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Time to replace the Hermes! But what with? Your advice needed!

Hi all,
Like most people who bought the Vario II in the first week it came out, it is time the contract is up... so I am looking for a new toy!!
I was originally tempted to get the Toshiba G900 before it came out, but the lack of a transflective screen, 3G-only, and the "won't wake up" problem were TOO MUCH for me to take! Even though it has nice resolution.
Kaiser sounds nice but it isn't really a very big step forward from the Hermes... yea its got better graphics and a built-in GPS, but not much else really. Not even a VGA screen. Probably not worth shelling out £500 for.
The E-Ten X800 (originally X500+) in theory is a very good candidate, but it is still not out!! Same with iMate's Ultimate series.
So what should I do?
Is the Touch worth the money?
Or should I go iPhone?
Or just keep the Hermes for another year...
Any advice welcome!
Thanks.

I'd keep the Hermes until something a little more revolutionary comes out.
But this did catch my eye the other day. Pretty much comparable to the Hermes (datawise, camera, etc.) but it's still not a big jump up from the Hermes if at all. But it does have a form factor I prefer (QWERTY always accessible without the flipping and rotation juggle).
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=147071
Until the iPhone gets GPS, 3G, real OTA sync (Exchange or otherwise) and 3rd-party apps, it just can't compare. It is a joy to use and pretty to look at, but the functionality is way thin coming from a Windows Mobile, BlackBerry or even Palm device.

The new Nokia with the clamshell keyboard design and the keypad on the outside looks intriguing. However, if you're in the US, not sure if it supports US 3G bands.

sickchilly said:
I'd keep the Hermes until something a little more revolutionary comes out.
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Same here, unless I get a good upgrade.

I was going to replace my Hermes with the Kaiser, untill i noticed there is no LED flashlight. Horrible. I happen to use it as a regular source of light in various conditions with VJcandela. So i guess i'll just have to wait untill the Kaiser comes with a flashlight...

Prerna said:
Same here, unless I get a good upgrade.
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Same here......................

okay, i read the tread this time
keep your hermes.

Ok so sounds like I should keep mine then!
But I'll probably still get an iPhone, and put it on eBay.

wywywywy said:
Ok so sounds like I should keep mine then!
But I'll probably still get an iPhone, and put it on eBay.
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iphones suck... aside from the beauty factor. functionality wise, they cant hold a candle to the hermes or kaiser.

Yea I know, and so does iPod.
I bet there will be a shortage in the Europe and some general iPod-fanatics who don't know much except hair-care products will pay any price to get it.
This is UK not US so there is no AT&T lock-in.

wywywywy said:
Yea I know, and so does iPod.
I bet there will be a shortage in the Europe and some general iPod-fanatics who don't know much except hair-care products will pay any price to get it.
This is UK not US so there is no AT&T lock-in.
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pretty good business decision. you can probably sell it for twice what its worth. thats what happened here when people were dying for the iphone.

worthy upgrade
man,
i think u should go for something like the sony vaio UMPC.
or maybe the HTC OMNI when it comes out(it's sexy )
i'd upgrade when something similar to HTC universal comes out with 5" vga/better screen, vista ultimate ,80 gigs(ok, i'll settle for 40 for a start) and a truckload of connectivity options..(much like a tablet pc, but with UNIVERSAL form factor)

Yea I've got my eyes on the OQO UMPCs, because they have good transflective screens... but I have way too many gadgets already!
Vario II, XDA IIi, Nokia 770 (internet tablet), desktop, HTPC, rackmount home server, ITX automation server, car PC, home laptop, work laptop... not sure what I am going to do with an UMPC really!

Instead of the OQO, I'd wait for the HTC Switch. Looks like a much better package than the OQO2.

It's almost feeling like keep the Hermes for another year - all the other stuff (including the Omni) just looks too big - I was put off the universal because I felt it looked terrible.
Hermes just about has it all...
...although if a Treo came out with wifi and as loadsa ram...I might be tempted back...

