hi
can't format the MicroDrive with the FORMAT MICRODRIVE TOOL
give me , The microdrive cannot be Accessed
HELP PLZ
tnx david
Did you tried the "Recover microdrive" option? (there are two possibilities - format or recover microdrive). Anyway, this seems to be a quite common problem, unfortunately...
thank you very match
it is working..
tried the "Recover microdrive
Yes i tried the "Recover microdrive ,it not help
tnx david
Help for FAT Corruption on MicroDrive
I experienced same Prob's in the past and was struggeling to get this fixed.
Switch off Device by pressing On/Off Button for several seconds.
when Off, take out the battery for about 30 seconds or so, then re-insert the Battery, switch on Ameo/Athena again by pressing On/Off for some seconds. After that, Microdrive should reappear....
next steps....
First: I recovered my lost data with Ac[email protected] by connecting my T-Mobile Ameo (DE) via WM5Storage and USB Connection to my WinXP-based Laptop. In most cases the Directory names are lost, but the DataFiles were recovered perfectly in shape.
Second: after having recovered the Contend of my MDrive, I reformated the Microdrive via WinXP Explorer right-click menu 'Format'. Choose FAT32 as Format, do NOT use quick format, as it will not really hit all sectors with reformat.
Third: After Soft-Reset on the Ameo/Athena go to all Applications and set configuration to NOT storing anything on MicroDrive. Use SD-Card or Device Mem instead.
Forth: Switch off Device by pressing On/Off Button for several seconds.
when Off, take out the battery for about 30 seconds or so, then re-insert the Battery, switch on Ameo/Athena again by pressing On/Off for some seconds.
Well, you are now done.
You may now reconfigure any Application to use Microdrive for Storage, but do it Step by Step. Until Now, I can not tell,if any and/or which Application had impact in the past. I reactivate step by step, 1 App per week, to check...
...Until now, my MicroDrive is perfectly in a healthy state...
AND Very important !!! It looks like the Build-in Microdrive Format Tool does not work correctly. Low level checks after formating with this tool did show problems with the FAT-Tables. some tools show FAT12 (which can not address 8GB fully), some show FAT16 (Can address 8GB, but is not supported from most OS), some show FAT32 (which is best choise for that size)
SO, my conclusion is to NOT use MicoDrive Format Tool at all....
Till now, it's paying off for me....
Update from years later......
some additional infos: To prevent ocassional corruption look a likes(see below), disable any auto startup routines from Navigation Software(e.g. TomTom, Navigon) to be found on SD-Card or elsewhere and mainly located in Dir called 2577. Those may interfere with the initialisation of the MD and then, Directory of the MD shows some very strange File and directory names.
If you prevent the autostarts, after switching the device totally off(holding Power button some seconds) and switch on again, this will recover to the original Data, Names und Files on the MD.
I found this, due to the fact, that after this corruption look a like, the Memory Page of Taskmanager still showed the original number of used space on the MD. so I started to do some try and error.....
Well, taking both steps, Format and disable Autorun, I haven't had a corruption sign since now more than one year....
UweWeber said:
I experienced same Prob's in the past and was struggeling to get this fixed.
Switch off Device by pressing On/Off Button for several seconds.
when Off, take out the battery for about 30 seconds or so, then re-insert the Battery, switch on Ameo/Athena again by pressing On/Off for some seconds. After that, Microdrive should reappear....
next steps....
First: I recovered my lost data with [email protected] by connecting my T-Mobile Ameo (DE) via WM5Storage and USB Connection to my WinXP-based Laptop. In most cases the Directory names are lost, but the DataFiles were recovered perfectly in shape.
Second: after having recovered the Contend of my MDrive, I reformated the Microdrive via WinXP Explorer right-click menu 'Format'. Choose FAT32 as Format, do NOT use quick format, as it will not really hit all sectors with reformat.
Third: After Soft-Reset on the Ameo/Athena go to all Applications and set configuration to NOT storing anything on MicroDrive. Use SD-Card or Device Mem instead.
Forth: Switch off Device by pressing On/Off Button for several seconds.
when Off, take out the battery for about 30 seconds or so, then re-insert the Battery, switch on Ameo/Athena again by pressing On/Off for some seconds.
Well, you are now done.
You may now reconfigure any Application to use Microdrive for Storage, but do it Step by Step. Until Now, I can not tell,if any and/or which Application had impact in the past. I reactivate step by step, 1 App per week, to check...
