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Shall i install WM5 to make application run faster?

Hi. I currently have the WM2003 rom. I use my XDAII mainly for medical programs but some of them, especially the UPTODATE medical program, which is a very large one, takes TOO LONG to open and even to search for topics in it. I've read that newer roms make applications run faster. Do you think i should upgrade my XDAII. Shall i install WM2003SE or WM5. I want my rom to be stable.
Thanks

UpToDate and WM5
Hi,
I know that this post has gone unanswered for a long time, but -- being a med student -- I know many health professionals that have encountered these exact same issues.
I have tried UpToDate 15.2 using three devices: An hp hx4700 (WM2003SE), an hp rx1950 (WM5) and a Treo 700wx (WM5).
UpToDate loading times (first load) with Sentry 2020 were as follows (I did the test multiple times on clean devices):
hx4700: 2-4 seconds
rx1950: 6-8 seconds
700wx (312 MHz): 10-15 seconds (Yipes!)
700wx (520 MHz): 9-13 seconds
The Treo 700wx struggles with this application, even when overclocked. I also noticed that it struggles with Skyscape applications as well. After it loads, it's really fast, but gosh -- why the long loading time? For this, I miss the hx4700. I should add that the hx4700 was still speedy with UpToDate, even after installing numerous applications (Wisbar Advance, SPB Diary, Skyscape etc.)
However, notice the huge gap between the rx1950 and the Treo, despite the fact that both of them run WM5. This leads me to believe that WM5's architecture is still capable of running UpToDate really well. RAM doesn't seem to be an issue, either -- The rx1950 has a pathetic amount of RAM (11 MB free), compared the Treo and its 46 MB of free RAM after a hard reset.
I tried to test with the Samsung i760, but the Verizon rep kindly told me not to install anything... (Geez, what's the big deal? I could just hard reset the device when i'm done!)
Perhaps I'll sneak into the store again, and give it another shot with WM6. I'm beginning to think that UpToDate depends more on the device itself (i.e. SDreader/RAM/ROM speed), rather than the OS itself.

with wm5 programs are typicaly present in flash rather then real memory
and reading from flash is slower then mem
so chances are that wm5 on himalaya would run it slower then wm2003
sure running progs in flash would mean that all 128mb ram is used for apps
but i suspect that it's not a mem issue that cause this slow start up
i suspect that it's because alot! of data needs to be loaded
in which case having more memry will not help a bit

Updates with "UpToDate" WM5/WM6
Hey Rudegar, thanks for the feedback. I agree with you 100%.
In case any users stumble upon this forum, I wanted to add that UpToDate performs quite well on both the Samsung i760 and HTC TyTn/Verizon XV6800 (WM6). Loading time is about 6-7 seconds. I also experienced the same results using an HTC TyTn with WM5. UpToDate is very usable on these devices
Looks like the 700wx is the odd one out... It's also interesting how the 700wx has a really low file index score using SPB Benchmark. I wonder how the Treo 750 would perform with UpToDate. Testing with a WM6 Apache (via Helmi's WM6 ROM) would be interesting, too...

But wait, there's more!
After speaking with my colleagues, I've decided to add a bit about issues with medical programs in Windows Mobile.
UpToDate + Lexi-Comp:
If these programs are running at the same time, loading time for Lexi-Comp books will drag. The only workaround I can think of is to not use these two at the same time.
UpToDate + SPB Diary
I think Diary affects the loading time of UpToDate. But maybe it's just me
Lexi-Comp after using Live Search with SD card cache
As you may know, The LiveSearch folder on the SD card has a lot of folders in it... Enough to cause havok when Lexi-Comp is searching for books. With Live Search, I leave the SD card cache option disabled. All devices I've tested load the list of Lexi-Comp books in 3 seconds, even the 700wx.
Skyscape Stuff
No issues here! I've heard rumors of impact on system performance, but I have found no effect so far.
hx4700 with Kozhura WM6 ROM
I just had to try this. Impressive! The loading time for UpToDate is longer (7 seconds), but -- as Rudegar mentioned, that's expected with persisent storage on WM5/6 devices.
So, there you have it. If any physicians out there are having issues with WM UpToDate, Lexi-Comp or Skyscape stuff, hopefully their Google searches will take them here.

