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HTC Blackstone / Touch HD

Hello partyppl.
Quick specs are
quote modaco post:
"Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Qualcomm 7201A processor @ 528MHz
512MB ROM / 256MB RAM (+32MB on processor)
WVGA
115mm x 62.8mm x 12mm
'In stores for Santa'
GPS / HSDPA etc. etc.
5 Megapixel camera (no flash)"
Enjoy the pictures.

what about the hardware and os ? will it be compatible with wm7 ?
it looks awsome anyway

that what i think it is?
dream?

*wrong post

That's a nice looking phone. HTC sure has many new and interesting models coming

I love this phone

looks GREAT to me

Finaly, Htc made their own big touch-screen, sure beats iPhone and Xperia (3.5 and 3.0):333
Tech and Os specs would be great !

Taken off of Engadget

I am using Hermes (AT&T). Was very tempted to get Kaiser. And I've been saving money for Touch Pro.... I really hope they will make Touch HD Pro with a slide-out keyboard and normal audio jack (not a mini-USB).
P.S. iPhone sucks!

looks good, kind of like the omnia. and actually, the iphone doesn't suck.

nemets said:
I am using Hermes (AT&T). Was very tempted to get Kaiser. And I've been saving money for Touch Pro.... I really hope they will make Touch HD Pro with a slide-out keyboard and normal audio jack (not a mini-USB).
P.S. iPhone sucks!
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i don't think that it has an keyboard, its too small

If they ever release a CDMA version i'm getting one. If it has a capacitive touchscreen, i'll be in heaven.

I so want that, I posted earlier and now when I`ve seen specs etc. it looks promising.
I might upgrade my Kaiser to that when time comes

As nice as the phone looks to be, I can't help but say I'm disappointed in HTC. I feel they are oversaturating the market with products and not allowing any one phone to have some sort of longevitiy. This phone makes the Diamond the new Touch Cruise and the Touch Cruise the new Touch. Over time people will realize that if you wait a few months something much better is going to come out from HTC, so you may as well wait for it.
This is really shocking to see so soon after the Diamond, which really hasn't even had a chance to peak in the market if you ask me. Any potential sale they were going to have with the Diamond is probably gone now. HTC needs to consolidate their offerings to put out better spec'd equipment and to give people their money's worth.
But still, nice phone.

Here is what I posted on the other thread with some pictures I am using from the original post over at the other forum...
Here are some more pictures....taken from here:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/272214/introducing-the-htc-touch-hd/

halorin said:
As nice as the phone looks to be, I can't help but say I'm disappointed in HTC. I feel they are oversaturating the market with products and not allowing any one phone to have some sort of longevitiy. This phone makes the Diamond the new Touch Cruise and the Touch Cruise the new Touch. Over time people will realize that if you wait a few months something much better is going to come out from HTC, so you may as well wait for it.
This is really shocking to see so soon after the Diamond, which really hasn't even had a chance to peak in the market if you ask me. Any potential sale they were going to have with the Diamond is probably gone now. HTC needs to consolidate their offerings to put out better spec'd equipment and to give people their money's worth.
But still, nice phone.
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I kinda feel the same way. I was just getting ready to upgrade my Sprint Touch for the soon to be released Touch Diamond, but then I see this which is just about perfect for my needs.
I'll probably still get the Touch Diamond for now and plan to upgrade next in 2009 to a WM7 device, well unless this gets a capacitive touchscreen then it'll have to be mine.

EliteXen said:
I kinda feel the same way. I was just getting ready to upgrade my Sprint Touch for the soon to be released Touch Diamond, but then I see this which is just about perfect for my needs.
I'll probably still get the Touch Diamond for now and plan to upgrade next in 2009 to a WM7 device, well unless this gets a capacitive touchscreen then it'll have to be mine.
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Notice how the baby does not have a joystick?
How are you going to Scroll Zoom without that Capacitive JoyPad?
Not to start the Rumour Mill or anything but..... Maybe you should be a nice boy so Santa takes good care of you
Just let me dream a bit here.

agree, cannot imagine how to use windows mobile without d-pad? is it a fault?

