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Tips for buying a Hermes based PDA-Phone

I want to purchase a PDA-Phone based on the Hermes platform A.S.A.P.
I would like to hear the opinions of people that saw more than one version of these devices, in order to make an... "inspired" choice.
There is one limitation though: the PDA-Phone mustn't be one of the ones that were branded by carriers (e.g. I can't buy the Orange SPV M3100, the Vodafone one etc.). There is a good reason for this so there's nothing I can do about it.
One other thing: there's no issue about where to buy the phone. I can get it. Just recommend something nice!
Thank you in advance for all your posts !
Cheers,
Screech

Go to the HTC website, they have a list of suppliers of their phones without a simlock; http://www.htc.com

10q for the reply
Olipro said:
Go to the HTC website, they have a list of suppliers of their phones without a simlock; http://www.htc.com
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Can you be more specific as to the exact URL for this list. I looked around and didn't find a thing. Thank you again!
Screech

I think your choices are the HTC TyTN or a QTEK. Go to expansys to see the devices, and frankly if cost is no object, just buy from them too.
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cscrieciu0 said:
Can you be more specific as to the exact URL for this list. I looked around and didn't find a thing. Thank you again!
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Yeah, probably you want to give him your bank account information and address so he can order the phone for you on your behalf. And possibly fetch the phone for you from your front door to your bedroom while you lie on your bed
http://www.htc.com/ -> Europe -> Product -> TyTN -> Where to buy?

Front Camera on Hermes?

Hey I've been searching for places to find a replacement for the vga camera on the front of my phone, but I cant find anything. I've found a few people linking to places that no longer exist, but i can't find anything....
Does anybody know where i can buy one of these?

It may help to know the following:
The front camera is manufactured by the Liteon Corporation of Taiwan:
http://www.liteon.com/page.aspx?id=4cdd6857-1b68-4eec-82c2-3d612c9b866f
It may be worth checking with them to see if they supply direct through their on-line Service Contact page:
http://www.liteon.com/Services.aspx?id=34a8d337-1424-4c7a-b219-80a96f109207
The Front Camera Module is:
Liteon Part No: 05P019
HTC Part No: 54H00157-00P (HTC list no alternatives for this component)
Mike

that reminds, me.......i emailed them like a month or two ago, when u first posted this info......bastards didnt reply obviously

mikechannon said:
It may help to know the following:
The front camera is manufactured by the Liteon Corporation of Taiwan:
http://www.liteon.com/page.aspx?id=4cdd6857-1b68-4eec-82c2-3d612c9b866f
It may be worth checking with them to see if they supply direct through their on-line Service Contact page:
http://www.liteon.com/Services.aspx?id=34a8d337-1424-4c7a-b219-80a96f109207
The Front Camera Module is:
Liteon Part No: 05P019
HTC Part No: 54H00157-00P (HTC list no alternatives for this component)
Mike
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thanks for the links, but its all in taiwanese or whatever...
XtreMe_G said:
that reminds, me.......i emailed them like a month or two ago, when u first posted this info......bastards didnt reply obviously
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thats a little disheartening

lupes5 said:
thanks for the links, but its all in taiwanese or whatever...
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On the top line of the site is a small box with Eng - click that and you will get the site in English.
Mike

x1i prototype?

I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?

Thats why it was so cheap
Mine not say prototype....
But you should not care about that if it works well...And have no cracks

prototypes tend to have downgraded hardware than the actual retail

do you have pics of it? please show them! i'm curious to know if yours has a button on the bottom left corner.. kinda like the camera button but instead it's on the left side. iirc the prototype models had that button and one of the reviewers said it was supposed to be made for switching between landscape/portrait.

This is not supposed to be sold! I work there at Sony Ericsson, last time somebody sold a prototype version of a phone he got fired. This guy is either stupid or careless

Depends how old the prototype is then the hardware might be inferior (less ram). One advantage you have is that your phone is most likely "Security Unlocked"
Have a look at the back, what week was it produced on?
As for the person that sold it, they shouldn't have. It's not meant for resale!
I can confirm that anything above 08W25 is good

thanks
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.

