Hi. I currently have the WM2003 rom. I use my XDAII mainly for medical programs but some of them, especially the UPTODATE medical program, which is a very large one, takes TOO LONG to open and even to search for topics in it. I've read that newer roms make applications run faster. Do you think i should upgrade my XDAII. Shall i install WM2003SE or WM5. I want my rom to be stable.
Thanks
UpToDate and WM5
Hi,
I know that this post has gone unanswered for a long time, but -- being a med student -- I know many health professionals that have encountered these exact same issues.
I have tried UpToDate 15.2 using three devices: An hp hx4700 (WM2003SE), an hp rx1950 (WM5) and a Treo 700wx (WM5).
UpToDate loading times (first load) with Sentry 2020 were as follows (I did the test multiple times on clean devices):
hx4700: 2-4 seconds
rx1950: 6-8 seconds
700wx (312 MHz): 10-15 seconds (Yipes!)
700wx (520 MHz): 9-13 seconds
The Treo 700wx struggles with this application, even when overclocked. I also noticed that it struggles with Skyscape applications as well. After it loads, it's really fast, but gosh -- why the long loading time? For this, I miss the hx4700. I should add that the hx4700 was still speedy with UpToDate, even after installing numerous applications (Wisbar Advance, SPB Diary, Skyscape etc.)
However, notice the huge gap between the rx1950 and the Treo, despite the fact that both of them run WM5. This leads me to believe that WM5's architecture is still capable of running UpToDate really well. RAM doesn't seem to be an issue, either -- The rx1950 has a pathetic amount of RAM (11 MB free), compared the Treo and its 46 MB of free RAM after a hard reset.
I tried to test with the Samsung i760, but the Verizon rep kindly told me not to install anything... (Geez, what's the big deal? I could just hard reset the device when i'm done!)
Perhaps I'll sneak into the store again, and give it another shot with WM6. I'm beginning to think that UpToDate depends more on the device itself (i.e. SDreader/RAM/ROM speed), rather than the OS itself.
with wm5 programs are typicaly present in flash rather then real memory
and reading from flash is slower then mem
so chances are that wm5 on himalaya would run it slower then wm2003
sure running progs in flash would mean that all 128mb ram is used for apps
but i suspect that it's not a mem issue that cause this slow start up
i suspect that it's because alot! of data needs to be loaded
in which case having more memry will not help a bit
Updates with "UpToDate" WM5/WM6
Hey Rudegar, thanks for the feedback. I agree with you 100%.
In case any users stumble upon this forum, I wanted to add that UpToDate performs quite well on both the Samsung i760 and HTC TyTn/Verizon XV6800 (WM6). Loading time is about 6-7 seconds. I also experienced the same results using an HTC TyTn with WM5. UpToDate is very usable on these devices
Looks like the 700wx is the odd one out... It's also interesting how the 700wx has a really low file index score using SPB Benchmark. I wonder how the Treo 750 would perform with UpToDate. Testing with a WM6 Apache (via Helmi's WM6 ROM) would be interesting, too...
But wait, there's more!
After speaking with my colleagues, I've decided to add a bit about issues with medical programs in Windows Mobile.
UpToDate + Lexi-Comp:
If these programs are running at the same time, loading time for Lexi-Comp books will drag. The only workaround I can think of is to not use these two at the same time.
UpToDate + SPB Diary
I think Diary affects the loading time of UpToDate. But maybe it's just me
Lexi-Comp after using Live Search with SD card cache
As you may know, The LiveSearch folder on the SD card has a lot of folders in it... Enough to cause havok when Lexi-Comp is searching for books. With Live Search, I leave the SD card cache option disabled. All devices I've tested load the list of Lexi-Comp books in 3 seconds, even the 700wx.
Skyscape Stuff
No issues here! I've heard rumors of impact on system performance, but I have found no effect so far.
hx4700 with Kozhura WM6 ROM
I just had to try this. Impressive! The loading time for UpToDate is longer (7 seconds), but -- as Rudegar mentioned, that's expected with persisent storage on WM5/6 devices.
So, there you have it. If any physicians out there are having issues with WM UpToDate, Lexi-Comp or Skyscape stuff, hopefully their Google searches will take them here.
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Hello friends
My Jasjar is pretty slow in opening applications. it approximately takes about 7/8 seconds to open anything. is there any solution available to increase its speed?
