so I've had a recent problem with my TyTN, and I'd like to avoid a hard reset if possible. Whenever I make a call, or recieve a call, my phone cycles through Outlook/text message/mms a couple times. I then have to close it out and go back to call status.
Now, this isn't really a problem or anything because I'm usually, you know, talking when this happens, but in the off chance I need to go to my contacts or whatever its becoming a pain. Anyone had this problem before? If so, did a hard reset fix it?
bump, any ideas?
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bump, any ideas?
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Just to rule out a physical cause - it's not possible the messaging hard key is getting pressed?? repeated touches on this key cycles the messaging accounts. Alternatively the messaging key has not been reset to some other key by any chance?
Mike
Same problem with messaging cycle
Man I thought I was the only one with this Problem. I tried every thing, flash ROM HTC 1.35 Dopod 1.23 & 1.30 and reflash the original Rom, NOTHING its still doing it. The worst part is that for some reasons its doing it more often, before it was only on receiving and making a call, now it does it anytime.
Please, please can someone tell me what its going on with my Trion.
Thanks very much!!!
Give us a list of software / tweaks you've installed on your device... Something in the list might be conflicting with something else.
Alternatively, is the hardware key sticky or maybe otherwise damaged (has it been dropped on the key perhaps? The contact could be physically damaged.)
Thanks Christopher,
I didn't drop the unit, or damage it in any ways. I tried to use it without any program right after flashing ROM 1.35 and 1.30 and it still does messaging cycle. It seems like everytime the phone connect to a tower or have any wireless connection with sever the problem happens.
Please tell me if you need any more info?
Thanks
Related
Hi All,
It's my first experience with PDA. I bought O2 XDA Exec few days ago.
Well i'm not too happy with it but i'm try to console myself by looking into good side of it.
The first problem i faced is Phone pad. it stopped working. Tapping on Calls doesn't show phone pad. Media->video call also doesn't work. Tapping on Phone pad from input selector also doesn't work.
When i do soft reset it works first time but again stops working.
Can any one help?
I have e-mailed problem to O2 but I don't expect any help from them.
cheers
Nirvana
I also had a similar problem with applications or functions not responding.
After talking to someone from O2 customer service. They confimed that a new ROM is on the way but don`t have any dates.
But did suggest changing the install from "Basic" if anyone choose "Personal"
I did a hard-reset and choose the option to do a Basic install without all the rest of the
Also de-actived "Error reporting" & "Accept incoming beams"
This has helped...
At least a soft-reset solves problem and returns operations back.
And I don`t need to resort to doinga soft-reset so often.
While we wait for O2 to release an updated ROM.
But something that still bugs me is....
Whats the difference between the power botton and a Soft-reset?
Also why not make the power-botton the reset botton?
The same problem for me. Have to soft reset often, because it only works at the first time. However, it seems as long as you don't end it in the task manager, it can be contuniously accessed.
The same problem for me. Have to soft reset often, because it only works at the first time. However, it seems as long as you don't end it in the task manager, it can be contuniously accessed.
I did hard reset and installed in Corporate mode and it works now.
cheers
How many time hard reset do you have to do it?
so everytime you have problem u need to hard/soft reset?
i guess we better get a pen and a notebook,at least we dont need to reset.
i cant take it anymore because of xda that i have always gave me problem.
i bought my xda lls,less than 2 weeks i need to send for service.within a year i already send it 4 time.
i bought my xda lli.when i open up i saw a spoil pix there wont exchange with me.
tell me,how many xda users facing problem but nothing much u can do abt it?
Hi there, please help me out. I have the O2 mini and been using it for half a year and all of a sudden I can't read any text messages. I see I have unread messages but nothing can be read.
Also sometimes, it shows 0k along the righthand side of the screen from top to bottom but nothing can be read again. Does anyone know why?
What happens when you put the SIM card in another phone? Can you read SMS then? It sounds like the XDAII isn't getting the complete SMS from the network.
I tried inserting the sim card into another 02 mini and it works so something must of happened to my phone. my current rom is
1.11.00wwe
radio version: 1.11.00
extrom version: 1.11.922 wwe
Please help. My phone still has warranty and I have a relative going back to the country where the phone was bought so I'm thinking if I should get them to bring it to the store where I got.
