Hi all,
Like most people who bought the Vario II in the first week it came out, it is time the contract is up... so I am looking for a new toy!!
I was originally tempted to get the Toshiba G900 before it came out, but the lack of a transflective screen, 3G-only, and the "won't wake up" problem were TOO MUCH for me to take! Even though it has nice resolution.
Kaiser sounds nice but it isn't really a very big step forward from the Hermes... yea its got better graphics and a built-in GPS, but not much else really. Not even a VGA screen. Probably not worth shelling out £500 for.
The E-Ten X800 (originally X500+) in theory is a very good candidate, but it is still not out!! Same with iMate's Ultimate series.
So what should I do?
Is the Touch worth the money?
Or should I go iPhone?
Or just keep the Hermes for another year...
Any advice welcome!
Thanks.
I'd keep the Hermes until something a little more revolutionary comes out.
But this did catch my eye the other day. Pretty much comparable to the Hermes (datawise, camera, etc.) but it's still not a big jump up from the Hermes if at all. But it does have a form factor I prefer (QWERTY always accessible without the flipping and rotation juggle).
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=147071
Until the iPhone gets GPS, 3G, real OTA sync (Exchange or otherwise) and 3rd-party apps, it just can't compare. It is a joy to use and pretty to look at, but the functionality is way thin coming from a Windows Mobile, BlackBerry or even Palm device.
The new Nokia with the clamshell keyboard design and the keypad on the outside looks intriguing. However, if you're in the US, not sure if it supports US 3G bands.
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Same here, unless I get a good upgrade.
I was going to replace my Hermes with the Kaiser, untill i noticed there is no LED flashlight. Horrible. I happen to use it as a regular source of light in various conditions with VJcandela. So i guess i'll just have to wait untill the Kaiser comes with a flashlight...
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Same here......................
okay, i read the tread this time
keep your hermes.
Ok so sounds like I should keep mine then!
But I'll probably still get an iPhone, and put it on eBay.
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Ok so sounds like I should keep mine then!
But I'll probably still get an iPhone, and put it on eBay.
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iphones suck... aside from the beauty factor. functionality wise, they cant hold a candle to the hermes or kaiser.
Yea I know, and so does iPod.
I bet there will be a shortage in the Europe and some general iPod-fanatics who don't know much except hair-care products will pay any price to get it.
This is UK not US so there is no AT&T lock-in.
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Yea I know, and so does iPod.
I bet there will be a shortage in the Europe and some general iPod-fanatics who don't know much except hair-care products will pay any price to get it.
This is UK not US so there is no AT&T lock-in.
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pretty good business decision. you can probably sell it for twice what its worth. thats what happened here when people were dying for the iphone.
worthy upgrade
man,
i think u should go for something like the sony vaio UMPC.
or maybe the HTC OMNI when it comes out(it's sexy )
i'd upgrade when something similar to HTC universal comes out with 5" vga/better screen, vista ultimate ,80 gigs(ok, i'll settle for 40 for a start) and a truckload of connectivity options..(much like a tablet pc, but with UNIVERSAL form factor)
Yea I've got my eyes on the OQO UMPCs, because they have good transflective screens... but I have way too many gadgets already!
Vario II, XDA IIi, Nokia 770 (internet tablet), desktop, HTPC, rackmount home server, ITX automation server, car PC, home laptop, work laptop... not sure what I am going to do with an UMPC really!
Instead of the OQO, I'd wait for the HTC Switch. Looks like a much better package than the OQO2.
It's almost feeling like keep the Hermes for another year - all the other stuff (including the Omni) just looks too big - I was put off the universal because I felt it looked terrible.
Hermes just about has it all...
...although if a Treo came out with wifi and as loadsa ram...I might be tempted back...
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Hey,
I know its the age old adage of "New devices always around the corner" but I'd really appreciate if you could help me with a buying decision.
I really love the I-mate Jam, it has all the features I need, and the lack of wireless is not a big deal as it hasn't really taken off that much in the UK yet, plus I will be out of my current contract this month.
But I have used a friend's O2 XDA IIs (I-Mate PDA-2K) and wasn't convinced about its useability/reliability as a phone. But on the other hand I would love to not have to carry about a pocket pc as well as a phone.
I guess when Magneto is launched, it will at least be a few months before the new devices come out, and even longer before UK networks adopt them. But I can't help but think that Magneto will improve the overall experience with these kind of devices.
So is it worth buying one now?
