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Programs Closing Automatic.on the MDAII

Is there a possibility tha the programs does not close by them selfs? It´s quite . When i use my Pocket Informant and I open another progremm it closes by it self.The same is with the TomTom Navigator and all other Programs.??? :twisted:

I wish I knew, when using tomtom on xda1, I can go to gps too see staus and then click ok and return to tomtom, with the xda2 once I click ok I find that tomtom is closed and I have to restart the program.

Yes and it´s really sucks

@ Mike
Check the number of running processes with Task Manager and use Mirror Button to really close programs.
You can download them in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4350&highlight=
If you close a program with the OK button, it isn't really closed. And there is a limitation of 32 running processes in Windows Pocket PC. If you try to open more processes, you have a problem.
@ Cruisin: TomTom works perfect on my XDA II, also the GPS status.

I am having the same problem discussed here. I notice it particularly with Pocket Informant, since this is the program I use the most. I am running WM2003 on an SX56 (XDA1). I have the latest update, 5.01.
1. I have a program which instantly shows me all running programs and I monitor this regularly. I have a program where X closes the programs, but I periodically doublecheck. At any given time, the only things listed is "Device". So running programs is not an issue.
2. I monitor memory all the time. I try to keep Program memory at 60% or below. Even so, at worst, it will creep up to 75%. My storage memory is usually around 70%.
3. I soft reset routinely to activate a spacemaker program that I have.
At worst, a typical memory scenario for me is total MB free (both storage and memory) approximately 9 to 11 mb. (75% Memory, 70% Storage)
[at the current time I have over 10 mb free in program, and a little over 3 mb in storage. Pocket Informant is staying open at the moment]
Even with around 4 mb or so free in program memory, shouldn't Pocket Informant run okay?
In other words, at my very most used memory scenario , isn't it still theoretically enough to run programs?
Thanks for any input.

What do you think a good amount of free program memory is?

As the topics asks.

At least 5-6 MB free is tolerable. I really miss the 128MB in the XDA 2's
Surur

ive normaly got 20mb free...runs smooth

I am around 9MB and it slowly gets less, so there might be a memory leak somewhere.
I usually get probs when the amount of free mem gets around 5 MB. More then once when ushing TomTom to background and starting another app TomTom gets closed by the device (i guess because of memory shortage)!
This really frustrates me even more as I am not really running a lot of extra processes:
Capsnotify
MS VoiceCommand
SmartSkey
Also Todayscreen is not horrifying:
WiviT SSS
Wireless
HTCTodayscreen
I am running the test QTek aku2 rom
@Sbouri; How on earth do you get 20MB of program memory free??? I dont believe I have ever seen that even after my last hard reset!

I have 17mb free at the moment, with the following running:
Smartskey
Hudson Phone dashboard
VBar
Taskplus today plugin
Resco today plugin
Phone
Activesync
and of course PIE to write this post.

Oops.

This makes it even worse for me!!
More running and 10MB more free space!!
What rom are you on then?

I have 20 Mb Ram free
I am running this Today plugins
Pocket Breeze 5.1 beta
with all other SBSH plugins as tabs in Pocket Breeze
Ilauncher 2.03
Contac Breeze 1.201
Pocket Weather 1.33
All set on static in Pocket Breeze settings.
And I am also running Wisbar Advance 2.602 beta with Junis Black & White Theme
Using the latest Qtek rom with the cache tweak and some other tweaks.

I'm running the O2 XDA Mini S ROM released this week.

After start-up I have around 21 MB free program memory, but I seem to have a memory leak somewhere - after a while it is constantly dropping. When it reaches less than 15 MB I usually free up some RAM with SKTools or do a softreset - very annoying... :evil:
I have quite a lot of programs installed - usually running are:
Today plugins:
SPB PocketPlus + Weather + GPRSMonitor + Diary
KabuToday
Egress
Other software:
PMRecorder
SmartFilter
Always suspecting the SPB stuff to be so memory consuming... :?:
Anybody else with all the SPB plugins??
EDIT: just installed the newest version of SPB PocketPlus - according to the version history they fixed a memory leak - really seems to be a bit better now...