Also, does anyone think upgrading the firmware will make a difference? If yes please let me know which one I should use. I am in Canada.
Why don you try a hard reset..!
Regards
Carty..
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A hard reset means pressing the reset button (the small hole on the lower left hand side of the handset case) and holding down the power button simultaneously for at least 2 seconds. The phone will then reboot. Be sure to save your contacts to your SIM and back up any pics to an MMC or SD card if you have one inserted in the SDIO slot.
thanks for the help. I did a hard reset then reinstall my rom and now it works.....strange....oh well it works now thanks for the input
SMS problem
hey all sorry to jack this topic but my jam sends duplicate sms's. not all the time but every now and then i get friends saying they got the same msg twice? i've checked my bills and i'm not being charged for the extra sms. i know that this happens occassionaly because of the networks but this is happening to much and becoming a bit of a pain!
No problem, 2k3silver.
boh113, I have this problem from time to time as well with my MDA II. Sometimes I try sending a reply but the network simply won't send it because I won't get a on-screen confirmation and the MDA II won't immediately store the sent SMS in the "Sent Messages" folder. However, the SMS does get sent and then the recipient tells me that they got the SMS more than once.
A hard reset seems to be the best solution since the ROM probably gets corrupted/unreliable with time.
Do you guys use any task management app to make the default tmail.exe application to close rather minimize? Dont! tmail.exe application should be minimized and i think that causes the problem of sending multiple sms.. Try it cz i may not be very sure..
Regards
Carty..
That could be the issue but not for me since I don't use any kind of task manager. Even if I did, I would have tried ending after reading about your suggestion. Is tmail.exe the general SMS/e-mail program on MDAs using T-Mobile ROMs?
Yeah the default mail application..Tmail.exe! That application should be minimized and not closed.. Cz when i used to close it with wisbar before, i had the same problem but now ive made the settings in wisbar to minimize it and now it goes fine..
Regards
Carty..
Thanks for the clarification. I did a soft reset this morning and the SMS that had been stuck in the Drafts folder for a couple hours was sent right after I tapped Send.
Hi!
I really need help right now. This is second time my TyTN goes wild this way.
I can start machine allright and I can put PIN-code in but little bit after TyTN hangs totally. It does not respond to anything.
Even hard reset is difficult to do because you have to be so quick to push buttons before systems freezes.
There is no extreme programs or any changes made after last hard reset.
1. Can I do something now on the road?
2. What have I done wrong that it goes wild like this?
Please help ASAP if there is something to do now without HR.
I dont think the freeze can stop the hard reset ... You should be able to HR even when your TyTN is frozen till the ice ages ...
This is not the....
This is not the main issue. I can Hard Reset... but what went wron in the first place? And twice in one week.
Few decent program installations and using ActiveSync in two machines... I think that is the reason somehow... But how to prevent this happening constantly.
Most likely, one of your programs is screwing it up .. You need to figure out which one it is ... Setup one by one manually and see what happens ..
Also, try installing SPB Pocket Plus .. that has a manual safe startup mode .. see if you are able to start up your TyTN in the safe mode .. instead of doing a hard reset everytime ..
_mike_ said:
Hi!
I really need help right now. This is second time my TyTN goes wild this way.
I can start machine allright and I can put PIN-code in but little bit after TyTN hangs totally. It does not respond to anything.
Even hard reset is difficult to do because you have to be so quick to push buttons before systems freezes.
There is no extreme programs or any changes made after last hard reset.
1. Can I do something now on the road?
2. What have I done wrong that it goes wild like this?
Please help ASAP if there is something to do now without HR.
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Just another thing to check along with suggestions above. Do you use a storage card. If so does it still hang with the card out. And secondly is there a decent amount of on board memory free.?
Mike
gravejoker said:
Most likely, one of your programs is screwing it up .. You need to figure out which one it is ... Setup one by one manually and see what happens ..
Also, try installing SPB Pocket Plus .. that has a manual safe startup mode .. see if you are able to start up your TyTN in the safe mode .. instead of doing a hard reset everytime ..
