PSX Emulator for PPC??? - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General

PSX Emulator for PPC??? - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General

if you dont knnow what im talking about check it here: http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forums/gaming/17936-playstation-emulator.html
i just wanna know if anyone can (or is willing to) stand behind this thing bcuz knowing what a PSX's minimun specs are for a PC ijust dont see how this coould work on a PPC. i'd try it myself but i dont want my device's processor to explode =/

I had this set up on my wizard a while back. it's a pain to set up, take huge amounts of memory, and runs slow, but it DOES work. You have to convert a game to an iso, try to rip out the video sequences to make it smaller compress the audio like in Scumm and then compress it. as I recall the decompression wouldn't work on WM5 so you couldn't compress the iso so even a small game took 100 megs. after a while the novelty of showing off psx on my phone wasn't worth the space. Looks like there's a new version so maybe the WM5 issues have been ironed out. I just may try it again.

joemanb said:
I had this set up on my wizard a while back. it's a pain to set up, take huge amounts of memory, and runs slow, but it DOES work. You have to convert a game to an iso, try to rip out the video sequences to make it smaller compress the audio like in Scumm and then compress it. as I recall the decompression wouldn't work on WM5 so you couldn't compress the iso so even a small game took 100 megs. after a while the novelty of showing off psx on my phone wasn't worth the space. Looks like there's a new version so maybe the WM5 issues have been ironed out. I just may try it again.
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wow. i dunno joe (srry for the rhyme). that seems like a lot to me. i have an SNES emulator running and i thnk my largest game is 2.7 mgs lol. BUT you have sparked my curiousty. i thnk ill be a lil busy tomorrow (yes my life is pretty boring at this point lol)

the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.

Avatar28 said:
the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.
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Yea... but im sure there is a big difference between an actual dedicated console and a device running software to emulate the game.
Hell... Nester slows down for me... I actually just found out i have an old version so i take that back.

meh, you must be optimist thinking ,that wizard may do ANYTHING with psx emulation.
keyword:
asus 620bt
current machines are ridiculous comparing to "golden ppc's era" imo.
ridiculous.
Avatar28 said:
the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.
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what's your age...omg.
sad, that when ppc's were machines for people with imagination, things were better.....

Krazy_Calvin said:
Hell... Nester slows down for me... I actually just found out i have an old version so i take that back.
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Instead of PocketNester, take a look at Smartgear. See my related reviews in the General forum.

thunda_chunky said:
i'd try it myself but i dont want my device's processor to explode =/
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You can't deliver ANY kind of damage to your CPU, not even if you massively overclock it.

Well, I really doubt this will work without overclocking your MDA until it burns out so I think I'll let you all try first lol
Heres some videos on youtube of people PPC's with it working, looks too good to be true!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FPSECE&search=Search
Sounds like you just need FPSECE
http://www.fpsece.net/download.htm
And the latest GAPI which i believe is this one below
http://www.wincesoft.de/html/gapi_for_hpc_s.html

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running ps2 emulators on g1 or downloading full movies

Hey ppl well ok I was talking to my friend yesterday and was telling me about he's fone that can run a ps2 emulator or the game itself. And then again this files were downloaded as torrents so yeah and this file are rar/zip .... now my idea is if there was a way to convert rar/zip files into apk format cuz this is pretty we can use on the fone and those jar those other ones .... but yeah that's wat I was think ... aslo for full movies I mean I have full dvd on my microsd but its in parts so yeah ... welll if anyone has something like or idea idl hit me up at [email protected] thanx and yes I'm noob I'm new but I had already 2 G1s both modded rc30 and rc33 1gig lol lates

