen and the fact that it is part of a all encompassing device, is far far more important than whether of not it drop a frame. In most cases, the source of my download is already very far from perfect, so it makes no sense to think about frame drop. I could not tell if there is any frame drop in most cases, as they look so perfect to me already. Being too concerned with that would only kill your enjoyment If I am after real good quality video and sound, I would'nt be watching it on this device. I'll be using my home theatre system and treat my senses with real subwolfer, AC-3 sound effect, and real high definition pictures. This is not to say that I accept any quality movies on the device. I'm saying that it is more than adequate already.
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For me, size and shape of the screen and the fact that it is part of a all encompassing device, is far far more important than whether of not it drop a frame. In most cases, the source of my download is already very far from perfect, so it makes no sense to think about frame drop. I could not tell if there is any frame drop in most cases, as they look so perfect to me already. Being too concerned with that would only kill your enjoyment If I am after real good quality video and sound, I would'nt be watching it on this device. I'll be using my home theatre system and treat my senses with real subwolfer, AC-3 sound effect, and real high definition pictures. This is not to say that I accept any quality movies on the device. I'm saying that it is more than adequate already.
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as I said my psp can blow it away for quality and reliabilty and it costs
only 100 pounds and is over 2 years old. its not good enough
OK guys let's not get into an argument, we are all just expressing our opinions and in some cases, venting as I didn't get what was advertised on the box and I paid heavily to have this unit. Thanks spacecat, you summed it up perfectly.
Moskus, your right too. It is down to the ATI chip, but the Hermes got fixed through the AKU 3.5 ROM etc with some tweaks, I think we'll get there in the end.
@eaglesteve. Whilst I respect your right to express your views and sometimes agree with them too, I simply disagree with you on this. Spacecat really hit the nail on the head in his post about cost of device vs incapability to play vis at its own resolution.
Let's not get it twisted either, just because these devices were aimed at mostly business people on the move etc.....the software certainly isn't.
Personally, my Athena is my personal all-in-one Mobile-communication/GPS entertainment System. That is why I bought it, because the specs and HTC's own write up advertised it as such. As it's not performing to expectation (only in this video department), I am disappointed eaglesteve. It is a main part of why I bought it and relates to what I do for a living. Not being picky mate.
Anyway, no offense taken. Just want to clarify why I'm always on about video playback. I'm hoping to hear back from Betaboy about what is really needed from ATI/AMD so maybe us paying customers can put a petition together or use whatever resources we have as a community to put pressure on either HTC or ATI/AMD to give us the needed info so Corecodec or another developer can solve this once and for all.
As Moskus always says, it is down to the Imageon Chip.
Peace my friends.
I don't really understand what all the fuss is about re video playback on the Athena. I have a very large collection of divx and xvid movies and TV series, mostly downloaded from torrents. I simply download them, copy to the microdrive, and watch them (using tcpmp) with no problems. The picture is crystal clear, no stuttering, and I have no problems with the audio lagging.
I can't tell you about framerates or benchmarks as I've never needed to tweak TCPMP, it always looks fine.
So there is at least one satisfied customer re videos on the Athena - me!
Each to their I guess, but I'm plodding on.
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I don't really understand what all the fuss is about re video playback on the Athena. I have a very large collection of divx and xvid movies and TV series, mostly downloaded from torrents. I simply download them, copy to the microdrive, and watch them (using tcpmp) with no problems. The picture is crystal clear, no stuttering, and I have no problems with the audio lagging.
I can't tell you about framerates or benchmarks as I've never needed to tweak TCPMP, it always looks fine.
So there is at least one satisfied customer re videos on the Athena - me!
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Happy for you Some of us are perfectionists though, and I've seen 640x480 VGA encoded vids from High def sources and believe me its as good to look at as High Def on a top end PC screen. The detail you see changes your viewing pleasure...it's like the difference between DVD's and Ultra High def in a mobile screen.
All those who have not experienced this quality wouldn't really appreciate what I'm talking about.
Nothing in life is perfect, but striving for perfection and falling short of it is still better than accepting what we already have.
Isn't that how progress works? It certainly does for me and I've never been displeased with my results after I've giving it my best.
If you're happy with what you have, then really, that is great and you are a lucky man/woman, but I always like to push the boat out that little bit more.
Can't remember who just posted to this effect about prefering the Athena to their dedicated Archos, but that is very pleasing to hear and quite encouraging.
P.S. I had perfect HQ vids on a 200 MHz Omap based WM5 QVGA device with no issues at all! Why is it so unreasonable for me to want the same from a 624 MHz CPU with a Video accelerator on a VGA screen? hmmm?
mackaby007,
You are like an ungrateful mad scientist Just kidding, but I am with you on this and I do understand what you are saying. Let me try to keep it short and sweet.