...Until now, my MicroDrive is perfectly in a healthy state...
AND Very important !!! It looks like the Build-in Microdrive Format Tool does not work correctly. Low level checks after formating with this tool did show problems with the FAT-Tables. some tools show FAT12 (which can not address 8GB fully), some show FAT16 (Can address 8GB, but is not supported from most OS), some show FAT32 (which is best choise for that size)
SO, my conclusion is to NOT use MicoDrive Format Tool at all....
Till now, it's paying off for me....
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UweWeber,
This is a good post. Thanks for your good effort.
This [email protected] thingy. Is it a software that runs on the PC side? Where can I get this software?
Keep up the good work, mate.
Great "step by step".
So am I getting it right that for people who don't yet have a problem with their Ameo MD, to prevent problems they should reformat at FAT32 in XP? ie start the step by step from step 2.
Great!
What Wm5 storage version are you using (1.73, 1.75,...) ?
Currupted MD - No Way
i'm using V1.73.
I would not recommend to format perfect working MDrive. Think that it's formated correctly in Factory.
Mine has worked fine in the beginning, until..., I have reformated it, because that looked faster to me than deleting 12000 files by hand from it. That was the point, where trouble started....
eaglesteve said:
UweWeber,
This is a good post. Thanks for your good effort.
This [email protected] thingy. Is it a software that runs on the PC side? Where can I get this software?
Keep up the good work, mate.
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check out http://www.active-undelete.com
This piece of code has protected my a.. several times...it's worth the $$
and it's running on PC. Please check Options, not sure if all available versions support Removable Media.
I personally use Enterprise Network Edition V5.5.000
Uweweber,
Great post. This is the one part of the X7501 (WM6) I felt was the greatest let down.
Btw, I found V1.8 at http://www.freewareppc.com/communication/wm5torage.shtml.
I was hoping to make clear to all (and to me) your instruction to " go to all Applications and set configuration to NOT storing anything on MicroDrive."
1) Did you mean go to 'Settings', 'System', 'Storage Manager' then select the Mirdodrive (Dsk1) then properties then unmount?
2) Do you now always use WM5Storage and USB to load or remove items from the Microdrive?
3) Have you ever not been able to open 'Storage Manager' - damn thing won't open now - even after a warm reset
Thanks for the tips - here''s hoping!
X7501 -- MicroDrive corruption
Fixerboy,
never told to to do anything like...unmounting MDrive...Ok. it's an Application, yes, ok - Addition to the post (UweWeber) please do not tell WM5Storage to not use Microdrive....
BTW: after Weeks of testing, no Application was the source of corruption, it was just the wrong formated MDrive...since it was formated in FAT32, no more probs...
Just updated now to WM 6 , no probs ....
Hi
Your post (I don't know why don't read earlier?) may solve my problem.
I lost many times my data on MD, but I tryed format with internal tool. More than half year I only use MD for nothing because really problematic, but me a need a storege for music, pictures, videos.
I try again use MD with your format tutorial.
So I thank your post
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I 'm now using 2 gb of memory. When i turn off my screen for a moment and trun on the screen. There is nothing comming up. I have to reset my hermes. Pls advise..what 's wrong ? Before i used 1 gb of memory, i never seen this problem.One thing i use calendar plus on the today screen.
After selling my Wizard to get the Hermes, I have discovered that the Hermes is a VERY unstable device.
I have experienced (and still do sometimes) what you are experiencing. From what I can see, this is normal for this device. If this continues, I'll have to sell this and get something else. The other day my device did this and I called it from my house phone to see if it would even ring, and it did not. I guess I could live with the PDA locking up, but if it interferes with the devices primary function as a phone, it's totally unacceptable.
jcute, i was having this problem for a bit, but my issue only occured when it was on the charger and i temporarily shut off the screen, it would then not turn on and would have to softreset every time
i noticed this problem occuring after installing some software including weather software (cant recall exactly which) and skype, not sure which one was the main problem but wasnt using either hence their uninstall and correcting of the problem
good luck, try removing some recently installd software and seeing if the problem persists and perhaps try removing the microsd card and running ur phone without it for a bit to see if the problem is the card
time for rom upgrade ?
thanks for info. I tried to unplug micro sd 2 gb and press power button again ..it 's work !!after that i plugin micro sd again but some icon 's missing at the today screen. Ex. resco today icon , psshutdown, photo contact.....So the question is that i have to do this everytime when screen 's off???