I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me

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Quite the opposite: SE prototypes ALWAYS have the final HW inside, it's usually the initial sw that's pre-RC - which does not effect him as his most likely been upgraded to MR1 at least...

rc3ilynt said:
I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?
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Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools. And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed. Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.

AviatorEkis said:
Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools.
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False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed.
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False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
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I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.
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What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...

goldenchild7801 said:
I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me
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It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.

szlevi said:
False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service. And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
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False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
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Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
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I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
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A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
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What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
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Not someone, SE. You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
szlevi said:
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...
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Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.

szlevi said:
It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.
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I got rid of the p990i awhile ago, Im sporting an X1 now

rc3ilynt said:
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.
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My X1i is also prototype 08W25, and it doesn't have another button, also all hardware is the same as in final device. You can update rom to any in this forum without any problems, of course it also mean you can update to official R2A rom. I had about 5 X1i different prototypes, older and newer (with extra button and without, full ram 288mb and half 128mb and all can be updated to any newest rom available. But for this which have only 128mb ram I recommend R1A rom which have less ram requaiment (ie there is some problems with running some apps on R2A roms after few hours of use on 128mb ram device becouse much ram is missing then).
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Oh, and prototype devices have much better cover/housing, I have mine more then 5 months (and it wasnt new when I bought it) and it still don't have any crack on the cover!

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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service.
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It is not *internal* at all, ask first if you have no clue - any service center with SE connections has - or can have - a login.
And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
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As I said, false. Once again: why don't you ask first instead of spreading stupid rumors?
Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
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Do you actually know WTF are you talking about? SE service centers are regualr private, authorized 3rd party shops - they are the one who have logins to EMMA.
Stop talking bull when you obviously don't know much about them, please.
A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
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Thanks for confirming it's obviously a stupid rumor, nothing else.
Not someone, SE.
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Never heard of anything like this - any link?
Let me guess you don't have any...
You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
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You are truly clueless: these are most likely not stolen but sales samples, pal. Another newsflash: tracking users are borderline illegal in most countries (unless you have a criminal case and police/court/law is involved.)
Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.
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Again: why don't you ask before you post silly assumptions as facts?
FYI: almost all protos are given away and their owners are free to sell it later. (it isn't nice to sell it when it's still new, khm. )
Once retail products are out en masse most protos end up either collect dust on a shelf or end up on eBay.
I'm sure few end up being stolen but they are just like any other phone - nobody traces them down at all unless someone requests it.

Did HTC Slip in a Revised HD2 Hardware Spec?