TAKEN THE FINAL WALK :) Athena has to go

After much huffing and puffing i have finally put the nail in my ATHENA experience for the past 7 months.
I have really enjoyed using it but it just falls short in a few major areas for me to continue.
1.Its just TOO BIG as a phone, its ok when im sat down but at weekends and evenings its just too annoying to carry about, removing the sim is like surgery so i dont want to do that too often
2. Its just TOO SMALL to be a half decent laptop, The browser sucks and how ever much you dress up WM6 its just Not XP!
3. I dont drive a car so GPS means nothing to me
So my missus has kindly given me her LG viewty upgrade as a early xmas pressie and today i finally won a bid on ebay for a black EEE pc so thats that.
The viewty is a cracking phone and it feels really weird to hold something so small again as a phone.
It can teach the athena a few lessons as well.
1. It plays back DIVX PERFECTLY full screen no jumping out of the BOX! why the athena is so crap at this is beyond me.
2.It streams movies and TV much better via ORB .. NO BUFERING!
3.Its compatable with Mobile TV .. SKY FOOTY for £5 here i come. You can even connect it to a TV like the Athena.
Obviously theres loads it cant do but too be honest i feel like i have dropped a burden carrying that thing about
with me.
If i was a regular driver and would use the GPS i would keep it, i dont really use any of the Office apps either.
So up on EBAY it goes , superlight weight LAP top and almost feather like phone here i come

spacecat said:
After much huffing
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Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.

Your contributions on these forums will be missed despite the idiot who posted the previous wasteful and utterly pointless previous comment.. i am considering a move away too and i have a choice of phones to keep and the sale of my Athena will fund my next purchase just waiting for reviews of the shift to see if i want one or not!!! Enjoy the eee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm thinking of trading in my Athena for a Viewty or N95 8gb, but they don't seem to be going for very much. I'd have to supplement my Athena (or rather, Ameo) about 90quid at Cex to get a Viewty.
How much did you get for your Ameo Spacecat?

I am still using the Ameo for mobile internet at which it is great, as a phone it is useless to be honest so I still use the Artemis for voice related stuff.
What I want next is the Touch Cruse as this has everything to die for as far as I am concerned, I have just got the wife a Touch (elf) and its a great bit of kit, add the extras the Touch Cruse has on board and this has to be the best combo unit going.
I very nearly got the Viewty yesterday, but I found the attraction of the Touch better - all I need to do is teach HID to use it! (this could take some time) - Mike

mikealder said:
I am still using the Ameo for mobile internet at which it is great, as a phone it is useless to be honest so I still use the Artemis for voice related stuff.
What I want next is the Touch Cruse as this has everything to die for as far as I am concerned, I have just got the wife a Touch (elf) and its a great bit of kit, add the extras the Touch Cruse has on board and this has to be the best combo unit going.
I very nearly got the Viewty yesterday, but I found the attraction of the Touch better - all I need to do is teach HID to use it! (this could take some time) - Mike
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Just stuck my Ameo on Ebay!
£298 with the 4-in-1 and a mini keyboard/mouse.
Good price I think.
N95 8GB for me I think!

SupraSkylineSTI said:
Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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Your a bit of a **** mate, nevermind one day you may grow one!

SupraSkylineSTI said:
Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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i guess a 1 day ban was not enough for u.. maybe u need some more.

SupraSkylineSTI said:
Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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I guess you want another ban, lets make it longer, say a week?
if you are rude after this is a permanent one.

Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you

leoni1980 said:
Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you
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how about a polaris? i will be cooking under it so u'll still enjoy me roms there. has everything u want in a thin package except the video recording.

Pawel062 said:
how about a polaris? i will be cooking under it so u'll still enjoy me roms there. has everything u want in a thin package except the video recording.
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yes ive looked at that but it will be a long time before Cex have one of those for me to exchange my vouchers for.
Just out of interest, what is it that prevents the possibilty of hacking Vga 30fps capability into some of the newer windows mobile devices?
Is this capability entirely hardware driven?
Cheers Pawel

leoni1980 said:
yes ive looked at that but it will be a long time before Cex have one of those for me to exchange my vouchers for.
Just out of interest, what is it that prevents the possibilty of hacking Vga 30fps capability into some of the newer windows mobile devices?
Is this capability entirely hardware driven?
Cheers Pawel
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no clue. never done something like that but i have one of the best teams under my belt. no promises but if someone reminds me we'll try to do this once we have our polaris' in hand.

