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Hi all,
Being a newbei in PPC based on windows mobile OS i want a tiny guidence from Prophet users. I am planning to buy ( and shift from synbian base Nokia 6630) my first budget PPC as XDA Neo, but only cocern is its slower proccessor speed of 200 MHz (compared to other having 400 MHz). I am confuse whether it can handle video smoothly and multi-application running simultaneously ( with or without overclocking) ??
Beside this, im an addict of 6630's stereophonic music in headphone( and speaker), so please tell me about the sound of O2 XDA Neo also.Is it comfortable good( i guess it may not match 6630's stereo).
Being a uesr, if u all please guide me , i will be higly thankfull to all of u.
ASAP

Hermes -- not Prophet!
I doubt that the Prophet (XDA neo) would be a good choice if you are concerned about sound quality and processing power to play really smooth video. A better choice would probably be the Hermes (TyTN). The size is almost the same (not counting the size of the hole it leaves in your wallet if you buy it unlocked!) and the keyboard comes handy if you do a lot of texting. And it has official support for stereo Bluetooth. The Hermes is still fairly new so it will probably receive software updates for a while longer. At the same time, while it is still being actively marketed and sold, software support for the Prophet seems to have ended.
I sold my Prophet a week ago and considered the Hermes for a while but decided on the SE P990i instead and I am so much happier for it.

Frnds ,Please Reply.
Thanx

I don't use it for video but I use it a lot as mp3 player connected to a stereo bluetooth headset. I think audio quality is eccellent. I have used a Nokia 6630 in the past and there isn't much to miss. The issues I had with synchronising that phone with Outlook put a giant X on Nokia for me.
Another option for you would be the HTC P3600 which will be in shops in a week or so. It's faster (400 MHz) and it's 3G. (But quite expensive!)

i have a qtek s200 and i use Pocket Music for mp3 playback and tcpmp for video, and i use a pair of creative 630 earbud headphones, and i have to tell you, the whole auido/video experience is superb! plus i'm planning to buy a pair of wireless bluetooth stereo headphones which SonyEricsson has recentcly released, i know it's gonna be AWESOME!!
anyway, if you have enough money, then i'd suggest you buy htc TyTn or 3600 or o2 atom exec

frnds, i have read/heard( dont remeber source) that TI OMAP 850 proccessor is dual core and so its performance is nearly acceptable as other intel or samsungs processrs with 400 Mhz speed. Is something like this true ?

Yes it's true. The OMAP processor has one core that deals with multimedia and another core that deals with telephone stuff.
It's not straight forward to compare single core CPUs with multiple core ones though.

Is it all? no other reply. frnds im going for Neo. expecting last word from u.

Moved from Universal to Hermes (Observations)