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Had this happen on a Prophet it turns out it was one of the 3rd party software apps installed, the author updated it and no more issues.
I would bet the same thing is happening to you on the TyTn
yer i agree with mark i had same prob with my htc tytn turn out to be a 3rd party bluesnafing tool
What program that...
...might be?
Nothing starts on startup. I mean nothing special that my friend does not have. And he has no problems at all.
My guess still is that problem is ActiveSync. Because in freeze I can see part of ActiveSync window. And ActiveSync starts automatic...
Is there way to prevent ActuveSync on startup?
Thank you for your replys.
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...might be?
Nothing starts on startup. I mean nothing special that my friend does not have. And he has no problems at all.
My guess still is that problem is ActiveSync. Because in freeze I can see part of ActiveSync window. And ActiveSync starts automatic...
Is there way to prevent ActuveSync on startup?
Thank you for your replys.
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_mike_ I wouldn't be that dismissive of that advice. Usually, just where you think your sure you have everything covered in a particular area so theres no need to check, thats usually where your problem is.
The fact is that you and your friend have two different phones. Are the model numbers, lot numbers identical? Did you both in stall the exact same software with the exact same version numbers?
I'm guessing that you missed something there.
You need to be patient and thorough when figuring our these issues.
The best advice to find the answer to your problem has already been given.
Start with a base WM5 build and your ext ROM software. Remove your memory card.
Spend at least a day or two in base config. This will certainly tell you if its the phone or the software.
If your phone stays good, add one of your programs to the phone and wait another day.
repeat this until you find out what's causing the issue.
It's not quick or fast, but it's effective.
Good Luck!
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_mike_ I wouldn't be that dismissive of that advice. Usually, just where you think your sure you have everything covered in a particular area so theres no need to check, thats usually where your problem is.
....
It's not quick or fast, but it's effective.
Good Luck!
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I think you are right. I'll do that. Thank you.
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I think you are right. I'll do that. Thank you.
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Let us know how you make out.
So what happened with this issue?
Mine has started doing this right after I installed pRSSreader and subscribed to BBc news feed
I took out storage card, soft reset and was quick enough to disable the today screen plugin for the offending app and then uninstall now everything's okay.
Maybe problem was caused by installing pRSSreader to the storage card confused:
Quad said:
So what happened with this issue?
Mine has started doing this right after I installed pRSSreader and subscribed to BBc news feed
I took out storage card, soft reset and was quick enough to disable the today screen plugin for the offending app and then uninstall now everything's okay.
Maybe problem was caused by installing pRSSreader to the storage card confused:
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There was an issue with pRSSreader 1.3.2 I believe. It happened to me. I was able to disable the today plugin and recover, but it took a few tries. It's supposed to be fixed in the latest version.
Freeze TYTN
I had the same problem after installing Nots Push mail 3 party software.
Each SR make my TYTN freeze.
I have used Memmaid in order to remove it from the startup program
It has solved the problem
Mine hung after installing and uninstalling psShutXp. After uninstalling, I kept getting a notification error message whenever I turned it on concerning psShutXp. Then, it just locked up for good. No amount of soft resets, powering off/on helped. After a hard reset and reinstall of my favorite apps, back to working fine.
I do occassionally lock my phone by accident and I get a little freaked out the next time I use it because nothing works. Then, I realize what I did and that I'm a moron and everything's good again.
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There was an issue with pRSSreader 1.3.2 I believe. It happened to me. I was able to disable the today plugin and recover, but it took a few tries. It's supposed to be fixed in the latest version.
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Just checked and that was the version I installed.
edit - according to their website 1.3.2 is the lates version
Hi,
I now have the same problem. I have only a view programs installed. Each softreset hangs at the windows mobile screen.
As I don't like a hard reset everytime, my workaround is to enter the bootloader and do a softreset from there...
Is it cleared in between, what is causing the hangs?
good night
dsp
Im getting a similiar problem with mine after not having added ANY new software recently. Mine hangs at the HTC screen, and no matter whether there is:
A) sim card and microSD card
B) microSD card only
C) sim card only
D) neither
in the machine, it still just hangs at the HTC screen on startup (regardless of whether its a soft or hard reset), and doesnt even make the startup tone, or play the animation, all it shows are a few digits and such in red at the beginning. PLEASE HELP!