How can I increase the speed of my Jasjar. Everythings opens

Hello friends
My Jasjar is pretty slow in opening applications. it approximately takes about 7/8 seconds to open anything. is there any solution available to increase its speed?
Khawar

Re: How can I increase the speed of my Jasjar. Everythings o
Khawar said:
Hello friends
My Jasjar is pretty slow in opening applications. it approximately takes about 7/8 seconds to open anything. is there any solution available to increase its speed?
Khawar
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What have you installed in terms of task closers, and uninstalled in terms of Error Reporting, Beaming etc?

in my experience, installing the dialler from the extended rom (o2 or whatever) dramatically slowed down my system. i suggest skip the whole ext rom & install just what you need.
bells and whistles slow the system down
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Plus if you have some memory card indicators such as those found in SPB Pocket Plus, Resco Explorer, Battery Plus, etc... those can slow your Universal too. I tried SPB Pocket Plus before, after 2 minutes of trying, I decided to delete it.

tell us what you have installed, and the locations. we have all tried all sorts and including all spb, all omega one, all resco, and lots and lots of other stuff.
most of it i have ended up uninstalling. now mine runs lightening fast, and does everything that i purchased it for (except for obvious known stupid bugs that imate havent bothered to fix, but acknowledge a fix is required).
So list it and we can fix it.
These forums tell you lots and lots and lots and lots about how to speed up your device, seek and read and you shall find the answer.

i have installed Batti, magic button and Codec software for full screen video in the main memory.

I would suggest that you should un-install Batti.
Keep MagicButton....it's the best task manager and does not cause any slow down to your device.
If you need a today plugin software, the best would be Resco explorer "including Resco Today Plugin" but don't let any battery inicator or storage card indicator on your today screen otherwise it will slow down your device.
I hope this will help you to speed up your device.
Regards,

Finally U R in friendship with Universal??? :( Not me

Is there anybody who can't find his/her Universal veeeeryyyy veerryyyyy sloooow????
If yes, which 3rd party softwares installed?
I'm really thinking about selling it.
I really love VGA, 3G, and other things, but I feel I have 286 PC with a MacG5 hardware chances.
If I want my VGA PDA to run well, I should not install most of appications written nowadays.
I'm really really sad.
What to do?
Who is the hero who finds his toy acceptable?
And HHHHOOOOOWWWWW????
I'm not an amateur - very very not -, but I'd like to use the abilities of the Universal, but it seems, it can't give me its capabilities. I have to chose which app I want very well and which not.
HEEEEEEEELP!!!
SOMEBODYYYYY!!!!

As I said already in other thread, my Exec is running very fast, screen orientation change is very quick, I have no delay in answering phone calls, always over 21-22 Mb memory and it doesn't freeze at all.
I soft reset it every 4-5 days.
Applications that I have now installed (all of them in phone memory) after trying many others are:
- MohairSofa Calendar+ Today PlugIn
- Insignia Solutions JeodeRuntime
- Vijay555 VJOkButt
- Softick Card Export II
- Softatics Corporation xConverter Pro ( great software!!!!)
- Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX
- Handmark Monopoly
- Kasuei Hitchhiker
- Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
- TCPMP The Core Pocket Media Player
- PHM Registry Editor
- GreenSoftware GSFinder+
Everything is running absolutely flawless.
I have UMTS connection avaliable 95% of the times, I'm using Orange UK 3G Sim
My radio is the 1.04 version and I see absolutely no reason for update.
I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed.