You also made an excellent point that a lot people might have missed. We can't all be experts and our development cycles are different. Some of us set higher expectations and achieve greater goals which is the reason why there are not too many Bill Gates in the world.
Nonetheless, I would like to see better picture too because this device was more expensive than my PS3 which I enjoy watching BD-DVD movies on a 70'' 1080P TV.
yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.
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yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.
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Interesting....never heard of the x9500.
lpsi2000 said:
mackaby007,
You are like an ungrateful mad scientist Just kidding, but I am with you on this and I do understand what you are saying. Let me try to keep it short and sweet.
You also made an excellent point that a lot people might have missed. We can't all be experts and our development cycles are different. Some of us set higher expectations and achieve greater goals which is the reason why there are not too many Bill Gates in the world.
Nonetheless, I would like to see better picture too because this device was more expensive than my PS3 which I enjoy watching BD-DVD movies on a 70'' 1080P TV.
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Well said and it was short and to the point.
basically it comes down to bang for buck.
A £650 machine that is outclassed by a 2 year old machine at £100 does not offer bang for buck in terms of Video playback.
I really enjoy my Ameo esp the big screen for HSDPA surfing, streaming my live TV and videos from my home PC via Orb, reading books via pdf,music, etc etc
but you would think if it has a 640x480 screen and they promote this fact bigstyle then it should be able to display video at this resolution
I would be very interested in a shift type device as long as it also has Phone functionality, .............................
hmmm will it suppport 800x600 resolution video ..oh dear
spzero said:
yep i agree my universal was far superior for playing vids and the keyboard was better but ths device is amazing and untill the htc x9500 is released im happy in general. seams strange to take a step back instead of forward for improvements but its all down to money and marketing the upcoming shift and x9500 are basicly the same device under the hood just a different exterior shell but they disable the voice on the shift and enable it on the x9500 just so they can sell the same device twice but repackaged.
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Hi spzero,
So you mean that shift and shangrila are slightly different machine? There are conflicting news on this it seems. Some says they are the same, some say they are different. Do you have a link to your source of info please?
Thanks and cheers.
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I wanted to write this up as i am sure some people dont know which one to get yet.
So, first i wanted to get a HTC Touch Pro but after getting into all the X1 stuff its a clear winner for me. Heres why
PRO X1
- 3 inch screen with same resolution as HTC Touch HD
- Much better camera
- 30fps video recording (international version, US version has slower 24fps recording)
- better video playback
- standard headphone jack
- outstanding build quality
- better looking (matter of taste of course)
- no gps lag (this is not confirmed yet, just read it somewhere)
- X1 has a 1500mAh battery (TP only 1340mAh), but this might not mean much with the larger screen
- X1a/i are tri-band UMTS, TP is only dual-band
CON X1
- the panel interface sucks, Touch Flo 3D is much nicer (in my opionion)
Solution: Touch Flo 3D from the Touch HD has been modified to run on the X1 and it does a near perfect job (issues will be fixed soon i am sure)! Thats even better than Touch Flo 3d on the HTC TP because of the higher res
- no G-Sensor
Solution: none acutally cause its not build in. So you cant use some of the nice g-sensor based apps and games, but thats not a major drawback to me.
- No Youtube application like the HTC TP has and playing flash videos in opera isnt very fluent
Solution: Port the HTC Touch HDs Youtube App...i think thats a matter of days only
- the keyboard of the TP is better, still the X1 keyboard is pretty good, no major drawback
- no TV Out, well yeah, that would really be nice to have but no deal breaker either
Basically the X1 can do everything the HTC TP can (except G-Senor Apps and TV-Out) and then some. Since they are priced quite equally, the X1 is the clear winner to me.
If you need the G-Sensor and TV-Out, you should get the HTC TP.
This isnt meant to be a flame thread or whatever, i absolutly LOVE the HTC TP too, just wanted to compare it for other people that might not have gotten into all the details yet.
I also just realized there already is a TP vs X1 thread in here, well nerver mind
Having used both, thats the list I came up with. I do have an inexplicable love of teeter which nearly swung it but reason won out in the end and the Xperia is just that little bit better. I like the keypad on the Xperia because I have big fingers which would sometimes activate the wrong key on the touch pro whereas on the Xperia there is a little space around each key.
Panels is not great and has a few glitches but the SPB panel makes up for it in my mind (just setting it up now). I'll give the HTC Touchflow2/3D a try later. I have a feeling that someone will work out either a way of enhancing it, to iron out the glitches or a way of replacing it.