Mine has it too
I know its a year later, but has anyone found an answer for the Freezing / not booting / not starting of the phone?
One reason is if you have a BS rom installed. You need to install a stock NBS rom (make sure radio is stripped out or you will have to reflash yours) the reflash your BS rom. Make sure you back-up your contacts and messages first.
Cheers...
Hi.
I just bought a Hermes (HTC TyTN), but something is wrong. I have made some registry hacks according to what I could find here, but ie. the "ClearType on rotation" keeps disappering if I soft reset. Also some CAB files seems to install, but I can't find the applications in the device. Not in any menu, not even by using File Explorer!
The device is supposed to be SIM locked (which it's not!), but could it be software locked?? I would not think, that a SIM lock would mean I wouldn't be able to install various things, but I may be wrong.
I really hope someone has some valuable information for me, because it's really annoying!
If anyone could give me some other advises for tuning the little bugg*r I would be very happy!
I had a "softwareunlock.cab" file for my Wizard, but I can't find a simular for the Hermes. Maybe that would do the trick?!
ROM version 1.18.253.2
Radioversion 1.05.02.10
ExtROM version 1.18.253.8011
TorbenKB said:
Hi.
I just bought a Hermes (HTC TyTN), but something is wrong. I have made some registry hacks according to what I could find here, but ie. the "ClearType on rotation" keeps disappering if I soft reset. Also some CAB files seems to install, but I can't find the applications in the device. Not in any menu, not even by using File Explorer!
The device is supposed to be SIM locked (which it's not!), but could it be software locked?? I would not think, that a SIM lock would mean I wouldn't be able to install various things, but I may be wrong.
I really hope someone has some valuable information for me, because it's really annoying!
If anyone could give me some other advises for tuning the little bugg*r I would be very happy!
I had a "softwareunlock.cab" file for my Wizard, but I can't find a simular for the Hermes. Maybe that would do the trick?!
ROM version 1.18.253.2
Radioversion 1.05.02.10
ExtROM version 1.18.253.8011
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Hi TorbenKB
Are you using a file based registry?
Mike
Hi Mike.
I've been trying to edit the "ClearType" registry manually with PHMRegEdit. It didn't work. Then I found a "cleartypeon.CAB" file (probably for Universal, I can't remember). It seemed to work, but I just did a soft reset before I started this thread and it went back to "no" ClearType when in Landscape....
TorbenKB said:
Hi Mike.
I've been trying to edit the "ClearType" registry manually with PHMRegEdit. It didn't work. Then I found a "cleartypeon.CAB" file (probably for Universal, I can't remember). It seemed to work, but I just did a soft reset before I started this thread and it went back to "no" ClearType when in Landscape....
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If you do a soft reset too early, ALL registry changes will disappear, as has also been pointed out in my registry & WM5-related articles (see for example http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=898&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ).
The solution (to be on the safe side): completely power down your phone (by long-pressing the Power button) before soft reset. It'll make the changes will be flushed back to flash ROM.
Menneisyys said:
If you do a soft reset too early, ALL registry changes will disappear, as has also been pointed out in my registry & WM5-related articles (see for example http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=898&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ).
The solution (to be on the safe side): completely power down your phone (by long-pressing the Power button) before soft reset. It'll make the changes will be flushed back to flash ROM.
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Hi Menneisyys.
Thank you. I wasn't aware of that, since I haven't had the same problems with my Wizard. I always power off (as in press the powerbutton for a sec or 2) and wait for about 30 seconds before I soft reset.
Do you have any idea why some files suddenly disappears? I would assume that when it's "installed"/saved to the internal storage, it would/should stay there. I mean...a "regular user" wouldn't care about turning everything completely off before soft resetting and should not experience loss of data??!!
Does anyone know if Hermes are or could be software locked? Like I said in the first post, I tried to install some programs, and they are not present at all, though they appear in "Add/remove programs".
I'm running a Danish version of WM5 btw.
