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PSX Emulator for PPC???

if you dont knnow what im talking about check it here: http://www.pocketpcaddict.com/forums/gaming/17936-playstation-emulator.html
i just wanna know if anyone can (or is willing to) stand behind this thing bcuz knowing what a PSX's minimun specs are for a PC ijust dont see how this coould work on a PPC. i'd try it myself but i dont want my device's processor to explode =/

I had this set up on my wizard a while back. it's a pain to set up, take huge amounts of memory, and runs slow, but it DOES work. You have to convert a game to an iso, try to rip out the video sequences to make it smaller compress the audio like in Scumm and then compress it. as I recall the decompression wouldn't work on WM5 so you couldn't compress the iso so even a small game took 100 megs. after a while the novelty of showing off psx on my phone wasn't worth the space. Looks like there's a new version so maybe the WM5 issues have been ironed out. I just may try it again.

joemanb said:
I had this set up on my wizard a while back. it's a pain to set up, take huge amounts of memory, and runs slow, but it DOES work. You have to convert a game to an iso, try to rip out the video sequences to make it smaller compress the audio like in Scumm and then compress it. as I recall the decompression wouldn't work on WM5 so you couldn't compress the iso so even a small game took 100 megs. after a while the novelty of showing off psx on my phone wasn't worth the space. Looks like there's a new version so maybe the WM5 issues have been ironed out. I just may try it again.
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wow. i dunno joe (srry for the rhyme). that seems like a lot to me. i have an SNES emulator running and i thnk my largest game is 2.7 mgs lol. BUT you have sparked my curiousty. i thnk ill be a lil busy tomorrow (yes my life is pretty boring at this point lol)

the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.

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the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.
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Yea... but im sure there is a big difference between an actual dedicated console and a device running software to emulate the game.
Hell... Nester slows down for me... I actually just found out i have an old version so i take that back.

meh, you must be optimist thinking ,that wizard may do ANYTHING with psx emulation.
keyword:
asus 620bt
current machines are ridiculous comparing to "golden ppc's era" imo.
ridiculous.
Avatar28 said:
the original playstation only ran at 33 MHz so it is possible to emulate on a PPC device.
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what's your age...omg.
sad, that when ppc's were machines for people with imagination, things were better.....

Krazy_Calvin said:
Hell... Nester slows down for me... I actually just found out i have an old version so i take that back.
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Instead of PocketNester, take a look at Smartgear. See my related reviews in the General forum.

thunda_chunky said:
i'd try it myself but i dont want my device's processor to explode =/
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You can't deliver ANY kind of damage to your CPU, not even if you massively overclock it.

Well, I really doubt this will work without overclocking your MDA until it burns out so I think I'll let you all try first lol
Heres some videos on youtube of people PPC's with it working, looks too good to be true!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FPSECE&search=Search
Sounds like you just need FPSECE
http://www.fpsece.net/download.htm
And the latest GAPI which i believe is this one below
http://www.wincesoft.de/html/gapi_for_hpc_s.html

something is seriously wrong with the performance of the xperia

i sure hope these get fixed in the coming months by our devs and cooks
i just got a chance to play with an old ATOM EXEC (64mb,qvga,520mhz.no 3g...etc). i was amazed on how much faster and snappier the device. i know that the screen has one fifth the pixels, but not everything is depending on graphics. here are some things i noticed ive grouped them into 5 differnt "benchmark classes
1- anything with any graphics effects(non 3d) like scrolling rotating...etc is infinitely smoother and cooler despite the lower resolution and crappier image quality. pointUI2 was a solid50fps vs only ~20fps on x1, fingermenu 1.10 was about 15-20fps vs only about 5fps, miniflow was about 30 fps vs an unusable ~5-6fps. zooming and panning with htc image viewer was butter smooth unlike the "good enough" on the x1. scrolling and navigating in UCweb feels a lot smoother on the atom
2-opening the windows directory takes about 1.5 seconds vs 4-5 seconds on my itje's 3.5rc1(one of the fastest roms i have tested. cold booting takes about half the time but thats to be expected due to the smaller windows folder.
3-opening demo PocketArtist is 6 seconds vs 8 on x1.
4-youtube videos using the application @normal quality setting does not lag at all. on my x1 it does sometimes when it is viewing while its finishing the download over wifi. m2d was not as good looking as tf3d but its so much smoother
5-navigating various parts of the OS (for example jumping from programs to settings-> clock-> connections - activesync- connections...etc) was just noticeably snappier on the EXEC. switching to landscape was faster on the X1 though
while the experience of the x1 is clearly better due to the screen,resolution,other phone features and all, i just cant but feel extremely disappointed with how things currently are especially the first observation.
I'm really interested in our cooks opinion on how performance may end up being improved in a major way in the coming few months in any of the above situations. I'm obviously interested in the first point as its very easy to notice compared to the other points. can we expect something worthwhile in terms of performance in wm6.5