Thanx the answer.
"I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed." - You wrote
Yes, you are right, but I don't want to be careful to select which software I can use.
I WANT TO USE ALL THE SOFTWARES I USED WITH MY O2 XDAIIi !!!
Why is it a big wish?
It is the same if you buy a laptop, and you can use just WindowsXP with Opera Browser, a 3rd party calculator and some ActiveX plugin.
If this device can use just these few apps without freezing or crashing and with acceptable speed, then this is just ten pence a schilling. ( ) (I just learned this in english)
In this case I'd rather buy a stable, fast and old Nokia phone.

OK. I'm trying to write what I'm using:
With the Storage:
- SBSH iLauncher 2.2
- SBSH Pocket Breeze 5
- Marsware WeatherPanel
- AlarmToday
- DKtoday
- PocketZenphone
- WisbarAdvance2
- Wisbar Desktop
- Dinarsoft HandyMenu
- Dinarsoft MemMaid
- Double Launcher
- Macromedia FlashPlayer
- Spb GPRSmonitor
- XCPUscalar
- PDAmill Topkey
- RescoExplorer
- Novosec SmartFilter
- Sunnysoft BackupManager
- PhatWare PhatPad
- Microsoft VB Runtimes for PPC
- RescoViewer
On Storage Card:
- Resco PocketRadio
- MobiMate WorldMate 2006 professional
- SKtools
- OmegaOne 1-Calc
- Astro WinCE
- PocketMusic
- Cash Organizer 05
- ListPro
- Bryht FlashPlayer
- Opera
- TomTom Navigator 5
- Aeromap VR3
- CheckNotifications
- Tweaks2k2
- PocketMechanic
- System Monitor Pro
- eWallet
- VITO MobileDownloader
- VITO SoundExplorer
- WiFiFoFum
- OutlookCleaner
- PocketEarth
- PocketWorldInfo
- SpbImageer
- XnView Pocket
- PocketArtist
.........and many more with a lot of games in 2GB SD
I know this is not a small list but I used all of these on my 2020i without any problem. I used PocketInformant too but I found it really slow on Universal so I decided not to install it.
Maybe You have a question: then why do not use 2020i?
Simple answer: I really hate HTC showing me what is a VGA PDA with 3G.
That is why. I fuc*ing love it and I feel I cannot live without VGA and 3G.
So, if somebody has some experience in upper softs and knows errors or bugs with using them on Universal, please write it to me.

Sorry, but I will never believe that you need and are using all of these applications. And this is definitely the list to slow down your universal.
I like to keep my PC and Pocket PC clean and install only what I need, not what I MAY USE ONE DAY. Clutter is not good in any situation!
And so far it works for me.
And another thing is that many of the applications you have installed are enormous in size: Pocket Breeze, SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance, MobiMate World Mate Pro,Wisbar Desktop. And there is plenty applications doing the same things which are not only many times smaller in size, faster, and free. Like for example Pocket Breeze and Calendar+ or SPB Pocket Plus and VJOKbutt and VJTrayLaunch.
And don't you think that you sound silly and childish when you say that because you don't want uninstall few of these applications you will stop yourself from using all of them and buy a Nokia. :lol: Go for it, in the meantime I will enjoy using my fast, reliable Exec with all the applications I need...

In one part you have right in other part you don't have.
If you believe or not I'm using almost all of these applications almost every day.
Maybe I can find some which I really don't need but which you wrote in your slowapps-list I really love and if these are forbidden softs with a PDA I'm not sure I'd like to use them.
BUT!!!!
I've been using PDA-phones for years!!!!
I have not any problems with speed and stability before.
I used all of these applications.
WHY IS IT PROBLEM FOR THE NEWEST AND MOST EQUIPPED PDA??????
I'm not able to accept this.