Not sure about the cameras, they're both 3.2MP with LED flash. I think the quality is going to vary most depending on the lighting conditions.
Some other thoughts:
- X1 has a 1500mAh battery (TP only 1340mAh), but this might not mean much with the larger screen
- X1i has a faster Qualcomm 7200A cpu
- X1a/i are tri-band UMTS, TP is only dual-band
The other thing is that I really do love the 5-row keyboard on my TP right now, but the more I think about it the more I feel the X1's 4-row is an acceptable sacrifice, especially as I'm not actually going to spend too much time typing on either device.
thanks, added your stuff...
Does the X1i really have a faster CPU than the X1a ? i thought CPU specs where the same for the X1 and the TP
glad, to live in europe
Remember TP has a activ stylus, not important but a nice feature. Especially when you release the stylus during a call it opens the note app. This is nice feature during work. (My opinion).
There is no difference in CPU speed.
I apologize, it's not the CPU speed that is different, just some of the code restriction (US patent issues) that is responsible for slower video recording. Specifically:
X1i has the Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording
X1a has the Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording
TP has the Qualcomm 7201A (but different recording limitations altogether)
Is any software, update, firmware to improve resolution of camera HTC Touch HD 352x288 to VGA 640x480?
I have never had an issue? Try the registry tweaks in this forum.
You mean video resolution I presume? I find the camera to be quite slow, mainly due to the resolution it has to record already. Upping the resolution would only make it even slower. I don't think there is a tweak for it, but technically it would be possible as the sensor provides 5mp.
But, the only thing that disappoints me about the camera is how slow it is under low light situations. The Nokia N96 for instance, remains fast even when there is not much light, and despite the speed, it still makes a much clearer and brighter image, even without flash.
These are all software issues for sure as the sensor framerate is constant (meaning the sensor emits data under the same speed at each level of light reception), it is just the software that takes a long time to create a 'proper' image from very little data (not much light means little information is provided by the sensor, meaning the software needs to translate more), so I would not be surprised if HTC improved on this with a software update.
Here's hoping.
Really doesn't exist any software now?
Really doesn't exist any software now?
its a hardware limitation. the 7201 processor it uses can do video recording only at that resolution. Something to do with some licensing issue.
frankly, considering that the patent problem is only in the USA, and that htc is not launching the touch hd in the USA, they could have very easily used the better 7200 [it supports VGA recording, check out the Xperia X1i] chipset in the other countries...
What troubles me these days is that a lot of new phones have such poor video recording capabilities. My years old Nokia 6233 can film VGA @ 15FPS. This was, for it's time quite amazing. Soon the Nokia N series followed with VGA @ 30FPS.
Last week Apple introduced the Iphone 3G S. One of it's key features is the capability to record video at VGA 30FPS. This was a biggy for everyone, but I thought: WTF! What's so amazing about this?
Both HTC Android phones can now also film. This however is in very poor quality. I checked spec's from various different phones and noticed both the G1 and Magic have relatively the same spec's as Iphone's, Nokia N series etc. I got me wondering... Why is the video recording quality so poor? Is this a software issue, or is the hardware simply just not capable enough? This last thing would really surprise me when I compare the Android phones with my years old, 2 megapixel, Nokia 6233.
I'm in the market to buy a new phone. I want Android, but I also want a decent video recording capability. My question: Will the HTC G1 or Magic ever get VGA @ 30FPS recording, or is it simply not possible?
This needs to be moved to the general section. This is NOT a development question.
A lot of those phones may have a dedicated built-in video processor that can keep up with the intense amount of processing required for video processing.
dont respond to the posting until it gets moves, people need to fing learn where to post.
I think my question actually is a development question since I'm wondering wetter this is hardware capability issues or software/programming. What better place to ask then the place were people make the software and (hopefully) have knowledge of the hardware there programming on?
Hmmm, i wonder what the Dream applications and games section is for..? Oh, for things like this that doesn't involve ROM building and/or hacks possibly. Move the thread please
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please post in the correct threads or your post may well end in the trash!
To finally answer your question:
There's different types of VGA @ 30 FPS. There's the "Hey, this is actually a movie" kind, and the "Hmm, what was that ? Why is it ghosting?" kind.
The camera in the G1 (and the iPhone 2G and 3G, not 3GS) is closer to the second kind. You could shoot 30 frames per second @ VGA resolution, but it would look like crap.