I guess you guys may be sick of this following question, so feel free not to answer it:
With the other HTC devices having had leaked upgrades in the past, and with the "alledged" existance of a leaked HTC Magician Magneto rom, do you think that there is a strong chance of a leaked final upgrade for the HTC Magician?
Despite its many needless problems, the Jam has been a success for HTC so its fair to say that HTC wil follow up with another device of this similar form factor ie "Jam 2". Magneto is definitley out this summer.
Xmas season is where all retailers make their money. Put two and two togehter and you are looking at a Jam 2 in November - it would have to be Magneto since no one would buy one with the current OS at that point. But I don't see a Jam 2 coming out before then. In fact, if the Jam continues to sell well, they may just hold off to spring. But I thnk they'd be smarter to build on the momentum they've got and release Jam 2 for Christmas gift season.
But its up to you really what its worth to you. As a Jam owner I think the device is full of pluses and minuses. If you dont NEED its PDA capabilities tthen you're best off waiting a couple of months, because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst. If you just plain need one, well then you need one. If its that urgent, but the Jam now and recoup whatver you can by selling it when the Jam 2 comes out.
You cannot future proof any device. There will AWAYS be something around the corner to trump what you have in you hand. Just a fact.
Also may be worth your while to give a look at the newly announced Nokia Series 60 touchscreen phones (N90 N91 or whatever the model number is).
Thanks very much for the feedback and the votes.
I guess the thing that I have to bear in mind is that being in the UK, where the MDA compact has only just become available, although I imagine the I-Mate version has been around for a bit longer.
I really dont see there being an HTC Magician 2 been available in the time frame I intend to buy a phone. I mean at present it is just a rumour, and it seems to go like this.
Rumour to product launch = 2-3 months.
Product launch to general availability = 2-3 months.
Like you said christmas period, so this is not so much of a worry for me.
What would annoy me is if they continue to sell the HTC Magician BUT with Magneto, and arranging it so that there is no method of upgrading. Hopefully the chances of that happening are slim?
What does concern me is:
because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst
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I've had a look around the forums, it seems to be mostly hardware problems, and that the software problems are fixable, can you elaborate?
I mean I currently have a Motorola V600 which drives me mad; poor phonebook, buttons on the side which consistenly switch the phone from silent to loud whilst in my pocket, and a earspeaker which keeps coming loose.
I mean the main things I want to use it for are as an in car MP3 player & Sat Nav with tomtom bluetooth gps, calendar to store constantly changing uni timetables, and to do list. Pocket PC Phones look good for me for the above reasons and because I can track my monthly contract use.
And magneto isnt going to affect me that much for my purposes I think, as WMP10 comes installed on the Jam. But it does look like magneto will improve phone functionality, which is why I'm curious to know if it is bad at the moment?
It sounds to me like you have just about talked yourself into getting a new Magician. I have had mine for 6 months now. My old phone was a SonyEricsson P800, when I bought it it was THE phone (for my needs anyway). I dropped my P800 in the lake (no lie), even though I got it working again, I decided to look into a replacement because I didn't really trust it anymore. My Jam has been great. As for the complaints, well you know how people love to complain. I haven't found any real faults with my Jam except that it won't activate MS Voice Command from the wired headset (which my P800 did). I use mine to the maximum and it hasn't let me down. I have a good friend that has one also and he only has one third party program which is Small Menu and he couldn't be happier with his Qtek S100. So the Magician works well as just a phone PDA and for Power Users too.
I wouldn't expect the masses to be getting their hands on a Jam2 until January 2006, and of course if you are one of the first to get one you will pay pay pay, like I did for mine. My friend paid 200 pounds less for his Qtek by waiting 3 months. Like you said, there is always a new phone coming, but the Jam is a real breakthrough product.
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What does concern me is:
because honestly the phone portion of it is adequate at best, primitive at worst
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I've had a look around the forums, it seems to be mostly hardware problems, and that the software problems are fixable, can you elaborate?.....
.....And magneto isnt going to affect me that much for my purposes I think, as WMP10 comes installed on the Jam. But it does look like magneto will improve phone functionality, which is why I'm curious to know if it is bad at the moment?
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Phonewise: Sound quality is not up to par. Most accept it because the device does so many other things in a small form factor. But it if was a pure phone with this level sound quality, I think many would toss it. I myself use a bluetooth headset to mitigate this problem. The "twaeks" don't really help - I'd sum it up as cheap hardware. Same goes for the camera BTW: 1.3MP should be a good simple camera but obvious cheap hardware is a letdown. My friends Nokia 6670 mades this Jam camera look stupid - and both are 1.3MP.