leoni1980 said:
Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you
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wait and a get a viewty, cracking fone

spacecat said:
wait and a get a viewty, cracking fone
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I went for the N95. I know I had one and I know I gave it away to my fiance, but I kind of missed it....
I've just installed the very latest firmware and I'm super impressed. The camera shutter and processing speed is IMPRESSIVELY improved and therefore much more useful than it once was. There's updated maps software, 30% higher battery life and everything just seems great. To be honest I prefer the reassuring tactility of a keypad to touchscreen impact, and for £100 less than the Viewty I don't think I'm missing out on it.
I will say that on second impression I did really like the Viewty, and if it wasn't for a gang of insurance phone blocking scammers operating in derby I would be using one right now, but maybe it does pay to go back to your old club.
I bought a Nokia N800 yesterday on Ebay for no less than 100 quid. Now with the official upgrade release of OS2008 on this device and the fact that the N95 supports SAP, as does the N800 I'm hoping the two will work together and give me a multimedia combination to rock the Athena's socks off.

someone else had the same idea....
http://vaibhavsharma.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/the-perfect-pair/

me too.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just bit the bullet and bought a flybook A33i for a bargain price so my athenas got to go to keep the wife happy might keep the artemis (depends on price i get for athena) to still have a hold on WM and xdas however much i hate the os its a love hate relationship

Got my EEE pc yesterday.
Its actually smaller than i thought it was in the shop.
excellent screen , excellent build quality .. looks like it should cost a lot more.
now to install XP

spzero said:
just bit the bullet and bought a flybook A33i for a bargain price so my athenas got to go to keep the wife happy might keep the artemis (depends on price i get for athena) to still have a hold on WM and xdas however much i hate the os its a love hate relationship
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My dad has a flybook A33i, its nice

spacecat said:
Got my EEE pc yesterday.
Its actually smaller than i thought it was in the shop.
excellent screen , excellent build quality .. looks like it should cost a lot more.
now to install XP
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be sure to register with eeeuser.com for help with setup, patches and mods.

Are you guys going to upgrade (soon) to the Touch Diamond?

Not sure if this has been asked before on this forum, so I'll ask now..
The Touch Diamond has been around for a couple of months now, and will be coming to all countries very soon. Do you guys think it's worth it to make the upgrade from Elf/Elfin to the Diamond?
I guess it all depends on what your needs are. I mean I don't watch videos on it, and I mainly use it for PIMs, documents and GPS.
However, the Diamond has the following features which look very enticing:
- Higher res
- Better procesor
- Better camera
- Integrated GPS (no more Bluetooth receivers!)
- Almost same height but thinner than Elf
PIMs/Camera/GPS/MP3 in one unit is pretty amazing.
I'm thinking of getting a used Elfin (a second one) just for ROM cooking purposes, but now I think I could save that couple hundred dollars on a future Diamond (along with selling my current Elfin to help pay for it).

I might be. It's a matter of funds and what kind of limitations Rogers puts on getting one. I really don't see a need to upgrade to better phone when I have had to nerf some of the features on my Elfin because Rogers wants my first born child as payment to use them.

sprecker said:
I might be. It's a matter of funds and what kind of limitations Rogers puts on getting one. I really don't see a need to upgrade to better phone when I have had to nerf some of the features on my Elfin because Rogers wants my first born child as payment to use them.
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Hmm. Do you think Rogers will get the Touch Diamond? No word yet as far as I can tell. Rogers already has the new iPhone; Bell has the Samsung Instinct, and Telus is coming out with the Touch Diamond.

The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color is crappy comparing to iPhone.
I think I'll wait for the next model.

DairyKnight said:
The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color is crappy comparing to iPhone.
I think I'll wait for the next model.
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Why should it always come down to comparing to the iPhone? It's a great Windows Mobile phone in its own right. And the iPhone is only 480x320 with a bigger screen.

I'll buy the first NAM 3G device that is as small as the Touch. I've been waiting patiently for a very long time. To answer your question, absofrigginlutely.

The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life. That's why I have a penchant for the iPhone 3G at the moment. Is the battery life so terrible?

not convinced by TD, will wait for X1 and omnia ..