FYI - Anyone considering upgrading to Hermes
I have been using a universal for the last 18months and have now sold it and upgraded to the HTC Hermes.
The universal served me very well and the only thing I miss is the larger screen and VGA resolution and standard 3.5mm jack - however - I don't miss the bulk.
The hermes is everything the universal is minus the VGA.
My default Rom on the universal was Helmi's v1.3 which was AKU 3.5 and was a very very stable/solid rom.
I later installed PDAVIET 2.04 pro (Crossbow/WM6) which was a little temperamental but solid never the less.
I have installed XDA Live 0.20 which is a Crossbow rom on the hermes and it is very fast, I mean very very fast in comparison to the the universal.
In actual fact the hermes feels like an overclocked blue angel. (Normal operation, responsiveness, games etc)
Before I had the universal I had a blue angel that I used to regularly overclock to 530mhz (XCPUSCHALAR) and I can tell you that the herms feels very close to this.
I actually wonder what the hermes is capable of if overclocked slightly - As I don't have any figures (Pocket Hackmaster performance Index, SPB benchmark, etc) I can only speculate - but I'm looking forward to investigating this further.
Incidently the hermes has the Imageon gpu that was present in the blue angel so it runs films in TCPMP with hardware acceleration something the universal lacks.
Now I'm not sure whether the Universal had slow ram, or it being a VGA device slowed it down or what but I do know that the hermes is orders of magnitude more responsive in every day operation than the universal was...
Wireless connects at 54mbs on the hermes instead of the 11mbs maximum thoroughput the universal supports even with the 802.11g hack.
And the Hermes also supports HSDPA (1.8mbs theoretical - if your network provider supports it). Admittedly this was a deal breaker for me as umts is cool but connecting at 1.8mbs to the internet whilst on the road is edging very close to nirvana LOL!
Now while I will miss browsing servers at 640x480 using ts client in WM6 (WM5 tsc was atrocious BTW - LOL!) I feel the hermes features and performance more than make up for it. Plus I recently purchased a Sony u50 (1st generation umpc circa 2004) which has a 800x600 5 inch screen and the u50 allows me to TS into server using the hermes as a modem (Bluetooth or serial comms)
Last but not least I need to mention the hermes 2MP camera - OMDs - LOL.
It is head and shoulders above any HTC Camera I've ever experienced and I have seen them all...
SPV to wallaby to alpine to blueangel to universal I've had them all and this camera is the 1st USEABLE camera in terms of how responsive the camera app is, the picture quality and the overall experience!
Granted it's no replacement for my Canon SLR BUT (BIG BUT) it's definitely useable and supports typical camera functions such as self timer, darkness controls etc.
All other HTC devices had a fairly decent camera app but a piss poor camera sensor that only operated remotely correctly with good light. The pics I get with the hermes are of comparable quality to recent nokia and sony phones.
Hope this information is of use to anyone considering moving from the Universal to a hermes.

haha funny enough I was looking at the hermes last night.
My contract has run out, im in the UK and o2 are no longer doing free gprs so I need to jump ship as its damn expensive! Three are offering unlimited (1gig) a month for £5 so that's my main option plus they have a HSDPA network. But the downside is they don't offer the hermes so i'd have to get it seperatly I want a hermes
Thanks for the review, I want a hermes more now
Thanks
Stu

actually, just a thought... with WM6 PIE has the option to view in VGA mode, this makes website VERY easy to view as if they were on a desktop pretty much which makes browsing actually possible on these devices. Is that function still available on the hermes ?
thanks
Stu

IE VGA
Hi Stu,
No that feature is not available in WM6 IE for the hermes as it is a qvga device (320x240)
Just checked the menu options in IE and noticed that option was missing whereas it was there in WM6 IE on the universal.
Cheers
q

stualpha said:
haha funny enough I was looking at the hermes last night.
My contract has run out, im in the UK and o2 are no longer doing free gprs so I need to jump ship as its damn expensive! Three are offering unlimited (1gig) a month for £5 so that's my main option plus they have a HSDPA network. But the downside is they don't offer the hermes so i'd have to get it seperatly I want a hermes
Thanks for the review, I want a hermes more now
Thanks
Stu
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O2 are just about to bring out a new XDA which is similar looking to the Hermes but appears to have a faster processor. It is apparently out on 26 March.

ooo in that case I may hang around to see what it's like.
But saying that the data is a huge issue data costs on o2 are huge plus i'm a student so we can whine more lol
thanks guys
Stu
also :: do you know which device it is ? I presume specs are already out possibly ? or pics ?
thanks

stualpha said:
ooo in that case I may hang around to see what it's like.
But saying that the data is a huge issue data costs on o2 are huge plus i'm a student so we can whine more lol
thanks guys
Stu
also :: do you know which device it is ? I presume specs are already out possibly ? or pics ?
thanks
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It's an Asustek apparently. Just Google O2 Zinc and you'll find it.