After upgrading to AKU 3.3 and installing my programs only to the main memory, I've noticed far fewer lockups as opposed to before when I ran many programs such as Pocket Player or GPRS monitor from my 2gb sandisk.
I guess the moral of the story is, try not to install programs that access your memory card while your phone is in sleep mode.
DonnieZ said:
I guess I could live with the PDA locking up, but if it interferes with the devices primary function as a phone, it's totally unacceptable.
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I would not get a Hermes if I wanted it to be a phone primarily. IMHO most of these devices XDAs, are primarily PDAs with a phone tacked on.
Just a humble observation
Mike
my problem is when i scroll or drag the side bar too fast (inside memory card),the device will hang and need to soft reset.
can anybody solve this problem??
Goto www.softwinter.com and try out storage tools. I've found that a regular repair and defrag help the load times from the storage card tremendously. Also, someone mentioned above that reformating your storage card with fat32 helps and I too can confirm that. Let us know if that helps or not.
Lance
one more thing, when i reset my hermes, it hangs at the welcome screen. I always get this problem.
Hello all, I have a curious problem.
Though I'm generally very pleased with my T-Mobile Ameo it seems it doesn't like soft resets with a mini sd inserted. On starting a soft reset the unit appears to reboot normally until it hits the password screen where it waits for a few seconds, (I can even start entering my password), and then starts the soft reset cycle again. It will keep doing this until I remove the memory card. I have two cards and it does the same with either.
Inserting the card after a soft reset and everything is fine again, 'though I don't seem able to remove Microdrive2 successfully!
I also have the 4 in one cable and desktop cradle, neither will function correctly until I've done a soft reset which is where this missive started!!
Any ideas, thanks in advance, Paul
you need to check to see which startup progs are trying to access the card.
alternatively check the card for any progs in 2577 folder or any autorun files on the root of the card.
I had the same thing this week, after trying a tweak with sktools. a reboot sans card and remove the prog sorted it.
Use a 'Safe mode' application to prevent this in future..
I had this soft reset loop issue too some weeks ago..drove me nuts!! Couldn't get back into Windows. I had to end up hard resetting the darn thing.
May I suggest you use some kind of 'safe mode' application for potential future problems, so you gain control of the problem much quicker.
mackaby007 said:
SafeAdvanced. A useful bit of kit that and 'fit for purpose'.
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Thanks for the help. Morale of the issue is don't put programs that are needed on startup on the storage card!
Paul
iconoclast said:
Thanks for the help. Morale of the issue is don't put programs that are needed on startup on the storage card!
Paul
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See your point but not necessarily true. I've had WA2 and now WA3 Beta 3 on mini SD card and both are in startup folder and run with no issues.
Just a thought.
I had this problem and started a thread about this a while back.
I found it was with cheap "fake" cards that had a low speed io value.
I decided to give up on the memory card, the device has 8gb of storage anyway... faster to use that than the memory card. I just use the memory card if I need to transfer the data easier.
Hi all.
Got a problem I hope you all get help me with. It's not directly my problem as my device is OK. My cousin's Ameo has a fault/problem with his Micro Drive.
I have hard reset his WM5 based Ameo but cannot format the hard drive (MD). I've even flashed the WM6 T-Mob005 ROM to it (doesn't need unlocking before flashing). That all went to plan, but still cannot format the MD. The types of error messages I get are:
1) Unable to access Micro drive...there has been a sharing violation
2) Ensure the Micro drive is not in use...
And many other messages relating to the same thing...the MD is somehow locked and will not allow anything to be deleted from it or written to it. It's similar I suppose to a SD card being manually locked by the little slide button on it.
Anyway I've tried Flash Format, Ontrack Easy Recovery and several other 3rd party apps including SKTools and Pocket Mechanic Pro...all have the same problem but display different messages which mean the same thing...cannot access the MD..or exclusive access denied..please ensure the drive is not in use etc etc...I've tried through various apps to shut down any running processes that relate to any activity on the MD, but as the device was hard reset and flashed with a new ROM, there can be no apps running from the MD as none have been installed to it.
Finally of some importance I believe; It takes along time to delete even the smallest file from the Micro Drive even though a message pops up that access is denied..it deletes it nonetheless. However on resetting the device..all is back on the MD as if nothing had ever been deleted!
Also tried Recover MD and Format MD from the built-in app and tried formatting using the Resco Explorer version. Oh yeah tried various PC tools to format the MD via WM5torage, but to no avail.