Khawar
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Khawar said:
Hello friends
My Jasjar is pretty slow in opening applications. it approximately takes about 7/8 seconds to open anything. is there any solution available to increase its speed?
Khawar
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What have you installed in terms of task closers, and uninstalled in terms of Error Reporting, Beaming etc?
in my experience, installing the dialler from the extended rom (o2 or whatever) dramatically slowed down my system. i suggest skip the whole ext rom & install just what you need.
bells and whistles slow the system down
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Plus if you have some memory card indicators such as those found in SPB Pocket Plus, Resco Explorer, Battery Plus, etc... those can slow your Universal too. I tried SPB Pocket Plus before, after 2 minutes of trying, I decided to delete it.
tell us what you have installed, and the locations. we have all tried all sorts and including all spb, all omega one, all resco, and lots and lots of other stuff.
most of it i have ended up uninstalling. now mine runs lightening fast, and does everything that i purchased it for (except for obvious known stupid bugs that imate havent bothered to fix, but acknowledge a fix is required).
So list it and we can fix it.
These forums tell you lots and lots and lots and lots about how to speed up your device, seek and read and you shall find the answer.
i have installed Batti, magic button and Codec software for full screen video in the main memory.
I would suggest that you should un-install Batti.
Keep MagicButton....it's the best task manager and does not cause any slow down to your device.
If you need a today plugin software, the best would be Resco explorer "including Resco Today Plugin" but don't let any battery inicator or storage card indicator on your today screen otherwise it will slow down your device.
I hope this will help you to speed up your device.
Regards,
Is there anybody who can't find his/her Universal veeeeryyyy veerryyyyy sloooow????
If yes, which 3rd party softwares installed?
I'm really thinking about selling it.
I really love VGA, 3G, and other things, but I feel I have 286 PC with a MacG5 hardware chances.
If I want my VGA PDA to run well, I should not install most of appications written nowadays.
I'm really really sad.
What to do?
Who is the hero who finds his toy acceptable?
And HHHHOOOOOWWWWW????
I'm not an amateur - very very not -, but I'd like to use the abilities of the Universal, but it seems, it can't give me its capabilities. I have to chose which app I want very well and which not.
HEEEEEEEELP!!!
SOMEBODYYYYY!!!!
As I said already in other thread, my Exec is running very fast, screen orientation change is very quick, I have no delay in answering phone calls, always over 21-22 Mb memory and it doesn't freeze at all.
I soft reset it every 4-5 days.
Applications that I have now installed (all of them in phone memory) after trying many others are:
- MohairSofa Calendar+ Today PlugIn
- Insignia Solutions JeodeRuntime
- Vijay555 VJOkButt
- Softick Card Export II
- Softatics Corporation xConverter Pro ( great software!!!!)
- Macromedia Flash Player ActiveX
- Handmark Monopoly
- Kasuei Hitchhiker
- Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
- TCPMP The Core Pocket Media Player
- PHM Registry Editor
- GreenSoftware GSFinder+
Everything is running absolutely flawless.
I have UMTS connection avaliable 95% of the times, I'm using Orange UK 3G Sim
My radio is the 1.04 version and I see absolutely no reason for update.
I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed.
Thanx the answer.
"I had many problems before, which seemed to dissapear after a careful selection of software installed." - You wrote
Yes, you are right, but I don't want to be careful to select which software I can use.
I WANT TO USE ALL THE SOFTWARES I USED WITH MY O2 XDAIIi !!!
Why is it a big wish?
It is the same if you buy a laptop, and you can use just WindowsXP with Opera Browser, a 3rd party calculator and some ActiveX plugin.
If this device can use just these few apps without freezing or crashing and with acceptable speed, then this is just ten pence a schilling. ( ) (I just learned this in english)
In this case I'd rather buy a stable, fast and old Nokia phone.