http://www.msmobilenews.com/content/view/1730/1/
think i'll hold out for this puppy!! looks sweet, shame about the vga though

stualpha said:
http://www.msmobilenews.com/content/view/1730/1/
think i'll hold out for this puppy!! looks sweet, shame about the vga though
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Or you might like to hold out for the I-mate Ultimate 7150 - more ROM, more RAM, faster processor, VGA .....

not made my mind up about the design of the new ultimate series, dont know what it is, they look at a little funny :? will have to see it in flesh.
This is what I hate about these things, its always add a little bit of extra time on and wait for the next device

The very mention of microSD in these devices is enough for me to overlook them and appreciate my Universal even more - despite the superior performance of the new devices over the Universal. Since the Universal is VGA, has a stable performance, and uses SD Cards - I am pleased with it.
Only when SDHC readers start becoming more mainstream in PDA Phones will I start considering a successor to the Universal.

ATI Drivers are there!

Soure. http://xperiancers.com/2008/09/16/total-multimedia/
Total Multimedia
Tags: DVD playback on X1
As a product planner for X1, multimedia always meant high quality, nice screen, good playback horse power, easy ui …this comes from my years of working at Sony (our parent).
So when I started X1 planning I wanted to deliver the best in class multimedia to our consumers. The high end chipset in X1 allows for DVD quality playback of movies and some of our preinstalled contents show case that. 3D chip from ATI in the phone makes it a good platform for high end games. excellent support for music with cool BT speaker accessory. Great camera UI to capture high quality pics and movies and crisp screen to view those recorded memories.
All in all X1 qualifies itself as the best multimedia phone in the market today. The Media Xperience panel UI (similar to PS3 and Bravia) empowers the user to have the best in class Media experience with the touch of the screen.
–[email protected] Caltrain on the way back from work (9 pm)

"the SE Xperia X1 will come loaded with an ATI 3D gaming chip so it can support very high level games."
Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

^
I would rather buy a Radeon HD4850 for that

awe no crysis on X1?

nap007 said:
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I would rather buy a Radeon HD4850 for that
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Lol! Ok... so i am pretty much torn now, i just realized that i have enough cash saved up for Xperia which is enough for me to sell off my current laptop (HP Pavilion 6850en - 2.2 C2D, 3GB RAM, 250 GB HD, etc.) and then purchase the latest Sony Vaio FW series with a 2.8 GHz processor and a Blu-Ray dvd player... but that would mean i get stuck with the iPhone...

msalmank said:
Lol! Ok... so i am pretty much torn now, i just realized that i have enough cash saved up for Xperia which is enough for me to sell off my current laptop (HP Pavilion 6850en - 2.2 C2D, 3GB RAM, 250 GB HD, etc.) and then purchase the latest Sony Vaio FW series with a 2.8 GHz processor and a Blu-Ray dvd player... but that would mean i get stuck with the iPhone...
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Aww heck... who cares. Bring on the Xperia!!!

wow, he quoted himself!
anyway, I don't think a BD is a must now....

nap007 said:
wow, he quoted himself!
anyway, I don't think a BD is a must now....
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I thought exactly that and decided it was not worth it at the moment, especially since you won't find any Blu-Ray DVDs here in Pakistan at this time...

Eww don't get a sony viao. Horrible laptops! I love sony but not there laptops. There are really cluttered and cost is higher cause your paying for the brand.

Kloc said:
Eww don't get a sony viao. Horrible laptops! I love sony but not there laptops. There are really cluttered and cost is higher cause your paying for the brand.
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Yeah? I haven't used a Viao before, but a friend said that it was the best - and according to him not just 'cos of the brand.
Anyways... the major reason i was considering it was 'cos of the Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz processor, which apparently HP and Dell have yet to move up to.
My HP Pavilion has been working perfectly since i bought it and i am really happy with it... maybe i will upgrade to a faster one once HP releases something cool later this year.

"awe no crysis on X1?"
hhmpfff
it's common knowledge that the only thing
that thing can run crysis with max everything is
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) !!