Phone software: Its okay, not stellar. Many buttons need to be resized for true thumb operation eg numbers, flight mode, message pop-ups. Its poor design if people have to pull out a stlus to navigate phone functions. Also text message ergonomics are very weak. Nothing I saw in Magneto really addressed these obvious problems.
So as I said, its probably the tidest physical sized PPC phone package and that is its plus. The tradeoff is the shortcuts (low-quality components) that were used to achieve the price point. HTC is not likely to change that and Ihave not seen anything in Magneto to address the OS shortcomings.
So honestly don't agonize too much. Just buy if you're buying. There is no magic bullet around the corner. When all is said and done, a Magneto powered Jam 2 probably only feature Wifi, 3g (or some similar thing) and larger ROM as its meaningful improvements. All the things that people like or dont like will be same on that device.
Thanks for all the feedback, I have gone ahead and ordered an MDA compact, on contract. For a good price. Just gonna wait till it gets here.
Call me impatient.... but I haven't heard any further details regarding the release of the Universal replacement.
A lot of the sites that reported the specs of the Omni were claiming that it was going to be released in early 2007... Now its almost April.
Has anyone else heard anything more concrete? Maybe this was just a false rumour?
Alternatively, I think if they release it too late and it isnt that "special" it will probably have a hard time competing with the newer VGA devices coming out by imate and the Toshiba G900.
Any comments???
I agree I want to know too !
I just hope there is a successor !
Got this feeling the Athena (HTC Advantage x7500) may be the replacement.
Well over a month later now. Something new somewhere already?
specs for OMNI are mostly rumours on the net & there is no hard evidence, but then again XDA Flame which expected 2 B release on Feb 2007...remains unknown..
p/s: it's not a Uni replacement though..Uni still remains... yeah...!
Well I was just wondering if it was still in the works. The rumours were so specific and the HTC Advanced and HTC Shift don't seem to fit the bill.
Ah well I'm still a couple of months away from contract renewal so I can wait I guess
I gave up waiting and got myself another universal as an upgrade.
My original universal had developed a fault.
The good thing is the Unis have really come down in price. I mean its still got fantastic specs, although only having UMTS as opposed to HSDPA is slightly date, but hey UMTS is still good. Loving the VGA screen on my Uni
I never quite understood the price of these machines. T-Mobile was selling them for 450 euro while the others were asking close to 1000 euro for their version.
I looked at the Ameo the other day and it does look great. The big screen is amazing. But then the whole thing is big and I just want the keyboard really attached.
I want a new and slightly improved Universal (more memory, faster, GPS, screen on outside)
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I want a new and slightly improved Universal (more memory, faster, GPS, screen on outside)
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I feel the same way. If I am to replace my Universal with something as big as this, the keyboard should be built-in in CLAMSHELL design.
Yeah those are all very reasonable upgrades that would make the Uni better. Add HSDPA/HSUPA and a slightly thinner profile and it would be a great upgrade.
Does anyone know any sales figures for HTC devices per model?
With the popularity of the Hermes, is it even worth their while to concentrate on this type of device when the slide out Hermes style is so much more popular?
The more advanced the device is, obviously the more R&D it requires hence costing more to make. Maybe they didnt make enough profit from the Universal.
Maybe the Omni was just vapourware talk to "test the waters"???
The biggest thing holding back the Universal from higher sales I would have to say is its least liked "feature"... the huge size of it. This would again cost more in R&D to try and make it a smaller size.
Not talking against or dissing the Universal as I would have one of these over a Hermes anyday, but may just be food for thought.
Any thoughts, objections or agreements?
X.
Well seeing how they are coming out with the Athena and the Shift they must see the market for bigger devices with phone capabilities.
The phones in thich niche cost a fortune and there is almost no competition. So they probably have quite a nice margin on them.
Yeah I think it was just the cost that put people off the Universal. It was way too expensive at launch, even if it was the top dog with all the features.
After much huffing and puffing i have finally put the nail in my ATHENA experience for the past 7 months.
I have really enjoyed using it but it just falls short in a few major areas for me to continue.