Hate to burst your bubble, there's no phone out there that I know of that can even remotely run PS2 games... The pandora http://www.openpandora.org Might be able to run ps2 games (at a push), but it takes significantly more processing power to emulate a system (and more RAM)
Not to mention, a ps2 is a strange thing, it has a 128bit processor, the G1 has a 32bit proccessor (to the best of my knowledge), which is why it's hard to emulate a ps2 on a system with a 2.3Ghz processor and 1GB RAM (which is the last machine I ran a ps2 emu on) It would be insanely difficult to write a ps2 program in java, which runs dog slow (In my opinion) compared to C or Assembly.
After doing a little research, looking at the current development cycle, your friend would have some difficulty playing PS1 games on his phone, and currently no ps2 emulators run on ARM architecture (assuming he's using a windows mobile/iPhone/G1) although I'd be interested to know what phone he has to research this further.
The fact that the files were torrents does not change anything (Not to mention it's illegal to download games, whether you own them or not, and making backup copies of them is questionable)
rar and zip are just compression formats, which enable large files to be made smaller. An example, instead of writing out 7777777777 you could say 7(10) which is smaller. That's a very basic understanding (If anyone wants to correct me feel free)
apk is also a type of compression format with other things added onto, it's more like a .deb file for debian or ubuntu (look it up for more info). There would be no way to "Convert" rar or zip to apk so it would work... it'd be asking if there was a way to make a banana into an apple, they're both fruit but that's all they really have in common.
It's completely possible, however to have a full DVD on your microsd if you want to. I use a program called SUPER to convert my videos to a usable format... I don't see any reason for your movie to be in parts on your phone unless again, you downloaded it from a questionable source. I freely admit to converting my DVD's to a format I can use on my phone (namely mp4 for me)
If you want any advice at not being a "noob" then hopefully the following points are useful. Keep in mind that I don't wish to patronise you or make you feel like an idiot (I've seen far worse questions/comments before)
Spelling is key, Take a few minutes to type things out properly, such as phone as apposed to fone, thanks/thanx, people/ppl etc. A lot of people on the internet will refuse to help you, as they (and I) know that "words" such as "ppl, thx, gr8, hya, ty" and suchlike, were invented to shorten text messages, which obviously cost people money. On the internet, there are no such limits, and so that language is considered "lazy". This is not me having a go at you, this is just me stating the facts (you seem like a nice enough person to me)
Also, one of my gripes, is lack of research. Please don't just post on a forum for a question, and especially if you're not willing to hang around/periodically check for answers (hence giving me your email), i'll send you an email containing this exact text anyway.
Anyway, if you managed to read through this epic piece of text, i'll take the time out to compliment a fellow Muse fan on his taste in music (I recognise the two song titles in your username and email)
Sorry I can't be of anymore help

omg someone better sticky this post this is classic !
I must say Obsidiandesire you desire a gold medal for that reply bravo my friend bravo

Hahaha PS2. Let's work on getting SNES or even NES fully working before trying that, okay?

lol this is brilliant

Obsidiandesire said:
Hate to burst your bubble, there's no phone out there that I know of that can even remotely run PS2 games... The pandora http://www.openpandora.org Might be able to run ps2 games (at a push), but it takes significantly more processing power to emulate a system (and more RAM)
Not to mention, a ps2 is a strange thing, it has a 128bit processor, the G1 has a 32bit proccessor (to the best of my knowledge), which is why it's hard to emulate a ps2 on a system with a 2.3Ghz processor and 1GB RAM (which is the last machine I ran a ps2 emu on) It would be insanely difficult to write a ps2 program in java, which runs dog slow (In my opinion) compared to C or Assembly.
After doing a little research, looking at the current development cycle, your friend would have some difficulty playing PS1 games on his phone, and currently no ps2 emulators run on ARM architecture (assuming he's using a windows mobile/iPhone/G1) although I'd be interested to know what phone he has to research this further.
The fact that the files were torrents does not change anything (Not to mention it's illegal to download games, whether you own them or not, and making backup copies of them is questionable)
rar and zip are just compression formats, which enable large files to be made smaller. An example, instead of writing out 7777777777 you could say 7(10) which is smaller. That's a very basic understanding (If anyone wants to correct me feel free)
apk is also a type of compression format with other things added onto, it's more like a .deb file for debian or ubuntu (look it up for more info). There would be no way to "Convert" rar or zip to apk so it would work... it'd be asking if there was a way to make a banana into an apple, they're both fruit but that's all they really have in common.
It's completely possible, however to have a full DVD on your microsd if you want to. I use a program called SUPER to convert my videos to a usable format... I don't see any reason for your movie to be in parts on your phone unless again, you downloaded it from a questionable source. I freely admit to converting my DVD's to a format I can use on my phone (namely mp4 for me)
If you want any advice at not being a "noob" then hopefully the following points are useful. Keep in mind that I don't wish to patronise you or make you feel like an idiot (I've seen far worse questions/comments before)
Spelling is key, Take a few minutes to type things out properly, such as phone as apposed to fone, thanks/thanx, people/ppl etc. A lot of people on the internet will refuse to help you, as they (and I) know that "words" such as "ppl, thx, gr8, hya, ty" and suchlike, were invented to shorten text messages, which obviously cost people money. On the internet, there are no such limits, and so that language is considered "lazy". This is not me having a go at you, this is just me stating the facts (you seem like a nice enough person to me)
Also, one of my gripes, is lack of research. Please don't just post on a forum for a question, and especially if you're not willing to hang around/periodically check for answers (hence giving me your email), i'll send you an email containing this exact text anyway.
Anyway, if you managed to read through this epic piece of text, i'll take the time out to compliment a fellow Muse fan on his taste in music (I recognise the two song titles in your username and email)
Sorry I can't be of anymore help
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*stands up and claps*

