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Jam Storage Memory - What the Heck is in There, Anyway?

I noticed that I have 29 MB allocated to storage memory, of which 23 MB is in use. But I cant recall putting anythign in there to begin with!! And I dont see anything in there when I look at it in file explorer.
ANybody know what would be in there? Does the Jam put things in there? Is there a way for me to see what's in there and clean it out.

Could be anything under My Documents, applications, photos or an accidental video or audio note recording. Or applications from the Extended ROM.
As often is the case with the Pocket PC - there is a utility to help - and it's free.
WIMR (WhereIsMyRam?)
http://mypaq.net/mysoftware/wimr/index.shtml

i agree - the Storage folder is a comlpete mystery to me. why do we even need an extended ROM? what msft should do is simple:
1) a user storage area (My Documents) in which there is NO data that is not specifically created by a human (i.e. no application specific files or other machine made folders with obscure names - how often have you looked at something in "My Documents" and thought "what is THAT? and can I delete it?")
2) a device storage area where ALL other files are stored - i.e. Windows files, Program files, etc...
The only exception to 1) should be user settings, playlists, dictionaries etc... but those should be buried, hidden and difficult to access inside one folder in My Documents

Does the stuff in Storage stay where it is after hardreset??

Yes filest that you put in the Storage directory is permanent...and it will be there even after a hard reset.
Regards,
Primoz

Storage is permanent & is used for 'Permanent Save' which you can find under settings/system
Checking the appropiate boxes makes your device sync with this permanent storage after ie. a hard reset.
Works like a charm!
The availablle memory is allocated between storage and programs automatically.

skagen said:
I noticed that I have 29 MB allocated to storage memory, of which 23 MB is in use. But I cant recall putting anythign in there to begin with!! And I dont see anything in there when I look at it in file explorer.
ANybody know what would be in there? Does the Jam put things in there? Is there a way for me to see what's in there and clean it out.
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When you hard reset and run the Extended ROM it installs those applications RAM......

PIE cache to storage card?

Ok, I use newsbreak for RSS feeds and it seems to use PIE like a virtual browser... I have to clear the web content (cache) in PIE multiple times a day to free up memory on my device.
Is there a way I can get PIE to store this on my storage card and not the onboard memory? Also, is there a way to make it auto delete?

i used Pocket Mechanic to move the cache to my storage card. there are probably easier and cheaper ways (although i used a free trial download)

MemMaid also gives you an option to use the storage card for the PIE's cache...goes for $14.95, a bit cheaper than Pocket Mechanic

SK Tools can be in help. Also search Wiki for corresponding registry entries.
But note that the cache's index files are opened by the system always, and therefore you may have problems with the device wake ups, or if you remove the card...

MemMaid from DynaSoft can do that for you. it has all other useful tolls to keep your memory clean anytime. strongly recommended.
http://www.dinarsoft.com/memmaid/details.html

I don't know I must be doing something wrong as I have tried to accomplish this several times on my Jasjar using both SKTools as well as Memaid. Initially everything works well but after some usage my PIE starts closing by itself abruptly.
Has anyone else experienced this and any suggestions please.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Regards

srmz said:
I don't know I must be doing something wrong as I have tried to accomplish this several times on my Jasjar using both SKTools as well as Memaid. Initially everything works well but after some usage my PIE starts closing by itself abruptly.
Has anyone else experienced this and any suggestions please.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Regards
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Try optimizing your storage card for speed; see my article on all this stuff at http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921
If it doesn't help, then, don't relocate the PIE cache - your card is just not fast enough for the task.

Menneisyys said:
Try optimizing your storage card for speed; see my article on all this stuff at http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921
If it doesn't help, then, don't relocate the PIE cache - your card is just not fast enough for the task.
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Prepare yourself for a long, but superbly detailed read. Menniesyys has produced an excellent guide that worked well for me, well worth taking your time to work through this and the speed benefits are very noticable.
Mike

mikechannon said:
Prepare yourself for a long, but superbly detailed read. Menniesyys has produced an excellent guide that worked well for me, well worth taking your time to work through this and the speed benefits are very noticable.
Mike
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Thanks

Menneisyys said:
Try optimizing your storage card for speed; see my article on all this stuff at http://pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17921
If it doesn't help, then, don't relocate the PIE cache - your card is just not fast enough for the task.
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Simple change in the registry change referenced in that link
"Grab a registry editor (if you aren't afraid of manually editing the registry - in most cases, it's much more fun - and it's free! - than using pre-made programs to do the same) and manually editing [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Cache] :"
Works great.

Pocket Machanic
http://www.dotsis.com/mobile_phone/showthread.php?t=17697&highlight=Pocket+Mechanic&gtothread
follow the link to Pocket machanic

PIE Cache on Storage Card
Yes it is possible using many of the methods above to actually move the cache location.
BUT BE WARNED.....
If you sort reset your phone with no storage card present the devide will create a new directory called "STORAGE CARD" and create the required directories in there.
Then if you re-insert your storage card it will be seen as "STORAGE CARD2".
It's a pain to change back..........
Charlie Grillo

Trying To Make This Work
I have SK Tools and do not see how to make this change with the cache. Do I use SK Tools as a registry editor like Resco Registry or is there a function within SK Tools that I can make this change?
I want to do a reg edit but do not know how to start doing that. Is there some place here that I can't find that will walk me through how to do it from start to finish? I do see the lines of code you are supposed to insert to make this edit work, I just do not know how to start editing.
Any help will greatly be appreciated.
Thanks
Marc

Howto effectively freeup Main Storage?