TorbenKB said:
Do you have any idea why some files suddenly disappears? I would assume that when it's "installed"/saved to the internal storage, it would/should stay there. I
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I would also assume that. Can you tell us:
1. Does this apply to all your installations and if not give us an example or two of disappearing ones?
2. What location are you installing to?
Mike
mikechannon said:
I would also assume that. Can you tell us:
1. Does this apply to all your installations and if not give us an example or two of disappearing ones?
2. What location are you installing to?
Mike
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Thanks Mike.
Well,... not all. I've installed TomTom6 in Main Memory. But tomtom.exe file and other files from the TomTom directory gets deleted on soft reset, but not everytime. I have phoneAlarm and Spb Diary2 installed in Main memory too. They are fine even after several soft resets.
And... I just did yet another soft reset following the "instructions" from Menneisyys, but ClearType in landscape reg-hack is gone!!!
I usually don't do a lot of soft resets, but it seems my Hermes has a problem with charging in my car, whenever I have been using Active Sync at home. Only solution to that=soft reset...
Man, I'm loosing my patience with this device!!
TorbenKB said:
Thanks Mike.
Well,... not all. I've installed TomTom6 in Main Memory. But tomtom.exe file and other files from the TomTom directory gets deleted on soft reset, but not everytime. I have phoneAlarm and Spb Diary2 installed in Main memory too. They are fine even after several soft resets.
And... I just did yet another soft reset following the "instructions" from Menneisyys, but ClearType in landscape reg-hack is gone!!!
I usually don't do a lot of soft resets, but it seems my Hermes has a problem with charging in my car, whenever I have been using Active Sync at home. Only solution to that=soft reset...
Man, I'm loosing my patience with this device!!
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TorbenKB
Now here's the thing! None of this may be any use to you but may spark some ideas and you may well know or have tried them already:
Regards car charging prob:
Active Sync must be fully closed before charging. i.e using a task manager, say Magic Button or HTC X Button etc and not just using the regular X at top right.
And if you get the Problem: Hermes will only charge when switched off Car Charging problem
Pulling out charger lead (or interrupting power supply) while charging in car (with device on or off ) may result in Hermes only charging while turned off
Possible Solution:
a.) Connect charger with power on
b.) Switch on Hermes
c.) Soft reset whilst connected
Hermes should now charge whilst on or off.
This is more to avoid the situation arising than to give a possible way of dealing with it when it has.
Regards the reverting registry:
Hive Registry (current position)
HKLM\System\ObjectStore] RegistryType=1
Possible change to File based registry
HKLM\System\ObjectStore] RegistryType=0
Soft Reset with application such as Tweaks2k2.
Using the device soft-reset button will remove the change again if you use it for the first reset and it will all have been for nothing!
In this setup reg changes should stick after doing resets.
Another thought is that you may have some corruption caused by the changes that are being made and the "last known good" scenario is being used on boot - see here http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...cgconpersistingdatawithhive-basedregistry.asp
Mike
Hi Mike.
Again, thank you for your information.
I have Active Sync running all the time, since I use Push-mail. However, I will try to close it when I get back in my car later today and see if it charges again.
Btw. I'm already running File based registry. Wasn't sure when you asked earlier.
Tweaks2k2 doesn't work with my OS language. Do you know, if something like Spb PocketPlus ability to soft reset would do the job?
I miss some of the nice apps from the Wizard.. like the RegistryWizard by Nico Dekker.
My problems with the TyTN seems endless.. I just found out that if I turn on WiFi and tries to use PIE, the device will connect via UMTS or GSM, not WiFi!!
Seriously considering returning the TyTN and go back to my Wizard...
TorbenKB said:
Hi Mike.
Again, thank you for your information.
I have Active Sync running all the time, since I use Push-mail. However, I will try to close it when I get back in my car later today and see if it charges again.
Btw. I'm already running File based registry. Wasn't sure when you asked earlier.
Tweaks2k2 doesn't work with my OS language. Do you know, if something like Spb PocketPlus ability to soft reset would do the job?
I miss some of the nice apps from the Wizard.. like the RegistryWizard by Nico Dekker.
