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I tried Magneto on my Himalaya,but I had lot of problems(see 'Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking'). Is it there same problems also for Typhoon? Meaned the biggest problems such as unability to connect via ActiveSync,unability to accept many applications from 2003SE,etc. Someony who has it already tried,please write here your opinions and experiences. Thanx.

On Typhoon, Activesync works perfectly, you can't unlock it, neither for applications, nor to use another sim card, you can't use USSD... Don't load it for the now and wait for the final version.

The Hatred said:
On Typhoon, Activesync works perfectly, you can't unlock it, neither for applications, nor to use another sim card, you can't use USSD... Don't load it for the now and wait for the final version.
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+1 you are right.. it is so early for WM2005. if you load microsoft can test WM 2005 on your phone and you will be cavy...

Will there ever be a stable WM5 for the typhoon?

The Hatred said:
On Typhoon, Activesync works perfectly, you can't unlock it, neither for applications, nor to use another sim card, you can't use USSD... Don't load it for the now and wait for the final version.
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It can be application unlocked very easily with a simple registry change.
I dont see the problems eveyone is having with the typhoon with wm 5, its very stable I dont get any crashes or lockups any more. Tom tom 5 even works relaibly. The only downfall is the camera, which im sure there will be a fix.

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I am still interesting about the applications. WM5 needs applications designed especially for this OS or accepts also the apps,which are running also on WM2003(se)? My Himalaya,while running on Magneto,wants not accept lot of the software that I am using with WM2003se normally...

I've been running WM5 on Typhoon for 1 week.
It's awesome. (totally happy, no issues with anything)
The WM5 GUI look & feel is much better for everythying
It seems faster
I really enjoy having photo/ring-tone based contacts built in.
radio seems to aquire quicker
Active Sync over GPRS and IMAP mail is MUCH faster!
I also recommend Pocket Controller Professional. You can control any pocket pc or smartphone from your computer! (and sync files, etc etc) It comes with “skins” so it looks like your whole phone is up on the screen. (very nice to "type" in stuff now and then too) Works great on the Typhoon with WM5 so far.
The Tornado should be interesting in Oct. (similar size + WiFi + EDGE)

s4czech or anyone else, could you please indicate me a link where to find a complete explanation on how to upgrade to WM5?
I already downloaded the upgrade, but as I donno the procedure all I get is error' messages that this or that is missing... Thanks!

Prerna said:
s4czech or anyone else, could you please indicate me a link where to find a complete explanation on how to upgrade to WM5?
I already downloaded the upgrade, but as I donno the procedure all I get is error' messages that this or that is missing... Thanks!
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Everythng is explained in this thread.
Cheers
hrb
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=23368
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Software on WM5
TomasNM said:
I am still interesting about the applications. WM5 needs applications designed especially for this OS or accepts also the apps,which are running also on WM2003(se)? My Himalaya,while running on Magneto,wants not accept lot of the software that I am using with WM2003se normally...
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I am using WM 5 on my C500 (Typhoon). It runs very well, stable and fast. I have installed the following Software (tested and running). Except Power Task, they are all WM2K3 Apps
- CityTime Alarms
- Developerone Power Tasks (WM5 Version)
- Fizz Traveller 2
- Fizz Monitor
- TCPMP
- WordPad
- Blackjack
- Facade from SBSH (new)
- Opera for Mobile (new)
- Papyrus from SBSH (new)
- GPRS Traffic Counter (new)
And that's basically all I need
Cheers
Hans

The Ultimate Universal Setup...

Well having been a member of this forum now for a few months I have learned many valuable things. Extended Roms... new software... accessories... flashing... and the list goes on and on... I thank you all for the education. That being said the time has come to choose the Ultimate setup and flash/setup this device one last time (for a while anyway so I wanted to poll the community and see what others are running on their Universals...
1. What Carrier/Radio Version (QTEK, IMATE, O2, TMOBILE etc...)
2. What's in the Extended Rom...
3. What reg hacks...
4. What software is installed on the device... (today plugins etc...)
5. What software is installed on the SD Card...
If you all like I will post the results in a report and we can see what people are really using on their devices.
Again... I want to thank everybody on the forum who so freely shares his information and hard work. Let's keep donating to this site and keep it humming along.
Cyberslinger

for starters
Yeah this forum is great! From what I've picked up here, I decided to put smallmenu, total commander, and gsplayer in my Extended ROM.
I also like using OzVGA and the Opera browser.
I use Pocket Informant for the PIM stuff, and e-wallet for the more confidential stuff.
I'm in the medical field, and I like the Skyscape medical references.
I also have the core media player and pocket artist. Almost forgot, I use MS Voice Command with my bluetooth headset.
Besides the programs in Extended ROM, pretty much everything else except Voice Command is installed to the SD card.
For games, I mostly play bubble breaker, but I have Doom, Snails, Flux Challenge, and tried the demo for sealball. The Universal is not a great gaming machine IMO, but generally I am VERY happy with my setup.