OK. I'm trying to write what I'm using:
With the Storage:
- SBSH iLauncher 2.2
- SBSH Pocket Breeze 5
- Marsware WeatherPanel
- AlarmToday
- DKtoday
- PocketZenphone
- WisbarAdvance2
- Wisbar Desktop
- Dinarsoft HandyMenu
- Dinarsoft MemMaid
- Double Launcher
- Macromedia FlashPlayer
- Spb GPRSmonitor
- XCPUscalar
- PDAmill Topkey
- RescoExplorer
- Novosec SmartFilter
- Sunnysoft BackupManager
- PhatWare PhatPad
- Microsoft VB Runtimes for PPC
- RescoViewer
On Storage Card:
- Resco PocketRadio
- MobiMate WorldMate 2006 professional
- SKtools
- OmegaOne 1-Calc
- Astro WinCE
- PocketMusic
- Cash Organizer 05
- ListPro
- Bryht FlashPlayer
- Opera
- TomTom Navigator 5
- Aeromap VR3
- CheckNotifications
- Tweaks2k2
- PocketMechanic
- System Monitor Pro
- eWallet
- VITO MobileDownloader
- VITO SoundExplorer
- WiFiFoFum
- OutlookCleaner
- PocketEarth
- PocketWorldInfo
- SpbImageer
- XnView Pocket
- PocketArtist
.........and many more with a lot of games in 2GB SD
I know this is not a small list but I used all of these on my 2020i without any problem. I used PocketInformant too but I found it really slow on Universal so I decided not to install it.
Maybe You have a question: then why do not use 2020i?
Simple answer: I really hate HTC showing me what is a VGA PDA with 3G.
That is why. I fuc*ing love it and I feel I cannot live without VGA and 3G.
So, if somebody has some experience in upper softs and knows errors or bugs with using them on Universal, please write it to me.
Sorry, but I will never believe that you need and are using all of these applications. And this is definitely the list to slow down your universal.
I like to keep my PC and Pocket PC clean and install only what I need, not what I MAY USE ONE DAY. Clutter is not good in any situation!
And so far it works for me.
And another thing is that many of the applications you have installed are enormous in size: Pocket Breeze, SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance, MobiMate World Mate Pro,Wisbar Desktop. And there is plenty applications doing the same things which are not only many times smaller in size, faster, and free. Like for example Pocket Breeze and Calendar+ or SPB Pocket Plus and VJOKbutt and VJTrayLaunch.
And don't you think that you sound silly and childish when you say that because you don't want uninstall few of these applications you will stop yourself from using all of them and buy a Nokia. :lol: Go for it, in the meantime I will enjoy using my fast, reliable Exec with all the applications I need...
In one part you have right in other part you don't have.
If you believe or not I'm using almost all of these applications almost every day.
Maybe I can find some which I really don't need but which you wrote in your slowapps-list I really love and if these are forbidden softs with a PDA I'm not sure I'd like to use them.
BUT!!!!
I've been using PDA-phones for years!!!!
I have not any problems with speed and stability before.
I used all of these applications.
WHY IS IT PROBLEM FOR THE NEWEST AND MOST EQUIPPED PDA??????
I'm not able to accept this.
(Spb PocketPlus I'm not using, I found it slower than other slow applications)
Tuningszocske said:
I'm not able to accept this.
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Is that a threat? :wink: :lol:
Good night/morning...Enjoy your new Nokia :lol:
Yes, this is a threat.
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it.
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:
been smoking something? :twisted:
Frankly I understand your angst and kind of feel cheated myself after spending so much money on the Exec. Right now I am down to barebones in terms of the s/w that I have installed on it and inspite of that, it is really slow. One realises how slow the Exec is after having used the XDAII which was blazing fast with at least 3 times more s/w installed. I still have the XDA II and just checked it again... boy it is FAST!
Understandably, I too am dissapointed with this device.
Cheers, Vikas.
Tuningszocske said:
Yes, this is a threat.
Real problem is I'm in a special relationship with my Universal: Hate&Love.
I can't live with and without it.
Maybe I should find a specialist?
Is it a psychic problem now? :roll:
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@Tuningszocske
Same here. love and hate.
With my Nokia 9500 I never worried about how much s/w I installed (especailly with 80mb of user storage) but with my Exec I now only use Agenda Fusion, MS Reader (which is buggy), Opera & Mobireader.
Personally I don't think the problem is from the device itself, but the software. WM5 seems to run a lot slower than 2003SE, and even with faster CPUs and more memory, it's kinda like trying to run Windows XP on a Pentium 500... In other words, we'll need to wait for the hardware to mature and specs to be much more advanced to run WM5 at full speed. The hardware manufacturers also have to learn to use the new functions of the new OS, and learn to work around its quirks, but this can be solved by firmware updates.
So yeah, the Universal is great, as long as you keep things relatively simple with it.