btw i also tested a cooked dutty v4 htc diamond and i dont think the diamond was much better than the x1 in the performance.

I don't know if your x1 is customised or what, but so far my take is the X1 is the fastest winmo phones I ever own in the last few years, considering those I have owned include both smartphone and professional, wm5 and wm6 (touch pro, samsung i780, omnia, treo 500v, moto q9h, etc)

that reply was more fanboish than i would like it to be . i think the X1 (despite some problems) is the best htc phone made. but current generation QC-based phones (x1,tpro,hd and diamond) seem to be suffering from a performance problem and im not sure whats at blame.
are you noticing better performance than me?????? im using itje 3.5rc1
1- anything with any graphics effects(non 3d) like scrolling rotating...etc is infinitely smoother and cooler despite the lower resolution and crappier image quality. pointUI2 was a solid50fps vs only ~20fps on x1, fingermenu 1.10 was about 15-20fps vs only about 5fps, miniflow was about 30 fps vs an unusable ~5-6fps. zooming and panning with htc image viewer was butter smooth unlike the "good enough" on the x1. scrolling and navigating in UCweb feels a lot smoother on the atom
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na....im totalli with you that ATOM EXEC is way faster than X1. no doubt. my frnd got an atom. but u hav 2 consider this
1. x1 resoution is 5times more as you said. thats like going from 800x600 resolution to 1920x1250. dats a HUGE jump and just imagine if just a ram and cpu upgrade is enogh to handle that kind of load.
2. also, i noticed that you r running tf3d. now installing that copies bout 1400 files into your windows folder. dat will take time.
3 .i don agree with apps running faster. youtube or PocketArtist, both run lot faster on x1.
4. navigation (for example jumping from programs to settings-> clock-> connections - activesync- connections...etc) is faster because, there are more things installed in you x1 than in your atom. also dont forget the fact that atom runs on lower resolution. a QVGA app that takes 200KB of RAM might take upto 2MB of ram when converted to WVGA.

im not the best guy to understand the problem and the solution but if i were to guess it could be one or more of the following :
1- very slow performing on-board flash memory 2-unoptimised code in apps for w/vga
3- used 528mhz cpu is not fast enough
4-none of the common apps i mentioned makes use of the hardware(which means that they will be slow even on tegra + 1ghz cpus
5-HTC/SE made a bad design by putting slow cpu/graphics on a WVGA screen. they are biting more than what they can chew
as mentioned earlier. can we realistically expect a major change in performance if the cooks and devs here focus their effort on improving this

THE GRIZZ said:
im not the best guy to understand the problem and the solution but if i were to guess it could be one or more of the following :
1- very slow performing on-board flash memory 2-unoptimised code in apps for w/vga
3- used 528mhz cpu is not fast enough
4-none of the common apps i mentioned makes use of the hardware(which means that they will be slow even on tegra + 1ghz cpus
5-HTC/SE made a bad design by putting slow cpu/graphics on a WVGA screen. they are biting more than what they can chew
as mentioned earlier. can we realistically expect a major change in performance if the cooks and devs here focus their effort on improving this
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well first thing as mention your running TF3d and that take up alot of the speed on your x1 i did reinstall of my phone to the newest orginal rom from se without any kind of tf3d and gotta say my phone was twice as fast when it had tf3d on it..also most of todays apps are not optimized for the newest phones out on the marked second try some real test with some games (eks Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 - Call of Duty 2 -) (convert some mp3s or videos on the phone) Test with some emulators like fpsece - pocketsnes - picodrive then you will hopefully see what your x1 is good for

i noticed when i have lot of apps open ..the phone becomes slow..and simple functions such as opening Menu's takes more than 1 second.
so when this happens.,..i use the 'FreeRam' of SKTools...and clear up everything.
then it becomes fast as before.