I think the MD is screwed (physically), God knows this device of my cousins has been dropped numerous times. LoL, but seriously, if it's not due to misuse, then it can potentially happen to any one of us who have the spinning mechanical MD, hence my determination to resolve it before it happens to me or anyone else.
Anybody here knowledgeable in the area of Micro Drives or even hard drives to shed some light on this problem?
Thanks for any feedback.
More developments!
Another interesting point is that the Micro Drive folder is dated 1/1/98.....under Resco Explorer. Go figure!??!
Still at a loss. Meanwhile Olipro's Athena Unlocker worked a treat from beginning to end and it now has the Dopod U1000 WM6 ROM...so it's fully unlocked...yet the MD issue remains..hmmmmm.
if the microdrive is anything like a hard drive, with spining platters, it wouldnt last very long for day to day use, ive heard of hard drives getting goosed very easily, with a slight knock. I know the ameo is ment to have a fail safe if you drop it. but if yove tried everything you say I would have to guess it was f*ck*d.
I read your post again, I assume the on board software is the same as doing a hard reset with formating the drive!
when you run wm5torage I assume you can see the drive, if youve tried to delete files I assume you can access the drive. Just cant format.
I had the opposite 2 nights ago copying 2 films 1 copyed the other one went through the motion but never got copyed.
a program for the pc that helped me a couple of times was called Swisknife, its like partition magic only free.
I cant think of anything else, ive been out of computers to long now.
Can you copy files from the drive!
Oh well...the journey continues..
johnwalk said:
if the microdrive is anything like a hard drive, with spinning platters, it wouldn't last very long for day to day use, I've heard of hard drives getting goosed very easily, with a slight knock. I know the ameo is meant to have a fail safe if you drop it. but if you've tried everything you say I would have to guess it was f*ck*d.
I read your post again, I assume the on board software is the same as doing a hard reset with formating the drive!
when you run wm5torage I assume you can see the drive, if you've tried to delete files I assume you can access the drive. Just cant format.
I had the opposite 2 nights ago copying 2 films 1 copied the other one went through the motion but never got copied.
a program for the pc that helped me a couple of times was called Swissknife, its like partition magic only free.
I cant think of anything else, ive been out of computers to long now.
Can you copy files from the drive!
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Hi johnwalk & thanks for your reply.
All of your assumptions were correct. I can even copy from the MD but not copy to it and it's very slow indeed.
I tried the swissknife app but none of the versions would start up on my PC..hmmm somethings a miss with my PC me thinks.
I managed to delete 'ALL' the files of the MD through WM5torage, but a soft reset of the device puts it all back again. Here I've included a screen-shot of some the crap I saw for the first time today (look at the dates of the files!??! Weird ah?), but it's all gone again now and returned to the normal looking files that I'm trying to get rid of.
Don't worry, I have no expectations, but do appreciate the help you've given me.
Cheers
if you can see the microdrive in windows try and run a program called killdisk on it if you dont care about the data that is on there and after that try and format it. killdisk will write all zero's to the drive killing any data on it. You could also try running scandisk and making it check every sector and try to repair bad sectors if it finds any.
c0mput0r said:
if you can see the microdrive in windows try and run a program called killdisk on it if you dont care about the data that is on there and after that try and format it. killdisk will write all zero's to the drive killing any data on it. You could also try running scandisk and making it check every sector and try to repair bad sectors if it finds any.
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that won't work. and can't.
what I suggest doing is holding the volume slider down and pushing in the reset hole, first perform the device reset, then the microdrive reset.
if that does nothing, go into bootloader and use mtty to issue the following commands;
task 28 55aa
task 28 55aa abcd
task 28 abcd
task 8
see if that gets you anywhere
c0mput0r said:
if you can see the microdrive in windows try and run a program called killdisk on it if you dont care about the data that is on there and after that try and format it. killdisk will write all zero's to the drive killing any data on it. You could also try running scandisk and making it check every sector and try to repair bad sectors if it finds any.
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Thanks for the help mate, but no software can write to the darn MD.
Olipro said:
that won't work. and can't.
what I suggest doing is holding the volume slider down and pushing in the reset hole, first perform the device reset, then the microdrive reset.
if that does nothing, go into bootloader and use mtty to issue the following commands;
task 28 55aa
task 28 55aa abcd
task 28 abcd
task 8
see if that gets you anywhere
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Much appreciate the help Olipro...didn't wanna bother you for a few.....