Answering your question is a bit of a personal preference. But for me, I am very happy with my EXEC. This is my first Pocket PC coming from a TH55/E1 Palm OS. Anyone who owned a TH55 knows it only can run applications at 144 MHz, with tons of applications installed it was very slow in opening applicaions, but once opened it runs smoothly. So for me, coming from a slow device to my EXEC is like a blessing. PLUS, as mentioned above, I only install applications that I really use and tend not to clutter my 2GB SD card which I use mostly for keeping my MP3s and Movies. I have no complaints so far. I never had any of the problems described in some threads like being slow, delayed rings, bluetooth problems, etc...
more than happy with it, only a few gripes, but that is towards the 3rd party applications with exception of the lack of a backup function, in general it is fast enough, considering it is a pda phone.
for speed, I just whip out my Sony VAIO laptop not as portable nor as light, but each has there uses
this however looks very interesting
http://www.dualcor.com/photos.php
Blue Angel and V3i
Hi all,
Yes - despite having an SPV for over a year (Palm os Treo 600 before that), I must say I'm still forced to draw one conclusion:
Bloated OS on an underpowered device.
I had hoped that after the CE days they would have sorted this out, but had so many problems with my BA being slow and hanging (how cool is it to say "sorry, my ohone just crashed?!"), I did look at the M5000 (wizzard).
I may be wrong on this but I believe the main problems with the BA - namely battery life, memory and cpu speed - weren't upgraded for the wizzard. And, unfortunately, I had to decide that the Wizard is just TOO BIG.
IS it me, but does anyone actually NEED the h/wkeyboard?
So, am going on with a barebones BA, and have bought a motorola V31 as a "propr phone"! Hopefully when i come to replac my phone in 12 months time, things will have got much faster and better in PPC phones....
Yes, I know they can do some very cool things, but I really didnt find the BA a very reliable phone.
Perhaps it's too cumbersome for a phone, and too small for a laptop?
Right idea - keep going - lets see where we are in a year!!
man how people complain...
dont like it, sell it, simple
i dont have a hate relationship at all, i just love it all the way...
i use lots, but again selective, even my existing configurations can make the device run slow, so i just dont use them for a while and switch them back on when I want to change it.
I have the perfect, fast efficient machine, and if I want to make it look pretty, make it do more functions simultaneously, I accept that it will slow down. Try loading any computer up with 60% - 80% drain on its available ram and its gonna slow down.
The issues are nearly all with the third party applications, the bare bones machine with minimal extended rom installs means I also dont miss a call, rings on the second ring, screen rotation the first time is sub 2 seconds, and subsequently sub 1 second.
I love the bluetooth, keyboard, vga, 3 g, I also like the clam close to protect my screen so that I dont need a case, it just fits in the pocket if I am not wearing tight jeans....
Device is SPB PP (beta), SPB Diary, SPB Weather, SPB Backup (Beta), Resco Explorer, M$VC, KSE True Fax
Card... TCPMP, Resco Audio, Resco Radio, Resco Pictures, Wizbar 2 and Desktop (to play not use), 1 Calc, MS Reader, Bluepoint world and earth, and games
Yes you have to be choosy on your apps, but these are the software developers fault for not correctly utilising and keeping upto date with the change in technology, the permanent storage rather than pure RAM, and thus calling permanent storage information into RAM whn it is in storage.
We wanted permanent storage, but the developers have written applications for the the 2003/SE system and "adapted" to the WM2005 system, and it isnt that adaptable.
They must catch up , they will catch up, but dont whinge about your phone, it works, it works well, the apps are the are that screw it up.
Again, dont like it, sell it, stop whinging, some of you guys sound worse that my missus....
This is not a whinge forum, it is a help and contribute forum to share and develop knowledge.
@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.
jah said:
@simon_darley, okay a balancing view. But lets not promote the Universal as being fault free because this is not true: SMS causing freezing, delayed call alert and loss of data after soft reset. Not making this up, I have suffered these problems.
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Hello,
I have a QTEK 9000 and:
1. SMS never froze
2. Call Alert always rings in my phone mid-first-ring (i use a 50k mp3)
3. data loss after soft? not sure what this is about
What ROM are you using BTW? Just curious.