There's no way even the Pandora will be able to run a PS2 emulator. PS1/N64 era max, not even Dreamcast. Your friend was lying or mistaken.
Actually, the G1's processor runs about the same speed (clock speed alone) as the PS2's Emotion Engine. You can effectively emulate something when you have efficient code and a speed factor of about 10x.

Obsidiandesire said:
I freely admit to converting my DVD's to a format I can use on my phone (namely mp4 for me)
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I hope you are aware that ripping DVD's from their DVD-Video format into MP4 removes the copy protection on the video, violating the US DMCA 1201.
It is COMPLETELY illegal to rip any newer DVD-Video into any file format (MP4, AVI, et certa). Do not go around shouting about the illegalities of downloading movies when you yourself are in clear violation of US laws.
coolbho3000 said:
Actually, the G1's processor runs about the same speed (clock speed alone) as the PS2's Emotion Engine. You can effectively emulate something when you have efficient code and a speed factor of about 10x.
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Not true. If you're using the exact same processor, or a very close code base, you can get pretty nice speeds.
As an example, let's take the Playstation Portable. It runs a 333 MHz MIPS CPU. The SNES runs a 3.58 MHz Ricoh 5A22 (16 bit, ewww). The N64 runs a 93.75 MHz NEC VR4300.
Now, it only makes sense that the PSP could emulate the SNES faster than the N64, right? Wrong. The N64's CPU uses an assembly language very close to what the PSP uses, making it much easier and more efficient to write an emulator for it.
According to you, you'd need a 900MHz-1GHz CPU to emulate the N64. The PSP was doing it at 222MHz with 30 FPS.
CPU type matters a ton more than clock speed.

As said earlier by obsidiandesire there is no possible way to play any ps2/3 or xbox/360 games at full speed or with the best graphics so it is impossible and therefore him not knowing what he was talking about. Even if he does have a ps2 game on his phone then it's completely useless as anything other than that.Take the quake proof of concept video for the g1, watch it, and read all about what was really done to actually get it to play. But in lamens terms it was basically the g1 without any software on it or anything else that takes up memory or ram. Have you even seen him supposedly play it. even if you did did you make sure that it wasn't just a video he was watching and had memorized the correct movements to fool you into thinking he was.
You should come back with a clear video of it running and post it for everybody to see and step by step instructions on how he did it in exact details with screen shot.
Since you're a noob i'll give you a small piece of advice. Don't come onto a website for tech people and start talking all that bull without the evidence to back you up.

As said earlier by obsidiandesire there is no possible way to play any ps2/3 or xbox/360 games at full speed or with the best graphics so it is impossible and therefore him not knowing what he was talking about. Even if he does have a ps2 game on his phone then it's completely useless as anything other than that.Take the quake proof of concept video for the g1, watch it, and read all about what was really done to actually get it to play. But in lamens terms it was basically the g1 without any software on it or anything else that takes up memory or ram. Have you even seen him supposedly play it. even if you did did you make sure that it wasn't just a video he was watching and had memorized the correct movements to fool you into thinking he was.
You should come back with a clear video of it running and post it for everybody to see and step by step instructions on how he did it in exact details with screen shot.
Since you're a noob i'll give you a small piece of advice. Don't come onto a website for tech people and start talking all that bull without the evidence to back you up.