(Spb PocketPlus I'm not using, I found it slower than other slow applications)

Tuningszocske said:
I'm not able to accept this.
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Is that a threat? :wink: :lol:
Good night/morning...Enjoy your new Nokia :lol:

Yes, this is a threat.
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it.
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:

been smoking something? :twisted:

Frankly I understand your angst and kind of feel cheated myself after spending so much money on the Exec. Right now I am down to barebones in terms of the s/w that I have installed on it and inspite of that, it is really slow. One realises how slow the Exec is after having used the XDAII which was blazing fast with at least 3 times more s/w installed. I still have the XDA II and just checked it again... boy it is FAST!
Understandably, I too am dissapointed with this device.
Cheers, Vikas.
Tuningszocske said:
Yes, this is a threat.
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it.
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:
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@Tuningszocske
Same here. love and hate.
With my Nokia 9500 I never worried about how much s/w I installed (especailly with 80mb of user storage) but with my Exec I now only use Agenda Fusion, MS Reader (which is buggy), Opera & Mobireader.

Personally I don't think the problem is from the device itself, but the software. WM5 seems to run a lot slower than 2003SE, and even with faster CPUs and more memory, it's kinda like trying to run Windows XP on a Pentium 500... In other words, we'll need to wait for the hardware to mature and specs to be much more advanced to run WM5 at full speed. The hardware manufacturers also have to learn to use the new functions of the new OS, and learn to work around its quirks, but this can be solved by firmware updates.
So yeah, the Universal is great, as long as you keep things relatively simple with it.

Answering your question is a bit of a personal preference. But for me, I am very happy with my EXEC. This is my first Pocket PC coming from a TH55/E1 Palm OS. Anyone who owned a TH55 knows it only can run applications at 144 MHz, with tons of applications installed it was very slow in opening applicaions, but once opened it runs smoothly. So for me, coming from a slow device to my EXEC is like a blessing. PLUS, as mentioned above, I only install applications that I really use and tend not to clutter my 2GB SD card which I use mostly for keeping my MP3s and Movies. I have no complaints so far. I never had any of the problems described in some threads like being slow, delayed rings, bluetooth problems, etc...

more than happy with it, only a few gripes, but that is towards the 3rd party applications with exception of the lack of a backup function, in general it is fast enough, considering it is a pda phone.
for speed, I just whip out my Sony VAIO laptop not as portable nor as light, but each has there uses
this however looks very interesting
http://www.dualcor.com/photos.php

Blue Angel and V3i
Hi all,
Yes - despite having an SPV for over a year (Palm os Treo 600 before that), I must say I'm still forced to draw one conclusion:
Bloated OS on an underpowered device.
I had hoped that after the CE days they would have sorted this out, but had so many problems with my BA being slow and hanging (how cool is it to say "sorry, my ohone just crashed?!"), I did look at the M5000 (wizzard).
I may be wrong on this but I believe the main problems with the BA - namely battery life, memory and cpu speed - weren't upgraded for the wizzard. And, unfortunately, I had to decide that the Wizard is just TOO BIG.
IS it me, but does anyone actually NEED the h/wkeyboard?
So, am going on with a barebones BA, and have bought a motorola V31 as a "propr phone"! Hopefully when i come to replac my phone in 12 months time, things will have got much faster and better in PPC phones....
Yes, I know they can do some very cool things, but I really didnt find the BA a very reliable phone.
Perhaps it's too cumbersome for a phone, and too small for a laptop?
Right idea - keep going - lets see where we are in a year!!

man how people complain...
dont like it, sell it, simple
i dont have a hate relationship at all, i just love it all the way...
i use lots, but again selective, even my existing configurations can make the device run slow, so i just dont use them for a while and switch them back on when I want to change it.
I have the perfect, fast efficient machine, and if I want to make it look pretty, make it do more functions simultaneously, I accept that it will slow down. Try loading any computer up with 60% - 80% drain on its available ram and its gonna slow down.
The issues are nearly all with the third party applications, the bare bones machine with minimal extended rom installs means I also dont miss a call, rings on the second ring, screen rotation the first time is sub 2 seconds, and subsequently sub 1 second.
I love the bluetooth, keyboard, vga, 3 g, I also like the clam close to protect my screen so that I dont need a case, it just fits in the pocket if I am not wearing tight jeans....
Device is SPB PP (beta), SPB Diary, SPB Weather, SPB Backup (Beta), Resco Explorer, M$VC, KSE True Fax
Card... TCPMP, Resco Audio, Resco Radio, Resco Pictures, Wizbar 2 and Desktop (to play not use), 1 Calc, MS Reader, Bluepoint world and earth, and games
Yes you have to be choosy on your apps, but these are the software developers fault for not correctly utilising and keeping upto date with the change in technology, the permanent storage rather than pure RAM, and thus calling permanent storage information into RAM whn it is in storage.
We wanted permanent storage, but the developers have written applications for the the 2003/SE system and "adapted" to the WM2005 system, and it isnt that adaptable.
They must catch up , they will catch up, but dont whinge about your phone, it works, it works well, the apps are the are that screw it up.
Again, dont like it, sell it, stop whinging, some of you guys sound worse that my missus....
This is not a whinge forum, it is a help and contribute forum to share and develop knowledge.