@Jorgee, suggest you have a quick look at this forum. There are lots of threads about the problems I mentioned. Regarding the call alert, I have now installed the new Radio ROM and there are significant improvements for finding a weak signal and call alert is also much better. The SMS freez was with my JJ which I have now sold. The loss of data - again the architecture of the Universal does mean this can happen. If RAM data is not written to ROM because of a fault. Again lots of posts on this here at this forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/vie...s=0&postorder=asc&highlight=sms+freez&start=0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34724&highlight=sms+freez
Hey all,
I'm new to WM5 (or WM for that matters) and picked up my MDA from Tmobile a few days ago. I noticed windows becomes very sluggish at times (takes a long time for a key response). It's so slow sometimes it looks like it has hung in between program changes
I'm just running the basic programs that came with the phone and not using SD card at all.
Is this because I'm running low on Program memory? I noticed my program is at around 5 MB when this happens.
Should this even be happening w/ the basic apps? It seems to help when I start stop some of the running programs.
I hope I don't have OC the damn thing to run basic apps.
ROM version: 1.8.10.2 WWE (any better out there?)
ROM date: 12/10/05
I have an 8125 and it can get slow when running a few large programs of things. Like PIE or Opera & Media Player or Core. I will also tell you that its not an extremely fast device but it is in part due to the fact that programs are not writen to utilize the processor the Wizard has. That's what I have come to understand atleast. If anyone else has input on it please share.
Later; Lew
I was hoping Opera would be less "fat" but from you have indicated that might not be the case. I wonder if Verizon's XV6700 make a difference in speed since their version is 400mhz.
I figure they're pretty much the same device and decided to go w/ TMobile since it's GSM.
Back to the slow issue, I notice the apps don't really close even if you close them. I have go to System to manually stop them to get the RAM back. Is that normal?
It is also slow because of memory design. There are more topics on this. You can't lose data when battery is empty, but type of memory used is slower.
Well thats a trade I am willing to make. I was always checking my battery on my SX66. Now atleast I can relax and jsut use the device. The 6700 from verizon should run these apps faster because it has a normal but higher speed procesor. It is 400 mhz but not dual core. Where as the Wizard is 200 (195) mhz Dual Core. I think that if apps were writen to utilize this they would run much better, as fast as the 400mhz.
Later; Lew
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
street_hawk said:
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
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That doesn't make sense, unless you were constantly running skype. Just having skype installed doesn't slow down the device. I have it installed, and there are no resources being used if I don't launch it.
Optical,
Have you applied the various reg hacks (WM5 Cache, and Glyphecache) yet? They do make a difference.
Skype has a minimum processor speed requirement, quite clearly stated on their website, which the XDA Mini unfortunately does not meet. Again, unfortunately that is the only version you can use for it since earlier Skype builds will not run at all under WM5. One trick is to run Skype from the MiniSD card which has the advantage of freeing up precious RAM, in fact I would recommend you only install any new applications onto the MiniSD card.
Skype
In my case I found a noticeable improvement once I uninstalled Skype. It wasn't running constantly. I regularly checked the Task Manager closing all unnecessary apps as it was so slow.
Might just be me though!
optical said:
Hey all,
I'm new to WM5 (or WM for that matters) and picked up my MDA from Tmobile a few days ago. I noticed windows becomes very sluggish at times (takes a long time for a key response). It's so slow sometimes it looks like it has hung in between program changes
I'm just running the basic programs that came with the phone and not using SD card at all.
Is this because I'm running low on Program memory? I noticed my program is at around 5 MB when this happens.
Should this even be happening w/ the basic apps? It seems to help when I start stop some of the running programs.
I hope I don't have OC the damn thing to run basic apps.
ROM version: 1.8.10.2 WWE (any better out there?)
ROM date: 12/10/05
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When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
Marvie said:
When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
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Very true.
Another good one that I like using is Battery Pack Pro. The nice little "X" is in the corner of the screen and it lets you "click" the program close like windows normally would. It also lets you click on the "X" to see any running apps and force close them.
I'm just waiting for my miniSD card before I go with the tweaks. I'm just a little surprised at what I have to do to just run the apps the OS came with. I guess I had a higher expectation for this device as for performance. You would think 64MB on a phone device is enough!
I noticed one of the tweaks is references the GPS. What is that about? Is that referring to GPS as in GPS receiver? =)
I got a BT receiver and planning to use it but I would love to be surprised about the GPS feature.