lets not get sidetracked from the main issue that our x1(HD,tpro,diamond also) performs quite badly in certain 2D graphics applications as i mentioned in the first post. can the graphics accelerator on our x1 be used to accelerate.
the iphone had a 400mhz CPU with no graphics acceleration and half the memory and the interface of all its apps looks slick, smooth and cool. if the iphone can do this with its hardware, how come our phone cant. i think there is more to this then the resolution

THE GRIZZ said:
lets not get sidetracked from the main issue that our x1(HD,tpro,diamond also) performs quite badly in certain 2D graphics applications as i mentioned in the first post. can the graphics accelerator on our x1 be used to accelerate.
the iphone had a 400mhz CPU with no graphics acceleration and half the memory and the interface of all its apps looks slick, smooth and cool. if the iphone can do this with its hardware, how come our phone cant. i think there is more to this then the resolution
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One of the major problems here is windows mobile. It's just a mess.
Another is the resolution. Even on 2d, it makes a hell lot of difference. There's like ... 500% more pixels, with only 50% more performance.

THE GRIZZ said:
lets not get sidetracked from the main issue that our x1(HD,tpro,diamond also) performs quite badly in certain 2D graphics applications as i mentioned in the first post. can the graphics accelerator on our x1 be used to accelerate.
the iphone had a 400mhz CPU with no graphics acceleration and half the memory and the interface of all its apps looks slick, smooth and cool. if the iphone can do this with its hardware, how come our phone cant. i think there is more to this then the resolution
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If you did look around in XDA, you should know that Qualcomm's CPU is well known for it poor performance (especially for 2D/3D). X1/HD is already the best you can get compare to Kaiser but still far left behind PDA w/ Intel Xscale CPU. See for yourself for Diamond vs. Asus P565 (the current performance king):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYimU-VHM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCI6JyfmuPU&feature=related
Since it's bascially a hardware issue, there is not much we can do on it performance side. But X1 still my best one I can get base on it's overall features (3.5mm audio, USB 2.0, WVGA, UTMS w/ US's 850/1900), build quality, form factor, and of course it's look.
iPhone? It does have PowerVR chipset for graphic acceleration. And it's simply a joke for this date if I have to give up multi-tasking (for all 3rd party apps) for it's smooth and cool factor. My X1 is a workhorse and I want it to run IGo8 w/ Coreplayer player over A2DP/AVRCP concurrently.

Resolution does indeed play a big role. When I launch a program that needs WGAFIXv3 running, i notice how the framerate is practically doubled....
Hopefully Windows Mobile 6.5 will do justice just as Windows 7 is doing TREMENDOUS justice in terms of speed/performance. I finally appreciate the direction Microsoft is taking. It seems that ever since the introduction of Windows Media Player 7 (all versions up to 6 loaded in a SNAP and then 7 and up started taking forever to open unless you upgrade to the latest/fastest PC), back in the day, Microsoft's norm was to build more and more bulkier mega-code-loading software and this rubbed off on the mobile side of things too. Even SQL Server Express 2005 takes sooooooo long to load on PC's. Everything of theirs needed soooo much disk access to open up until Windows 7 came along.
So yeah I'm hoping a slimlined approach on the mobile platform will redeem the Windows Mobile brand

Diamond vs. Asus P565 (the current performance king):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYi...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCI6J...eature=related
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these things in the video are very CPU intensive stuff. the stuff im complaining about is far simpler stuff
i am talking about simple none 2d graphics intensive image scrolling and simple dialog boxes movements. surly this stuff is not that hard to handle. decoding mpeg4 video at full screen is surly FAAAAAR more work and yet the x1 does an OK job hadling it. choking at something like displaying dialog boxes, schrolling screen full of text, handling menu selections...etc fingermenu,ucweb, miniflow, album, s2v are hardly graphics intensive stuff
question: is anyone noticing much better results then mine on a lite or even naked ROM
anything with any graphics effects(non 3d) like scrolling rotating...etc is infinitely smoother and cooler despite the lower resolution and crappier image quality. pointUI2 was a solid50fps vs only ~20fps on x1, fingermenu 1.10 was about 15-20fps vs only about 5fps, miniflow was about 30 fps vs an unusable ~5-6fps. zooming and panning with htc image viewer was butter smooth unlike the "good enough" on the x1. scrolling and navigating in UCweb feels a lot smoother on the atom
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I have replied to your post on the Turbo X1 thread, there are some answers, but maybe not the magic bullet you and I have been both looking for.