Nonetheless, it didn't work in formatting the hard drive, only the device.
I swear the things possessed.
The message I get all to frequently after trying to format it is: The Microdrive cannot be formatted, there has been a sharing violation. The Microdrive may be in use.
The picture of your screen shot is what I've had several times on mini sd cards. I can't remember how it happened. im sure it was copying files. of course I could just take out the card. which is of no help here. the first time it happened I was convinced it was the magnet.
mackaby007,
Looking at you screenshot, i can say that ive seen this on my own advantage. I wasn't trying to add/remove any files, just browse the drive. I remember it was bloody slow, too. It wad taking a good minute to show the folder tree every time I browsed to a new folder. Im not sure what caused it, but thankfully, a soft-reset solved the problem.
I know that's not much help to you, but thought it may be a story worth sharing. Hope you get it sorted
Thanks for all your feedback guys, I appreciate it.
Unfortunately, nothing I have tried so far has even come close to working. Well I've got until Saturday to fix it, then my cousin will take it back fixed or otherwise.
Suppose he'll have to invest in a 4GB miniSDHC card until this MD issue can be resolved. Still got to call Hitachi as they have some tools on their website that might help restore the MD.
I'll keep you informed of any developments. Hopefully this is not a common occurrence on Athenas.
Does anyone know if the 8GB miniSDHC cards are available yet? I can only find the 4gig ones.
Same Issue, Same device
Yeh, I've had the same error message but I fortunately had a program on the device that will format the MD. The error message occured when attempting this so I reset the device and went back to the same program and selected the "Restore MicroDrive" function which rebooted the PDA then asked if I want to format the storage card. Tapped "Yes" and all was well.
I have had quite a few problems with this device as I know of at least 20 people who use it and have had either the same problem or similar. For example sometimes, for no reason, all the critical data on the MD becomes corrupt and shows just the "Voices" folder from TomTom6 with "collected.ini" and an obviously corrupted file with a weird filename. Sometimes a few soft resets and fully turning off and on will bring it to a point where simply creating a new folder will bring back all lost folders.
Go figure...hope this post helps.
MasterASSET
Hello,
since I purchased the HD, every day or so (sometimes more frequently, sometimes less) the SD card disappears (in file explorer list there is no storage card icon, files are not accessible etc.) both when the phone is in stand-by or during normal operation.
To restore working I have to take out and reinsert the card and this is of course quite annoying. I have not noticed any corruption in the files, simply it is as the entire card is not present.
I am running the factory rom but not using TF3D. Did anybody else experience the same? Any possible explanation or is just a problem of faulty phone?
TIA
graz
The only time my Memory Card "disappears" is when I have the USB Cable plugged in from my PC and I select "Disk Mode".
Same for me, the "Disk Mode" gives the PC exclusive access to the SD card, that disappears from the resources accessible directly from the phone, but re-appears as soon as I unplug the usb cable.
cxar71 said:
Same for me, the "Disk Mode" gives the PC exclusive access to the SD card, that disappears from the resources accessible directly from the phone, but re-appears as soon as I unplug the usb cable.
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Thx for your reply. I am familiar with this, the behaviour I am mentioning occurs randomly, even when phone is in sleep mode (e.g. I push power and no sd card....), writing messages, etc. I am not even sure it happens when it is accessing the card...
Of course I have already tried with a brand new card with same results. If nobody else noticed this I really suspect a fault in the equipment.
I'm having the same problem every now and then the card disappears and then i have to reboot to get it back.
try it perhaps it will help
perhaps this helps
Use ADVANCED CONFIG and change under "Performances the PNP unload delay or the PNP wait I/O delay to a higher value .
xdawis said:
perhaps this helps
Use ADVANCED CONFIG and change under "Performances the PNP unload delay or the PNP wait I/O delay to a higher value .
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Thx, will try. On the other hand I assume that everybody else is on standard values so there must be another cause why I am the only (or one of the few) to report this problem (apart for an hardware fault of course).
I have the same problem here. Ive been rebooting to get the card back, never thought about just taking the card out and putting it back in again.
Same problem with Touch Pro once a month or so. Reinserting the card without reset also works
Here is an application I heard about today, it might help:
"StorageTools for Windows Mobile" http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
I'm not too sure if the unregistered version does correction.
But, I have used it to do a verify (found a few errors on my 16 gig) card.