@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.

jah said:
@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.
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Hello,
I have a QTEK 9000 and:
1. SMS never froze
2. Call Alert always rings in my phone mid-first-ring (i use a 50k mp3)
3. data loss after soft? not sure what this is about
What ROM are you using BTW? Just curious.

@Jorgee, suggest you have a quick look at this forum. There are lots of threads about the problems I mentioned. Regarding the call alert, I have now installed the new Radio ROM and there are significant improvements for finding a weak signal and call alert is also much better. The SMS freez was with my JJ which I have now sold. The loss of data - again the architecture of the Universal does mean this can happen. If RAM data is not written to ROM because of a fault. Again lots of posts on this here at this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...s=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sms+freez&start=0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34724&highlight=sms+freez

Memory Leakage...Spb mobile shell causes this...

After installing MUN_RUS and LVSW roms....
The leakage is even worse them WM05 roms.
i start the day with 23 MB, and after 3 hours of work (push mail and some calls) it narrows down to 13-16 MB....
Anyone else experiencing this?
Nadav

No. I don't experience this. I have my phone on 24/7 and this doesn't happen even after long time of no resets.

Remember these are BETA roms

Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.

ZakMcRofl said:
Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.
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Yes i understand,
but WM06 is supposed to improve this issue isn't it?
it is even worse then WM05.
Nadavi

That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.

ZakMcRofl said:
That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.
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Thats the issue here,
That Pocket pc software doesnt use that much, and doesnt stay resident in memory!
if so, upon closing of the software it should clear out the used memory, i was convinced that in WM06 that think is executed better then WM05.
well it isnt
anyway, about free memory, the device is being up for 13 hours now,
and 11MB free! i can't even run Navigation software.
i've installed
SPB pocket plus
SPB diary
spb mobile shell
spb phone suite
Eyron hebrew support.
Ezdial.
None of thoose are not standart software programs.
What is wrong in WM06?
Nadavi

Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...

stepw said:
Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...
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I'm using SPB pocket plus to Really close each program being used.
so no software is left open.
but still, with push mail and normal daily usage i got no memory left at the end of the day.
Nadavi

NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!

lvsw said:
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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ok, they are great softwares! please give me your usage....
What is you rate of memory leakage?
you begin the day with:
and end it with:
which Software installed
Thanks in advance.
Nadavi.

SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS

lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??

I'm using SPB Phone Suite and SPB Pocket Plus :\
Almost every software that I know, is for WM5, not for WM6

KamaL said:
What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??
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Try iLauncher, but I think that it is for WM5 too Don't know any launcher for WM6

Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?

I use SPB Mobile shell, SPB Diary and SPB weather...
I had no memory problems with these three when testing either lvsw or mUn ROM.