after messing around to get speedbooster to work. i managed assign higher priority to some of the apps that are suffering. its giving some worthwhile enhancements nothing major though.
im begening to think that the only way we can get get improved performance and iphone-like "experiance" is for all the software need to be re-written to use the graphics hardware of the QC chipset. that does not look very likely even on future software since the majority of the avalable phones dont have it. writing software for wm requires it to be written for the lowest common denomiator hardware.
software for LCD hardware will continue to make WM software a bit ugly for a very long time indeed

I am quite mystified by threads such as these but I put it down to two things... 1, I am not such an intense nor knowledgable user as the OP of the thread and 2, I dont use my phone in the same way or do not expect it to be used as I would my laptop or have the same level of software as the OP of the thread...
TBH I have been amazed by the capability of this phone and am pleasantly surprised time and again by its speed, functionality and performance... most of my programs are up and running in incredibly short order, I can access menus and the like almost instantaneously and even the windows folder (previously the worst folder to access using file explorer time wise) is much faster now when I open it... (I have upgraded to the R2A ROM and its much much better)... I find that videos are very watchable and play with no lag and the audio/video in sync... overall its exactly what it says on the tin in my ever so humble experience... although in my own admission I am not very savvy when it comes to these things so perhaps I am misunderstanding the fact that it is supposed to be as fast and capable as my laptop...

even the new generation htc phones (diamond2, touchpro2 )are using the same QC msm7200a present in all common WM w/vga phones http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/specification.html .
i think its about time software development should focused on creeating two versions of the same software
-qvga for compatibility with any phohe (including non graphics accelerated vga phones)
-w/vga version with hardware acceleration since all htcphones released since the kiaser use it

Shadowdh, i think the x1 is the best htc-made phone ever. but i dont understand why many people(you included) are ignoring (or not noticing) the fact that its quite slow in certain aspects that i have highlighted in the first post

THE GRIZZ said:
Shadowdh, i think the x1 is the best htc-made phone ever. but i dont understand why many people(you included) are ignoring (or not noticing) the fact that its quite slow in certain aspects that i have highlighted in the first post
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The Grizz,
I believe it's similar to the whole issue of being able to notice "ghosting" on LCD screens. I personally know what it is, but yet I don't care enough to want to bother about it. For others, some people may not know what ghosting is until you show it to them and once you have "opened their eyes", they irrevocably develop the habit of constantly taking note as it happens on their screens.
And I believe this is ultimately the same issue with the issues you describe. Some people are just really content and amazed with the fact that such a small little bugger can still pack a punch. Sure, it'll slip up once or there, but for the most part, people are happy with what they've spent on the phone.
My 3 cents,
Cheers.

THE GRIZZ said:
1- very slow performing on-board flash memory
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Maybe the SD card tuneup could help you speeding up the off-board flash memory goving you more speed from SDHC then internal flash...
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3- used 528mhz cpu is not fast enough
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One of the basic science rules is: if you gain on one thing you have to give in on other things.
Higher speed means higher power consumption. In time a higher speed will be possible with the same power consumption because the cpu size becomes smaller. But for that you will have to wait.
So what do you want? A speedy phone with unacceptable power consumption or do you want to timetravel to get the newest technology before we can imagine how it should look like ?