Hi everyone,
I am hoping to save you all headaches and the pain of hardware resets. I finally figured this out and wanted to share it with you as I know how much time we all spend customizing our HD2's and how long it takes after a hardware reset.
The problem:
HTC Sense will not load. Hardware reset required. This happened to be 7-8 times before I realised what caused it.
You either shutdown or reset your phone and HTC Sense fails to load. ALso get certificate errors, and most apps/programs file to load
What was causing it:
There could be many causes. For me it was the following. Each time:
I connect my phone to my PC in 'Disk Drive' mode. All works fine. Once I disconnect the phone from the pc, or when I rest. I get the problem mentioned above. Nothing I can do, simply have to hardware reset.
Why it happens:
If you have apps/tweaks/programs or anything else for that matter installed on the SD card. When you connect the phone to your pc in 'Disk Drive' mode, it locks the SD card exclusively by the pc. Therefore WM and Sense cannot access the SD card. If you go to your phone and use file explorer, you will see that the SD card is not visible/available.
Somehow this damages the registry/apps/programs causing the problems outlined above.
This happened to me several times. Each time I had installed apps and though it was that particular app. The last time I did nothing. Just transferred some movies and the problem happened. Thats when I did another test. Again, same problem.
I have always connect my phone in ActiveSync mode now, never had this problem again.
BEWARE - DO NOT connect your phone in 'Disk Drive' mode to your PC.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
I also had this problem, but I never used diskdrive mode
This is the truth about disk drive mode, not the above!!
hgalanos said:
Hi everyone,
I am hoping to save you all headaches and the pain of hardware resets. I finally figured this out and wanted to share it with you as I know how much time we all spend customizing our HD2's and how long it takes after a hardware reset.
The problem:
HTC Sense will not load. Hardware reset required. This happened to be 7-8 times before I realised what caused it.
You either shutdown or reset your phone and HTC Sense fails to load. ALso get certificate errors, and most apps/programs file to load
What was causing it:
There could be many causes. For me it was the following. Each time:
I connect my phone to my PC in 'Disk Drive' mode. All works fine. Once I disconnect the phone from the pc, or when I rest. I get the problem mentioned above. Nothing I can do, simply have to hardware reset.
Why it happens:
If you have apps/tweaks/programs or anything else for that matter installed on the SD card. When you connect the phone to your pc in 'Disk Drive' mode, it locks the SD card exclusively by the pc. Therefore WM and Sense cannot access the SD card. If you go to your phone and use file explorer, you will see that the SD card is not visible/available.
Somehow this damages the registry/apps/programs causing the problems outlined above.
This happened to me several times. Each time I had installed apps and though it was that particular app. The last time I did nothing. Just transferred some movies and the problem happened. Thats when I did another test. Again, same problem.
I have always connect my phone in ActiveSync mode now, never had this problem again.
BEWARE - DO NOT connect your phone in 'Disk Drive' mode to your PC.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
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All you have to do to avoid these issues is use a little common sense ....
Disk drive mode is a lot faster than Active Sync so for , syncing large files, or a lot of music Disk drive mode does it in half the time ...
Now some of the points you made are true, if you connect in disk drive mode, your phone does not have access to the SD for the duration of your connection ...
Now here is where the common sense comes in .... Follow along ....
1.) Connect your phone via disk drive mode, lay it down, and DON'T TOUCH IT TILL YOUR DONE, and are going to unplug it ...
That is about it ....
If you want to be really really safe(read paranoid), you can switch to airplane mode for the duration ..
I use my phone about 85% of the time in disk drive mode and have had none of the "problems" above ...
So again treat it like you are supposed to , treat it like a removable drive, you don't try to run programs or make calls on your thumb drive, or you external hard drive do you(this does not mean run programs from , wanted to add this to eliminate the obvious)?
Now with all that said, Disk Drive mode is much faster if you use it like you are supposed.
p.s. And it is just safe to unplug your phone from the USB if you need to reset it, saves power spikes, driver load time, and just a bunch of headaches, like the fact it is a usb drive that you just UN-safely removed from your PC because you reset it and that caused it to hard disconnect.
One more thing, it is not a good thing to make statements like you have made to be, FACT, to the community, if you work for HTC or a hardware manufacturer and are pointing out a defect then that is good, but your points are not really FACT , they are your experience.
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If you have apps/tweaks/programs or anything else for that matter installed on the SD card.