I thought folks would find this interesting, to say the least.
There has been a lot of rumor and theorizing about the infamous "Yellow Reset Button" believed by some to signify a new run of phones, supposedly marking the phones as after the first 50k production units. This may be entirely true, partially true, or a complete fabrication, elevated to the status of urban legend, right up there with "It is illegal to kill a Praying Mantis, and you will get a $50 fine if you do, LOL! (You won't trust me on THAT at least.)
So it was with some excitement that I received a "Yellow Button Special" as my 4th warranty refurb. Let's just say that it did not quite life up to the hype, and was the absolute worst as far as lock ups, and I had 3 previous ones to compare it with. Part of the reason I put this in the Energy Forum was a Tweet that our esteemed chef put out about 5-6 weeks ago, saying that he had a yellow reset button model and was experiencing nolockups. That's quite a claim to make for ANY Windows Mobile handset, but I do not doubt his observation. I do believe it was probably early in the testing of said phone, and that he could not have kept such a sparkling record going indefinitely.
So, by way of a long story, I come to the blasted point, LOL! Anyone who haunts this forum knows my posts tend to be... let's say verbose! Nevertheless, attached are two pictures of the Part Number for two phones, both refurbs, and both from T-Mobile Warranty Support. Called and pleased my case, whereupon T-Mobile agreed to send me handset #5 - yep. This is my fifth T-Mobile HTC HD2 Phone.
And? Its GREAT! It works better than any other one I have had, in particular the Bluetooth A2DP works to my stereo headset without cutting out. I have had no lockups in over a full weeks use, with multiple ROMs flashed to it. Display is perfect, sensitive (I know thats driver, not hardware related, but just sayin. I have put it through a pretty vigorous set of daily use testing, and it has been beautiful.
Now for the clincher, and it's nothing to do with a "Yellow Reset Button". If you must know it DOES have a yellow button, BUT: It also has a different part number
Check the attached pics, which I covered my IMEI and my S/N (paranoia, no other reason, he he)
I have checked Serial/IMEI and Part Numbers on each refurb they sent, and all have had the exact same part number. Until now, that is:
The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
What does this mean? As an expert witness for the prosecution I will TELL YOU! The answer is: I haven't a clue what it means, or if it means ANYTHING. I do know that it is significant, and to me, a different Part Number means a revision. What revision, and even if its a GOOD revision remains open to speculation. I prefer to think I have "One of the new, GOOD ones", LOL. But seriously I don't know. It would be interesting if anyone cares to track these and see what we can learn, if if anyone on the forum actually KNOWS what the bumped up part # signifies. Anyone have any info?

For me, i think the rumour that they changed the button to yellow because america expects small red dots to be water indicators holds more of a ring of truth than a build version marker. I just think it coincided with a second surge in production.

hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C

Since november Ive only ever had one entirely solid and dependable HD2, it has a p/n ending in 039-00.
im quite curious to see how these numbers reflect on the time/location of production....

What are folks doing to their HD2 to have multiple ones?
I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.

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I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.
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There is a sloution...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6524948#post6524948

Rurph said:
hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C
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SmartAs$Phone said:
The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
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My HD2 purchased in 10/2009 reads 99HJY005-00 XB

A Way to ID the CID 15 without loading app

I have four G900Vs at home. Two of them have CID 15 and two have CID 11. Under the battery there is a sticker with the IMEI. The line above the IMEI has what appears to be a version number and I think it's the hardware version. Both of my CID 15 phones have 14.08 and one of the CID 11 phones has 14.09, the other is 14.10. My guess is that the CID 15 phones were the early runs and all probably have the 14.08 number while anything higher is going to be CID 11.
To the forum: Can everyone check that sticker and post the number above the IMEI line and what CID their phone has?

In checking 4 phones with confirmed CID's of 15, I see: 14.05, 14.04, 14.06, & 14.05.
I've found this to be a reliable way of getting a phone with a CID of 15. HOWEVER, I have come across a phone with a code of 14.08 and a CID of 11, so it seems that 14.08 is for sure the cut off, and that particular code should not be relied upon solely for a 15 phone.

So all below 14.09. So far this theory is planning out. I just didn't know there was anything below 14.08.

naviathan said:
So all below 14.09. So far this theory is planning out. I just didn't know there was anything below 14.08.
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One of my CID15 phones shows 14.04.
Is it so difficult to run EMMC BrickBug Test from the Market? Or have a look at the logic board?

When you're trying to buy a phone from someone and you want to make sure it's CID 15 but they have already factory reset it, yes.

naviathan said:
When you're trying to buy a phone from someone and you want to make sure it's CID 15 but they have already factory reset it, yes.
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Ok, that's clear.
I'd rather buy a phone with Toshiba chip because it seems to me that they are more reliable than Samsung's ones.
FYI, I have here labels with numbers 15.01, 15.08 - don't remember what were the chips on these boards.
And I have one 16.10 - this one has a Toshiba chip.
Hope this will help you

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Ok, that's clear.
I'd rather buy a phone with Toshiba chip because it seems to me that they are more reliable than Samsung's ones.
FYI, I have here labels with numbers 15.01, 15.08 - don't remember what were the chips on these boards.
And I have one 16.10 - this one has a Toshiba chip.
Hope this will help you
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Any idea what the CID were? I'm not familiar with the relationship between the chip manufacturer and the CID.
It is interesting that the version numbers are so wide spread. It still seems to hold out that the 14.08 and below are CID 15 and anything 14.09 and up is CID 11.