JNGold said:
street_hawk said:
Do you have Skype installed?
My xda mini S became extremely slow a month ago or so. It was pretty much unusable. Once I uninstalled Skype there was a massive speed increase.
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That doesn't make sense, unless you were constantly running skype. Just having skype installed doesn't slow down the device. I have it installed, and there are no resources being used if I don't launch it.
Optical,
Have you applied the various reg hacks (WM5 Cache, and Glyphecache) yet? They do make a difference.
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I will definitely give it a try. Please keep the great tips coming!
FalconGrey said:
Marvie said:
When you close programs in Windows Mobile they are not realy stopped!!
Thats why your memory is around 5 mb after a while.
If you want to stop programs at once, you need some special programs like SPB Pocket Plus.
May be this will help your memory loss and slow ppc.
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Very true.
Another good one that I like using is Battery Pack Pro. The nice little "X" is in the corner of the screen and it lets you "click" the program close like windows normally would. It also lets you click on the "X" to see any running apps and force close them.
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Sampsons WM5 rom for Titan runs better than WM6 (read on)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=10780
Checkout the WM5 fallback ROM for the Mogul. It replaces the messed up Oct 27th rubbish, fixes the Memory leak (or WM6 crappy mem manager) and leaves you with 20-28 megs free on bootup (based on what you install), does not end up having memory issues with Picsel browser (PPCGeeks version), Removes all the junk that Sprint installs, 189 Megs free after ROM install. Pocket Explorer works (a little wonky as the Active X controls seem to be dated comapared to WM6). Here is the file on Megaupload....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E6VQ9GKP
I used the ROM Unlocker from XDA forum for the Mogul before installing this ROM. I have better battery life, more memory, less hangups.
Try at your own risk. Also works well with Touch Commander ($15 retail) http://www.touch-commander.com/
Use Touch Commander with Sampsons WM5 Rom on Mogul
If you are torn between the Mogul and the HTC Touch try this fix.....
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Download the Sampson Rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341977)
and Touch Commander ($15 retail at http://www.touch-commander.com/)
I am getting 22 Megs free and with Touch Commander running 16-17 Megs free. No out of memory issues and the memory stays stable all day. Unless HTC worked a miracle with WM6 or downgraded the Touch to WM5 you will have memory issues with the HTC Touch.
Also able to run memory intensive apps like Picsel (PPCGeeks version ftp://ppcgeeks:[email protected] )
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ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
In all honesty, WM5 may run smoother on the titan, but you DO give up some things that WM6 offers that may be important to some people. The touch has those things, WM5 does not.
Also, why spend money on a touchflo clone when there are free ones that are being developed? Some of them work VERY well, and are always adding new features... and work with WM5 OR WM6.
And one final thought-
even if your PPC runs smoothly and has a touch interface clone, it won't be as smooth as the actual touch.
Why?
Because the TouchFlo relies on the physical shape of the screen to work: The sensitivity of the touch pad actually reaches below the viewable area. You start your finger below the screen, and move it toward the top. This brings up your shortcuts.
All of the other Pocket PC's out there are touch sensitive only over the viewable screen. This means that it is very easy to set off the down-up motion by accident. I've used a few of them with FTouchFlo, and when I'm scrolling through a list with my finger, it usually accidentally triggers the shortcut menu. The cube programs are a novelty, perhaps useful with the right hardware (The Touch), but otherwise this is hardly a "as good as" solution.
If you can create a rom that doesn't accidentally trigger the touch commands and runs WM6, then we'd have something to talk about...
Dishe said:
ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
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Is there a link anywhere for the DCD clean WM6 ROM?
Doug
check the flashing tutorial over at ppcgeeks.
Some really great guy wrote it, and has all you need to know.
Let me first say, I'm pretty new to all this and i'm sorry for maybe asking stupid questions.
I have the German T-Mobile MDA III with Camera and I just recently updated it with one (I don't remember which, most wouldn't work) of helmi's wm6 releases.
My first questions are about the OS or this version:
After there seems to be no ram-disk anymore, and no possibility to decide, how much memory goes to programs and how much to storage, where's all the memory gone and how can anybody live with just 43mb storage, that's not enough for just my basic programs, because with office, tcpmp, spb pocketplus and spb online it's more than full and i hardly have space for emails, IE cache or rss cache, and even after uninstalling everything but tcpmp there's just free space of 11mb, is there a newer, maybe faster version out, with more storage space?