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well theres your problem, tweaks on the sd card? just asking for trouble.
any program that either interacts with the system, or runs in the background, or tweaks should always go on device.
watcher64 said:
All you have to do to avoid these issues is use a little common sense ....
Disk drive mode is a lot faster than Active Sync so for , syncing large files, or a lot of music Disk drive mode does it in half the time ...
Now some of the points you made are true, if you connect in disk drive mode, your phone does not have access to the SD for the duration of your connection ...
Now here is where the common sense comes in .... Follow along ....
1.) Connect your phone via disk drive mode, lay it down, and DON'T TOUCH IT TILL YOUR DONE, and are going to unplug it ...
That is about it ....
If you want to be really really safe(read paranoid), you can switch to airplane mode for the duration ..
I use my phone about 85% of the time in disk drive mode and have had none of the "problems" above ...
So again treat it like you are supposed to , treat it like a removable drive, you don't try to run programs or make calls on your thumb drive, or you external hard drive do you(this does not mean run programs from , wanted to add this to eliminate the obvious)?
Now with all that said, Disk Drive mode is much faster if you use it like you are supposed.
p.s. And it is just safe to unplug your phone from the USB if you need to reset it, saves power spikes, driver load time, and just a bunch of headaches, like the fact it is a usb drive that you just UN-safely removed from your PC because you reset it and that caused it to hard disconnect.
One more thing, it is not a good thing to make statements like you have made to be, FACT, to the community, if you work for HTC or a hardware manufacturer and are pointing out a defect then that is good, but your points are not really FACT , they are your experience.
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totally agree with that! the disk drive mode is EXTREMELY valuable. my kaiser didn't have it, and so i carried around a microsd card reader in my pocket along with the phone.
with the hd2, i don't have to carry the card reader anymore (though the card reader is even faster).
in my use, i have never been forced to do a hard reset as an outcome of daily use of the phone and its advertised features. this includes almost daily use of the disk drive mode.
during this time, sense has remained stable...with CHT installed...to DEVICE memory of course. which leads me to my final point. install all your programs to device memory, especially services and background applications or start up applications. keep your active wallpapers and ring tones and message tones and theme related stuff on device memory. games and documents and media and the like can go on the storage card. heck i even install games to my device memory because i can...the HD2 has 2-3 times more device memory than the windows mobile devices of the past 3 years!
perhaps the more appropriate warning for everyone is:
AVOID INSTALLING PROGRAMS TO THE STORAGE CARD IF YOU INTEND ON USING THE DISK DRIVE MODE. IF YOU MUST INSTALL TO THE STORAGE CARD, THEN AVOID UNNECESSARY USE OF THE DEVICE WHILE IT IS IN DISK DRIVE MODE.
Seems like a lot of sensationalism in the OP, but the point is valid. Installing apps/tweaks/etc to the SD card and then attempting to use elements which access those resources while they're not available is bound to create issues.
Simply install those applications/tweaks to the internal memory. I've done this, use disk mode 95% of the time and have not had any issues with Sense crapping itself.
chuck232 said:
Seems like a lot of sensationalism in the OP, but the point is valid. Installing apps/tweaks/etc to the SD card and then attempting to use elements which access those resources while they're not available is bound to create issues.
Simply install those applications/tweaks to the internal memory. I've done this, use disk mode 95% of the time and have not had any issues with Sense crapping itself.
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My Fear with the title of this post is , those that do not know any better, will not actually read the thread, but only the opening post ...
Things like "DO NOT" and "MUST READ" in the title imply facts not in evidence.
And to be honest, and trying not to hurt anybodies feelings(yeah right!), there are enough misconceptions by newbe's , we do not need more ....
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The problem:
HTC Sense will not load. Hardware reset required. This happened to be 7-8 times before I realised what caused it.
You either shutdown or reset your phone and HTC Sense fails to load. ALso get certificate errors, and most apps/programs file to load
What was causing it:
There could be many causes. For me it was the following. Each time:
I connect my phone to my PC in 'Disk Drive' mode. All works fine. Once I disconnect the phone from the pc, or when I rest. I get the problem mentioned above. Nothing I can do, simply have to hardware reset.
Why it happens:
If you have apps/tweaks/programs or anything else for that matter installed on the SD card. When you connect the phone to your pc in 'Disk Drive' mode, it locks the SD card exclusively by the pc. Therefore WM and Sense cannot access the SD card. If you go to your phone and use file explorer, you will see that the SD card is not visible/available.
