After installing MUN_RUS and LVSW roms....
The leakage is even worse them WM05 roms.
i start the day with 23 MB, and after 3 hours of work (push mail and some calls) it narrows down to 13-16 MB....
Anyone else experiencing this?
Nadav
No. I don't experience this. I have my phone on 24/7 and this doesn't happen even after long time of no resets.
Remember these are BETA roms
Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.
ZakMcRofl said:
Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.
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Yes i understand,
but WM06 is supposed to improve this issue isn't it?
it is even worse then WM05.
Nadavi
That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.
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That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.
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Thats the issue here,
That Pocket pc software doesnt use that much, and doesnt stay resident in memory!
if so, upon closing of the software it should clear out the used memory, i was convinced that in WM06 that think is executed better then WM05.
well it isnt
anyway, about free memory, the device is being up for 13 hours now,
and 11MB free! i can't even run Navigation software.
i've installed
SPB pocket plus
SPB diary
spb mobile shell
spb phone suite
Eyron hebrew support.
Ezdial.
None of thoose are not standart software programs.
What is wrong in WM06?
Nadavi
Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...
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Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...
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I'm using SPB pocket plus to Really close each program being used.
so no software is left open.
but still, with push mail and normal daily usage i got no memory left at the end of the day.
Nadavi
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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ok, they are great softwares! please give me your usage....
What is you rate of memory leakage?
you begin the day with:
and end it with:
which Software installed
Thanks in advance.
Nadavi.
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??
I'm using SPB Phone Suite and SPB Pocket Plus :\
Almost every software that I know, is for WM5, not for WM6
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What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??
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Try iLauncher, but I think that it is for WM5 too Don't know any launcher for WM6
Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?
I use SPB Mobile shell, SPB Diary and SPB weather...
I had no memory problems with these three when testing either lvsw or mUn ROM.
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Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?
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I use iLauncher, for me it works well without being too "heavy".
lvsw said:
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
alchemax said:
Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
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lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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Hey guys,
is there any Tool/Application/something-else that can free the RAM?
Because even when I always close my programs and don't let them run minimized my free RAM is draining away after some time.
Can I free that RAM (scheduled would be nice, like 2h or so) without having to do a softreset each time?
greetings Stefan
Stefan, there are many task managers to do this. I recommend SmallMenu.
For a quick fix, have a look for my program VJOkButt. This closes apps instead of minimising them (generally!)
V
well, actually that's not the problem.
I use SPB PocketPlus and I always close my programs, but after half a day I only have 10-12MB RAM free with no programs running except some plugins.
After a softreset I have 20-25MB free with the same stuff running as before.
So I just wanted to know how I can fix that, but thx anyway.
greetz Stefan
Try using something other than SPB for a while to see how it goes.
Although for the universal and not magician, people are trying to measure where memory leaks are coming from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=36435&highlight=
V
nothing wrong to soft reset your handheld once a day. I use Handy Menu but with SPB Plus too, you can easily do soft reset in 1 click. No need to wear out your reset keyhole.
Hey all,
I'm new to WM5 (or WM for that matters) and picked up my MDA from Tmobile a few days ago. I noticed windows becomes very sluggish at times (takes a long time for a key response). It's so slow sometimes it looks like it has hung in between program changes
I'm just running the basic programs that came with the phone and not using SD card at all.
Is this because I'm running low on Program memory? I noticed my program is at around 5 MB when this happens.
Should this even be happening w/ the basic apps? It seems to help when I start stop some of the running programs.
I hope I don't have OC the damn thing to run basic apps.
ROM version: 1.8.10.2 WWE (any better out there?)
ROM date: 12/10/05
I have an 8125 and it can get slow when running a few large programs of things. Like PIE or Opera & Media Player or Core. I will also tell you that its not an extremely fast device but it is in part due to the fact that programs are not writen to utilize the processor the Wizard has. That's what I have come to understand atleast. If anyone else has input on it please share.
Later; Lew
I was hoping Opera would be less "fat" but from you have indicated that might not be the case. I wonder if Verizon's XV6700 make a difference in speed since their version is 400mhz.
I figure they're pretty much the same device and decided to go w/ TMobile since it's GSM.
Back to the slow issue, I notice the apps don't really close even if you close them. I have go to System to manually stop them to get the RAM back. Is that normal?
It is also slow because of memory design. There are more topics on this. You can't lose data when battery is empty, but type of memory used is slower.