MaroO said:
The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life. That's why I have a penchant for the iPhone 3G at the moment. Is the battery life so terrible?
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No MicroSD? Ouch, that sucks, how can we do a backup of our files? I guess the memory is divided into 2 places for storage then.

Yes, it's second 4 GB storage visible as Internal Memory.

Well then, it's really not that bad then

Waiting for PRO
I just pre-ordered the Touch Pro. I need the microSD.

indiana99 said:
I just pre-ordered the Touch Pro. I need the microSD.
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Whoa, that keyboard really adds a lot of thickness.
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-touch-pro-aka-raphael-hands-on-video-and-images-2712290.php

Best HTC phone of 2008???
I currently have the Touch and recently upgraded the ROM...very nice with GPS.
I will definitely upgrade if Sprint will let me keep my retention plan and not switch to the everything plan.
This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com
Anyone disagree? I think I agree...it should be an awesome phone.

onitalwin said:
This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: [B]http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com[/B]
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Well this website is going to be biased for obvious reasons

onitalwin said:
I currently have the Touch and recently upgraded the ROM...very nice with GPS.
I will definitely upgrade if Sprint will let me keep my retention plan and not switch to the everything plan.
This website says the Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com
Anyone disagree? I think I agree...it should be an awesome phone.
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Yeah, the G-sensor is amazing... have you seen Teeter? Link to video: http://www.vimeo.com/996448
If you have incoming call and you'll turn Diamond screen to bottom it will stop ringing, but won't discard call... great

Touch Diamond best phone of the year
This site that says the HTC Touch Diamond will be the best phone of 2008: http://www.mytouch-diamond-phone.com
Does anyone agree or disagree??? I currently have the HTC Touch...great phone. Also does anyone know if Sprint will force me to upgrade to their everything plan or can I keep my current retention plan when I upgrade to the Touch Diamond? Thanks.

I just upgraded from an Atom to an Elf on Monday, so I don't think I'll be moving up to the Touch Diamond any time soon ;-). Personally, these top flight units cost waaay to much money for me to consider being an early adopter. However, if it came down to it and I had to upgrade, I would personally go for the Touch Pro over the Diamond because of the keyboard and microSD slot. The extra thickness isn't that great but I think the keyboard would outweigh that con.

i have a tytn II and are going to swap as soon as the touch pro comes out, the dimond to me seams no better than mine at the moment, and i want a qwerty keyboard like the tytnII

Not yet
DairyKnight said:
The 2.8'' screen sounds too small for 640x480 res. Also 65k color ...
I think I'll wait for the next model.
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The only thing that worries me about the Touch Diamond in the inavailability of a microSD slot and battery life
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I will wait too... i am quiet happy with my 1$ elf ;-)

HTC Blackstone / Touch HD

Hello partyppl.
Quick specs are
quote modaco post:
"Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Qualcomm 7201A processor @ 528MHz
512MB ROM / 256MB RAM (+32MB on processor)
WVGA
115mm x 62.8mm x 12mm
'In stores for Santa'
GPS / HSDPA etc. etc.
5 Megapixel camera (no flash)"
Enjoy the pictures.

what about the hardware and os ? will it be compatible with wm7 ?
it looks awsome anyway

that what i think it is?
dream?

*wrong post

That's a nice looking phone. HTC sure has many new and interesting models coming

I love this phone

looks GREAT to me

Finaly, Htc made their own big touch-screen, sure beats iPhone and Xperia (3.5 and 3.0):333
Tech and Os specs would be great !

Taken off of Engadget

I am using Hermes (AT&T). Was very tempted to get Kaiser. And I've been saving money for Touch Pro.... I really hope they will make Touch HD Pro with a slide-out keyboard and normal audio jack (not a mini-USB).
P.S. iPhone sucks!

looks good, kind of like the omnia. and actually, the iphone doesn't suck.

nemets said:
I am using Hermes (AT&T). Was very tempted to get Kaiser. And I've been saving money for Touch Pro.... I really hope they will make Touch HD Pro with a slide-out keyboard and normal audio jack (not a mini-USB).
P.S. iPhone sucks!
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i don't think that it has an keyboard, its too small

If they ever release a CDMA version i'm getting one. If it has a capacitive touchscreen, i'll be in heaven.