cyberslinger said:
1. What Carrier/Radio Version (QTEK, IMATE, O2, TMOBILE etc...)
2. What's in the Extended Rom...
3. What reg hacks...
4. What software is installed on the device... (today plugins etc...)
5. What software is installed on the SD Card...
Cyberslinger
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1) DOPOD900
2) Didnt check anymore
3) Just the Ringer hack
4) Resco Explorer/Today Plug In, VJSMS, Microsoft Reader, Games (Bookworm,Zuma), Memmaid, TCPMP, GSPPocketPlus
5) SPB Package Trial (nearing the end of trial period), NoviiRemote,
Hope this helps your poll...

1. What Carrier/Radio Version (QTEK, IMATE, O2, TMOBILE etc...)
2. What's in the Extended Rom...
3. What reg hacks...
4. What software is installed on the device... (today plugins etc...)
5. What software is installed on the SD Card...
1. Imate, standard rom available on the site
2. Dont care, I dont install any of it except the communication carrier (telstra) and the bluetooth patch. This gives me a 31 meg startup RAM excluding today and additional startups installed by choice.
3. Limited, MSVC hack for blue tooth (I have done lots in the past, but no real impact that I found beneficial so didnt bother on the last hard reset last week).
4. SPB Pocket Plus (beta 3.1), SPB Weather, SPB Diary, SPB Backup (beta 1.0), Resco Explorer/ftp/reg, MSVC, KSE True Fax
5. Total Commander, Oxios, FeederReeder, TCPMP, Resco Audio, Resco Radio, Resco Photos, Wisbar Advance and Wisbar Desktop (Wisbar is really just play and fun, I would never load today screen configurations from an SD card), Blue Point Earth and Blue Point World Info, Pocket RAR, Microsoft E Reader, Omega One 1 Calc, and Paint. Only game installed Resco Guardians.
Using the SPB backup beta, when I did a hard reset, I did a perfect backup using SPB for all device software with all my tweaks and adjustments, passwords, settings, configurations, wifi and bluetooth settings and passwords, hit most of my sites and put in my user names and passwords and auto login.
Now, when I restore, everything is perfect. I also then did a second with all my perfect apps installed to the SD card, and registered them all and setup all those tweaks, and did another backup. I now have my "virgin" machine, and my "custom" machine.
I also extracted all of the cab files for all of the software, including the entire extended rom and copied them to my SD card for easier and quicker installation and access without needing activesync.
I can now do a full hard reset and configure in about 5 minutes. Startup RAM is now 28meg, but with SPB PP, Weather, and Diary is about 22meg runs down to 12 meg then soft reset. Screen rotation first time is 3 seconds, then sub 1 second on subsequent rotations depending on the next reset.
So overall, and in essence, I am totally f..kin ecstatic with my setup (taken about 10 attempts to get to this)

great post...
Very Informative Simon. I believe that you have a great system for preserving your setup. I will defintely be incorporating it into my ultimate setup.
Good stuff here guys.. keep it coming.
Cyb

*****NOOB WITH A JAMin***%#$%#$%$#%$#%$#%$#%$#%#

Hi guys,
Recently i have just purchased a brand new I-MATE jamin...i have been using it for over a week and have noticed a few things...
In the instructions manual it makes reference to some additional programs such as "skype" , "smart dialer" and "clearVUE pdf reader"....however when i recieved my phone, it did not come with these applications....any suggestions?
Also i have noticed that the included battery only lasts for MAX of 1 and a half days of normal usage...i dont use WIFI or BLUETOOTH often...just mainly use it as a phone..also the screen brightness is adjusted to the 2nd lowest scale...is the battery use normal ??? Also is it safe to buy one of those after market batteries from ebay as use it as a secondary battery????
Also i have read from various sources that the ROM of the jamin can be upgraded, although i have no idea how to do so..can anyone point me in the right direction? At the moment the specs of my JAMin are:
Rom version: 2.13.9.23 WWE
ROM date: 2/23/06
Radio version: 1_02.20.21
Protocol version: 4.1.13.9
IPL: 2.13.0001
SPL: 2.13.0001
I have no clue as to what the numbers mean except for the ROM...can anyone please tell me what the other numbers such as IPL and SPL mean? Also can anyone suggest any ROMs??
Sorry for so many questions...i am truly a noob with a JAMin...
thanks guys

YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE READING AND A LITTLE LESS ASKING
just kidding.... welcome to the forum... No n00b bashing from me...
coz then I'd have to bash myself too
1. You can download skype from the skype website - try it if you have friends that use skype.
I haven't bothered as it takes a lot of CPU, and I think it can only use the headset or the speaker on the back of the phone.
You can download clearvue pdf reader, but I prefer adobe reader lite...
smartdial AFAIK is just what happens when you are typing a number to call, and the phone picks out matching contacts before you finish typing.
2. yeah, battery is lame. Go and live next door to a mobile phone transmitter, that will help
Seriously a lot of people get a spare battery, you could try underclocking the phone using "batterystatus", but then you will lose speed.
Make sure you have the power setting to turn off when not used (it still receives calls)
3. yes you can upgrade wm6 is shiny and new but there are bugs reported in pretty much every WM6 ROM so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310452
I'm using TNT professional right now, it's pretty nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330289
ipl=initial program loader
spl=secondary program loader
this is the bootloader, this runs before Windows loads up.
Sometimes if there is a problem upgrading you can fix it by writing a new ROM in bootloader mode
from the wiki
(http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet)
[one of the] ways to enter the bootloader on the Prophet:
Hold down the camera button and reset the device. (Boot Loader Mode is: Press Camera + Soft Reset, then release soft reset and keep pressing camera button till appear the Boot Loader.)
This will start the bootloader, and red/green/blue colour bands will be displayed on the device.
Once the colour bands are displayed you can connect to the device via USB.
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triplejay said:
YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE READING AND A LITTLE LESS ASKING
just kidding.... welcome to the forum... No n00b bashing from me...
coz then I'd have to bash myself too
1. You can download skype from the skype website - try it if you have friends that use skype.
I haven't bothered as it takes a lot of CPU, and I think it can only use the headset or the speaker on the back of the phone.
You can download clearvue pdf reader, but I prefer adobe reader lite...
smartdial AFAIK is just what happens when you are typing a number to call, and the phone picks out matching contacts before you finish typing.
2. yeah, battery is lame. Go and live next door to a mobile phone transmitter, that will help
Seriously a lot of people get a spare battery, you could try underclocking the phone using "batterystatus", but then you will lose speed.
Make sure you have the power setting to turn off when not used (it still receives calls)
3. yes you can upgrade wm6 is shiny and new but there are bugs reported in pretty much every WM6 ROM so far.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310452
I'm using TNT professional right now, it's pretty nice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330289
ipl=initial program loader
spl=secondary program loader
this is the bootloader, this runs before Windows loads up.
Sometimes if there is a problem upgrading you can fix it by writing a new ROM in bootloader mode
from the wiki
(http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Prophet)
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THanks for the reply triplejay,
As far as i know, my JAMin doesn't come with smartdialer at all!!! When i dial numbers, it doesnt match any of them before i finish typing!! Could this be due to the version of my ROM??
Also with regards to ROMs, is it better to upgrade to a newer ORIGINAL ROM (ie. a ROM date is made by I-MATE) or should I upgrade to one of the "aftermarket ROMs found on this website?

JAMinGUY said:
As far as i know, my JAMin doesn't come with smartdialer at all!!! When i dial numbers, it doesnt match any of them before i finish typing!! Could this be due to the version of my ROM??
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could be, not too sure about smartdial to be honest
JAMinGUY said:
Also with regards to ROMs, is it better to upgrade to a newer ORIGINAL ROM (ie. a ROM date is made by I-MATE) or should I upgrade to one of the "aftermarket ROMs found on this website?
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well, if you depend on your phone for work or anything, I'd suggest sticking with an official ROM for now. If you don't mind the odd bug*, then join the "aftermarket" club!
*e.g. bluetooth stereo headsets work with good quality on the newest ROMS, however every time I reset the phone I have to re-pair the headset with it.
Internet works well, good integration of Windows Live, however, sometimes after a reset I have to re-confirm the internet settings for it to work.
Those are the only two I've experienced with this ROM (TNT)
You might want to wait a bit, newer ROMS are coming I think, maybe without these bugs...
I attach an example of my today screen on WM6

Hi triple jay,
Your today screen looks totally different to mine...mine is still the original WM 5.0 screen...just wondering, did you make your today screen look like that by just installing the TNT ROM? Or do you have any other programs installed such as WISBAR..
Also after a week of use, i have noticed the BACK SPEAKER of my JAMin to distort occassionally when playing ringtones (set on the HIGHEST sound level)...is my speaker faulty???
Thanks for your help mate

Hi,
1. The lack of application could be due to lack of customization on your unit and it is just a generic wm5 rom. I would suggest a hard reset (not soft but hard reset) , then press the green send button to erase all the data on your handset. Then wait around 3 seconds after the reboot has finished and customization will commence.
2. The speaker most certainly sounds like it has problems, quite common and it will probably fail. They are cheap to purchase off ebay however installation is quite a bit of work.