I really don't think he will be back y'all ripped him up and down..lolbut movies on my g1...sounds pretty cool time to start my reasearch( I too consider my slef kinda noobish so plz I mean please)

I give a couple of years max, maybe sooner if Nvidia Tegra is released anyime soon =]
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_tegra_apx_us.html
*note that NVIDIA is part of the OHA alliance. And here is a snippit from the above link:
NVIDIA Tegra APX Series
Enabling a compelling user interface and high-definition video playback for the ultimate low-power, visual experience, the NVIDIA® Tegra™ APX 2600 and 2500 applications processors are the key to building next-generation Microsoft Windows Mobile, Windows CE, and Android-based devices, including smartphones, portable navigation devices (PNDs), and portable media players (PMPs).

I got a friend who knows this guy thats dating his sisters ex sister n law who saw some lod over in China playing Gears of War 2 with a PS3 controller on the Google G2 cell phone!! If the G2 can do it, why couldnt the G1 play PS2 roms? /sarcasm end/

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Well yeah true thanx for the lesseon its awsome to something new everyday and sorry if in my last post I offened someone but I never do only if I do .. back to the subject umm well I got a message and my friend told me he did on the NOKIA N71 idk if he hacked it but yeah that's what he told me and he a nice guy and I told him if he can get some screens shots or a video of it and and that's what he told me I took he's word that's all ... and **** yeah muse ****ing rocks lol my fav band and I'm a mexican myself in amerika .. and yeah I came to this site to get answer not get e-bullied or whatever .. call me whatver u want it dosent hurt me its just words and yes I admit I'm a NOOB. Idc and yes ill try ASAP in here and I can just email as soon my friends gets at me and. Yes I post my email to see or hear sum fast questions that's all I'm a member so that's why I'm here ?? Right ?? And yup I'm a friendly guy that's all lol but hit me up if u wanna chat or whatever peace tech friends. Thanx for the re

Gary13579 said:
I hope you are aware that ripping DVD's from their DVD-Video format into MP4 removes the copy protection on the video, violating the US DMCA 1201.
It is COMPLETELY illegal to rip any newer DVD-Video into any file format (MP4, AVI, et certa). Do not go around shouting about the illegalities of downloading movies when you yourself are in clear violation of US laws.
If your making a back up of your own dvd's is ok as long as you dont distribute is ok to do with your dvd as you like but as long as you have the dvd it self. Unlike me that i have seven pounds, bejamin button, valkyrie on my phone now that is illegal cause i dont own the dvds yet.
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In my personal experience, at least over here in the UK (Where laws are different to begin with) then while it may be illegal to make backups of movies you own, it's never considered much worse than say not indicating at a junction, unless you start giving other people the movies etc.
Thanks for all the great comments though!
As a previous owner of an N71, which runs symbian on a fairly slow processor, then I can tell you for a fact that it's bull. I'm sorry but that's just the truth. I don't mean to bully you in any way although as I said in my previous post, because of the way you say things, make no effort in your next post (even though i gave you very clear advice) you'll probably get it worse now.
Just for a little information, I remember on a PSP forum, somebody asked for a PS2 emulator for the PSP, it was revealed that Sony's emotion CPU runs just a tad slower than the PSP (I think it's 299Mhz on newer models), with the Graphics chip at 140Mhz. The PSP uses a (32bit?) processor at 333Mhz, the G1 has an ARM9 Processor at 520Mhz (Clocked at 300 something for various reasons)
All 3 are different architectures and probably fairly different assembly code.
As a final note, I "Stumbled" accross this whilst writing this post, thought it'd be a fair (serious) thing to point out to our fellow Muse fan.
Clicky Clicky
It's even Microsoft certified (which is Ironic, considering I'm posting this on a Kubuntu box)
Once again, the comments are much appreciated!

sethrd said:
You sir, are my hero. Where do you live, because I want to buy you a beer.
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Unfortunately my friend, I live across the water in the UK
I may buy myself a beer on your behalf... If I was of legal age (Just 11 more months)
I'll take a swig of coke/coffee for you though XD

OK ps2 emu was funny, dual core PC's cant play ps2 games all that well.
As for "full movies" I was thinking have an andoid appp that contains mplayer (since mplayer seems to work fine in debian/vncserver) it would offer the largest amount of file formats anyway

X1 slow strategus

X1 one with it's GPU and CPU .. it cant even handle this..
it is slow and i am ashamed

OMG People!!!
Will you stop whining for once in your life time?
When will you get that if the application hasn't been custom made for the X1 (in order to use the GPU acceleration features be it 2D/3D) IT WILL RUN SLOWLY.
Take Xtrakt for example...does that move slowly to you? And it's 3D!! WHY, because it uses the hardware acceleration provided by the GPU.
Jeez...