Really a nice model!
Only problem I see, there is no keyboard... but still is a good candidate
Screen is 3.?" right?

MASSIVE HTC-Lineup Leake... Enjoy the eyecandy!

Hello guyz.. just stumbled across this on a site that I usually visit. Thought I would share this with you and get your comments...
Chk out HTCs 2009 lineup of phones...

Some more...
Here are some more phones they are planning to release...

The last set of 'em... I am just going Maaad!!!
You can view a lot more here at this link...
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4509.html

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Here are some more phones they are planning to release...
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im not buying another HTC phone till they change their touch screens
im gonna stick with my HD for the next 1-2 years

The Witestone w, Topaz and firestone looks like they will be a treat , especially the whitestone w

Now if only they could get together with PlasticLogic ...

duttythroy said:
The Witestone w, Topaz and firestone looks like they will be a treat , especially the whitestone w
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that was gonna be my next post.. ahhaha
but yet again.. i want multi touch and HARD screen on my next phone

yeh, those three look very sleek and hot!!

Fonk ! I know for most of us here it's not a deal breaker however as far as I can see there is not A SINGLE one with a decent camera w flash !!!
It's a shame !
It might turn out that next gen OMNIAs (when they leak ) will be better !

WOW, great find! It looks like its going to be a good year if all these do make it to final versions.
Am I seeing things or do the Topaz and Rhodium have AT&T written in parenthesis!? Man, I sure hope AT&T gets these devices and hopefully by summer, might just have to wait off on upgrading to the Fuze when my time comes in the next 5/6 months if this is true!

Rhodium will be the such expected HD Touch Pro!!
I can´t wait to have it!!

haha i just got on xda to post this, but i've been beaten to it. I think it's odd that they only have a keyboard version coming to the US, but no plain HD version. Hopefully that will change and maybe i'll change over to a 3g version of the HD.

orb3000 said:
Rhodium will be the such expected HD Touch Pro!! I can´t wait to have it!!
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Finally some good news for you bro! U've been waiting on a HD w/keyboard for months
I'm like'n that whitestone so far!

If they are still rocking resistive screens on the higher-end models I am not going to be a happy camper.
And seriously where is the flash? These geniuses are going to have 14 megapixel cameras without flash... lolz.

*crys... I went with the touch pro and paid near full price simply because i wanted a keyboard... Now it looks like they are bringing out a HD with keyboard.... *WAAhhhhhh!

nu_D said:
If they are still rocking resistive screens on the higher-end models I am not going to be a happy camper.
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Neither will I. I won't buy another HTC model with a resistive screen. Sorry guys, the capacitive screen is so much better...

personally i don't mind the resistive screen at all, especially since now they are 95%+ as responsive as the capacitive. Not to mention i like the ability of using my phone with gloves on (cold days suk)

More info at:
http://www.wmexperts.com/htcs-entire-2009-lineup-leaked
Here's a comment on this page left by an Anonymous poster:
Quite simple,the Iolite,everybody knows what model is (a Touch Pro,without keyboard and less scrrem resolution and style XD),The Mapple (3G T-Mobile Excalibur) and the Twin (GSM+EVDO version of the Iolite) too,Topaz it´s a Touch Diamond with a bigger,higher (I guess) resolution display and an AT&T version,the Citrine and the Topaz C are the Touch Dual versions of the Topaz (the C is a T-Mobile version),Rodium it's a evolution of the HTC Wing with a Verizon edition (Rhodium W) and the Tungsten it's the T-Mobile version (also in US) of the Rhodium and the Tungsten W,the Sprint one,the Willow W its the Sprint mensager and the Cedar W,the GSM version of the Willow W,Beryl it's the evolution of the Touch 3G and not the Touch HD,Firestone it's the Touch Max with LTE and not Wimax (I recognize the style and the low white triangle symbol XD),Whitestone W is an evolution of the Touch HD (Blackstone) with high multimedia features like TV and a stand,the Thoth is the Athena evolution now with the magnetic keyboard of the X7510 and maybe it's only by T-Mobile,Magnetic is the Iolite evolution,I have some bad news about new Android phone G2 (Sapphire),first it will come to Vodafone,then to DoCoMo,and so then in it's 2.0 version to a free-SIM version,Jasper C it's another menager from Sprint asa TyTn II evolution in CDMA,Hero is the more colorful evolution of the G1 (maybe only the colors) and Memphis is the GSM/3G version of the Japer C as an evolution of the TyTn II! I hope this being helpfull!
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So Whitestone might be the replacement for Blackstone (with a stand. possible tv-out? or even digital tv built in), obvious really when you look at the names. The Rhodium doesn't appear to be the Touch HD pro, probably a Xperia type device with 3.2" display and keyboard.