Hi, regarding my today screen; no Wisbar, I just have Batterystatus installed, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270751,
that's the bottom line u can see there
the rest came with the TNT ROM
The bit above batterystatus where it says "sync" is windows live,
then above that is the htc homeplug (part of the ROM) with custom icons (not made by me)!
Reading the forums, I think quite a lot of people have had troubles with the speaker...
but I just checked mine and it seems to distort a bit on the very loudest setting too, at least with MP3s.
Like grimmy said, installation of a new one is quite a bit of work though so prob. not worth it unless it dies completely....

Hi triplejay,
I have decided not to tamper around with my ROM just yet until i am familiar with the various available ROMs.
I have instead decided to install some today screen plugins such as wisbar,spb pocket plus etc etc . Do you have any suggestions of TODAY screen plugins that don't slow my JAMin down? I have heard that SPB slows the JAMin down and also has some program compatibility issues.
Thanks

Before I updated my ROM I used to use SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus.
There's no denying they take up a lot of space on your device though,
Speed wise, any slowdown seemed negligable, but then I had overclocked from day 1 so that prob. helped.
I haven't tried the latest wisbar, but the older versions I did try seemed quite good. Might try the new version out actually.
There are some freeware alternatives;
claunch is an older one
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
https://sourceforge.net/projects/claunch/
rltoday is pretty cool
http://rotlaus-software.de/
lots of good user made skins on their site
http://rotlaus-software.de/forum/viewforum.php?id=5
I listen to a lot of music so the other thing I used to use was a plug-in that showed media player on the today screen,
e.g. the one at the bottom of this post or the newer HTC one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1318018&postcount=14

triplejay said:
Before I updated my ROM I used to use SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus.
There's no denying they take up a lot of space on your device though,
Speed wise, any slowdown seemed negligable, but then I had overclocked from day 1 so that prob. helped.
I haven't tried the latest wisbar, but the older versions I did try seemed quite good. Might try the new version out actually.
There are some freeware alternatives;
claunch is an older one
http://home.pacific.net.sg/~welic/claunch.html
https://sourceforge.net/projects/claunch/
rltoday is pretty cool
http://rotlaus-software.de/
lots of good user made skins on their site
http://rotlaus-software.de/forum/viewforum.php?id=5
I listen to a lot of music so the other thing I used to use was a plug-in that showed media player on the today screen,
e.g. the one at the bottom of this post or the newer HTC one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1318018&postcount=14
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Hi triplejay,
In regards to using SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus, did you install these programs into your JAMin's phone storage memory or on the SD card? I have heard that installing programs into the phone's SD card causes the programs to run slower because the phone needs time to access the programs..and also how did these programs affect your memory?? used up alot of memory ?? Also would I still be able to set my own today backgrounds using these programs or can i only use the themes designed for these programs???
thanks for your help, your posts have been a lot of help to a newbie like myself

JAMinGUY said:
Hi triplejay,
In regards to using SPB mobile shell, and SPB pocket plus, did you install these programs into your JAMin's phone storage memory or on the SD card? I have heard that installing programs into the phone's SD card causes the programs to run slower because the phone needs time to access the programs..and also how did these programs affect your memory?? used up alot of memory ?? Also would I still be able to set my own today backgrounds using these programs or can i only use the themes designed for these programs???
thanks for your help, your posts have been a lot of help to a newbie like myself
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no problem
I don't think SPB mobile shell gives the option to install to SD card, it's possible with Pocket Plus but not recommended, even by SPB.
I remember reading the following on the SPB site,
and after that always installing stuff that involves the today screen or system to main storage...
We strongly recommend that you not install Spb Pocket Plus to a storage card because storage card drivers can be loaded with up to a 5 second delay after system restart and important files will not be available for loading. One other reason is that Spb Pocket Plus is a system utility and some of its components run in the background. If you remove the storage card Spb Pocket Plus will not be able to load its resources.
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...so the space they take up, is on the device and yes it is a fair amount of memory, maybe a fifth of available memory or something... (not sure)
you should be able to use your own pic for the background with all these I think,
the SPB extended themes for example, will set new system colours etc, with a matching background that you can change as normal.