A bit harsh
but needed to be said
I also have done my fair share of moaning but i will not let go of my X1

But the interesting part is that Warcraft II runs smoothly and fast on a Touch HD, maybe we have some bad settings somewhere...

warcraft 2 runs fine on the x1 too, i have been playing it for a while now

I have it installed as well btw. It is running a bit slow but nonetheless i spent an hour playing until those BASTARDS destroyed me!
@leobox1 : Hope you didn't take it personally. I just got sick and tired of reading threads where people blame the hardware where no software optimization was done to use it at full potential.

stormlv said:
I have it installed as well btw. It is running a bit slow but nonetheless i spent an hour playing until those BASTARDS destroyed me!
@leobox1 : Hope you didn't take it personally. I just got sick and tired of reading threads where people blame the hardware where no software optimization was done to use it at full potential.
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no offense.. i just cant see why a 500+ mhz cpu is so slow.. mine is laggy

flext said:
warcraft 2 runs fine on the x1 too, i have been playing it for a while now
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Can you share your game folder with us? Just zip or rar it and put it on a filesharing site, eg. http://fisier.ro/
Or did you just download it from here and it already worked fast?? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=495136
Mine is not lagging, I can scroll on the minimap very fast and smooth, but building something or waiting for peasants to mine takes ages. The speed slider is at max.

Then set the game speed faster?...

Even with fastest speed set, it still runs very slow. And if it's true that it works fast under Touch HD, than we could expect speedups for X1 too.
I don't think it's X1's fault, but more of a bad optimization of the specific software.

fastest for me still slow.. even menus are slow.. its like you have to press "specially" hard

Try the new version - the menus are faster.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3548425

a "gpu" well more like so and so video acceleration that x1 have is
not something programs automatically take advantage of
if the program is just written for pure software render by the cpu
you can have a nvidia onboard magic 8800 and it will still be dormant

Totally agree with the mod.

Rudegar said:
a "gpu" well more like so and so video acceleration that x1 have is
not something programs automatically take advantage of
if the program is just written for pure software render by the cpu
you can have a nvidia onboard magic 8800 and it will still be dormant
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true true.. just that x1 has a 528mhz cpu !!

Games on the HD2

A key feature that I'm hoping the HD2 does well is emulation. Running morphgear on my Touch HD worked alright. You couldn't really get audio to sync or work right and framerate wasn't that great either. Now with the HD2 you got multitouch support and better hardware, so it should be an awesome experience. Has anybody tried running any emulation apps on the HD2 yet?
Also the TG01 plays PSX games flawlessly check out these links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9qAB7ADB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2e1Mep2b0
Anybody test this out on the HD2?
I dream of being able to play PSP games on the HD2

FpSECE should run like a charm on this monster (also without any bluetooth gamepad due the enourmous screen size). I think there are going to be alot of capacitive-scree-like-games for windows mobile now also. Pfff can.t wait to get my hands on this baby )

snowblindd said:
FpSECE should run like a charm on this monster (also without any bluetooth gamepad due the enourmous screen size). I think there are going to be alot of capacitive-scree-like-games for windows mobile now also. Pfff can.t wait to get my hands on this baby )
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If you think that most of developers are going to make capacitive-like-games for windows mobile when only one device support it instead of putting their efforts on games for the iphone and android, you are going crazy.