1.Its just TOO BIG as a phone, its ok when im sat down but at weekends and evenings its just too annoying to carry about, removing the sim is like surgery so i dont want to do that too often
2. Its just TOO SMALL to be a half decent laptop, The browser sucks and how ever much you dress up WM6 its just Not XP!
3. I dont drive a car so GPS means nothing to me
So my missus has kindly given me her LG viewty upgrade as a early xmas pressie and today i finally won a bid on ebay for a black EEE pc so thats that.
The viewty is a cracking phone and it feels really weird to hold something so small again as a phone.
It can teach the athena a few lessons as well.
1. It plays back DIVX PERFECTLY full screen no jumping out of the BOX! why the athena is so crap at this is beyond me.
2.It streams movies and TV much better via ORB .. NO BUFERING!
3.Its compatable with Mobile TV .. SKY FOOTY for £5 here i come. You can even connect it to a TV like the Athena.
Obviously theres loads it cant do but too be honest i feel like i have dropped a burden carrying that thing about
with me.
If i was a regular driver and would use the GPS i would keep it, i dont really use any of the Office apps either.
So up on EBAY it goes , superlight weight LAP top and almost feather like phone here i come
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After much huffing
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Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
Your contributions on these forums will be missed despite the idiot who posted the previous wasteful and utterly pointless previous comment.. i am considering a move away too and i have a choice of phones to keep and the sale of my Athena will fund my next purchase just waiting for reviews of the shift to see if i want one or not!!! Enjoy the eee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking of trading in my Athena for a Viewty or N95 8gb, but they don't seem to be going for very much. I'd have to supplement my Athena (or rather, Ameo) about 90quid at Cex to get a Viewty.
How much did you get for your Ameo Spacecat?
I am still using the Ameo for mobile internet at which it is great, as a phone it is useless to be honest so I still use the Artemis for voice related stuff.
What I want next is the Touch Cruse as this has everything to die for as far as I am concerned, I have just got the wife a Touch (elf) and its a great bit of kit, add the extras the Touch Cruse has on board and this has to be the best combo unit going.
I very nearly got the Viewty yesterday, but I found the attraction of the Touch better - all I need to do is teach HID to use it! (this could take some time) - Mike
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I am still using the Ameo for mobile internet at which it is great, as a phone it is useless to be honest so I still use the Artemis for voice related stuff.
What I want next is the Touch Cruse as this has everything to die for as far as I am concerned, I have just got the wife a Touch (elf) and its a great bit of kit, add the extras the Touch Cruse has on board and this has to be the best combo unit going.
I very nearly got the Viewty yesterday, but I found the attraction of the Touch better - all I need to do is teach HID to use it! (this could take some time) - Mike
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Just stuck my Ameo on Ebay!
£298 with the 4-in-1 and a mini keyboard/mouse.
Good price I think.
N95 8GB for me I think!
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Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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Your a bit of a **** mate, nevermind one day you may grow one!
SupraSkylineSTI said:
Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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i guess a 1 day ban was not enough for u.. maybe u need some more.
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Paint ?
Also, to sum up.. No one cares.
KThxBye.
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I guess you want another ban, lets make it longer, say a week?
if you are rude after this is a permanent one.
Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you
leoni1980 said:
Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you
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how about a polaris? i will be cooking under it so u'll still enjoy me roms there. has everything u want in a thin package except the video recording.
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how about a polaris? i will be cooking under it so u'll still enjoy me roms there. has everything u want in a thin package except the video recording.
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yes ive looked at that but it will be a long time before Cex have one of those for me to exchange my vouchers for.
Just out of interest, what is it that prevents the possibilty of hacking Vga 30fps capability into some of the newer windows mobile devices?
Is this capability entirely hardware driven?
Cheers Pawel
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yes ive looked at that but it will be a long time before Cex have one of those for me to exchange my vouchers for.
Just out of interest, what is it that prevents the possibilty of hacking Vga 30fps capability into some of the newer windows mobile devices?
Is this capability entirely hardware driven?
Cheers Pawel
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no clue. never done something like that but i have one of the best teams under my belt. no promises but if someone reminds me we'll try to do this once we have our polaris' in hand.
leoni1980 said:
Sold my Ameo tonight.
Traded in a DS Lite and some games to get myself a new handset at Cex. This shop is not my ideal choice, but they offer a warranty that lasts a year and covers the phone being blocked (something that Ebay can't do). This turned out to be fortuitous.
I decided I quite like LG Viewtys (after initially deciding I don't). It was either the Viewty or the N95 8GB. Nothing else really holds a candle - sorry Sony Ericsson but you SUCK for web browsing and you DOUBLE SUCK for video recording quality.