Svegetto said:
haha i just got on xda to post this, but i've been beaten to it. I think it's odd that they only have a keyboard version coming to the US, but no plain HD version. Hopefully that will change and maybe i'll change over to a 3g version of the HD.
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I know.. as soon as I saw this on the site, I could not resist and wanted to share with you all immediately. Its so exiting seeing so many models. Hope most of them will come with captitave screens with WM 6.5 Since WM 7 is delayed forever.

Hmmmm, the future is HTC!
There are no details about screen, OS etc is there?
Some sleak design there, going to be an interesting year for smart phones. Will they make less because of the Global economy or will they make more to stimulate spending?
HTC are on it we just need an OS for the future.
Nice post!!

What's my NEXT phone? Opinions please

I have the titan (verizon) and LOVE it! But I am wondering what my next phone should be. I use mine for GPS (inav), photos, internet tethering, music, flashlight, ebooks, and microsoft apps. Is this the best verizon has to offer at this point, or what should my next phone be? My contract has expired, and I want to upgrade if there is something better, I want the same functionality, but perhaps thinner, sleeker, and more advanced. Any advice on certain model forums would be great.

Wait for the HTC Touch Pro 2... Out late this year - most likely in the fall.

I am waiting for touch pro 2 as well. I am gonna hold on until TP2 goes down for 299 before I make a move. I am sure it will start out for 599 on sprint.
There is already rumor something called superstar project name phone competing with TP2. Sound like it is gonna be SUPER

I started looking
My natural inclination had me look around, the touch pro looks the best at this point, and the touch pro 2 will likely drop the price of the touch pro! Also the touch pro 2 doesn't appear to have a light which is like a lifesaver for me, no flashlight is a huge loss for me, I use it as a flashlight multiple times A DAY!

samuel1613 said:
My natural inclination had me look around, the touch pro looks the best at this point, and the touch pro 2 will likely drop the price of the touch pro! Also the touch pro 2 doesn't appear to have a light which is like a lifesaver for me, no flashlight is a huge loss for me, I use it as a flashlight multiple times A DAY!
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doubt the tp would actually drop in price, sure might go on sale but the mogul was still its normal price the day sprint took it off their website for the TP.

samuel1613 said:
Also the touch pro 2 doesn't appear to have a light which is like a lifesaver for me, no flashlight is a huge loss for me, I use it as a flashlight multiple times A DAY!
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HUH? The HTC Titan doesn't have a built-in flashlight either! In less you consider opening up a browser and using it's white background as a source of "flashlight". OOOooh..... you're using the Camera Flash as a flashlight! Right?