^^ Second that! Don't keep your hopes up for any Multitouch based games for atleast another year.
Windows Mobile 7 might change that. But till then, its no use dreaming

I remember when xtract (or whatever it was called was released), this was such a fantastic game and showed what could be possible on the WM platform.
sadly, the popularity of the iphone means that most developers are working on apps for that phone instead. The main reason behind this is that every developer knows almost exactly what he will have to work with on an iphone. With WM there are too many variations of screen resolution to consider, memory restrictions etc
in addition, the relatively high cost of apps on WM (compared to the thousands of 0.59p for iphone)means that they don't sell quite so many and the demand isn't there.
it's sad, but this is perhaps the reason that WM is dying as a platform.
I saw an article the other day that said that itunes had hit the 100,000 mark for apps. I think that's an increase of about 25,000 apps in a single year. WM cannot even get close to that figure..

Well, out of those 100,000 apps 99,900 are useless fart apps and such, not the kind of games we are talking about here. App Store allows you to sell whatever you want and since there's no return policy you can have people paying for your app, no matter if it is good or not.
This is not to say there are no great games for the iPhone of course! Yet the mere number of apps there isn't really an indicator of quality.

you're right ( I question your accuracy though )
but the point is, that people are spending time creating 'useless' apps for the iphone....very few people are creating anything for WM

twisted-pixel said:
it's sad, but this is perhaps the reason that WM is dying as a platform.
I saw an article the other day that said that itunes had hit the 100,000 mark for apps. I think that's an increase of about 25,000 apps in a single year. WM cannot even get close to that figure..
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I think we do need to make some difference between a big number, and quality programs... How many programs are not just total useless "fart" and other idiotic crap programs.
Its easy to claim that they have 100.000 programs, when most are close to useless.
SnooPPP:
You forgot to post a more recent one. This one showes the touchscreen in action on the TG01, with the overlay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHCQiT6e54
Its actually kinda playable just using a Single Touch Resistive screen.
A quick look at the forum of the FpseCE emulator shows that people are interested in the HD2.
People here question if its useful for developers to create games for a single platform. But, the specs for WM7 are know. They know that every device in the future will have at minimum, the same specs as the HTC HD2, to be compatible with the WM7 OS. So, for many developers the HTC HD2 will probable be a nice development / testing platform for the future.
Also, when looking at the PSX emulator, that now on a Snapdragon can play about every PSX game... This is a game library of? How many hundred games? Including hits like FF7, etc ...
What about the N64 emulator that they are porting for the openPandora project, on a TI OMAP 3430? When the source is released and recompiled for WM, you can expect to also that game library...

This is what im really excited about, FpSECE on the HD2 will be amazing, it just needs either multitouch support or we need a controller we can use with the HD2.

twisted-pixel said:
but the point is, that people are spending time creating 'useless' apps for the iphone....very few people are creating anything for WM
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Well, why wouldn't they spend time? If you put a fart app in App Store, chances are, somebody will pay for it by mistake, and won't be able to claim money back.

loomx said:
This is what im really excited about, FpSECE on the HD2 will be amazing, it just needs either multitouch support or we need a controller we can use with the HD2.
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In fpsece 0.1 there are overlays so no need for a controller(and it supports multitouch if I recall correctly).

Meh, regarding an entertainment perspective, I never really understood why games should be on phones. Sure the usual, patience or bubble breaker is nice, but if you really want to play games, I suggest getting an xbox360 or ps3, it's what I use mine for anyway.

KrewCial said:
Meh, regarding an entertainment perspective, I never really understood why games should be on phones. Sure the usual, patience or bubble breaker is nice, but if you really want to play games, I suggest getting an xbox360 or ps3, it's what I use mine for anyway.
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You don't travel much, do you?

PSP then?

KrewCial said:
PSP then?
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Carrying around two devices is just too inconvenient.

Could the HD2 even handle PSP Game's graphics??

Toss3 said:
Carrying around two devices is just too inconvenient.
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Meh, when I travel, I don't mind carrying another device with me. Playing games on your phone only drains the battery even more, leaving less juice to make business calls.

KrewCial said:
Meh, when I travel, I don't mind carrying another device with me.
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That's a bit like arguing that there's no point in putting a camera into a phone because, when you travel, you don't mind taking a camera with you. That may be true as far as it goes; but having a camera in your phone becomes useful in situations where you didn't know in advance that you were going to need a camera and then suddenly realise that you do - conveniently, you just happen to have one with you because it's built into a device that you automatically carry with you at all times. The same applies to gaming on a phone: it's useful in situations where you didn't know in advance that you were going to want a gaming device.
You also have to ask: even if you are willing to pack a separate portable console, are you willing to pack a portable games console, a phone, an MP3 player, a mobile web browsing device, a mobile email terminal, a dedicated satnav device, and a portable video player? That's quite a lot to fit in your trouser pockets. There's a lot to be said for combining multiple devices into the same box.