My problems with the TyTN seems endless.. I just found out that if I turn on WiFi and tries to use PIE, the device will connect via UMTS or GSM, not WiFi!!
Seriously considering returning the TyTN and go back to my Wizard...
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Mmmm.. sounds like it's getting you down
Afraid I don't know answer re SPb. The PIE thing about not using Wifi has come up and there are solutions but sadly I can't recall what. Will find on this board somewhere.
Depending on how vital some of these issues are, makes a difference as to whether you enjoy the tracking down of solutions. And maybe your right, possibly you have too many issues to enjoy the process. In the end though and despite a hard reset with NO backup the other day I still enjoy this device - but then I never had a Wizard!
Mike
mikechannon said:
Mmmm.. sounds like it's getting you down
Afraid I don't know answer re SPb. The PIE thing about not using Wifi has come up and there are solutions but sadly I can't recall what. Will find on this board somewhere.
Depending on how vital some of these issues are, makes a difference as to whether you enjoy the tracking down of solutions. And maybe your right, possibly you have too many issues to enjoy the process. In the end though and despite a hard reset with NO backup the other day I still enjoy this device - but then I never had a Wizard!
Mike
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Hi Mike.
I will go home and do a hard reset this afternoon. Maybe I'll just use a different ROM version and see if that makes a difference. I suspect that my mobileoperator have made some sort of application lock, which locks down every attempt to change the device..
But thank you very much for your help (and Menneisyys too). I'll search the forum yet another time to see if I can find solutions...
If none of this makes a difference, I'll return the Hermes and cry myself to sleep tonight. ...and in the morning be back with my s-l-o-w Wizard...
Phone rings, I pick up the call, the screen shows connected and starts the call timer but you cant hear anyone the other end. hang up the call and the phone freezes with only a soft reset (taking battery out) works. I have a T-Mobile contract handset and was running the 1.43 rom. I thought maybe flashing to another rom might help so tried the 1.48 update but still having problems. I have hard reset and installed no software but still have the problem. Any ideas guys....
Obvious answer: Don't answer calls!
On the serious side, if you are seeing the same issue regardless of software and after a hard reset it is most likely your hardware. Get in the que to get it replaced as soon as possible. I hope it doesn't sour your opinion of the phone too much, it really is a great phone.
alaa61tarek said:
Phone rings, I pick up the call, the screen shows connected and starts the call timer but you cant hear anyone the other end. hang up the call and the phone freezes with only a soft reset (taking battery out) works. I have a T-Mobile contract handset and was running the 1.43 rom. I thought maybe flashing to another rom might help so tried the 1.48 update but still having problems. I have hard reset and installed no software but still have the problem. Any ideas guys....
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Change your memory card to a class 6 that stoped my phone from freezing.
Memory card
dam26 said:
Change your memory card to a class 6 that stoped my phone from freezing.
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Will T-Mobile Provide Said Card. I know they are not cheap and if that fixes it then they should...
idk i tried everything possible but still didnt work..i called them already and they are gonna send me a replacement phone..now i need help installing an OFFICIAL T-MOBILE rom? can someone help me find one..and i dont want the ones that says test only not for sale :S i want an official one? any suggestions plz
go to the market place and try spb mobile shell My phone started to run faster and smoother so maybe it can be sence causing it. evenhtough i doubt it.
alaa61tarek said:
Phone rings, I pick up the call, the screen shows connected and starts the call timer but you cant hear anyone the other end. hang up the call and the phone freezes with only a soft reset (taking battery out) works. I have a T-Mobile contract handset and was running the 1.43 rom. I thought maybe flashing to another rom might help so tried the 1.48 update but still having problems. I have hard reset and installed no software but still have the problem. Any ideas guys....
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1.43 ROM? That is a 512LEO type ROM, you might want to step up to at least a 2.10 ROM if you have a 1024 Tmo HD2
If you want the stock ROM without the "trial" then go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655653
Then download and install the 2.10 ROM (This will clear the "trial" screen)
Then install the 2.10.1; and it will put everything back to stock except for the HSPL (if you run from PC)
What do you mean by "if you run from pc"