88cavalierz24 said:
doubt the tp would actually drop in price, sure might go on sale but the mogul was still its normal price the day sprint took it off their website for the TP.
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The thing I'm considering is buying a used/clean ESN Touch Pro from someone selling them on Craigslist and then activating/flashing that. Used Touch Pros are going for about $240-$300 right now. My contract expires in August so I am considering all options at the moment. The Palm Pre is interesting but I've enjoyed too much WinMo 6.1 and having a phone that really has all my data sync'd.

moblues said:
HUH? The HTC Titan doesn't have a built-in flashlight either! In less you consider opening up a browser and using it's white background as a source of "flashlight". OOOooh..... you're using the Camera Flash as a flashlight! Right?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318330

HTC Verizon Touch Pro
moblues said:
The thing I'm considering is buying a used/clean ESN Touch Pro from someone selling them on Craigslist and then activating/flashing that. Used Touch Pros are going for about $240-$300 right now. My contract expires in August so I am considering all options at the moment. The Palm Pre is interesting but I've enjoyed too much WinMo 6.1 and having a phone that really has all my data sync'd.[/QUOT]
Check this out...
http://www.htc.letstalk.com/product/product.htm?prId=34867&corpId=686
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What to get after the HD?

I've got to say I love my HD. Almost everything about it... The big let down for me is the camera. I can get some fantastic shots out in the open during the day. But go inside and introduce people to shot and its a crock of ****. I've got the topaz cam cab installed but it makes little difference. Nearly all pictures of my kids come out blurry.
So, I've started looking around for what to get next. Sadly, at the moment, I dont seem to be able to find anything that comes close to my expectations. That Toshiba TG01 sounds good, but I hate the look of it. I like the look of the HTC Hero, but reviews let it down, saying its essentially a magic with a style upgrade.
What are other people considering after their Touch HD's?

The Omnia II looks like a great phone and would be the phone I would upgrade to, but since its not a HTC phone it gets no XDA support which could be a big blow (is for me). If your okay with that, I'd recommended the Omnia II.

It feels as if we have come to the end of the road whit the Blackstone,
yet there is nothing new at the horison.
The next thing I expect from a phone is multitouch, still only iPhone
has that to offer. Isnt that strange?
Basicly Id like a HTC Hero whit better hardware, multitouch and something new...
Read about nVidia haveing a new better chipset and prosessor.
When will that hit the market?

I agree with you KB, lack of XDA support is a big no no for me as well.
Ethania, pardon me being a newb, but what defines a multitouch device?
Which current HTC product has the best camera?

I'm looking for something with mindows mo/symbian, better camera with flash, no bigger than the touch hd and lots of programs to play with.
Currently looking at the Omnia 2, Omnia HD, N97/86 or waiting for HTC to make a phone with a decent camera. I played with a mates SE C905 yesterday and I could see myself going for the Omnia 2 or Omnia HD for the camera - miles better than anything on a HTC device.

Dilinja said:
Ethania, pardon me being a newb, but what defines a multitouch device?
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I would say:
A device which tracks more than one point on the screen simultaniously.
How does that sound? Maybe Im forgetting some important technical term,
but for us mortals, I think this is enough

i wish id held out for an n97 having been a nokia man for years naturally i wanted a n97 but im on o2 and they dont want to sell it because here in the uk that's who you get an iphone with, so i got a touch hd and im deeply disappointed no 3d graphics, crap camera, no native networking/file sharing support, slow wifi transfer speeds, crap video playback, poor music player all things i could do out of the box without hasstle on my old 1st gen n95! not to mention its SLOW!!!
i shouldn't have to hack n mod my phone to make it work reasonably
touch hd for sale 2 months old good as new !!lol!!
sorry if im ranting just for my first winmob im not impressed

matt_not_andrew said:
I'm looking for something with mindows mo/symbian, better camera with flash, no bigger than the touch hd and lots of programs to play with.
Currently looking at the Omnia 2, Omnia HD, N97/86 or waiting for HTC to make a phone with a decent camera. I played with a mates SE C905 yesterday and I could see myself going for the Omnia 2 or Omnia HD for the camera - miles better than anything on a HTC device.
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If you don't mind waiting, the HTC Firestone/Leo is suppose to come this year and is supposed to be the successor to the BlackStone/HD. I think it upgrades all of the hardware.

www.zii.com

kevin666 said:
www.zii.com
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Looks good, but what the hell?
Can u put win mob on it? Is it android only?

kevin666 said:
www.zii.com
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I thought the Zii Plaszma was just a media player? like an ipod touch, so no phone...