Shasarak said:
are you willing to pack a portable games console, a phone, an MP3 player, a mobile web browsing device, a mobile email terminal, a dedicated satnav device, and a portable video player? That's quite a lot to fit in your trouser pockets.
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You forgot to mention all the chargers too

It's not like chargers take that much space... it's just one small bag. Besides, nowadays there are these universal extensions and what not if I'm correct if you really mind taking multiple chargers with you. Furthermore, if you have one device which you use for everything, you're gonna need to charge it more often, while this is not the case when using multiple devices, just to make clear that having an all-in-one device is not as heavenly as it might seem (or you're gonna have to take ALL those multiple batteries with you ).
Also, comparing taking a picture and gaming with and on a phone is not entirely just, because when one wants to game, he/she has to sit down and put time into gaming, while taking a snapshot is almost instant. What I'm trying to say is that when someone is playing a full blown 3D game (which is what is actually discussed here instead of patience, minesweeper or whatever), that person wants to put in time to focus on the game. In this case it's much better to use a dedicated device and not some emulator on a phone to play ps1 games while draining your battery life. And yes, if someone wants to take beautiful high resolution pictures, that person will take a quality camera with him/her.
Eventually it all comes down to preference I guess...

DosBox

Anyone got a version of dosbox that works on the hd2?

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Anyone got a version of dosbox that works on the hd2?
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would be possible, not to hard, but we have to make a control scheme for every game apart.
Commander keen, biomenace and c&c on HD2 would be awesome.

Descent 3 using the G sensor would be awesome - lots more potential with dosbox and its like than with console emulators.

xedahh said:
Descent 3 using the G sensor would be awesome - lots more potential with dosbox and its like than with console emulators.
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problem is still that so few good developers are interested in windows mobile...
It would be super...but there's not a big chance we will have a dev that will work on this.
Cant hurt to ask but i doubt they even wanna reply to this thread.

I use dosbox on my pc to run wolfenstein 3d and quake. If your interested in running wolf3d on your HD2 then check THIS out, I havent got it working yet, (not that Ive tried much) but you might, Im not sure if its designed for wvga devices as I can get it running, but it doesnt fill up the whole screen so i keep cliking the manila soft keys
Sorry, went a little off topic there

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would be possible, not to hard, but we have to make a control scheme for every game apart.
Commander keen, biomenace and c&c on HD2 would be awesome.
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This sounds good, when we can expect your fingerfriendly version of DosBox ?
Here a Pocket PC port.

AnnaW said:
This sounds good, when we can expect your fingerfriendly version of DosBox ?
Here a Pocket PC port.
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i'd be happy to make control schemes, but someone with photoshop skills should fill the buttons i will make in MS paint
First we need that port to support multitouch screens and cotrol schemes.
If that port works and is not fake, then it would be a piece of cake for the developer to add this.
I cant code that launguage however, but have enough knowledge if things in coding terms are easy or not.
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Wait...can someone try the DOSBox PPC toolbar editor...maby it is for mapping keys to the touchscreen...
But it would still be hard without transparant buttons.
Would be awesome to have a functional dosbox on the HD2. the processor of the device should have enough power to handle all retro games.
if you guys can try commander keen 4 on your HD2 and it works, let me know. i will map the rest of all schemes because im a huge fan of dosbox.
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I do think its for the lower part of the screen for touch controls. someone would have to try the port though.

I do have photoshop and fireworks but don't seem to be able to bring any alpha channels into the tool - I have a test RGBA png file attached in case anyone can figure it out.
Probably more to the point - this PPC port of dosbox does not support wvga, not even sure if it supports vga, maybe we're barking up the wrong tree?

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I do have photoshop and fireworks but don't seem to be able to bring any alpha channels into the tool - I have a test RGBA png file attached in case anyone can figure it out.
Probably more to the point - this PPC port of dosbox does not support wvga, not even sure if it supports vga, maybe we're barking up the wrong tree?
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time to contact the creator i guess. lets hope he's still interested.

who is the lead dev for the dosbox port?
are they still developing?