I bought one Viewty, tried to make a phone call: blocked. Manager tested device; definitely blocked.
Second device: blocked
Third: blocked.
Unfortunately a man who turned up after me and immediately before I found out MY phone was blocked managed to obtain the ONLY ONE that WASN'T blocked. I cursed under my breath.
I now have £270 worth of CEX vouchers, valid for a year on any product. I wondered if perhaps someone could offer a suggestion of another handset besides the N95 8GB and Viewty which has....
A good browser
HSDPA
Decent camera with VGA movie recording
Those are my only requirements.
Please don't say the standard N95 - I gave the last one away to my fiance so don't wish to buy another.
Thank you
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wait and a get a viewty, cracking fone
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wait and a get a viewty, cracking fone
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I went for the N95. I know I had one and I know I gave it away to my fiance, but I kind of missed it....
I've just installed the very latest firmware and I'm super impressed. The camera shutter and processing speed is IMPRESSIVELY improved and therefore much more useful than it once was. There's updated maps software, 30% higher battery life and everything just seems great. To be honest I prefer the reassuring tactility of a keypad to touchscreen impact, and for £100 less than the Viewty I don't think I'm missing out on it.
I will say that on second impression I did really like the Viewty, and if it wasn't for a gang of insurance phone blocking scammers operating in derby I would be using one right now, but maybe it does pay to go back to your old club.
I bought a Nokia N800 yesterday on Ebay for no less than 100 quid. Now with the official upgrade release of OS2008 on this device and the fact that the N95 supports SAP, as does the N800 I'm hoping the two will work together and give me a multimedia combination to rock the Athena's socks off.
someone else had the same idea....
http://vaibhavsharma.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/the-perfect-pair/
me too.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just bit the bullet and bought a flybook A33i for a bargain price so my athenas got to go to keep the wife happy might keep the artemis (depends on price i get for athena) to still have a hold on WM and xdas however much i hate the os its a love hate relationship
Got my EEE pc yesterday.
Its actually smaller than i thought it was in the shop.
excellent screen , excellent build quality .. looks like it should cost a lot more.
now to install XP
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just bit the bullet and bought a flybook A33i for a bargain price so my athenas got to go to keep the wife happy might keep the artemis (depends on price i get for athena) to still have a hold on WM and xdas however much i hate the os its a love hate relationship
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My dad has a flybook A33i, its nice
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Got my EEE pc yesterday.
Its actually smaller than i thought it was in the shop.
excellent screen , excellent build quality .. looks like it should cost a lot more.
now to install XP
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be sure to register with eeeuser.com for help with setup, patches and mods.
Hi all,
Thinking about buying the HTC touch diamond 2. The thing is I like the look of samsung omnia 2, which has better specs than the diamond, however I prefer touchflo 3D and the form factor of the diamond and it seems a safer bet, plus it has the custom roms and excellent support of these forums
Now the diamond 2 has been out a while so would you still buy one now, or would you wait? Also are they usually reliable or are they prone to bad ones?
Cheers
I'd wait, Leo just got announced
that is, if you can wait
You should definately wait some months, don't buy a D2 then get dissapointed when HTC announce yet another phone. HD2 will definately be a phone you want to buy.
The Diamond 2 came out in April. Well that was 6 months ago. In 6 months the D3 will be out and so will other phones. You will be disappointed if you buy it now and learner that in 4 months a better phone will be out. I'd say upgrade to the HD2 or get the Omnia if you want it. I'm sure there will be a cook that will get TouchFlo3D onto it. Many people have it running on their Xperias. It's all WinMo so it all works the same.
TD2 is a fine phone and if it's in your budget and like the form factor then it's definately worth considering. You could wait for the next version but then you are playing the waiting game and you could end up without.
I have had the TD2 since it came out in the UK which is only some 6 months or so ago and I will be upgrading to the HD2 which is a phone with everything I need.
Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
Cheers for the comments, I agree that the touch HD2 looks like an awesome bit of kit it just seems a bit on the huge size, and where at work I need to carry a blackberry around pocket space is hard to come by!
As a side note if I would get the touch diamond 2 I would get it on a 12 month contract so it would not be a huge amount of time to wait if say a snapdragon diamond 3 came out
Please keep the comments coming
I'd wait a few weeks and see what the n900 is like in the flesh. I wstched a couple of video's of it yesterday and I was taken.