Another thing is: i installed helmi's htc home for wm5, the wm6 version wouldn't work (don't ask me why, i'm pretty new to all this) and i like it allthough spb mobile shell is pretty nice too, but not constantly on the today screen, are there other good "surfaces" i really like this touchflo cube, is there an easy-to-install version for blueangel?
my general point is, i want to update my system again, because the version i have is rather laggy (and slow, sometimes freezes, takes much space) on my device and i want some nice black surface, animated and finger-controlled, having photocontacts, an app-launcher and stuff like that.
Thanks in advance, and sorry again for my lousy english and my beeing a n00b.
Chef_Tony
T-Mobile MDAIII
operator T-Mobile D
CE OS 5.2.2000 (Build 20000.1.0.0.PV.HAT)
in addition
in addition i would like to know whether the bluetooth and wi-fi bugs have been cancelled out, because i can hardly have wireless transfers?
wi-fi always switches off a second after being switched on, but sometimes, when i get it to work, it wouldn't connect to wpa APs, just open and wep s,
and regarding bluetooth, in wm2003se i got used to being able to configure BT properly, choose my devices name and have constant connections and stuff, there's hardly anything you can do in the config and transfers of files wouldn't work either way, in or out, as i can't properly pair up with normal mobiles
Chef_Tony said:
Let me first say, I'm pretty new to all this and i'm sorry for maybe asking stupid questions.
I have the German T-Mobile MDA III with Camera and I just recently updated it with one (I don't remember which, most wouldn't work) of helmi's wm6 releases.
My first questions are about the OS or this version:
After there seems to be no ram-disk anymore, and no possibility to decide, how much memory goes to programs and how much to storage, where's all the memory gone and how can anybody live with just 43mb storage, that's not enough for just my basic programs, because with office, tcpmp, spb pocketplus and spb online it's more than full and i hardly have space for emails, IE cache or rss cache, and even after uninstalling everything but tcpmp there's just free space of 11mb, is there a newer, maybe faster version out, with more storage space?
Another thing is: i installed helmi's htc home for wm5, the wm6 version wouldn't work (don't ask me why, i'm pretty new to all this) and i like it allthough spb mobile shell is pretty nice too, but not constantly on the today screen, are there other good "surfaces" i really like this touchflo cube, is there an easy-to-install version for blueangel?
my general point is, i want to update my system again, because the version i have is rather laggy (and slow, sometimes freezes, takes much space) on my device and i want some nice black surface, animated and finger-controlled, having photocontacts, an app-launcher and stuff like that.
Thanks in advance, and sorry again for my lousy english and my beeing a n00b.
Chef_Tony
T-Mobile MDAIII
operator T-Mobile D
CE OS 5.2.2000 (Build 20000.1.0.0.PV.HAT)
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The 43 Mb of storage means that you did not unlock the Extended Rom in 2003 and/or you did not resize it. Go back to 2003SE and follow the instructions in the wiki on how to upgrade from 2003SE to the latest 2003SE release. Then, once you have unlocked and resized the ExtRom, you will have more storage for your BA and you can upgrade to either WM5 or WM6 (or 6.1)... your choice really.
As far as the memory slider, M$ got rid of that with the introduction of RamDisk (this is preset in the rom by the chef or you can change it by Hex editing your nbf before flashing) in WM5. Don't worry too much about it. If you flash your phone correctly, your storage should be as high as ~90 Mb.
Again, follow the instructions in the wiki (do not skip steps), and you should be ok.
thank you
thank you very much for the quick answer, but could you also give me the link to the latest fast working rom version, i tried downloading the sun_dream roms, but there is just an .nbf file and i don't know how to do that, is that uncompiled or anything, everything else i found already, and what do i have to do to resize the storage space in 2003se, as i may recall, i'm rather new to all this, and i can't flash from my computer, as for some strange reason, whenever i try flashing on vista, in the middle of it, the driver changes and the connection's gone, so i gotta do it from an xp machine, as this seems to be the easiest way to avoid the driver stupidity, vista brought
Just download any of xplode's roms and repalce the nbf with sun_dream's. For some reason, sun never puts the tools needed to upgrade with his roms. And you are right about Vista, it is a pain in the a*&. You are better off using an XP machine if you have access to it. Good luck!