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who is the lead dev for the dosbox port?
are they still developing?
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Dont know and i dont know. Pressing the "help me" links gives you a mail adress though. Try to use that.

Well I thought I'd post about my success in getting some dos games running on the Leo. Personally, I'm far more interested in running dos games than console games, so I hope others will join in and share their experiences here also so we can get a bit of momentum going.
First impressions were that it was a bit of a mixed bag. There is not a clear winner in term of dos emulation for the Leo in terms of taking advantage of the screen resolution, cpu and achieving broad game compatibility.
Speaking generally, n0p's port has the most attention on XDA as far as I can see, and perhaps rightly so in terms of the kernel, but I think the praise is overdone where the Leo is concerned as it is a very awkward experience using it on the Leo. Even with the 0.73 version, the lack of WVGA support means that we're stuck with big piece of unused screen realestate and a tiny, horrible keyboard overlay at the bottom that is barely usable. PocketDos has a much better UI in that regard, with the option of using your own pim, although it doesn't run the more sophisticated/demanding games as well as DosBox.
Betrayal at Krondor
I got BAK working, albeit slowly, on N0p's port. The speed is reasonable -- much better than the Symbian DoxBox port I was running on
my E71. Audio in particular is much closer to what it should be. It still judders enough to be annoying instead of easy listening, but it's close enough that I wonder whether smaller memory optimisations or tweaks might make it work properly. The lack of WVGA resolution really hurts in combat though, because hitting the right grid square is pretty hard and makes it a bit of a chore to play. At least when adventuring you can use the stick-to-road button to travel easily about Midkemia. Not sure how to right-click consistently either.
I couldn't get BaK to run on Pocket Dos, although I suspect it might work with different memory settings. From what I recall, it needed a healthy EMS allocation to work back in the day.
Jones in the Fast Lane
With Jones, it's the opposite to BaK. It really struggles on N0p's port but absolutely flies on Pocket Dos. It's actually perfect (although I had sound down so can't comment on audio). The ability to resize the screen and change to landscape makes it a wonderful experience.
N0p's port can run Jones but only barely - the cursor is bugged with the touchscreen so that you can't select anything on the right-hand-side of the screen and it's also nowhere near as fast or smooth as on Pocket Dos. Don't know why it struggles so much as it isn't a very demanding game.
UFO
Given the lack of a WVGAFix for WM6.5, Pocket UFO won't work on the Leo and we're stuck with running UFO on dos. Here, n0p's port is the best. It's fairly playable although, again, surprising slow. Unfortunately Pocket Dos wouldn't load it properly.
Here's a list of games I intend to try in the near future:
Space Quest series
Police Quest series
Heroes Quest series
Dune 2
Syndicate

As far as I can understand there is no properly working dosbox for Leo.
I wish I can play Commander Keen. That's my favorite dos game. I guess we can only hope that someone will port a proper dosbox version to the Leo.

Any updates or so for Dos games to play on the HD2 yet? I know id love this as well. =)

I have been interested in the HD2, but I've been curious about Dos emulation. I don't own any WP devices at the moment.
I realize this thread is a few years old, but are there any updates since this last post?

FPSECE .10 released

Thats effing right, im messin with it right meow and it looks like a big up over .96
See what settings you guys can come up with for peak performance. Its a little tricky to config at 1st but it just played the final fantasy 7 intro perfectly.

Nix that, it seems to have a lot of trouble emulating the audio in both the cgi cut scenes and in game midi etc, cant find a config that it likes, any ideas?

Try the ini that Mastanobu posted in that thread. I think thats the best performance you'll ever get with the TP2. But sorry to say... probably with sound off. Our TP2 cant handle that much of emulation...
http://www.fpsece.net/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=365&sid=0646a56f88a6e83d3b86a3f70c79062a

Nooo way!! It perfectly emu's the in game and cgi!! I THINK the prob is pocket iso isnt detecting the xa streams to rip to mp3. all the other threads talk about using pockey iso to rip the xa's so our ppc can emu. them as mp3's, i think the prob is that midi is decoded at a much higher bit rate than mp3. theres gotta be a solution

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