Hi triplejay,
I have downloaded the trial versions of both SPB pocket plus and mobile shell and will install tonight and let you know how it goes...
Although i still have a couple of questions...
Backup programs such as SKTOOLS or sprite backup...should these be installed into the phone's SD card or the phone's memory ?? Also where should i install games????
Also does anyone know the date of the newest official ROM for the imate JAMin?? I have searched the imate site to no avail...
thanks guys

hey, JAMinGUY,
about the latest imate ROM, I wouldn't know, but looking at this blog post from menneisyys;
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in..._finding_identifying_the&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
and then checking ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/
leads me to believe that the newest available is :
ftp://ftp.clubimate.com/JAMin_WWE_213923_2139123_022021_ship.zip
Could be wrong, just seems to make sense...
I would say definitely put games on the SD card, I've got my backup program (SPB backup) installed on SD too...
the only thing that I would be unsure of is SKtools, but it doesn't seem to run at startup, or run in the background,
so i would say it's probably OK to install to card as well.
...Unless if you did something like ran it off the card, then used it to format the card your running it off. That probably wouldn't be good, lol.

hey guys,
i have been using SPB POCKET PLUS AND SPB MOBILE SHELL (both installed in system memory) for a week now and have noticed some things....
the phone seems slower to respond to screen taps...and also when i lock the phone, sometimes i can't unlock it...i need to soft reset it....
triplejay, do u know of any programs similar to SPB POCKET PLUS that dont have these freezing issues???
cheers mate

JAMinGUY said:
hey guys,
triplejay, do u know of any programs similar to SPB POCKET PLUS that dont have these freezing issues???
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unfortunately not really ...
if u haven't already tried rltoday though, that could be worth a go.
Resco explorer comes with a today plugin, but it's a bit gay, just a few icons, but resco explorer itself is quite good, try the demo if u havent already....
and a couple of threads below this one you will find the htc homeplug (for wm5), personally that homeplug together with batterystatus have filled all my own shortcut related needs....

HTC Touch alternative.....

Sampsons WM5 rom for Titan runs better than WM6 (read on)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=10780
Checkout the WM5 fallback ROM for the Mogul. It replaces the messed up Oct 27th rubbish, fixes the Memory leak (or WM6 crappy mem manager) and leaves you with 20-28 megs free on bootup (based on what you install), does not end up having memory issues with Picsel browser (PPCGeeks version), Removes all the junk that Sprint installs, 189 Megs free after ROM install. Pocket Explorer works (a little wonky as the Active X controls seem to be dated comapared to WM6). Here is the file on Megaupload....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E6VQ9GKP
I used the ROM Unlocker from XDA forum for the Mogul before installing this ROM. I have better battery life, more memory, less hangups.
Try at your own risk. Also works well with Touch Commander ($15 retail) http://www.touch-commander.com/

Use Touch Commander with Sampsons WM5 Rom on Mogul
If you are torn between the Mogul and the HTC Touch try this fix.....
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Download the Sampson Rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341977)
and Touch Commander ($15 retail at http://www.touch-commander.com/)
I am getting 22 Megs free and with Touch Commander running 16-17 Megs free. No out of memory issues and the memory stays stable all day. Unless HTC worked a miracle with WM6 or downgraded the Touch to WM5 you will have memory issues with the HTC Touch.
Also able to run memory intensive apps like Picsel (PPCGeeks version ftp://ppcgeeks:[email protected] )
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ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
In all honesty, WM5 may run smoother on the titan, but you DO give up some things that WM6 offers that may be important to some people. The touch has those things, WM5 does not.
Also, why spend money on a touchflo clone when there are free ones that are being developed? Some of them work VERY well, and are always adding new features... and work with WM5 OR WM6.
And one final thought-
even if your PPC runs smoothly and has a touch interface clone, it won't be as smooth as the actual touch.
Why?
Because the TouchFlo relies on the physical shape of the screen to work: The sensitivity of the touch pad actually reaches below the viewable area. You start your finger below the screen, and move it toward the top. This brings up your shortcuts.
All of the other Pocket PC's out there are touch sensitive only over the viewable screen. This means that it is very easy to set off the down-up motion by accident. I've used a few of them with FTouchFlo, and when I'm scrolling through a list with my finger, it usually accidentally triggers the shortcut menu. The cube programs are a novelty, perhaps useful with the right hardware (The Touch), but otherwise this is hardly a "as good as" solution.
If you can create a rom that doesn't accidentally trigger the touch commands and runs WM6, then we'd have something to talk about...

Dishe said:
ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
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Is there a link anywhere for the DCD clean WM6 ROM?
Doug

check the flashing tutorial over at ppcgeeks.
Some really great guy wrote it, and has all you need to know.