Killer Bee said:
If you don't mind waiting, the HTC Firestone/Leo is suppose to come this year and is supposed to be the successor to the BlackStone/HD. I think it upgrades all of the hardware.
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Thank you Killer Bee, this is exactly what Im looking for
Hopefully the camera will be better in low light situs than the touch HDs cam.
The Leo looks effing brilliant

I like the Omnia 2 but couldn't stand the dangling stylus! Why can't they build it into the device!
I like the HTC design but is disappointed with its quality. My HD has to go back to service twice and the service centre is in another state so the turnaround is slow.
After sales service is important for me and I understand there is a Samsung walk-in service centre here in Sydney Australia.

The NEXT PHONE...
Sony Ericsson Xperia X3 (Rachael)...

Excellent Now I have two to choose from when they arrive, the X3 and the Leo
To be fair Ive always got on well with Sonys. The cameras are always tip top on them.

walkin service sounds like a winner - I like the fact that there are many SE ad Nokia centres around the UK but I'm yet to see a drop in HTC one - although their base is in Milton Keynes which is in the next county - still too far and too many annoying roundabouts!

kevin666 said:
www.zii.com
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The Zii isn't a phone though.

did a quick research and I think there are three or maybe 4 devices to wait for -- SE X2 , SE X3 , HTC Leo -- theyre all almost equal by spec except Leo has more ram (screen size doesnt count ) the fourth device (60% that Im wrong) could be the rumored HTC device with Nvidia chipset-- I have a big "I dont know or Im confused" about that device, cuz maybe its the Leo with the chipset!!!
BTW: what happened to those rumors about microsoft phone with tegra??

sorry - double post - some connection issues!

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
BTW: what happened to those rumors about microsoft phone with tegra??
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They were just that, rumours.
The upcoming Zune HD will use the Tegra chipset but, like the Zii that was linked-to on the previous page, it's just a media player.

Buy a Touch Dimond 2 or wait.....

Hi all,
Thinking about buying the HTC touch diamond 2. The thing is I like the look of samsung omnia 2, which has better specs than the diamond, however I prefer touchflo 3D and the form factor of the diamond and it seems a safer bet, plus it has the custom roms and excellent support of these forums
Now the diamond 2 has been out a while so would you still buy one now, or would you wait? Also are they usually reliable or are they prone to bad ones?
Cheers

I'd wait, Leo just got announced
that is, if you can wait

You should definately wait some months, don't buy a D2 then get dissapointed when HTC announce yet another phone. HD2 will definately be a phone you want to buy.

The Diamond 2 came out in April. Well that was 6 months ago. In 6 months the D3 will be out and so will other phones. You will be disappointed if you buy it now and learner that in 4 months a better phone will be out. I'd say upgrade to the HD2 or get the Omnia if you want it. I'm sure there will be a cook that will get TouchFlo3D onto it. Many people have it running on their Xperias. It's all WinMo so it all works the same.

TD2 is a fine phone and if it's in your budget and like the form factor then it's definately worth considering. You could wait for the next version but then you are playing the waiting game and you could end up without.
I have had the TD2 since it came out in the UK which is only some 6 months or so ago and I will be upgrading to the HD2 which is a phone with everything I need.

Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.