KamaL said:
Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?
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I use iLauncher, for me it works well without being too "heavy".

lvsw said:
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers

alchemax said:
Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
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read the post
lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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*****NOOB WITH A JAMin***%#$%#$%$#%$#%$#%$#%$#%#

Hi guys,
Recently i have just purchased a brand new I-MATE jamin...i have been using it for over a week and have noticed a few things...
In the instructions manual it makes reference to some additional programs such as "skype" , "smart dialer" and "clearVUE pdf reader"....however when i recieved my phone, it did not come with these applications....any suggestions?
Also i have noticed that the included battery only lasts for MAX of 1 and a half days of normal usage...i dont use WIFI or BLUETOOTH often...just mainly use it as a phone..also the screen brightness is adjusted to the 2nd lowest scale...is the battery use normal ??? Also is it safe to buy one of those after market batteries from ebay as use it as a secondary battery????
Also i have read from various sources that the ROM of the jamin can be upgraded, although i have no idea how to do so..can anyone point me in the right direction? At the moment the specs of my JAMin are:
Rom version: 2.13.9.23 WWE
ROM date: 2/23/06
Radio version: 1_02.20.21
Protocol version: 4.1.13.9
IPL: 2.13.0001
SPL: 2.13.0001
I have no clue as to what the numbers mean except for the ROM...can anyone please tell me what the other numbers such as IPL and SPL mean? Also can anyone suggest any ROMs??
Sorry for so many questions...i am truly a noob with a JAMin...
thanks guys

YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE READING AND A LITTLE LESS ASKING
just kidding.... welcome to the forum... No n00b bashing from me...
coz then I'd have to bash myself too
1. You can download skype from the skype website - try it if you have friends that use skype.
I haven't bothered as it takes a lot of CPU, and I think it can only use the headset or the speaker on the back of the phone.
You can download clearvue pdf reader, but I prefer adobe reader lite...
smartdial AFAIK is just what happens when you are typing a number to call, and the phone picks out matching contacts before you finish typing.
2. yeah, battery is lame. Go and live next door to a mobile phone transmitter, that will help
Seriously a lot of people get a spare battery, you could try underclocking the phone using "batterystatus", but then you will lose speed.
Make sure you have the power setting to turn off when not used (it still receives calls)
3. yes you can upgrade wm6 is shiny and new but there are bugs reported in pretty much every WM6 ROM so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310452
I'm using TNT professional right now, it's pretty nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330289
ipl=initial program loader
spl=secondary program loader
this is the bootloader, this runs before Windows loads up.
Sometimes if there is a problem upgrading you can fix it by writing a new ROM in bootloader mode
from the wiki
(http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet)
[one of the] ways to enter the bootloader on the Prophet:
Hold down the camera button and reset the device. (Boot Loader Mode is: Press Camera + Soft Reset, then release soft reset and keep pressing camera button till appear the Boot Loader.)
This will start the bootloader, and red/green/blue colour bands will be displayed on the device.
Once the colour bands are displayed you can connect to the device via USB.
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triplejay said:
YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE READING AND A LITTLE LESS ASKING
just kidding.... welcome to the forum... No n00b bashing from me...
coz then I'd have to bash myself too
1. You can download skype from the skype website - try it if you have friends that use skype.
I haven't bothered as it takes a lot of CPU, and I think it can only use the headset or the speaker on the back of the phone.
You can download clearvue pdf reader, but I prefer adobe reader lite...
smartdial AFAIK is just what happens when you are typing a number to call, and the phone picks out matching contacts before you finish typing.
2. yeah, battery is lame. Go and live next door to a mobile phone transmitter, that will help
Seriously a lot of people get a spare battery, you could try underclocking the phone using "batterystatus", but then you will lose speed.
Make sure you have the power setting to turn off when not used (it still receives calls)
3. yes you can upgrade wm6 is shiny and new but there are bugs reported in pretty much every WM6 ROM so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310452
I'm using TNT professional right now, it's pretty nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330289
ipl=initial program loader
spl=secondary program loader
this is the bootloader, this runs before Windows loads up.
Sometimes if there is a problem upgrading you can fix it by writing a new ROM in bootloader mode
from the wiki
(http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet)
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THanks for the reply triplejay,
As far as i know, my JAMin doesn't come with smartdialer at all!!! When i dial numbers, it doesnt match any of them before i finish typing!! Could this be due to the version of my ROM??
Also with regards to ROMs, is it better to upgrade to a newer ORIGINAL ROM (ie. a ROM date is made by I-MATE) or should I upgrade to one of the "aftermarket ROMs found on this website?