614c latest ROM experiences and details WITH DOWNLOAD LINK

Hello everyone.
This is my first post. Actually, I added this as a reply on a thread but it's so long and covers so many areas I thought I'd create a new thread from it, if that is ok.
Here are some answers to people's questions on various threads about the 614c ROM images, and my comments particularly on the various ROMs out there.
Here's a link to the latest WM6.1 ROM from a Russian gentleman yevg001 who creates them.
Here's a link to the latest hp official WM6.0 ROM.
1) Yes, you can flash to yevg001 israpda WM6.1 ROMs and then back to the hp WM6.0 ROM from the hp website as often as you like. Flashing from an SD card (not SDHC) has worked reliably several times on my three 614c phones, and flashing using the hp software also works fine (it's much slower because it loads the ROM down a USB cable).
2) The big difference between the yevg001 ROM and the hp ROM is that the hp ROM contains an update to the device firmware, to v0.88 (the latest version). This is of interest if you still have firmware v0.77 (the previous and originally released version). The yevg001 ROMs do not affect your firmware version.
3) If you apply the hp ROM, you cannot get back to v0.77 firmware - I don't think the hp installer will downgrade you, even if you have an old hp ROM image.
4) Why might you want to downgrade to v0.77 device firmware? Because v0.88, while better in numerous ways, has one critical defect: it does not properly support call waiting. When a second call is received (and you hear the beeps in your ear), the active call is affected in that the person you are talking to cannot hear you - and usually hangs up because he/she things you have lost the line. It's very annoying. Other than this, the firmware is better and more stable, due to various minor bug fixes. Fewer missed calls, fewer crashes.
5) Ok, putting aside device firmware and thinking of software... the latest yevg001 ROM is based on hp software image 1.01.04, the latest image at time of writing. yevg001 has also added a few little software applets into the image, but you don't need to use any of these. Obviously, you cannot uninstall them as they are in the ROM, but they also therefore don't take up any usable space.
6) The touchFLO interface is optional. You can easily deactivate it. It looks quite pretty but I have to say I don't like it, so I've deactivated it just by unchecking it in Today settings.
7) The yevg001 WM 6.1 build (I'm using his v1.6) is very good. I have only noticed one major problem with it. The phone is faster than ever before (and I've tried a lot of ROMs). It is quite stable - a couple of crashes but not noticeably more than the hp ROM. The WM6.1 ROM is entirely in English (with the exception that Yevgeny has added in Russian T9 support - not much use without Russian character set). English T9 works as normal.
8) I have also noticed improved battery life. With the latest hp 1.01.04 WM6.0 ROM, I usually get through four fully charged batteries in 24 hours. With the yevg001 v1.6 WM 6.1 ROM, I only get through three. Yes, I'm quite a heavy user but this is a good improvement.
9) The major problem I mentioned in point 7, which won't affect everyone, is that yevg001's ROM does not allow concurrent voice and data usage on a 3G or HSDPA network. How bad is that? Not all 3G phones support this and it is one of the best features of the 614c... My guess is that yevg001 does not even realise this because there is no (or nearly no) 3G in Russia - at least there wasn't last time I was in Moscow in April/May. Basically, if you have any data connection active at the time you place or receive a call, the phone just abruptly drops the data connection. It re-establishes it fine after your call, but no concurrent usage. **If any Russian forum user is reading this, please could you post to yevg001 and ask him if he can address this?**
10) Other experiences based on my regular usage:
a) Bluetooth works fine, neither better nor worse than the standard HP build. I use several BT headsets for calls and also listen to music using A2DP. The A2DP connection seems more stable under WM6.1. In general on the 614c the BT sound level is too low, it does seems a bit lower still with the yevg001 ROM but it was a problem already.
b) Wi-fi works fine, no problems at all with b or g networks.
c) The PIE browser seems to have been slightly improved under WM6.1.
d) The threaded SMS is fantastic! And better than the iphone too because it allows you to delete and to forward individual messages within the thread. The email client seems to be unchanged.
e) I use tomtom navigator 6.3 (western europe) a lot. It works well.
f) Getting a GPS fix can take more than five minutes from cold. If you've used it before on the same day, it's usually less than a minute. I have always found that the 614c is slower to get a fix than the old 6915 which I believe many 614c users upgraded from.
g) Google Maps also works really well, with GPS, and using HSDPA the 614c is fast enough to keep up with your position on a zoomed-in satellite photo while travelling in a car at 30mph (no I wasn't driving!).
h) The media player is ok, I do wish it would read the album artwork out of the mp3 metadata, but that's a slightly off topic observation.
i) The camera is shockingly slow. I use it rarely. The autofocus works quite well.
j) I've had no problems with lots of 8GB SDHC cards.
k) Battery life battery life battery life. The Achilles heel of the 614c. See point 8 above.
m) Activesync seems to work more quickly and more reliably under the WM6.1 ROM than previously.
n) Voice Commander is rubbish. Why do they bother? It takes ages to start up, only works from American accents, is generally slow and intrusive (over other open windows) and is unreliable. MS Voice Command was much better.
Hope all this is interesting! Let me know what you think and if you've got any questions I'll do my best to answer them.
Cheers,
hipppo
p.s. Update as of 22 December:
In case you are looking to download the very latest ROM from the Russian expert yevg001, here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/174859341/614c_WM6.1_20270_v1.4_rev1.1.rar.html
The password is "israpda.com" (without the quotes).
Yevgeny only created this ROM in the last couple of days and I believe it is based on the latest hp build - he says it is his newest and most stable WM6.1 ROM yet.
I haven't tried it yet.
Merry Christmas
hipppo