So if this is important to you, get another phone.
there should be a way you could do at least sharp non ghosted [email protected] or [email protected], i have no idea how open the camera is on this phone though. it would be nice to get it less shakey at a cost to resolution. like most webcams
Hello,
what do you mean, the screen has the following resulution:
Wildlife 240 x 320 (8,1cm)
Diamond 480 x 640 (7,1cm)
If this resolution looks way worse or it looks okay?
you can see the pixels if you look closely, but the its fine really!
Maybe I'm just really picky, but I almost crapped myself when I saw "3.2" QVGA" on Edgadget >.< Pictures is probably fine but text will be a nightmare.
I had a play with one yesterday, texting is fine on it!
yes same with me. i am surprised about display quality. its really good.
its okay i think
depends on which you compare it
so compared to nexus one, htc desire / evo 4g / incredible etc the screen looks not as good as you hope but standalone its okay i think... not the best bot not the worth
^^ i thought, that it is clear, that you can not compare it to the amoled displays.
of the models which are sold for nearly double the prize.
beside this, it is a really good conventional display.
i agree. I lost my HTC magic, and afther a couple of days i agreed with buying this beautiful device. You cant compare it with the desire or legend, but i think for budget phones it is the best on the market! much better then the x10 mini!
the resolution is not really bad comparing with the desire.
yeah its okay i think
if you don't hold it 10cm near your eyes
im wondering...if wildfire just only got 240x320 resolution on 3.2 inches screen, so whats the advantages to have android 2.1 on it at all? i mean in terms of web browsing, gaming and photo shooting....i dont have any clue bout that
the apps which are compiled on android 2.1 source runs
thats the biggest benefit
@albert emmer: sorry i dont get your point. this means i should use windows 3.1 on my netbook instead of win7 because of its small 10.1 screen ???
1.5 (Cupcake)
Based on Linux Kernel 2.6.27 On 30 April 2009, the official 1.5 (Cupcake) update for Android was released.[35][36] There were several new features and UI updates included in the 1.5 update:[37]
Ability to record and watch videos through camcorder mode
Uploading videos to YouTube and pictures to Picasa directly from the phone
A new soft-keyboard with text-prediction
Bluetooth A2DP and AVRCP support
Ability to automatically connect to a Bluetooth headset within a certain distance
New widgets and folders that can populate the Home screens
Animated screen transitions
1.6 (Donut)
Based on Linux Kernel 2.6.29[38] On 15 September 2009, the 1.6 (Donut) SDK was released.[39][40] Included in the update were:[38]
An improved Android Market experience
An integrated camera, camcorder, and gallery interface
Gallery now enables users to select multiple photos for deletion
Updated Voice Search, with faster response and deeper integration with native applications, including the ability to dial contacts
Updated search experience to allow searching bookmarks, history, contacts, and the web from the home screen
Updated technology support for CDMA/EVDO, 802.1x, VPNs, and a text-to-speech engine
Support for WVGA screen resolutions
Speed improvements in searching and camera applications
Gesture framework and GestureBuilder development tool
2.0/2.1 (Eclair)
Based on Linux Kernel 2.6.29[41] On 26 October 2009 the 2.0 (Eclair) SDK was released.[42] Among the changes were:[43]
Optimized hardware speed
Support for more screen sizes and resolutions
Revamped UI
New Browser UI and HTML5 support
New contact lists
Better white-black ratio for backgrounds
Improved Google Maps 3.1.2
Microsoft Exchange support
Built in flash support for Camera
Digital Zoom
MotionEvent class enhanced to track multi-touch events[44]
Improved virtual keyboard
Bluetooth 2.1
Live Wallpapers
The 2.0.1 SDK was released on 3 December 2009.[45]
The 2.1 SDK was released on 12 January 2010.[46]
bro, its not bout screen size but the screen resolution. for example, you use 320x240 pixel picture as wallpaper on your 640x480 pixel screen. so how bout the display? it will stretched out the picture to fit with the screen. then u will find out the blocky effect on your screen. haha...
of course the resolution does matters. some games or apps require high resolution to run on that phone.
honestly, i love all the features that wildfire have but the screen resolution get me a lil bit upset=)
^^ no question about this. just wonder about your question about the benefits of 2.1 on this device, thats all bro ;-)
display quality is **** , but I am comparing it to my nexus one.
All other spec's I think are ok for a phone of this level but resolution could be a lot better.
Small resolution but it is a cheap device.
I am quite satisfied however.
HTC's marketing managers must be discharged: 320x240 for 3.2'' display????
Even good colors is not the solution.
Can see the pixels from 1m, browsing - f..d & stupid game.
Screen MUST be VGA.
I'm very angry: they break my dream (present it to my wife).