Cheers for the comments, I agree that the touch HD2 looks like an awesome bit of kit it just seems a bit on the huge size, and where at work I need to carry a blackberry around pocket space is hard to come by!
As a side note if I would get the touch diamond 2 I would get it on a 12 month contract so it would not be a huge amount of time to wait if say a snapdragon diamond 3 came out
Please keep the comments coming

I'd wait a few weeks and see what the n900 is like in the flesh. I wstched a couple of video's of it yesterday and I was taken.
Having had nseries phones up till I got my Diamond, O just wsn't immpressed with their touchscreen efforts, I went for the Topaz. Granted, ot is the best looking, both in terms of form factor, and the gui, my homescreem looks ****ing awesome for what is essentially a phone, and i'm on stock!
Having went onto maemos site snd had a hands on look at some of the developers using it, this thing looks amazing, the browser and desktop are totally stunning. The specs for it something else too.
Although the Topaz is highly moddable, most of them are to do with the look and user funtuality, not like the things you could do with a symbian device. Look for thing on here called phonejacker or something, I could do this on my n95, over bluetooth 2years ago, by simply running a python commamd, look at kerfuffle to get working on winmo. I could also use my phone as a wii remote. It's those type of things that I don't like about my Topaz, the potential to do things woth winmo, but after appearance, the nokia was better device.
If this kind of functionality can be brought to the maemo5 platform, then it's hasty goodbye this wonderful piece of eyecandy.

Why I don't doubt what your saying I have personally never been a fan of the symbian OS. Hence why I am stickign with WinMo its not the best but it does everything you want it just sometimes takes a long while to get there!

The n900 doesn't run symnian, it's on linux based maemo5.

The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?

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The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?
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Thanks Phil,
That kinda summs up where I am, the HD2 is an awesome speced phone but too big for me really, plus I have just got a 4.3" screen Archos 605 which will do a better job with video playback due to the higher colour pallet.
I think I just need to pay the money and get something, if something new comes out then a upgrade is a year away or just have to sell the TD2 and buy it sim-free worst comes worst. I know the TD2 has been out 6 month, but with the version just released in the USA I think it will most likely be sticking about for a while.

loriolus said:
Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!

I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.

Thank you everyone for you help,
Just ordered my Diamond 2 ! Very excited it will be replacing my old W850i

loriolus said:
Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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Yeah but the Pure is on AT&T. Most people wouldn't want to switch over for many reasons. Like they are under contract, They Have a better plan than they can get on AT&T, Their network coverage is better.
And for people like me we love unlocked phones. We travel internationally and it's great to just swap sim cards without having to call the SP to unlock the phone. It's just worth it to pay the moey. Especially when your the only one to have it an people ask what phone it is and if they can get it. And I say In 6-12 months mebe. ok I don't say that but I would.
And for me I have a $40 my faves plan with 1500 txt messages and $5.99 unlimited data plan on T-Mo. I pay about $56 after taxes and all a month. I can use every feature of the phone and it works great on edge an T-mo has nothing to say about it.
The HD2 seems big. The HD seemed big but over the summer I got to actually see one in person while in Greece and I regreted not buying it over the TD2. It was smaller and thinner than I thought and it fit comfortably in my hand. The extra money it would have cost over the TD2 though is what initially changed my mind If I new how it looked in person I woulda paid the extra money.
If the HD2 isn't much bigger I may opt for it. But I hate txting on capacitive screens. Txting is so much faster, easier, and accurate on resistive screens.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!
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That's right.Thinner is better.
loriolus said:
I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.
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Actually read my first response above. 3rd paragraph. If people see it in person they may change their minds as I did with the HD. I would love to see it in person first before I buy it but many people may be surprised.
Make a paper/cardboard cut out of the size and try to imagine it.

Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.

loriolus said:
Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.
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comparing it to the TD2 there would be a differnce. but after holding a Touch HD the hight and wiidth didnt matter much because the thinness made up for it. especially when in the pocket.
What i was saying that if the HD2 wasnt much bigger than the HD than its worth it. The original HD was iphone sized with a larger screen. The HD 2 is a little taller and wider but thinner. a few mm aint that big a difference. But before i make final judgnent like i did with the HD I'd like to see it in person.

Hd is at the maximum tolerable size I think, and I quite like the design. Looks much more modern than HD2. Few mm on a phone is very noticable.

Personally, i was gonna get a diamond 2 but... yesterday the hd2 got anounced.... so i think im gonna wait a little while longer because the specs on the hd2 are amazing