I so want that, I posted earlier and now when I`ve seen specs etc. it looks promising.
I might upgrade my Kaiser to that when time comes

As nice as the phone looks to be, I can't help but say I'm disappointed in HTC. I feel they are oversaturating the market with products and not allowing any one phone to have some sort of longevitiy. This phone makes the Diamond the new Touch Cruise and the Touch Cruise the new Touch. Over time people will realize that if you wait a few months something much better is going to come out from HTC, so you may as well wait for it.
This is really shocking to see so soon after the Diamond, which really hasn't even had a chance to peak in the market if you ask me. Any potential sale they were going to have with the Diamond is probably gone now. HTC needs to consolidate their offerings to put out better spec'd equipment and to give people their money's worth.
But still, nice phone.

Here is what I posted on the other thread with some pictures I am using from the original post over at the other forum...
Here are some more pictures....taken from here:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/272214/introducing-the-htc-touch-hd/

halorin said:
As nice as the phone looks to be, I can't help but say I'm disappointed in HTC. I feel they are oversaturating the market with products and not allowing any one phone to have some sort of longevitiy. This phone makes the Diamond the new Touch Cruise and the Touch Cruise the new Touch. Over time people will realize that if you wait a few months something much better is going to come out from HTC, so you may as well wait for it.
This is really shocking to see so soon after the Diamond, which really hasn't even had a chance to peak in the market if you ask me. Any potential sale they were going to have with the Diamond is probably gone now. HTC needs to consolidate their offerings to put out better spec'd equipment and to give people their money's worth.
But still, nice phone.
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I kinda feel the same way. I was just getting ready to upgrade my Sprint Touch for the soon to be released Touch Diamond, but then I see this which is just about perfect for my needs.
I'll probably still get the Touch Diamond for now and plan to upgrade next in 2009 to a WM7 device, well unless this gets a capacitive touchscreen then it'll have to be mine.

EliteXen said:
I kinda feel the same way. I was just getting ready to upgrade my Sprint Touch for the soon to be released Touch Diamond, but then I see this which is just about perfect for my needs.
I'll probably still get the Touch Diamond for now and plan to upgrade next in 2009 to a WM7 device, well unless this gets a capacitive touchscreen then it'll have to be mine.
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Notice how the baby does not have a joystick?
How are you going to Scroll Zoom without that Capacitive JoyPad?
Not to start the Rumour Mill or anything but..... Maybe you should be a nice boy so Santa takes good care of you
Just let me dream a bit here.

agree, cannot imagine how to use windows mobile without d-pad? is it a fault?

Really a nice model!
Only problem I see, there is no keyboard... but still is a good candidate
Screen is 3.?" right?

Buy a Touch Dimond 2 or wait.....

Hi all,
Thinking about buying the HTC touch diamond 2. The thing is I like the look of samsung omnia 2, which has better specs than the diamond, however I prefer touchflo 3D and the form factor of the diamond and it seems a safer bet, plus it has the custom roms and excellent support of these forums
Now the diamond 2 has been out a while so would you still buy one now, or would you wait? Also are they usually reliable or are they prone to bad ones?
Cheers

I'd wait, Leo just got announced
that is, if you can wait

You should definately wait some months, don't buy a D2 then get dissapointed when HTC announce yet another phone. HD2 will definately be a phone you want to buy.

The Diamond 2 came out in April. Well that was 6 months ago. In 6 months the D3 will be out and so will other phones. You will be disappointed if you buy it now and learner that in 4 months a better phone will be out. I'd say upgrade to the HD2 or get the Omnia if you want it. I'm sure there will be a cook that will get TouchFlo3D onto it. Many people have it running on their Xperias. It's all WinMo so it all works the same.

TD2 is a fine phone and if it's in your budget and like the form factor then it's definately worth considering. You could wait for the next version but then you are playing the waiting game and you could end up without.
I have had the TD2 since it came out in the UK which is only some 6 months or so ago and I will be upgrading to the HD2 which is a phone with everything I need.

Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.