HTC Hero poor performance (3D, flash, etc)

I've tried many 3D games, for example:
- Speed Forge 3D
- Quake 1
- Quake 2
- TinyWarz
None of them runs perfectly.
So if you want to be able some smooth 3D games, just pass HTC Hero, take a look at Motorola Milestone (powered by 600Mhz ARM Cortex) it performs way better (even if it has 2x2 larger resolution)
Some comparison videos
hero: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTDdiq21EOc
milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7qbqSnLU0
Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz sucks (as i've haven't already know this.. my fault). It really show it's weakness when you run several task at the same time: download someting, listen to music and try to browse the internet/navigate to menus, etc.
I load websites on the browser quite often and the experience is not snappy on complex sites. For example the scrolling in pocketnow.com is so slow..
Beside of the CPU, HTC Hero is a cool phone. Too bad that HTC chosed this poor cpu.

i dont find the phone that bad on games. websites are also fine, on the pocketnow.com site you mentioned i can shoot about the page with blistering speed and i mean drag my finger all over fast with no lag..
Have you tried a different rom?

Speed Forge 3D is fine on my Hero. mcr 3.2 b5

@anarchyuk I haven't tried any ROM. My hero had already the latest HTC firmware..
@deejay300 by fine, do you mean like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSxGrjxuyEU . Compare with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7qbqSnLU0 #0.22
You will see the difference

Much better than the hero video. I would say that that was pretty shocking in that first video. Obviously the hero isn't quite as smooth as the droid but it was pretty close.

Pretty much the same as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK_d...E2D406D9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=19

Yeah, poor 3D and 90% of the users don't care.
If you want to play 3D game, buy a console and let people that love the agenda, contacts, GPS, mail, Internet enjoying their device.
They are as you said more strong and better devices for games! Buy them.

What I don't understand is why you even post such a topic, purely to bash the qualcomm cpu?
Reading you're sig makes it even more funny that you nag about the hero, knowing it wouldn't be able to outrun any phone with the same cpu.
So if you expected more it's you're own fault.
As you said 90% of the hero users did know about the 3d performance of the hero and don't nag. Are satisified. Those people thought before they bought.
You obviously didn't, don't come and nag to us about it...

There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..

DSF said:
There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..
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I think you should try a custom rom instead of the crappy stock htc one! adobe are rumoured to be releasing new versions of flash for certain handsets all the time that will work much better with web flash. So you never know you might get a better experience soon. Not so much if you go by http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/ as the Qualcomm® MSM7200A is arm9!

I'm waiting the official 2.1 update from HTC, there are rumours that it will be released somewhere in march
And about the Flash 10 .. I don't know..
No, the HTC Hero will not be supported b/c it does not have the correct Android OS version and its chipset is not powerful enough. We require a device with an ARM v7 (Cortex) processor. Examples include the Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets and TI OMAP3 series.
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http://gizmodo.com/5480985/why-most-current-android-phones-will-never-get-flash-101

DSF said:
There was a hope that the this qualcomm cpu run better in Android (and as general UI is smoother than WM).
I really don't understand why people just told the good parts of a device. The people should know that htc hero doesn't renders flash video perfectly, for example.
I like Hero, I really like the phone (even if it has many lacks, hope it will be fixed soon) but I want to tell others about its negative aspects. So people which want pure performance should pass this phone.
@profete162 let's be real. I surf a lot and the internet experience is not super great. The load time is not super good. Plus, flash experiance is far from perfect. Not to mention that on some sites the scrolling is soo laggin at least on mine (for eg: pocketnow.com). But yes, internet experience it's way better that the from my ex-WM (Touch Pro) one. I don't use the phone primary for games, but a nice 3D game from time to time it would be nice.
@deejay300 yes, still not smooth..
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I loved the HTC Hero - but the performance of its video playback was one of the reasons I quit and bought the Google Nexus One, which addresses just about all of the shortcomings. On the Nexus all my video podcasts and itunes music videos play without a glitch. Different roms were great but didn't solve some of the core performance issues. Still, the Hero was the greatest phone I had up until last year (and I had a lot!). It's great how these phones just keep getting better!