Having had nseries phones up till I got my Diamond, O just wsn't immpressed with their touchscreen efforts, I went for the Topaz. Granted, ot is the best looking, both in terms of form factor, and the gui, my homescreem looks ****ing awesome for what is essentially a phone, and i'm on stock!
Having went onto maemos site snd had a hands on look at some of the developers using it, this thing looks amazing, the browser and desktop are totally stunning. The specs for it something else too.
Although the Topaz is highly moddable, most of them are to do with the look and user funtuality, not like the things you could do with a symbian device. Look for thing on here called phonejacker or something, I could do this on my n95, over bluetooth 2years ago, by simply running a python commamd, look at kerfuffle to get working on winmo. I could also use my phone as a wii remote. It's those type of things that I don't like about my Topaz, the potential to do things woth winmo, but after appearance, the nokia was better device.
If this kind of functionality can be brought to the maemo5 platform, then it's hasty goodbye this wonderful piece of eyecandy.
Why I don't doubt what your saying I have personally never been a fan of the symbian OS. Hence why I am stickign with WinMo its not the best but it does everything you want it just sometimes takes a long while to get there!
The n900 doesn't run symnian, it's on linux based maemo5.
The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?
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The Diamond 2 is a great phone, and with the WinMo 6.5 upgrade will be as good as anything on the market.
The HD2 is way too big for my taste.
You can wait, but that is a perpetual cycle because there will always be a new phone coming out in a couple of months, so when do you stop waiting and actually get a phone?
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Thanks Phil,
That kinda summs up where I am, the HD2 is an awesome speced phone but too big for me really, plus I have just got a 4.3" screen Archos 605 which will do a better job with video playback due to the higher colour pallet.
I think I just need to pay the money and get something, if something new comes out then a upgrade is a year away or just have to sell the TD2 and buy it sim-free worst comes worst. I know the TD2 has been out 6 month, but with the version just released in the USA I think it will most likely be sticking about for a while.
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Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!
I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.
Thank you everyone for you help,
Just ordered my Diamond 2 ! Very excited it will be replacing my old W850i
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Although HD2 has almost everything I want in a phone I would never buy it just because of its enormous size. All of you guys are so excited about this device but none of you have had anything that big before. It would be very uncomfortable to carry it around. HTC Pure/Diamond 2 just came out here in the US on AT&T for a very affordable price. I don't know where you're located but if you're in US I highly recomend checking this phone out.
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Yeah but the Pure is on AT&T. Most people wouldn't want to switch over for many reasons. Like they are under contract, They Have a better plan than they can get on AT&T, Their network coverage is better.
And for people like me we love unlocked phones. We travel internationally and it's great to just swap sim cards without having to call the SP to unlock the phone. It's just worth it to pay the moey. Especially when your the only one to have it an people ask what phone it is and if they can get it. And I say In 6-12 months mebe. ok I don't say that but I would.
And for me I have a $40 my faves plan with 1500 txt messages and $5.99 unlimited data plan on T-Mo. I pay about $56 after taxes and all a month. I can use every feature of the phone and it works great on edge an T-mo has nothing to say about it.
The HD2 seems big. The HD seemed big but over the summer I got to actually see one in person while in Greece and I regreted not buying it over the TD2. It was smaller and thinner than I thought and it fit comfortably in my hand. The extra money it would have cost over the TD2 though is what initially changed my mind If I new how it looked in person I woulda paid the extra money.
If the HD2 isn't much bigger I may opt for it. But I hate txting on capacitive screens. Txting is so much faster, easier, and accurate on resistive screens.
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It's about 2/3 the thickness of the Topaz (about as thin as a pencil)
I see they've just added it to their products list I think it looks awesome!
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That's right.Thinner is better.
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I'm glad that some people realize how uncomfortably big HD2 is, and people who are waiting for this device will surely realize that once they get a hold of it.
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Actually read my first response above. 3rd paragraph. If people see it in person they may change their minds as I did with the HD. I would love to see it in person first before I buy it but many people may be surprised.
Make a paper/cardboard cut out of the size and try to imagine it.
Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.
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Getting the phone unlocked is super easy...don't make a big deal out of it. I would love to pay less and get tmobile but I find tmobile's reception inferrior to att. HD2 may be thinner than D2 but why are you bringing up just the thinnes? What about the height 120.5 vs 107.9? What about width 67 vs 53.1? Now that's some difference.