Well thats a trade I am willing to make. I was always checking my battery on my SX66. Now atleast I can relax and jsut use the device. The 6700 from verizon should run these apps faster because it has a normal but higher speed procesor. It is 400 mhz but not dual core. Where as the Wizard is 200 (195) mhz Dual Core. I think that if apps were writen to utilize this they would run much better, as fast as the 400mhz.
Later; Lew
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
street_hawk said:
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
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That doesn't make sense, unless you were constantly running skype. Just having skype installed doesn't slow down the device. I have it installed, and there are no resources being used if I don't launch it.
Optical,
Have you applied the various reg hacks (WM5 Cache, and Glyphecache) yet? They do make a difference.
Skype has a minimum processor speed requirement, quite clearly stated on their website, which the XDA Mini unfortunately does not meet. Again, unfortunately that is the only version you can use for it since earlier Skype builds will not run at all under WM5. One trick is to run Skype from the MiniSD card which has the advantage of freeing up precious RAM, in fact I would recommend you only install any new applications onto the MiniSD card.
Skype
In my case I found a noticeable improvement once I uninstalled Skype. It wasn't running constantly. I regularly checked the Task Manager closing all unnecessary apps as it was so slow.
Might just be me though!
optical said:
Hey all,
I'm new to WM5 (or WM for that matters) and picked up my MDA from Tmobile a few days ago. I noticed windows becomes very sluggish at times (takes a long time for a key response). It's so slow sometimes it looks like it has hung in between program changes
I'm just running the basic programs that came with the phone and not using SD card at all.
Is this because I'm running low on Program memory? I noticed my program is at around 5 MB when this happens.
Should this even be happening w/ the basic apps? It seems to help when I start stop some of the running programs.
I hope I don't have OC the damn thing to run basic apps.
ROM version: 1.8.10.2 WWE (any better out there?)
ROM date: 12/10/05
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When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
Marvie said:
When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
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Very true.
Another good one that I like using is Battery Pack Pro. The nice little "X" is in the corner of the screen and it lets you "click" the program close like windows normally would. It also lets you click on the "X" to see any running apps and force close them.
I'm just waiting for my miniSD card before I go with the tweaks. I'm just a little surprised at what I have to do to just run the apps the OS came with. I guess I had a higher expectation for this device as for performance. You would think 64MB on a phone device is enough!
I noticed one of the tweaks is references the GPS. What is that about? Is that referring to GPS as in GPS receiver? =)
I got a BT receiver and planning to use it but I would love to be surprised about the GPS feature.
JNGold said:
street_hawk said:
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
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That doesn't make sense, unless you were constantly running skype. Just having skype installed doesn't slow down the device. I have it installed, and there are no resources being used if I don't launch it.
Optical,
Have you applied the various reg hacks (WM5 Cache, and Glyphecache) yet? They do make a difference.
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I will definitely give it a try. Please keep the great tips coming!
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Marvie said:
When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
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Very true.
Another good one that I like using is Battery Pack Pro. The nice little "X" is in the corner of the screen and it lets you "click" the program close like windows normally would. It also lets you click on the "X" to see any running apps and force close them.
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I was wondering if anyone tested both programs on his/her Prophet.
What I'm interested in is speed, which one uses less memory?
Is there a way you can see which app. is currently using X cpu time, memory?
Pocket breeze 5 is better, to close programs I use handy switcher
marcov said:
Pocket breeze 5 is better, to close programs I use handy switcher
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I'll have a look
RSkillz said:
Is there a way you can see which app. is currently using X cpu time, memory?
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For CPU, have a look at Vidya Pocket Task Manager.
For RAM, I don't know of any; if you find something, please post it here.
I prefer WA2 for task management,very nice &useful .
and better too WA2 LITE , that is very very light for my S200
WA2 lite is OK, but new HandySwither (v2.7) is the best: only 11.9kb of program memory and fully one-hand operation. No problems with phone application and comm manager too.
To switch and close apps, I now use GSPocketMagic (very light and free), I mapped it to the start menu button, so I do not waste any buttons.
Hi All,
i use both WA2 & Spb pocket plus and both work quite well on my Jamin. do not use the WA Desktop since it is useless if you really want to use Spb plus the only problem i face with the Spb is that the actual themes will not show on the Meter bars (Battery, Memory, etc.)