JAMinGUY said:
As far as i know, my JAMin doesn't come with smartdialer at all!!! When i dial numbers, it doesnt match any of them before i finish typing!! Could this be due to the version of my ROM??
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could be, not too sure about smartdial to be honest
JAMinGUY said:
Also with regards to ROMs, is it better to upgrade to a newer ORIGINAL ROM (ie. a ROM date is made by I-MATE) or should I upgrade to one of the "aftermarket ROMs found on this website?
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well, if you depend on your phone for work or anything, I'd suggest sticking with an official ROM for now. If you don't mind the odd bug*, then join the "aftermarket" club!
*e.g. bluetooth stereo headsets work with good quality on the newest ROMS, however every time I reset the phone I have to re-pair the headset with it.
Internet works well, good integration of Windows Live, however, sometimes after a reset I have to re-confirm the internet settings for it to work.
Those are the only two I've experienced with this ROM (TNT)
You might want to wait a bit, newer ROMS are coming I think, maybe without these bugs...
I attach an example of my today screen on WM6

Hi triple jay,
Your today screen looks totally different to mine...mine is still the original WM 5.0 screen...just wondering, did you make your today screen look like that by just installing the TNT ROM? Or do you have any other programs installed such as WISBAR..
Also after a week of use, i have noticed the BACK SPEAKER of my JAMin to distort occassionally when playing ringtones (set on the HIGHEST sound level)...is my speaker faulty???
Thanks for your help mate

Hi,
1. The lack of application could be due to lack of customization on your unit and it is just a generic wm5 rom. I would suggest a hard reset (not soft but hard reset) , then press the green send button to erase all the data on your handset. Then wait around 3 seconds after the reboot has finished and customization will commence.
2. The speaker most certainly sounds like it has problems, quite common and it will probably fail. They are cheap to purchase off ebay however installation is quite a bit of work.

Hi, regarding my today screen; no Wisbar, I just have Batterystatus installed, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270751,
that's the bottom line u can see there
the rest came with the TNT ROM
The bit above batterystatus where it says "sync" is windows live,
then above that is the htc homeplug (part of the ROM) with custom icons (not made by me)!
Reading the forums, I think quite a lot of people have had troubles with the speaker...
but I just checked mine and it seems to distort a bit on the very loudest setting too, at least with MP3s.
Like grimmy said, installation of a new one is quite a bit of work though so prob. not worth it unless it dies completely....

Hi triplejay,
I have decided not to tamper around with my ROM just yet until i am familiar with the various available ROMs.
I have instead decided to install some today screen plugins such as wisbar,spb pocket plus etc etc . Do you have any suggestions of TODAY screen plugins that don't slow my JAMin down? I have heard that SPB slows the JAMin down and also has some program compatibility issues.
Thanks

Before I updated my ROM I used to use SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus.
There's no denying they take up a lot of space on your device though,
Speed wise, any slowdown seemed negligable, but then I had overclocked from day 1 so that prob. helped.
I haven't tried the latest wisbar, but the older versions I did try seemed quite good. Might try the new version out actually.
There are some freeware alternatives;
claunch is an older one
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
https://sourceforge.net/projects/claunch/
rltoday is pretty cool
http://rotlaus-software.de/
lots of good user made skins on their site
http://rotlaus-software.de/forum/viewforum.php?id=5
I listen to a lot of music so the other thing I used to use was a plug-in that showed media player on the today screen,
e.g. the one at the bottom of this post or the newer HTC one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1318018&postcount=14