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comparing it to the TD2 there would be a differnce. but after holding a Touch HD the hight and wiidth didnt matter much because the thinness made up for it. especially when in the pocket.
What i was saying that if the HD2 wasnt much bigger than the HD than its worth it. The original HD was iphone sized with a larger screen. The HD 2 is a little taller and wider but thinner. a few mm aint that big a difference. But before i make final judgnent like i did with the HD I'd like to see it in person.
Hd is at the maximum tolerable size I think, and I quite like the design. Looks much more modern than HD2. Few mm on a phone is very noticable.
Personally, i was gonna get a diamond 2 but... yesterday the hd2 got anounced.... so i think im gonna wait a little while longer because the specs on the hd2 are amazing
I've just seen that i can get the Streak for £60 with a £30 a month contract on O2. I'm very tempted... but is it worth it? What don't you like about the phone, what do you love about it?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Cheers!
Meltus said:
I've just seen that i can get the Streak for £60 with a £30 a month contract on O2. I'm very tempted... but is it worth it? What don't you like about the phone, what do you love about it?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Cheers!
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Naw... its a terrible phone and no one here would ever buy one
What dont I like about it? EVERYTHING
What do I love about it? NOTHING
Might as well get a locked down iPhone am I right?
I did that very deal,
As to whether I love it or not, well that's a tricky one, but easily demonstrated by the realisation that I haven't touched my hd2 Since... and those who know me will know how much Time I used to put into hacking that one..
The one review of the streak summed it up for me perfectly;
It has its foibles, its never going to be mainstream, it could easily become a classic, and if you're The kind of geek who likes experimenting, tinkering and improving things then this is the device to have.
be aware its more pda than phone though... it works fine as a phone, but its not its primary function..
Almost polar opposite to MS and their stooped winmoan 7 philosophy....
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk
Edit, I should also point out that I rarely use my laptop at home anymore...unless its attached to the streak and I'm running a adb shell investigating how it works...
ap3604 said:
Naw... its a terrible phone and no one here would ever buy one
What dont I like about it? EVERYTHING
What do I love about it? NOTHING
Might as well get a locked down iPhone am I right?
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I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at?
I've been using android phones ever since the G1 was first released and i'm thinking about getting the Streak, I was just curious as to what it's pros and cons are.
fards said:
I did that very deal,
As to whether I love it or not, well that's a tricky one, but easily demonstrated by the realisation that I haven't touched my hd2 Since... and those who know me will know how much Time I used to put into hacking that one..
The one review of the streak summed it up for me perfectly;
It has its foibles, its never going to be mainstream, it could easily become a classic, and if you're The kind of geek who likes experimenting, tinkering and improving things then this is the device to have.
be aware its more pda than phone though... it works fine as a phone, but its not its primary function..
Almost polar opposite to MS and their stooped winmoan 7 philosophy....
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk
Edit, I should also point out that I rarely use my laptop at home anymore...unless its attached to the streak and I'm running a adb shell investigating how it works...
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Haha, it definitely sounds like my kind of phone
I still have my Nexus, so i guess if the Streak seems a bit too big for me to take to the pub i can take my nexus out instead
Although, from what i've seen that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Thanks for your help!
I picked one up on the O2 deal for £35 a month and nothing to pay on Friday so have had a weekend of playing with it.
What do I like? I LOVE the big screen and I love Android. It's so much smoother and faster than WinMo. I don't care it's running 1.6 as I know Dell are spending time on making sure that 2.1 works properly for us. Aren't you Dellboys?!
I was using an HTC Touch Pro 2 until I got the Streak. The TP2's still got my old sim in (waiting for a PAC code) I have hardly touched it since getting the Streak - and every time I pick up the TP2 it feels like a slow clunky toy in comparison! (and winmo keeps crashing...). Interestingly the Streak is the easiest 'phone' I've ever connected to via USB on my laptop - it connects straight away every time (unlike WinMo!)
The Streak is really nicely engineered - it feels well made and looks it too, it's very comfortable and easy to use in both landscape and portrait mode.
The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
As I primarily use the Streak as a PDA, browser, music player and ebook reader - the phone function is almost secondary for me although I text a lot. I'm having a few problems adapting to the keyboard although I do like the numberpad that everyone else seems to hate!! I'd recommend Swype or SlideIT as they offer a way faster way to type than pecking one key at a time.
I am really impressed with my Streak - I'd say it passed my expectations by about a mile. I think it is a brilliant piece of design, it's fast, it does everything I want and there's loads of free and cheap software - what else is there?!