Ok - I got SPB pocket plus installed and what happened on my screen I got a shortcut telling me how much of memory I have left. Now, I did not install any extra programs but somehow it happened that from 20MB my memory got shrinked down to 13.1MB - how is this possible and what could be the reason for this.
All change I made was exchange of an memory card - from 512MB to 2GB. I might had something installed on my memory card but never re-installed it - might this cause this memory loss?
Thank you!
PS. Other then this - phone is AWESOME! I bought one more for my brother.
SPB pocket plus is also a memory hogger... why not try uninstalling it and check the memory usage at start->settings->system-<memory
Yep, it's really bad. Also you may have a program installed that has a memory leak. You might look into SPBs new mobile shell program instead of Pocket Plus. It seems to do much of the same thing but seems so far to be more memory friendly.
The reason I gave up Pocket Plus before the trial period was over was because of the memory leak. It was TERRIBLE!!
I went with iLauncher instead and have been VERY happy with it. Between Spb Pocket Plus and iLauncher, I used cLaunch -- in addition to Pocket Snapit and psShutXP and Magic Button or InClose. But when iLauncher came out with their upgrade that incorporated a screen capture utility, soft reset and task manager, I went with iLauncher instead to have one program replace 4 -- for about the same amount of RAM useage.
I had also purchased Wisbar Advance 2 and WAD and even gave them up for awhile due to the memory issues. However, Lakeridge Software has now completely revamped those apps and they only use about 1/3 of the memory resources that they used to use -- PLUS they work with WM6.
There's several things that can cause drops in memory. A good investment -- or even a trial period -- of MemMaid would be in order. I was able to see exactly where my memory was going while using MemMaid and it carries a very small footprint -- under 50 kb.
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Yep, it's really bad. Also you may have a program installed that has a memory leak. You might look into SPBs new mobile shell program instead of Pocket Plus. It seems to do much of the same thing but seems so far to be more memory friendly.
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I found that SPB Shell was very heavy on memory usage, but have no problems with pocket plus (most recent version 3.2.0 Build 5561)
As an alternative to Mem Maid check out the freeware app Task Manager V2.7 which can be found here.
It can offer you some of the functionality of memory maid.
Is there a list of apps that are perfectly compatible with the ameo?
I have tried a few apps and utils such as wisbar advance and spb mobile shell but they seem to have side-effects which alter the the ameo's reliability.
I even had an issue where the camera wouldnt load while spb mobile shell was installed.
So if anybody knows what software best compliment the ameo please let me know!
Smartstradamus said:
Is there a list of apps that are perfectly compatible with the ameo?
I have tried a few apps and utils such as wisbar advance and spb mobile shell but they seem to have side-effects which alter the the ameo's reliability.
I even had an issue where the camera wouldnt load while spb mobile shell was installed.
So if anybody knows what software best compliment the ameo please let me know!
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on my side I am happy with the test with Pocket Informant, pocket slides.
Bad expertise with pocket hack master. Times bad expertise with the print software coming with the device, I think is due the wifi is a little special on athena.
Resco explorer last version creates problems -I think is due too much options on network- managing files in other network computers.
Expensepro runs fine, except the problem with the screen if you rotate it.
About hw, I own a jabra bt8010 and no caller id support, I think is a problem of the bluetooth stack that jetware doesn't solve.
Smartstradamus said:
Is there a list of apps that are perfectly compatible with the ameo?
I have tried a few apps and utils such as wisbar advance and spb mobile shell but they seem to have side-effects which alter the the ameo's reliability.
I even had an issue where the camera wouldnt load while spb mobile shell was installed.
So if anybody knows what software best compliment the ameo please let me know!
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I have manage to quite a lot of programs working, yes some have bug and side effect, but there is always a solution to it. Pocket hack master works too. Actually you will find most of the good application out there works fine with Ameo, there is only very small amount that doesn't work
functional applications...
The following is a list of programs that I've installed on my x7500 which haven't yeilded any problems:
- Vito Audio Notes
- CorePlayer
- PocketXMRadio
- SlingPlayer Mobile
- IM+
- pRSSreader
- Sniffi
- WiFiFoFum2
- WM6 Remote Desktop
- Google Maps (just haven't gotten the GPS to work on it)
- Microsoft Live Search
- Pocket Informant
- eWallet
- AE Button Plus
- Check Notifications (I think this caused ActiveSync to stop working so I would caution against installing this)
- Magic Button
- Resco File Explorer/RegistryAddon/FTP Addon
- SmallMenu Plus
- Total Commander
- VGAToggle (buggy aesthetics but no system issues as of yet)
- VJBigPhoner
- Gentimer (just installed and testing still)
Edit #1: Just installed 'HIMILAYA WM2k5 Screen Rotate Fix v1.1' which so far works as expected.