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Before I updated my ROM I used to use SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus.
There's no denying they take up a lot of space on your device though,
Speed wise, any slowdown seemed negligable, but then I had overclocked from day 1 so that prob. helped.
I haven't tried the latest wisbar, but the older versions I did try seemed quite good. Might try the new version out actually.
There are some freeware alternatives;
claunch is an older one
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
https://sourceforge.net/projects/claunch/
rltoday is pretty cool
http://rotlaus-software.de/
lots of good user made skins on their site
http://rotlaus-software.de/forum/viewforum.php?id=5
I listen to a lot of music so the other thing I used to use was a plug-in that showed media player on the today screen,
e.g. the one at the bottom of this post or the newer HTC one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1318018&postcount=14
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Hi triplejay,
In regards to using SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus, did you install these programs into your JAMin's phone storage memory or on the SD card? I have heard that installing programs into the phone's SD card causes the programs to run slower because the phone needs time to access the programs..and also how did these programs affect your memory?? used up alot of memory ?? Also would I still be able to set my own today backgrounds using these programs or can i only use the themes designed for these programs???
thanks for your help, your posts have been a lot of help to a newbie like myself

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Hi triplejay,
In regards to using SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus, did you install these programs into your JAMin's phone storage memory or on the SD card? I have heard that installing programs into the phone's SD card causes the programs to run slower because the phone needs time to access the programs..and also how did these programs affect your memory?? used up alot of memory ?? Also would I still be able to set my own today backgrounds using these programs or can i only use the themes designed for these programs???
thanks for your help, your posts have been a lot of help to a newbie like myself
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no problem
I don't think SPB mobile shell gives the option to install to SD card, it's possible with Pocket Plus but not recommended, even by SPB.
I remember reading the following on the SPB site,
and after that always installing stuff that involves the today screen or system to main storage...
We strongly recommend that you not install Spb Pocket Plus to a storage card because storage card drivers can be loaded with up to a 5 second delay after system restart and important files will not be available for loading. One other reason is that Spb Pocket Plus is a system utility and some of its components run in the background. If you remove the storage card Spb Pocket Plus will not be able to load its resources.
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...so the space they take up, is on the device and yes it is a fair amount of memory, maybe a fifth of available memory or something... (not sure)
you should be able to use your own pic for the background with all these I think,
the SPB extended themes for example, will set new system colours etc, with a matching background that you can change as normal.

Hi triplejay,
I have downloaded the trial versions of both SPB pocket plus and mobile shell and will install tonight and let you know how it goes...
Although i still have a couple of questions...
Backup programs such as SKTOOLS or sprite backup...should these be installed into the phone's SD card or the phone's memory ?? Also where should i install games????
Also does anyone know the date of the newest official ROM for the imate JAMin?? I have searched the imate site to no avail...
thanks guys

hey, JAMinGUY,
about the latest imate ROM, I wouldn't know, but looking at this blog post from menneisyys;
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in..._finding_identifying_the&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
and then checking ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/
leads me to believe that the newest available is :
ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/JAMin_WWE_213923_2139123_022021_ship.zip
Could be wrong, just seems to make sense...
I would say definitely put games on the SD card, I've got my backup program (SPB backup) installed on SD too...
the only thing that I would be unsure of is SKtools, but it doesn't seem to run at startup, or run in the background,
so i would say it's probably OK to install to card as well.
...Unless if you did something like ran it off the card, then used it to format the card your running it off. That probably wouldn't be good, lol.

hey guys,
i have been using SPB POCKET PLUS AND SPB MOBILE SHELL (both installed in system memory) for a week now and have noticed some things....
the phone seems slower to respond to screen taps...and also when i lock the phone, sometimes i can't unlock it...i need to soft reset it....
triplejay, do u know of any programs similar to SPB POCKET PLUS that dont have these freezing issues???
cheers mate

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hey guys,
triplejay, do u know of any programs similar to SPB POCKET PLUS that dont have these freezing issues???
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unfortunately not really ...
if u haven't already tried rltoday though, that could be worth a go.
Resco explorer comes with a today plugin, but it's a bit gay, just a few icons, but resco explorer itself is quite good, try the demo if u havent already....
and a couple of threads below this one you will find the htc homeplug (for wm5), personally that homeplug together with batterystatus have filled all my own shortcut related needs....