I guess I'd better update my signature!!
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The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
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Try calwidget or pure calendar widget they are awesome. Ive been using Calwidget since the day it came out. from G1 to Mytouch to Nexus one and it will be on my streak as well (if it comes out for TMO)
samstables said:
I picked one up on the O2 deal for £35 a month and nothing to pay on Friday so have had a weekend of playing with it.
What do I like? I LOVE the big screen and I love Android. It's so much smoother and faster than WinMo. I don't care it's running 1.6 as I know Dell are spending time on making sure that 2.1 works properly for us. Aren't you Dellboys?!
I was using an HTC Touch Pro 2 until I got the Streak. The TP2's still got my old sim in (waiting for a PAC code) I have hardly touched it since getting the Streak - and every time I pick up the TP2 it feels like a slow clunky toy in comparison! (and winmo keeps crashing...). Interestingly the Streak is the easiest 'phone' I've ever connected to via USB on my laptop - it connects straight away every time (unlike WinMo!)
The Streak is really nicely engineered - it feels well made and looks it too, it's very comfortable and easy to use in both landscape and portrait mode.
The only real problem I've had is finding a decent calendar program (still searching) and I thought my camera button didn't work, but you have to press it hard to activate the camera, then it focuses with a little halfway press and you have to press it harder again to take a pic.
As I primarily use the Streak as a PDA, browser, music player and ebook reader - the phone function is almost secondary for me although I text a lot. I'm having a few problems adapting to the keyboard although I do like the numberpad that everyone else seems to hate!! I'd recommend Swype or SlideIT as they offer a way faster way to type than pecking one key at a time.
I am really impressed with my Streak - I'd say it passed my expectations by about a mile. I think it is a brilliant piece of design, it's fast, it does everything I want and there's loads of free and cheap software - what else is there?!
I guess I'd better update my signature!!
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Awesome, thanks for your input
I only got a Nexus a while ago (thank you android seeding program!) which i absolutely love and will definitely still use. But, i fell in love with the streak as soon as i saw it. I think you guys may have just persuaded me
Meltus said:
Awesome, thanks for your input
I only got a Nexus a while ago (thank you android seeding program!) which i absolutely love and will definitely still use. But, i fell in love with the streak as soon as i saw it. I think you guys may have just persuaded me
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don't forget we expect you to get involved in hacking it then as soon as you get your grubby mits on one
I'm learning rapidly (although I do have a background in *nix) but I'm still way over my head at the mo..
adn louder volume fix through the speaker would be good (if possible)
RE: the size as long as you don't keep it in a pocket that will put pressure on it(like any 3"+device) such as a jeans pocket, then it should be fine at the pub.. although obviously you may lose friends when they get fed up with you playing with it all the time...
if you're in manc then nip and get one of those cheap cases from superetrader, they work fine..
If mine broke today I would go and get one tomorrow, if you are getting it from o2 I was reading that they now have a 32 gig one but I don't know if that is on contract, the article just said o2 were selling a 32 gig for £449
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App
I recently purchased the Texas beta device and plan on purchasing the American unlocked device when Dell releases it (if hardware change is major). I really hope some great ROM development comes to the phone and I will be hooked until WP7.
But really, it all depends on personal opinion for any device that is 'worth it'
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I think most people who have found the Streak disappointing (or just too big) have done so because they bought it as a phone instead of looking at what they really need.
Dell and O2 don't sell it like that - it's a just about pocketable web tablet with secondary phone functionality (think N800/N900 with much better hardware) - hence it being offered with a data only plan.
I bought it on that basis and it works really well at what it was designed for. Perfect screen for lazy eyes, good battery life, good audio, no lag to be seen. Gets used for web/mail/videos/audio round the house, SatNav in the car, and for access to non-corporate stuff at work.
There's no way I'd expect it to replace my main phone (BB 9700), if I did, I'd probably end up smashing it up like that bloke on Modaco.
Shame accessories are so ludicrously expensive but hopefully that will improve after the US release - as will app compatibility once 2.2 comes along.
Thanks for your input everyone.
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
Now as soon as O2 activate my account (could take 24 hours ¬_¬) i'll be able to play with it properly. Cheers guys
Meltus said:
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
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Awesome to hear, please let us know your thoughts after you have digested the device a bit.
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Meltus said:
Thanks for your input everyone.
I am now the proud owner of Dell Streak
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No problem brotha! Happy to help