Cool, I use also the yevg001's ROM , It work very well. Does someone try his extended battery ? His look unchange? or it look like the Axim X30 with his extended battery?

My experience.
I do agree with the comments. I might add another issue - some of the programs based on netCF don't work - they report errors. I installed netCF3.5 but the problem still persists.

Hi,
I just wanted to thank you for this very detailed post.
It answered a lot of my questions!
Have HP categorically said they won't be releasing an official 6.1 ROM?
Thanks,
Adam

In my Ipaq 614C the word-completion features does not with on-screen keyboard. It's normally cauby by XT9? XT9 work well with the physical keyboard.

vgbvn said:
Cool, I use also the yevg001's ROM , It work very well. Does someone try his extended battery ? His look unchange? or it look like the Axim X30 with his extended battery?
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i ve bought the extended battery from HP and i have to say that it reallly enhance the use of the 614c ! i haven't really measured but i would say it last 2-3 times later than with the actual battery, using this 6.1 rom. the only drawback is that the phone is now bigger...

In my opinion, it's better to buy another standart battery and charger for it. I used to own a samsung i600 with two batteries - normal and extended and i had a separate charger for the battery. The only problem was, that i had to change the battery cover everytime i change the battery, which is not ery convenient. I think they sell a charger for about 5-6$ so you just charge the other battery and put it in your pocket. If you want to, you can buy two batteries. The ipaq is bulky enough with the normal battery.

HP said that "there aren't any devices made by HP with WM6.1 at the moment so they will have to make tests if the ipaq 610 is compatable with wm 6.1 and then think of releasing update". IMHO this means something like "We are not going to release wm 6.1 update if you want an official wm 6.1 phone go buy something else" . Of course it's compatable with wm 6.1 and it's working much better with it, but they have to pay $$$ to Microsoft so they can use wm 6.1 and they probably won't do that. The truth is, that the ipaq is cheaper then most of the other devices with similar hardware. I don't think that of they release an udate it will be better than the russian rom. The battery drains because you have a very, very fast CPU. I tested it with XcpuScalar and it plays 320x240 MP4 video with decent quality when clocked at 104MHZ. Now you can imagine the excessive power of the CPU, which is utilized at maximum only when playing QUAKE 2 or some playstation emulator, or when using SKYPE.

thanks for the infos but i can't register there to download a rom.what can we do for this?i don't speak russian

Latest Russian ROM
Hello everyone,
In case you are looking to download the very latest ROM from the Russian expert yevg001, here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/174859341/614c_WM6.1_20270_v1.4_rev1.1.rar.html
Yevgeny only created this ROM in the last couple of days and I believe it is based on the latest hp build - he says it is his newest and most stable WM6.1 ROM yet.
I haven't tried it yet.

axlastro said:
In my opinion, it's better to buy another standart battery and charger for it. I used to own a samsung i600 with two batteries - normal and extended and i had a separate charger for the battery. The only problem was, that i had to change the battery cover everytime i change the battery, which is not ery convenient. I think they sell a charger for about 5-6$ so you just charge the other battery and put it in your pocket. If you want to, you can buy two batteries. The ipaq is bulky enough with the normal battery.
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i think that i' ll buy this cradle from Brando:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02686
it 'll enables me to charge the high capacity battery and the normal battery...

I installed the last ROM update from this thread..
until now, i still haven't found any bugs.. does anyone have found a bugs in this ROM?

I am still using the previous ROM, not the latest one that my link above goes to.
In the previous ROM, the most frustrating bug is the inability to do voice and data at the same time. Initiating or receiving a call immediately terminates the data connection. This is very frustrating - the best thing about 3G is being able to sync emails and so on while talking on the phone, particularly when using the 614c as a high-speed modem for your laptop.
Sadly, no more of this for me... the benefits of the Russian WM6.1 ROM outweigh this (albeit quite big) disadvantage.