I would touch wood on this ATI driver issue. Sure the chip might be in there but only benchmarks will show if it is actually fully utilized.
My dream for this baby is to be able to play a normal Xvid file without hickups.

My dream is to beable to play FPSEce games at full speed .

My dream would be for this phone to open RFID locked doors hehehehehe
maybe some modding would do it

Rudegar said:
"awe no crysis on X1?"
hhmpfff
it's common knowledge that the only thing
that thing can run crysis with max everything is
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) !!
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And even that burned out...
But seriously... why bother with a laptop, aside from the games, the X1 gives me all i want in a laptop - internet connectivity, video/music playback, editable office documents and even some evergreen ported PC games ^^

Yes Desktop and PDA is the way to go.

i got all 3 plus an ipod touch

Rudegar said:
i got all 3 plus an ipod touch
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got 3 what?

desktop, laptop and pda
would be interested how much the driver mean as in if the device
can run quake2 and 3 with ok fps

I m surprised that there havent been any reviews of the final unit that comes out in 2 days !!

which phone you buy after gene ?

which phone you buy after using gene ?
did you happy with WM OS phone or switch to other OS or brand ?
which is feature you don't like of Your gene
I don't like to extusb port I cant use my own headphones even I can't find HTC acessories

haree said:
hi all
im kinda getting bored of my gene thats how i am i get the itch and i just change my phone and this one has been with me for around a yr
i cant buy s 3Gdimond(too costly for me) but i want to buy only a HTC
i thought why not Viva can u all kindly give me ur suggestions and pricing u are aware of pls
but i want to buy HTC only
Thanks
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feature vise u get only more ram + wifi if you have gene
better wait save some money and go for dimond here is mumbai it cost u 18-19 k = you get 500mgz+ speed VGA More RAM Touch Flo 3D GPU perfect phone for Windows phone 6.5 / 7

thanks
hi
thanks for ur info and avise but i was told that diamond does not have expandable mem and that it has 4gb on board am i right as u say may be ill control my crazy itch for some time and wait for some price drop on the 3G
thanks again buddy
ankit360 said:
feature vise u get only more ram + wifi if you have gene
better wait save some money and go for dimond here is mumbai it cost u 18-19 k = you get 500mgz+ speed VGA More RAM Touch Flo 3D GPU perfect phone for Windows phone 6.5 / 7
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i like p3400 very much ....its really tough phone.....even though it lacks wifi (major problem) and it doesnt hv 3.5 mm jack
its' been more thn one year since i hv Gene ....n i gotta say that m very satisfied with its service..and battery life..
after gene i hv purchased two More HTC devices...HTC Diamond and HTC Touch HD....
but still i like gene so much...that i even dont wanna resell it...
i m thinkin to keep it....untill it lasts...
Some features r even better than HTC Diamond
like its Sound ( TOuch HD has best though)
Battery..(unbeatable)
memory card expansion (diamond lacks),,,
So....my opinion is.....if u hv Gene once,,....u cant forget it.....

So....my opinion is.....if u hv Gene once,,....u cant forget it.....
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+1 for this.

looks like u say......
hi all
reading all this it looks like all u guys are saying curb that bad itch to buy new phone and just keep the gene it looks quite convincing so may be ill keep my gene for some time till the itch to buy is so bad and may be down the line 3g would get cheaper thanks to all here for ur inputs
cause u kinda convinced me not to buy a new phone and my wife she would be happy about this as shes already kicking my A when i said im planning to buy a new phone
thanks a million guys
ramersonw said:
+1 for this.
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Its actually not just Gene, I can never forget my S710 (I gifted it to some one). First when I got my hands on it, I thought OMFG what a device! But now when I see touch Pro, my mouth starts watering . So, the first "Good" phone will always have a special place in your heart. Like I have a really soft corner for my Vox (and Nokia E50 ).
So in my opinion, if you feel like changing your phone (always a good idea ), Go for a higher processor. You can find specs at gsmarena.com.
I personally wish, I can some day afford a Touch Pro, or its successor or atleast a Tilt.