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Any idea what the CID were? I'm not familiar with the relationship between the chip manufacturer and the CID.
It is interesting that the version numbers are so wide spread. It still seems to hold out that the 14.08 and below are CID 15 and anything 14.09 and up is CID 11.
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CID15 - Samsung EMMC chip.
CID11 - Toshiba EMMC chip.
Currently can neither confirm nor disprove your theory.
Too little material to confirm and no facts to disprove .
But those numbers look like dates, as for me. Not as HW versions.

bbsc said:
CID15 - Samsung EMMC chip.
CID11 - Toshiba EMMC chip.
Currently can neither confirm nor disprove your theory.
Too little material to confirm and no facts to disprove .
But those numbers look like dates, as for me. Not as HW versions.
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So you think it might be a manufacturing YY.MM date?

naviathan said:
So you think it might be a manufacturing YY.MM date?
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We cannot know it for sure. But I think it may be a manufacturing date or something.
You can compare these dates with those that "Phone Info Samsung" app shows.
Mostly, they match each other for my phones.
And look. Even if these numbers are dates, your theory may be valid.

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We cannot know it for sure. But I think it may be a manufacturing date or something.
You can compare these dates with those that "Phone Info Samsung" app shows.
Mostly, they match each other for my phones.
And look. Even if these numbers are dates, your theory may be valid.
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I'll have to check that out, thanks. So far so good on the ranges though.

naviathan said:
I'll have to check that out, thanks. So far so good on the ranges though.
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Checked three more devices: 14.12, 15.01 and 15.10. All of them have CID11.

bbsc said:
Checked three more devices: 14.12, 15.01 and 15.10. All of them have CID11.
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You seem to have access to a lot of phones....lol

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You seem to have access to a lot of phones....lol
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Yes, SM-G900V is my family phone because it's excellent device for extremely low price.
I buy them "for parts" and don't pay more then $40 for each.

bbsc said:
Yes, SM-G900V is my family phone because it's excellent device for extremely low price.
I buy them "for parts" and don't pay more then $40 for each.
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Understandable. My wife and I have been using the S5 for at least 5 years now. Love these phones.

naviathan said:
I'll have to check that out, thanks. So far so good on the ranges though.
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And the last phone I can currently access shows 14.06 and has CID15.
BTW, these numbers on the stickers correspond "RF Cal" date, which is shown in info, accessed by dialing *#12580*369# (see attachment).

bbsc said:
And the last phone I can currently access shows 14.06 and has CID15.
BTW, these numbers on the stickers correspond "RF Cal" date, which is shown in info, accessed by dialing *#12580*369# (see attachment).
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That's pretty cool. So one could assume then that it's the frequency calibration date for the modem?

naviathan said:
That's pretty cool. So one could assume then that it's the frequency calibration date for the modem?
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Only Samsung konws for sure.
You may want to have a look at this ppt: https://ppt-online.org/55831
There's something about "RF Cal" starting from p.70.
But tell nobody about it

bbsc said:
Only Samsung konws for sure.
You may want to have a look at this ppt: https://ppt-online.org/55831
There's something about "RF Cal" starting from p.70.
But tell nobody about it
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That slideshow is epic....Wow. Now I need a toaster over I can convert for heating phones.

I think you're on to something! I had three phones I could check.
CID 15:
14.06
14.07
CID 11:
16.08
This could really make it a lot easier to find the correct revision. Great observation!