I got the same setup before - all SPB products and they sucked memory and was often very bugridden.
Now I have converted to SBSH products and are never going back to a SPB product except their backup application.
Nothing can beat Amit and the incredible guys over at SBSH products with their incredible customer support with frequent updates and new features
DoctorT said:
After start-up I have around 21 MB free program memory, but I seam to have memory leak somewhere - after a while it is constantly dropping. When it reaches less than 15 MB I usually free up some RAM with SKTools or do a softreset - very annoying... :evil:
I have quite a lot of programs installed - usually running are:
Today plugins:
SPB PocketPlus + Weather + GPRSMonitor + Diary
KabuToday
Egress
Other software:
PMRecorder
SmartFilter
Always suspecting the SPB stuff to be so memory consuming... :?:
Anybody else with all the SPB plugins??
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easycure1974 said:
Nothing can beat Amit and the incredible guys over at SBSH products with their incredible customer support with frequent updates and new features
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For the most part I do agree with that statement. However, when it comes to a Today Launcher, Pocket Plus is more polished than iLauncher. I am a registered owner of both products. Even moving the cursor using the d-pad lags from icon to icon on iLaunch where on Pocket Plus, cursor movement is fluid. Other little things like a more convienient icon selection panel, built in power off and reset buttons make PP my choice over iLauncher.
As for other comparable products, the SBSH products are just head and shoulders about the spb offerings.

Right at this moment ive got 23MB free, running a bunch of today plugins (traylaunch, recso, phonalarm, cpu graph) and also text messaging, activesync, comm manager, contacts.

18 MB Program Memory Free:
Currently Running:
Spb Pocket Plus 3.1.1
Spb Folders ( Plugin for Pocket Plus )
Pocket Breeze 5.0.12.2
Agenda Fusion 7
Photo Contacts PRO 4
Pocket Controller Professional
TodayTime
Tmail ( which is the SMS Part that I never close )
Active Sync
When TomTom 5.21 is running it drops down to 14 MB of Free Memory.

DREAMBOXER said:
18 MB Program Memory Free:
Currently Running:
Spb Pocket Plus
Spb Folders ( Plugin for Pocket Plus )
Agenda Fusion
Photo Contacts PRO
Pocket Controller Professional
TodayTime
Tmail ( which is the SMS Part that I never close )
Active Sync
When TomTom 5.21 is running it drops down to 14 MB of Free Memory.
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You don't have any memory leak?
How often r u guys doing a soft reset??

DoctorT said:
DREAMBOXER said:
18 MB Program Memory Free:
You don't have any memory leak?
How often r u guys doing a soft reset??
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I actually forgot one Tool -> Pocket Breeze 5 8)
Hmm I actually don't know how many times I do a soft reset. I usually do a complete Backup about every 3 days with SpriteBackup and before it it creates a backup it does a soft reset automatically.
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I have 15 MB left but I would like 64 MB Free initially
I have 15 MB left and running:
Cash Organizer
Skype
Active sync
Resco Explorer
MobiPocket Reader
Messaging (Email)
Internet Explorer
TomTom Navigator 5
Contacts
To feel Happy I would like 64 MB free with nothing running.

Forgot to add about soft reset
I soft reset about once a month. When I do that I have 27 MB free. When I run (more or less) the above applications it goes down to 15 MB free. If I close all of them I go up to about 17 MB. If I run them again, they don't seem to take extra memory (Yes i clsoed them from the task manager), and it stays at 17 MB free until I run TomTom which it drops to 15 MB free and it stays there.
Hope this helps.

edsub, i normaly have 24mb free when i soft reset...but whenever i close a program i always make sure i go to the meory settings and close it properly....i havent upgarded roms etc I've installed stuff like spb today plug in..after running a few apps my memory goes down to 19mb..watching a full length movie drops my ram to 18mb min

Re: Forgot to add about soft reset
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I soft reset about once a month.
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Once a month? I find this very difficult to believe. You must not use many applications and the apps you do use must be very well behaved when it comes to memory. It's just a known fact that many applications do not release memory to the original amount before the program was run and if you run multiple apps it just compounds the issue. Heck, just open up IE a couple of times and see how much memory it eats up. Sync up a couple times and see how much memory Activesync chews up.
I have owned PPC's since 2000 and I have never been able to get away with not having to soft reset for that long of time. Not even close.
After a soft reset I am around 18-19mb free. That's with Pocket Plus, SBSH Pocket Breeze/Contact Breeze, Pocket Weather, SmartsKey, GSPocketMagic, OMAPClock, and MS Voice Command.
After a day of running IE, syncing, running PocketPlayer, Avantgo, misc other apps, I am down to 12mb of ram. I usually soft reset every couple of days sometime everyday depending if I am running a beta of some application.

program memory keeps filling up

i am having a problem with my O2 exec, i have the latest rom update and i am running pocket weather and batti monitor. After normal use of my pda the program memory will drop from 20ish to about 6.
This is causing some programs to crash and is annoying me, i am closing all running programs in program manager but this dosn't seem to help.
Is there any way to free up program memory without reseting?
Cheers, James.