I dont see any lagging on my phone with these games.
even not with movies from torrent sites wich are mp4, doesnt matter what size, framerate or whatever they were encoded on, as long as it was mp4 or m4v it was great.
just downloaded the movies as an IPOD movie

HD2 still not perfect....yet

One thing that bugs me is that no matter what ROM you use, or what graphics patches etc you use, the HD2 still lags a little. I mean: COME ON....1 Ghz processor, 448/576 MB Ram....512 Rom....why can't this device make use of all the power that is laying inside this beast? I payed quite a bit for it, PAYG, and yes, I agree it IS a fantastic phone, and in my eyes a certain iPhone killer (My iPhone fanboy friends now worship the HD2 mwahaha) But still...even the Teeter game lags sometimes, as do menus when scrolled. I've tried everything, Chainfire's program made a nice difference to be sure, but still the device is not perfect, yet alone NEAR perfect... -_-
Electopia runs slow sometimes too.
All I want is a device with no lag...I want a device that works beautifully and smoothly..The HD2 certainly isn't cheap. That said...I think it's the most wonderful phone in the world at the moment
It just needs certain things which are missing

It's not a problem of the device .. it's problem of OS. In WM many tasks run at once. Applications unload seconds after they are closed. In such environment you just can't have all the speed all the time.
My first PDA was Palm V. It had 16Mhz CPU (IIRC). Sure, it did not have any funky animations, and only BW screen .. but it was blazing fast. Not to mention later models, like T5, which had almost 500Mhz.
Even iPhone has half what HD2 has .. and every time I click something it startles me how fast the reaction is. It almost looks like the phone reacts before I touch it.
WM simply has different concept. Both Palm OS and iPhone OS are single task systems, oriented toward fast interactive single application.
In my opinion yeah, you don't really need full multitasking on pocket device. I have no problem with that, and I hate not knowing what's going on in the device. But HD2 really plays it cool .. just don't expect miracles.

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One thing that bugs me is that no matter what ROM you use, or what graphics patches etc you use, the HD2 still lags a little. I mean: COME ON....1 Ghz processor, 448/576 MB Ram....512 Rom....why can't this device make use of all the power that is laying inside this beast? I payed quite a bit for it, PAYG, and yes, I agree it IS a fantastic phone, and in my eyes a certain iPhone killer (My iPhone fanboy friends now worship the HD2 mwahaha) But still...even the Teeter game lags sometimes, as do menus when scrolled. I've tried everything, Chainfire's program made a nice difference to be sure, but still the device is not perfect, yet alone NEAR perfect... -_-
Electopia runs slow sometimes too.
All I want is a device with no lag...I want a device that works beautifully and smoothly..The HD2 certainly isn't cheap. That said...I think it's the most wonderful phone in the world at the moment
It just needs certain things which are missing
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all the lag is windows issues wm6.5 is crap ,i never heared about a phone os needs minimum 256 ram to begin to run smoothly (not full) even windows xp run on 256 ram very good ,all the problem is in the wm6 build and code it is crap sh**ty and needs more ram than ordinary desktop operating system needs

Ahhhh I see! Thanks for explaining. So this new Windows 7 Mobile series...I suppose that will discontinue Multitasking in favour of a speedier overall UI experiance, with single-tasking? In one way, that's a plus. However...I might miss the Multitasking abilities...Guess you can't have the best of both worlds

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Ahhhh I see! Thanks for explaining. So this new Windows 7 Mobile series...I suppose that will discontinue Multitasking in favour of a speedier overall UI experiance, with single-tasking? In one way, that's a plus. However...I might miss the Multitasking abilities...Guess you can't have the best of both worlds
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single tasking will make hd2 incridabely fast with all of its ram and processor power which will be needed to run only one program at the time

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all the lag is windows issues wm6.5 is crap ,i never heared about a phone os needs minimum 256 ram to begin to run smoothly (not full) even windows xp run on 256 ram very good ,all the problem is in the wm6 build and code it is crap sh**ty and needs more ram than ordinary desktop operating system needs
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Very true...my dad's desktop 7 years ago was a Hewlett Packard with 1 Ghz Pentium processor, 128mb graphics card and 256 mb ram. THAT ran Win XP without lag..Hell, it could even play Descent 3 and D3 Mercenary at a playable smooth framerate in 640x480 res...I think there's something MS aren't doing right with the WM 6 OS...In task manager, you have like 15 different processors...it's like Windows on a pocket sized device (Which IS what WinMo is) but I think these separate background processes etc cause A LOT of the lag issues etc

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single tasking will make hd2 incridabely fast with all of its ram and processor power which will be needed to run only one program at the time
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It would be BLAZING fast And imagine it actually closed down all the other processes or paused them except the phone connectivity...and it actually used ALL of its power on that one app...it'd be like lightning...