Hi all
I installed the last ROM (20757) update from this thread and i dont see any news progams inside :
has also added a few little software applets into the image, but you don't need to use any of these.
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I found only basics HP and Microsoft programs on this rom.
Thanks

mire93600 said:
Hi all
I installed the last ROM (20757) update from this thread and i dont see any news progams inside :
I found only basics HP and Microsoft programs on this rom.
Thanks
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That's the beauty of your iPAQ,
you can tweak it in any way you like.
mine after I installed new ROM >> very stable (recomended)
miroslav.turek said:
Yevg001 has his iPAQ back from service and prepared new ROM:
OS 5.2.20757 (Build 20757.1.4.0) Ver 1.5
http://rapidshare.com/files/163730994/614c_wm61_20757.rar
Password: israpda.com
ROM was tested only one day.
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tweak with usefull application:
** TouchFLO2D/Manilla2D Skins
with a little bit change assigning voice commander button into <scroll right> function
herg62123 said:
ALL DEVICES (VERSION 19b) WITH YOUTUBE ON INTERNET WIDGET
RAPIDSHARE.........................MEGAUPLOAD​
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>>> it's a zip file, Install application #09 only **09 Manila2D_0.11.all.devices**
then install Manilla 2D Customizer by mpenguin14 to configure it:
mpenguin14 said:
Manilla 2D Customizer (M2DC)
LATEST DOWNLOAD HERE (January 30 v0.28.233)
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then find the skin >> here
WARNING >> not all skins works well.. if you find not working skin, you can always try others.
and many others usefull and stable application:
Opera9.5.2392_WWE, AudioManager_2.0_1819.2129, and others (Install application inside Manila2D_0.11.all.devices** zip file)
Resco file & Registry Explorer 2008
usefull app from lots of http://www.dotfred.net/
(recommended) SH4Ys Pim Backup 2.8.CAB >> Backup tool Messages, Contacts, Logs, Tasks, appointment >> download here
AND MANY OTHERS APPLICATION !!!!!
(credits to all developer)

Move outlook message to storage card
found an article very useful for heavy e-mail user (like me) >> here so you can download large attachment file.
here it is:
Using a registry editor, create or edit the following entries:
HKLM\\System\Inbox\Settings\PropertyPath with value \Storage Card\Messaging
HKLM\\System\Inbox\Settings\AttachPath with value \Storage Card\Messaging\Attachments
Then move the entire Messaging folder under \Windows to \Storage Card and do a soft reset.
do carefully, i'm a newbie
One caveat is that you need to disable the "Messaging" Today plugin before your soft reset. If you don't do this, a second "\Storage Card" folder will be created in your ROM and your real Storage Card will be renamed "\Storage Card2", which isn't very useful is it?
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to edit registry >> use PHM Registry Editor to your Pocket PC to edit the registry...
to disable the Messaging Plugin, click on Start, Settings, Today, Items and untick the Messaging option...
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anw, I'm using resco explorer to edit registry

hipppo said:
I am still using the previous ROM, not the latest one that my link above goes to.
In the previous ROM, the most frustrating bug is the inability to do voice and data at the same time. Initiating or receiving a call immediately terminates the data connection. This is very frustrating - the best thing about 3G is being able to sync emails and so on while talking on the phone, particularly when using the 614c as a high-speed modem for your laptop.
Sadly, no more of this for me... the benefits of the Russian WM6.1 ROM outweigh this (albeit quite big) disadvantage.
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Hi Hipppo,
do you have any news about a newer ROM that does not have this problem ?
after using it a while did you find any other problem related to theses cooked rom ?
are thoses new ROMs comming with NetCF3.5 or older ?

Hello Albertorrent,
I have stopped using the yevg001 ROM mentioned in my first posting and I am now using his latest ROM which I think is called Build 20270.1.3.1 v1.4 rev1.2.
I have found this ROM to be stable, no problems. I recommend it.
It allows concurrent voice and data usage.
I am afraid my limited technical knowledge does not allow me to understand your question about NetCF3.5.
hipppo

Thanks,
I ordered my phone monday so I Might have it at the end of the week.
I'll try this new rom.
net CF is usefull to run some applications that has been developped whith it.
I just know that some application cannot install and run if there is not the latest CF (3.5) instaled
for exemple this one :
http://www.retrobits.net/ppc/ppc.shtml
you can find it here :
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=1187
thanks

just google it
albertorrent - i have the netcf3.5 as a separate Cab and i install in on the SD card. I haven't noticed any problem using it that way. I think it was somewhere on the forum but you can always google it. If you can't find it i can e-mail it to you. Right now i don't have it installed and I don't miss it much but some programs require it. At the moment I'm using the latest official 6.0 rom and i find the machine quite stable and fast with it. I had the 1.6 version of the russian 6.1 rom but for now i'm with 6.0