Addicted2xda said:
So in my opinion, if you feel like changing your phone (always a good idea ), Go for a higher processor
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well bro...i dont think so...that having higher processor makes a phone good...
having both touch HD n Touch diamond...i still think that gene is fast enough...
cuz in touch HD...i cant play even a video right......i mean...whtever format i use....at high quality (touch HD is supposed to play vid at high resolution 800x480) it always gets stuck.....and if i use low bitrate n low resolution...than it looks so bad.....
and both of thes high performance phones get hang a lot....
video in diam is good....but still watching vids in Touch HD at optimum quality is mystery for me..
ever core player in both phones doesnt support hardware acceleration.....so...its useless.......cuz using HTC for watching video.....sucks....
i mean no functions in HTC album at all...
only thing with thes higher devices r ther RAM.......plenty of free RAM is available in thes phones.. ....so...thts good....
and......wht to tell abt GPS........both touch HD n Diam seems so worth gps technology..........it takes so much time for getting "fix"..
so....i mean,......we waste lot of money in thes higher end phones (Diam is of Rs 24K n Touch HD comes in 42K .....and we get wht...?? ....
HTC should do something about it........really....i mean it..

but both phone u said has issues with their graphics drivers , just look in the dev hack section and u will know what i mean . HD is notorious for its play back issues. Any OMHO a faster processor is required for faster execution of code . And higher the graphics, more complex the code.

but both phone u said has issues with their graphics drivers , just look in the dev hack section and u will know what i mean . HD is notorious for its play back issues. Any OMHO a faster processor is required for faster execution of code . And higher the graphics, more complex the code.
Also a ppc is like a PC only if u upgrade your pc, wont you go for a higher CPU?

QVGA VGA or WVGA
my friend is impress with HTC gene and ask me which HTC phone is good to buy he ask me about 64k colors limitation of windows mobile. is quality of 64k VGA screen = 256 or 16m QVGA screen ?

@ Guys : Any idea about Samsung Omnia pro 7230? It is selling at 13-14 K, has wm6.1, 3G enabled, Qwerty keypad and looks like good business phone (blackberry style). See Specifications
Is it worth a buy as I am planning to purchase a Qwerty keypad phone with WM OS and relatively good battery life?
Please suggest some options within 15K? Blackberry or Nokia E63 ruled out.... Hope some support will also be available for these devices as well.

WHICH GOOD PHONESCR AVAILABE OH HTC BTN 14-15k?

techmate said:
@ Guys : Any idea about Samsung Omnia pro 7230? It is selling at 13-14 K, has wm6.1, 3G enabled, Qwerty keypad and looks like good business phone (blackberry style). See Specifications
Is it worth a buy as I am planning to purchase a Qwerty keypad phone with WM OS and relatively good battery life?
Please suggest some options within 15K? Blackberry or Nokia E63 ruled out.... Hope some support will also be available for these devices as well.
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any Windows Mobile base phone rules on business phone

I might say I spent the last week, doing less appointments and worrying more about my cute but bricked New Gene, but finally succeeded today in the morning at 2 A.M. (Thanx to Orefkov n Sumit).
But that has made the phone even dearer to me, I was a mad fan of Nokia, but HTC P3400i has definitely usurped the position now.
Planning for an Xperia next though, but Gene will always be my first n foremost in the touch category.........

I would like to buy a bigger screen one, like HTC TOUCH HD ,but I am in china. It now cost feckly 3300RMB.