Hello,
after Using Meschles Touch 3.1 WWE -Rom I wondered how I used up my remaining 46mb main Storage, since I usually put all programs etc on my 8GB SDHC-Card.
Is there any tool that would give me an idea, what programms use how much of my storage? (in Activesync I do not see whether programs are in main or external storage, SKTools does also not show all my installed programes).
How much would I save round about, if I start to compile some programs into self-cooked roms?
How can I find out, wheather my pagefile -memero is 2, 4, 6 or 8 MB?
Thanks for your help

You may go to
mydevice>application data>volatile
open volatile then delet whatever inside it. You may get extra 9 mega.

pocket mechanic is great for that as it. It can also move programs from main memory to storage card (including all relevant files, registry info etc..)

Re:
Thanks for your efforts. I tried both, but I could not free anything, maybe that volatile folder might also be emptied by oxios hibernate?!?
Pocket Mechanic seems quite similar to SKTools, actually there were many programs I could not move, du I even did not information wheather they are on main or external storage (like tomtom). I guess its theses kind of programm who also do not ask you wheather you want to install on external or main memory ;-(

Help Please Programs in windows folder

Hi there
Thanks in addvance
Could any body help i think i read some ware in this forum that less files in windows folder meens that your device runs faster !!
I also think I read some program can only be installed to windows\ I Don't know which? programs need to be in which directory or is it all down to the reg enteries or is it dependent on the *.exe & *.dll files
If it is posible to install office mobile to something like \program files\OfficeMobile\ ?, Would there be any benifits for doing this ? or would i be wasting my time ?
It seems a lot of programs install into windows\

Easy - if you know how!
swampy395 said:
Hi there
Thanks in addvance
Could any body help i think i read some ware in this forum that less files in windows folder meens that your device runs faster !!
I also think I read some program can only be installed to windows\ I Don't know which? programs need to be in which directory or is it all down to the reg enteries or is it dependent on the *.exe & *.dll files
If it is posible to install office mobile to something like \program files\OfficeMobile\ ?, Would there be any benifits for doing this ? or would i be wasting my time ?
It seems a lot of programs install into windows\
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Various options here mate (listed in order of user level):
In WM5+ you can choose to install to the Storage Card by default - any programs that cannot be installed here will usually tell you when you try, and ask you to try again in the correct folder.
Go get yourself a copy of a program called Pocket Mechanic and it has an option that lets you move programs to your storage card (it changes all the links/shortcuts and reg entries for you) - it can also move the 'My Documents folder and IE cache, too - saving even more space.
Find a program called CECabManager (30 day trial) which lets you edit the cab files for programs and change their default install folder.
WARNING
ALWAYS backup your device before playing around with this stuff - it's a real P.I.T.A. when you have got yourself almost set up, then you destroy the system, or cause a glitch!
My best advice is to go buy a copy of Spb Clone and install that before you fiddle about! Also, backup your PIM data to Outlook, or with Spb Backup, too! Then you're pretty much safe to do what you want, as you can always go back if all goes tits up!
Bird

Bird_FAT said:
Various options here mate (listed in order of user level):
In WM5+ you can choose to install to the Storage Card by default - any programs that cannot be installed here will usually tell you when you try, and ask you to try again in the correct folder.
Go get yourself a copy of a program called Pocket Mechanic and it has an option that lets you move programs to your storage card (it changes all the links/shortcuts and reg entries for you) - it can also move the 'My Documents folder and IE cache, too - saving even more space.
Find a program called CECabManager (30 day trial) which lets you edit the cab files for programs and change their default install folder.
WARNING
ALWAYS backup your device before playing around with this stuff - it's a real P.I.T.A. when you have got yourself almost set up, then you destroy the system, or cause a glitch!
My best advice is to go buy a copy of Spb Clone and install that before you fiddle about! Also, backup your PIM data to Outlook, or with Spb Backup, too! Then you're pretty much safe to do what you want, as you can always go back if all goes tits up!
Bird
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Thanks Bird
PS do you know it doe's run faster whith les files in windows folder ?