Let me know if you need specific versions for any listed items.
wu5262 said:
I have manage to quite a lot of programs working, yes some have bug and side effect, but there is always a solution to it. Pocket hack master works too. Actually you will find most of the good application out there works fine with Ameo, there is only very small amount that doesn't work
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maybe you made some special thing, maybe related other sw in your athena, with it. In my case extend aditional seconds the startup and frozen it. Tested all the possible configurations of speed and memory.
For me this program doesn't provide any help on speed or performance except nice rings when start -if doesn't frozen-. Previously, in my universal it was great, but not in x7500, but obviously is my case...
beginner said:
maybe you made some special thing, maybe related other sw in your athena, with it. In my case extend aditional seconds the startup and frozen it. Tested all the possible configurations of speed and memory.
For me this program doesn't provide any help on speed or performance except nice rings when start -if doesn't frozen-. Previously, in my universal it was great, but not in x7500, but obviously is my case...
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you must disable internal auto scale.....
wu5262 said:
you must disable internal auto scale.....
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pocket hack master disable automatically all the extensions, did you make it yourself?
beginner said:
pocket hack master disable automatically all the extensions, did you make it yourself?
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no, you just need to go to setting to disable internel scale, pretty simple
wu5262 said:
no, you just need to go to setting to disable internel scale, pretty simple
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mine hasn't that option (or I can't find it). It is htc x7500 and local language. Rom is 1.25.412.2. I think it manages automatically the performance under battery and not needed aditional magmt.
beginner said:
mine hasn't that option (or I can't find it). It is htc x7500 and local language. Rom is 1.25.412.2. I think it manages automatically the performance under battery and not needed aditional magmt.
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i'ts the PHM setting not the device setting.
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i'ts the PHM setting not the device setting.
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ufff ... thanks. sorry I look stupid.
beginner said:
ufff ... thanks. sorry I look stupid.
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no worry, good luck with your CPU scaling, report back the result pls
ltxda said:
The following is a list of programs that I've installed on my x7500 which haven't yeilded any problems:
- Vito Audio Notes
- CorePlayer
- PocketXMRadio
- SlingPlayer Mobile
- IM+
- pRSSreader
- Sniffi
- WiFiFoFum2
- WM6 Remote Desktop
- Google Maps (just haven't gotten the GPS to work on it)
- Microsoft Live Search
- Pocket Informant
- eWallet
- AE Button Plus
- Check Notifications (I think this caused ActiveSync to stop working so I would caution against installing this)
- Magic Button
- Resco File Explorer/RegistryAddon/FTP Addon
- SmallMenu Plus
- Total Commander
- VGAToggle (buggy aesthetics but no system issues as of yet)
- VJBigPhoner
- Gentimer (just installed and testing still)
Let me know if you need specific versions for any listed items.
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thanks for the replies
Are the apps above all the latest versions?
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thanks for the replies
Are the apps above all the latest versions?
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Don't think so. Let me know if you're interested in knowing the version of any app in particular.
Wifi troubles
I don't know if this is your case but since I replaced the jasjar with HTC I have at home wifi network access problems some times. It navigates by internet without issues but when I try to access to other pc disks shared times it sees and times not.
Some infraestructure -pc, access points, ..., no changes-
with the last version of resco explorer was impossible to share information with other pc, with the previous one is intermitent. And same problem with the software for printing in the network, times see the shared resources and times not.
beginner said:
with the last version of resco explorer was impossible to share information with other pc, with the previous one is intermitent. And same problem with the software for printing in the network, times see the shared resources and times not.
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I'm using Resco Explorer 2005 and having no problems using WLAN shared drive etc (other than it not remembering the password for my NAS but it always did that.)
Phoenix Studio 1.1 works, but you need to make sure you're in portrait mode and exit it before attaching the keyboard, otherwise touchscreen input goes a bit wrong and you'll have to exit the application by starting another one and going to the "Running Programs" panel.
Sounds good, too, with the speakers in the Ameo!
Pocket Commodore Plus4 works quite nicely on it for BASIC, but the emulation drops to cripplingly slow speeds when any input is used - shameful for what should be one of the fastest devices on the market.