@Guys : My Gene is deadIt fell in bucket full of water and has been declared as not worth further repair. Sent to burial....
I have bought Samsung OmniaPro 7320 ( Similar to Samsung Jack) without touch screen. It has Windows 6.1 Standard, 3 G, 3 MP camera, Wifi , GPS all other features. Sounds Great
But I am really missing the customised ROMs, applications, home screen themes and ..the Touch Screen feel. Many of WM applications like Clear temp, Resco Explorer, Oxios Memory etc. fail to install.
Could anybody help/direct me to sites where I can decent customised home screen and some custom applications compatible with Samsung Omnia Pro??
I hear Samsung would be making available WM6.5 upgrade available shortly. God Knows I am really missing XDA developers.

anyone have idea about Acer E101 because it has a good configuration at very low price if we compare with HTC devices
if anyone have this device plz share ur experience ..
thanks !!!!!!

I get the new HTC MAGIC 32A with android, at moment much better than WM

techmate said:
@Guys : My Gene is deadIt fell in bucket full of water and has been declared as not worth further repair. Sent to burial....
I have bought Samsung OmniaPro 7320 ( Similar to Samsung Jack) without touch screen....I am really missing XDA developers.
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Samsung Omnia Pro is a piece of [email protected] Regret buying it. BTW you can install apps using clearsecurity.
Waiting to save enough dough to buy a HTC Touch Screen device ... pay be Touch2

Just bite the bullet for a refurbished unit

I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:

maxkhoon said:
I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:
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Very unlikely, they let PS vita die and the xplay basically didn't have support and went obsolete really fast cause of the specs and memory. That being said I love it , I had up to 4 xplay at one point, sold them all and kept 1 for emulation. Sad I can't use it as mainly driver

maxkhoon said:
I have gave up waiting for a modern replacement, no device are like xperia play AFAIK, I absolutely love the idea of sliding mechanism to hide the controller and an ACTUAL integrated controller, it might be a tad pricey but I think it is worth it. I love my psp go too, I really hope Sony revive the Xperia play series :crying:
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apparently a nintendo phone might come out, if they do maybe sony will compete.

Ordered one too
Ordered one today too for €70 from AliExpress probably have to pay another €20 import taxes. I got it especially for emulation and especially especially for Super Mario World hacks as the PSP won't emulate it. I think it's a nicer machine than the handhelds coming out today. Had an Xperia Play about 5 years ago and remember how much i loved it. .. will take about a month i guess before it arrives

HA! ......Got one too yesterday. Trying to find a good guide to free its maximum potential if you know what i mean
EDIT: seems like there is a lot of very good information on this forum

I just recently picked up "refurb" as well. It honestly looks like it could be New old stock, it has no signs of use and came sealed in a Nokia branded shipping container. I can say it has already been an adventure to get everything working. I look forward to putting it through its paces, as I've already ordered a 64gb micro SD card to play around with.

I purchase this phone a few months now back in 2011-2013 this phone is amazing a lot of developers are working and customizing this phone. I watch a lot of video how to root installing custom rom upgrading and tweaking. After installing customizing rom and some experiment I end it up go back to stock firmware. Reason why. Yes it will boost the performance of your phone but it’s not really stable sometimes the functionality of the phone will ruined and end up to boot. This is my personal opinion and experience only. However on stock firmware what you can do is root the device and install CWM it will work fine. I have a lot of hd android games install to my xperia mini pro and Im trying to do the same thing in xperia play.
Using this phone in 2020 is still fine at least for me im not in to online gaming. I use this phone for emulation such as Nes, Snes, Gba, GB Color, Sega genesis, PS1 (not all of the games run smoothly) some HD android HD games and for call and text sometimes Facebook.
I hope Sony the make another phone like Xperia play with controller like this added L.1.2.3 and R. 1.2.3 trigger 2 analog stick. Updated android version. Bigger internal storage 256gb to 1tb will be awesome!!! A card slot up to 1tb, 6gb to 8gb ram, 4000Mah. 20 mega pixel front and back 4” to 5” screen is fine. Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon 865, CPU Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 585 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 585 & 4x1.8 GHz Kryo 585) GPU Adreno 650. 3.5mm jack.
I’m kind a crazy after thinking of this spec XD. But hey it will be a perfect phone who love emulation and hd android gaming.