Try Oxios Memory: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
It is free and works great for the Universal. I also have SPB Backup installed and set to do automatic backups at 5 AM everyday followed by a automatic soft reset. This assures me my data is safe and I wouldn't run out of memory for the day. Just a suggestion on my part.

Which version of Pocket Weather are you using? I heard the earlier versions caused a memory leak with some of the ROMs. You should try uninstalling Pocket Weather for a week or so and see if that helps.

Memory Leakage...Spb mobile shell causes this...

After installing MUN_RUS and LVSW roms....
The leakage is even worse them WM05 roms.
i start the day with 23 MB, and after 3 hours of work (push mail and some calls) it narrows down to 13-16 MB....
Anyone else experiencing this?
Nadav

No. I don't experience this. I have my phone on 24/7 and this doesn't happen even after long time of no resets.

Remember these are BETA roms

Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.

ZakMcRofl said:
Unless your device was idle when it happened (which it wasn't), this is memory usage, not memory leakage.
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Yes i understand,
but WM06 is supposed to improve this issue isn't it?
it is even worse then WM05.
Nadavi

That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.

ZakMcRofl said:
That depends on how you look at it. Does WM6 free the memory when it is needed?
For example Vista uses loads of RAM in comparison to XP but that is actually a good thing and intended behaviour. Free RAM = unused RAM = useless RAM.
The only important thing is that applications get enough RAM when they need it.
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Thats the issue here,
That Pocket pc software doesnt use that much, and doesnt stay resident in memory!
if so, upon closing of the software it should clear out the used memory, i was convinced that in WM06 that think is executed better then WM05.
well it isnt
anyway, about free memory, the device is being up for 13 hours now,
and 11MB free! i can't even run Navigation software.
i've installed
SPB pocket plus
SPB diary
spb mobile shell
spb phone suite
Eyron hebrew support.
Ezdial.
None of thoose are not standart software programs.
What is wrong in WM06?
Nadavi

Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...

stepw said:
Windows will not be unloading modules aggressively unless it needs more memory. In other words, if you start a program and then close it, memory usage is likely to change in comparison with what it was before you've started the program. If you run enough programs to really exhaust available memory, it will unload some modules it's not using. One of the reasons it's done is to speed up your program if you restart it...
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I'm using SPB pocket plus to Really close each program being used.
so no software is left open.
but still, with push mail and normal daily usage i got no memory left at the end of the day.
Nadavi

NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!

lvsw said:
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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ok, they are great softwares! please give me your usage....
What is you rate of memory leakage?
you begin the day with:
and end it with:
which Software installed
Thanks in advance.
Nadavi.

SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS

lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??

I'm using SPB Phone Suite and SPB Pocket Plus :\
Almost every software that I know, is for WM5, not for WM6

KamaL said:
What apps launcher do you recommend then as an alternative for SPB Pocket Plus??
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Try iLauncher, but I think that it is for WM5 too Don't know any launcher for WM6

Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?

I use SPB Mobile shell, SPB Diary and SPB weather...
I had no memory problems with these three when testing either lvsw or mUn ROM.

KamaL said:
Well, they are for WM5, but most applications are also working properly on WM6.
I've tried iLauncher on WM5, but now i was thinking to try Pocket plus on WM6. The warning of LVSW is making me think twice
Any other recommendations for a good launcher?
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I use iLauncher, for me it works well without being too "heavy".

lvsw said:
NOT USE SPBsoftware!!!!!
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Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers

alchemax said:
Why??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
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lvsw said:
SPB Software only for WM5
If you use this soft on WM6 - memory and system stable PROBLEMS
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Program memory question

I've searched in many threads but didn't find anything about shift. What is consuming the MB's in program memory (wm side)? After a softreset I have about 20.60 MB free and then it goes down and down. Only pBar is running.. I uninstalled the spb shell 3 which was a real memory killer. Can it be the snapvue? Or the weather - should I have the modem closed?
PS I'm already using memmaid's reclaime RAM.
Any suggestions are welcome.

apoparis said:
I've searched in many threads but didn't find anything about shift. What is consuming the MB's in program memory (wm side)? After a softreset I have about 20.60 MB free and then it goes down and down. Only pBar is running.. I uninstalled the spb shell 3 which was a real memory killer. Can it be the snapvue? Or the weather - should I have the modem closed?
PS I'm already using memmaid's reclaime RAM.
Any suggestions are welcome.
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do you use IE or Opera and browse a lot, if that is the case then you need to delete the cookies and temp files , I remember there was option on IE to clean up if you exit application .
Do you have task manager installed , check if you have too many programs running at the same time on background, kill the junk programs