BEWARE - DO NOT connect your phone in 'Disk Drive' mode to your PC.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
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Alright time to settle this once and for all. I literally JUST did what you expressly warned us all not to do and I can say for a FACT that the Mass Storage/Disk Drive works absolutely fine.
Steps to avoid your problem -
1. After connecting to Mass Storage mode, lay the phone down and LEAVE IT ALONE. Like watcher said earlier, you don't pick up your portable hard drive and play with it while it's connected to your PC so why would you do this to your phone when it's acting as a portable hard drive?
2. Don't run apps installed to SD card while the phone is connected in Mass Storage mode. When in Mass Storage mode, your device CANNOT access the SD card. Your phone is acting as an SD card reader. Therefore if you try to run an app that is installed to the SD card while connected in this method, you will get an error. No brainer.
3. You know that neat little system tray in the bottom right hand corner of your Windows computer? Down there is a "Safely remove hardware" button. Get used to using this button. It's the only way to remove the hardware from without risking damage to the data on the card. If you just unplug the phone from the PC, you're not giving either the phone or the PC any warning about what you're about to do. If you use the "Safely remove hardware" feature on your PC, it stops the drivers on a software level, making it safe to unplug the device without the risk of damage to the files. NO BRAINER.
4. Follow my advice - It'll save you future headaches while continuing to use the Mass Storage mode on your phone.
Cheers -
Dan
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DO NOT Use Disk Drive mode - MUST READ
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Using Disk Drive Mode - Avoiding potential issues.
I fear that the original title of the thread could be misleading to some and so it was changed to something more "informative" as opposed to what it was, a warning.
c'mon, man. just like others said, it's just sensationalism and if you used common sense you wouldn't post this thread. have you tried copying big files via active sync? apparently not.
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c'mon, man. just like others said, it's just sensationalism and if you used common sense you wouldn't post this thread. have you tried copying big files via active sync? apparently not.
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Who might I ask is your post targeting? In examples like this, when specifically targeting your message to a single person and not as a general statement, it's best to quote at least part of the message you're replying to.
-DH
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Who might I ask is your post targeting? In examples like this, when specifically targeting your message to a single person and not as a general statement, it's best to quote at least part of the message you're replying to.
-DH
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sorry. i was speaking to the OP
question about the disk drive mode and double twist. Anytime I try to use disk drive mode, double twist tries to run. So I have been using active sync only.
Question 1: Do I need double twist?
Question 2: If I let it run, what is gonna happen?
Used disk drive mode on my tp2 all the time (well, when transfering certain converted movies....) and had no problems.
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question about the disk drive mode and double twist. Anytime I try to use disk drive mode, double twist tries to run. So I have been using active sync only.
Question 1: Do I need double twist?
Question 2: If I let it run, what is gonna happen?
Used disk drive mode on my tp2 all the time (well, when transfering certain converted movies....) and had no problems.
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just delete the autorun.inf off your sd card ...
It is just a media sync app that sucks IMHO ...
Good to see all the feedback.
I can tell you for a FACT that I tested this again.
I connected it to the pc, did nothing. Disconnected the phone, all ok.
I did a soft reset after a few mins. Same thing. Sense crapped itself.
I have BSB Tweaks, CHT, and various other UI tweaks installed on phone memory. I have various apps on the SD card.
Anyways, another question.
The size displayed for the phone memory under windows when the phone is connected. Is this the total space left on internal memory, or only space left to install apps?
Reason I am asking is that if I install everything on the internal mem, won't it kill performance and cause other issues?
Thanks.
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c'mon, man. just like others said, it's just sensationalism and if you used common sense you wouldn't post this thread. have you tried copying big files via active sync? apparently not.
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Of course I have copie dlarge files. Why else would I buy a phone with SD storage available.
I have a 16GB SD card and copy movies to it all the time. I use Windows explorer, takes a little longer, but regardless of any other opinions, I will not be using Disk Drive mode ever again. I have been burnt too many times.
I've always used disk drive mode, pulled the phone out without doing safely remove, taken phone calls, run apps which are installed on the phone not the SD and never had a problem.
Perhaps you've got a duff phone that's a little bit sensitive, or a duff app which is causing it?
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just delete the autorun.inf off your sd card ...
It is just a media sync app that sucks IMHO ...
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thanks. I wasn't sure if the autorun.inf was for that or something else. I need to transfer over some psx games to the storage card and I don't like taking the back off the phone more than necessary.