Cheers for the comments, I agree that the touch HD2 looks like an awesome bit of kit it just seems a bit on the huge size, and where at work I need to carry a blackberry around pocket space is hard to come by!
As a side note if I would get the touch diamond 2 I would get it on a 12 month contract so it would not be a huge amount of time to wait if say a snapdragon diamond 3 came out
Please keep the comments coming

I'd wait a few weeks and see what the n900 is like in the flesh. I wstched a couple of video's of it yesterday and I was taken.
Having had nseries phones up till I got my Diamond, O just wsn't immpressed with their touchscreen efforts, I went for the Topaz. Granted, ot is the best looking, both in terms of form factor, and the gui, my homescreem looks ****ing awesome for what is essentially a phone, and i'm on stock!
Having went onto maemos site snd had a hands on look at some of the developers using it, this thing looks amazing, the browser and desktop are totally stunning. The specs for it something else too.
Although the Topaz is highly moddable, most of them are to do with the look and user funtuality, not like the things you could do with a symbian device. Look for thing on here called phonejacker or something, I could do this on my n95, over bluetooth 2years ago, by simply running a python commamd, look at kerfuffle to get working on winmo. I could also use my phone as a wii remote. It's those type of things that I don't like about my Topaz, the potential to do things woth winmo, but after appearance, the nokia was better device.
If this kind of functionality can be brought to the maemo5 platform, then it's hasty goodbye this wonderful piece of eyecandy.

Why I don't doubt what your saying I have personally never been a fan of the symbian OS. Hence why I am stickign with WinMo its not the best but it does everything you want it just sometimes takes a long while to get there!

The n900 doesn't run symnian, it's on linux based maemo5.

The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?

PretoriaPhil said:
The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?
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Thanks Phil,
That kinda summs up where I am, the HD2 is an awesome speced phone but too big for me really, plus I have just got a 4.3" screen Archos 605 which will do a better job with video playback due to the higher colour pallet.
I think I just need to pay the money and get something, if something new comes out then a upgrade is a year away or just have to sell the TD2 and buy it sim-free worst comes worst. I know the TD2 has been out 6 month, but with the version just released in the USA I think it will most likely be sticking about for a while.

loriolus said:
Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!

I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.

Thank you everyone for you help,
Just ordered my Diamond 2 ! Very excited it will be replacing my old W850i

loriolus said:
Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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Yeah but the Pure is on AT&T. Most people wouldn't want to switch over for many reasons. Like they are under contract, They Have a better plan than they can get on AT&T, Their network coverage is better.
And for people like me we love unlocked phones. We travel internationally and it's great to just swap sim cards without having to call the SP to unlock the phone. It's just worth it to pay the moey. Especially when your the only one to have it an people ask what phone it is and if they can get it. And I say In 6-12 months mebe. ok I don't say that but I would.
And for me I have a $40 my faves plan with 1500 txt messages and $5.99 unlimited data plan on T-Mo. I pay about $56 after taxes and all a month. I can use every feature of the phone and it works great on edge an T-mo has nothing to say about it.
The HD2 seems big. The HD seemed big but over the summer I got to actually see one in person while in Greece and I regreted not buying it over the TD2. It was smaller and thinner than I thought and it fit comfortably in my hand. The extra money it would have cost over the TD2 though is what initially changed my mind If I new how it looked in person I woulda paid the extra money.
If the HD2 isn't much bigger I may opt for it. But I hate txting on capacitive screens. Txting is so much faster, easier, and accurate on resistive screens.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!
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That's right.Thinner is better.
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I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.
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Actually read my first response above. 3rd paragraph. If people see it in person they may change their minds as I did with the HD. I would love to see it in person first before I buy it but many people may be surprised.
Make a paper/cardboard cut out of the size and try to imagine it.

Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.

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Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.
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comparing it to the TD2 there would be a differnce. but after holding a Touch HD the hight and wiidth didnt matter much because the thinness made up for it. especially when in the pocket.
What i was saying that if the HD2 wasnt much bigger than the HD than its worth it. The original HD was iphone sized with a larger screen. The HD 2 is a little taller and wider but thinner. a few mm aint that big a difference. But before i make final judgnent like i did with the HD I'd like to see it in person.

Hd is at the maximum tolerable size I think, and I quite like the design. Looks much more modern than HD2. Few mm on a phone is very noticable.

Personally, i was gonna get a diamond 2 but... yesterday the hd2 got anounced.... so i think im gonna wait a little while longer because the specs on the hd2 are amazing