....but rubbish when you needed to check something online and couldn't have your tv stream playing in the background. I'd rather have a little lag!

I agree there are moments when multitasking is useful. But they really are rare.
Actually I'm not really decided which is way to go. HD2 is fine.
Yeah, the menu animations are not fluent all the time .. but IMHO menu animations are stupid and useless CPU/battery/time eater in the first place.
Other than occasional hiccups of the menu animations I never had a problem with HD2. Well .. if you don't try to sort windows folder in file explorer by type .. but that's not architecture problem anyway.
What bothers me more about multitasking system is that with my previous X1, I several times woke up with phone dead, zero battery. Something just was running there, and I didn't know. Actually .. foreground application can do that too .. but the feeling of uneasiness simply is here.
My old Palms were great .. but that was not time of constant online access, video streaming, social networks, position tracking and so on. Phones/PDAs today simply do a lot of thinks at once. But it should be manageable .. and with WM it almost is not.

HTC Hero users pliz help!

im currently eyeing on an android phone.n since my budget is not so high,i am considering the htc hero.my question is,does the hero lags often when using custom rom or android 2.1?what else is disturbing with this phone in ur opinion?
im using xperia x1 now,btw...
ur opinion is much needed.thanks in advance!

The hero is a great handset get one!!
Runs fine on 2.1 video graphics vastly improved over the old 1.5 rom and the camara seems to be improved too!

biggest annoyance is the camera's lag (from the time you press the button until it captures the image). i've tried basically all of the 3rd-party camera apps, essentially the same in terms of this issue. didn't use the camera much before i switched to a custom ROM, but based on the complaints on the sprint forums i'd say it's in the stock rom too.

Personally, with the newer handsets arround now, I wouldnt get it, but its still a great little handset. With overclocks (up to 768 on newest models) the phone runs 2.1 fast, smooth and all in all, great. 3d performance is great concidereding it has no dedicated GPU, though the latest 3d games will lag... but its a great size, much nicer to hold than the desire in my opinion.
Dont worry about speed. Unless you plan to do 3d gaming on it, the hero will not limit you at all!

Cameras seem to be a weak point for HTC in general. My old TyTNII's camera was pretty much useless and the Hero's is awful too. (Mind you I haven't upgraded to 2.1 yet so it might help.)

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Personally, with the newer handsets arround now, I wouldnt get it, but its still a great little handset. With overclocks (up to 768 on newest models) the phone runs 2.1 fast, smooth and all in all, great. 3d performance is great concidereding it has no dedicated GPU, though the latest 3d games will lag... but its a great size, much nicer to hold than
the desire in my opinion.
Dont worry about speed. Unless you plan to do 3d gaming on it, the hero will not limit you at all!
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u mean,the hero sucks in 3d games?

i've read some reviews on the net n some of them claimed that hero is a bad device for web browsing.is it true? it is important to me as i always browse rhe web with my phone.
does this phone suit me as a heavy user of web browsing,average user for gaming(bt i demand smooth n great graphic) n crazy apps fan?

Well I've never had any problems with web browsing. Becuase it only runs 2.1 it doesn't support full flash - however it does support the mobile version what is ok for banners etc on website. I use my device for web browsing all the time and I love it for it.
Gaming is fine on it. I have mine overclocked to 691 (furthest I can go with my chip). and I can run the most demanding game I have ever found (Raging Thunder - A 3d car racing game with ace graphics) smoothly probably about 20-25 fps.
I love the phone personally

Wezternator said:
Well I've never had any problems with web browsing. Becuase it only runs 2.1 it doesn't support full flash - however it does support the mobile version what is ok for banners etc on website. I use my device for web browsing all the time and I love it for it.
Gaming is fine on it. I have mine overclocked to 691 (furthest I can go with my chip). and I can run the most demanding game I have ever found (Raging Thunder - A 3d car racing game with ace graphics) smoothly probably about 20-25 fps.
I love the phone personally
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thanks for the great review! really helpful...