Speed or Space?!?!
swampy395 said:
Thanks Bird
PS do you know it doe's run faster whith les files in windows folder ?
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No idea - anyone?
I think that if you have too little space, you'll be in trouble when some programs run as they may need to use it as RAM or a swap file - I've filled it to within a MB or 2 and it has slowed down the system!
See my post in this thread for how I keep space in my Storage area (at the bottom of the second post)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388249
If you're looking to speed up your system, why not try an overclocking utility?
I've just got Pocket Hack Master - I'm testing it now! I've used Anton's Pocket Mechanic for ages now, and so I'm pretty confident in the quality of the app.
http://www.wizcode.com/products/view/pocket_hack_master
And there is a starter guide here:
http://www.wizcode.com/articles/comments/pocket-hack-master-speed-configuration-guide/
Let me know your results!
Bird

Thanks again bird
Don't fancy clocking my CPU realy wanting to know if it's worth the effort of hacking all my *.cab files and OEMs to install into sub folders rather than windows\ Idear been Keeping as little as posible in the windows\ "folder" I could have a sleep some times waiting for file explorer to finish opening windows\ was hopeing that if there's less in windows\ the device my run faster with a smaller directory ??
Thanks
swampy395

Possibly...
You could always try using Pocket Mechanic!!
Instead of hacking the cabs, you could just use Pocket Mechanic - it will move the programs across to your SD card and change all the reg entries, links, etc. for you!
I find that there are some cabs that really don't like to be hacked! But, if that's the route you want to go down (saves having to do it all again in the future), then CECabManager is definitely the way to go! Pretty pricey software, but gives you a nice 30 day trial period to play with it! Just remember to remove any 'setup.dll's' from the tree in the left-hand window if you change anything - can cause the install to muck up if you don't!
And the best bit of software on the net in my opinion is Spb Clone (god I love Spb software - it's just so good!) - once you get your system looking and working how you want it to, just clone the whole thing on to some spare space on your card and you're safe from any general errors! Use Pocket Mechanic to move all your documents, mail and cache folders onto the SD card and you're even safer - go one step further and get Spb Backup to save teh PIM data onto your SD, too and you get ultimate safety (as long as you remember to save reguarly LoL!):
PIM synced with main PC or onto SD with Spb Backup
Documents, mail and cache on SD
Clone of system on SD
Any screw ups, any dodgy software, ANY problems and you just go back a few days!
SORTED!! ​
Bird

Free even MORE space!!
Found a way to get even more space! Really helpful for me when I want to play certain games, as some of them were refusing to start as they needed more space than I had. I managed to claw back about 8meg, but then I have somewhat overloaded my BAs with about 250 apps/games! )
Using Pocket Mechanic, you can move the AppMgr file from the Windows directory of you BA onto your Storage Card - (the original folder structure will be recreated if you try to install anything new!) - when it's finished, just soft reset your BA and VIOLA! more space in the storage section.
***********NOTE***********
If you want to delete any of your apps - or even install a new version over the top of an old one, you have to move the corresponding folder from the AppMgr folder on your Storage Card back into Windows/ApMgr or the uninstall/reinstall will fail - If you haven't installed anything since you last moved the AppMgr folder, then you will have to create the AppMgr folder before moving the folder of the app you wish to delete.
Have fun,

Program Memory

I am fairly new to this forum and I am sure this has been explain on here once before. But I though this might be a little easier than searching through countless pages of posts. I want to know if there is a way to clear up the program memory. If I could I would like to be able to delete the Office mobile stuff if that would help. Dont see a need for it since I work on macs mostly. Of if there is way to trim it down. At the moment my program memory is 43.87 MB and it says 40.91MB is in use but I only have window media running and only 3MB available. Is there something I can do. What is taking up all memory. Even after a soft reset. The most I have ever seen it go up to is like 14MB and that is just for a while then it begins to rundown. Thanks for you help in advanced.
Carlos

CleanRAM - http://thewingster.com/cleanram.aspx

Thanks Ace..good work..is there a way to get into the registry and delete some of the office mobile stuff, like work powerpoint and excel or would I have to do a complete flash

toreone said:
Thanks Ace..good work..is there a way to get into the registry and delete some of the office mobile stuff, like work powerpoint and excel or would I have to do a complete flash
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You would have to flash a ROM without Office Mobile. Look on The Wingster (http://thewingster.com/roms.aspx) and find a ROM that doesn't include Office Mobile. I tell you if it doesn't include it, so it should be fairly easy to identify that.
But going into the registry wouldn't be where you'd delete that stuff. You'd find it in the file explorer, \Windows. I'm not sure if you can delete those files though. I'd just flash one of the numerous ROM's that doesn't include Office Mobile, there's many of them.

Office Mobile is in most cases (there are CABs out there, so that you can install it on stirage card) in the ROM and can't be deleted in an easy way. The File Explorer doesn't delete it. Midnight Commander can delete files, which are in the Main ROM, but only use if you know what you're doing! This program can delete all files - important system files, too!
The most easy way is, as ace already said, to flash a rom without Office Mobile. But be careful and read a lot before you flash a new rom! A broken flash may cause a broken phone!

That is one of my biggest fears is bricking my phone and not being able to bring it back. I am currently running SPB Mobile 3.0 and I like that a lot. That is what I would like to run permanently. Maybe when i upgrade or buy a new phone I will practice on my old wing. Thanks guys for the info!

program mem == application mem
storage mem == files on your device
application mem is used by programming which are running nothing else
storage mem is used by files stored on your device
freeing up app mem don't give more storage and virsa versa