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Imate Jasjar and Sony Ericsson BT Headset HBH-610

Let me open up the convo by saying "what a complete nightmare"
I bought a BT headset this weekend (sony Ericsson HBH610)
apparently the firmware on my version is hidiously buggy (version R1A).
However when i use it with my nokia 6310 it works fine, when used with the jasjar its so unstable its untrue, here's what I've noticed.....
When you activate the voice dialing feature either by pressing the button on the jasjar or the button on the headset, voice dialing is activated and it listens for your voice instructions.
(1) if when you say a name it is found by your phone, dialing commences and sound is passed to the headset and everythings is ok
if on the other hand...
(2) you press the voicedial (again on headset or jasjar) and the voice is not found the entire phone hangs and you have to soft reboot. I mean how annoying can that be, isnt the whole point of handfree BT headsets so that you dont actually have to touch the phone.
Has anyone experienced this ?
does anyone know if Firmware for BT headsets can be upgraded by the user or is it a sony service centre job >?

I use a SE HBH-662 (with caller ID) and it works a treat. I dont face any of the problems you mentioned.

Help with Bluetooth Headset!!

Sorry if you have already read this but I am still having a problem!!
I got the new Bluetake iphone mini stereo headphones for christmas and was hoping to use them with my MDA Pro (running the new O2 ROM).
I have them paired as a "Hands Free" device...
I know that I can't use the stereo features until the new A2DP patch come out (hopefully soon!), however what I want to be able to do is use voice command to initiate calls etc. However when I press the call/power or Play/Pause button all I hear is a beep from the headset and nothing hapens on the PDA...
However I can use the button to answer and hangup a call (as long as I answered it with the handset...) If I initiate the call on the MDA then I can't hangup with the headset...
Am I doing something wrong or does it sound like something is faulty??
Any advice?
Thanks
Andy.

I actually had an oportunity to try out the voice levels and sound is awful! I also tried to connect it to my SE T610 and it refused and it did the same when I tried to connect it to my Toshiba M200 tablet PC as in both cases it never asked for the passkey...
I am begining to think that they must be faulty??
But becuase I have never had a BT headset before so I'm not sure if I am doing something stupid!
Andy

I have managed to try a SE BT headset with my MDA Pro and it did work and activate voice command. So it would seem that the headset is faulty. Does anyone have any ideas before I send it back?
Andy

Please!! Is there anyone here who can comment on whether they think these are broken or if I am just incompetent!
If they are broken then I need to send them back really soon...

FWIW, my Jabra BT330 and the SE HBH-662 just need a single quick click to activate the voice dial, but these Plantronics Pulsar 590A things I just got (which are fandabidosi by the way!) need a prolonged press to do the same.
Have you tried keeping your finger on the button for a while?
Ferg.

andykemp said:
Sorry if you have already read this but I am still having a problem!!
I got the new Bluetake iphone mini stereo headphones for christmas and was hoping to use them with my MDA Pro (running the new O2 ROM).
I have them paired as a "Hands Free" device...
I know that I can't use the stereo features until the new A2DP patch come out (hopefully soon!), however what I want to be able to do is use voice command to initiate calls etc. However when I press the call/power or Play/Pause button all I hear is a beep from the headset and nothing hapens on the PDA...
However I can use the button to answer and hangup a call (as long as I answered it with the handset...) If I initiate the call on the MDA then I can't hangup with the headset...
Am I doing something wrong or does it sound like something is faulty??
Any advice?
Thanks
Andy.
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Just looked at the instructions for the bluetake i-phone (bt450rx),
(got them myself for xmas)
and it does not say that you can connect to the phone for voice control,
however you should be able to hang up from the headset.
i have got the k-jam (wizard) and can dial from the k-jam and hangup from the headset.
voice control may not be available because the new bluetooth stereo headset's are ready for AVRCP (Audio Video Remote Control Profile).
the older bluetake headset bt420rx can be used for voice control but do not have AVRCP function.
I hope i am wrong, but it may be the answer you have not been looking for.

Hmm... That sounds bad...
I only have a few days left to return it and don't know whether to get a replacement or to go for a different headset?

i like the idea of being able to play/pause/f-foward/rewind via the headset(when bt v2 upgrade is available), because music playback is more important to me than voice dial.
of course if you can send it back, then perhaps just wait until bt v2 is available, and then buy a headset for the uses you require it for.(wish there was an emotion with cross eyes) LOL

I know what you mean but I would still be able to use voice command!!
Does anyone else have the 450Rx and a universal and could test it for me?

if you do prove me wrong (and i hope you do) please let me know.

answering this problem further,
the bluetake i-phono mini headset cannot be used for voice command,
however the motorola ht820 can be used for voice control.

Had similar issues with my headset (not the same type). In the end, I had enable secure mode on the universal, pair the devices, select serial port and then immediately initiate the voice dial, otherwise it didn't work.
Gareth

I decided to play it safe and returned it back to Expansys for a refund. When someone else gets a set of stereo headphones and A2DP is out... and crucially they can confirm it works! Then I'll buy a new one!
Cheers
Andy

one good thing with motorola ht820 is that they can be used with a detatchable cable, so whilst i'm using them bluetooth for the phone side, i can still hear good quality music.
also i know from trying them with my wife's qtek s110 that you can control windows media player as well.

you may have already tried this, but just in case you haven't,
install and run the three files for either "bt off", "bt on", or "bt toggle",
this will switch all audio to the bt headset or away,
of course quality is not good, but at least no cables.
ps. if the headset is switch off and you put bt on, you will get an on screen error message.

aliendad said:
one good thing with motorola ht820 is that they can be used with a detatchable cable, so whilst i'm using them bluetooth for the phone side, i can still hear good quality music.
also i know from trying them with my wife's qtek s110 that you can control windows media player as well.
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Do they come with this cable as standard?
EDIT: Did a search, and they do.... might just buy them now and sell my Sony EX-71's.... would they we at least the same in terms of sound quality? It's the thing people talk about least with these devices!
So lemme see if I got this right.... even before I get A2DP installed on my Exec, I can listen to perfect music using the cable, and also use the hphones as a bluetooth headset as well? Will the music still pause etc when a call comes in?

Just bought a pair of HT820's on Ebay there.... £38, not too bad. Should get about £25-30 for two pairs of existing headphones, so well please.

How to detect pressing button on headset?

Does any known how to detect when user press answer button on headset? What event or message generated by system? I find only some event that occurs when user insert headset jack in phone.

The AG service gets a "AT+CKPD=200" message
What i'm interestet in ; How do you send these AT commands ?

I'm sorry, but what is "AG service"?

Audio Gateway.
As far as I remember WM5 has standart API to register AG message handler. WM2003SE and older don't have a standart way.

It's not good. I'm interested in WM2003

Voice Dialing via Bluetooth NOT available on Atom
I thought that when I bought my Atom I would have voice dialing over a Bluetooth Headset. My friend has an Exec and it works fine. However, not with the Atom. Even the latest ROM doesn't support it. I have 4 headsets, all pair in Handsfree profile, all have call answering, call ending and last number re-dial working perfectly, but none will initiate voice dialing with the Atom, but all will voice dial with my Nokia 6230.
Therefore it is not a WM5 built in feature and is still ROM dependant. It doesn't matter whether you use the built in voice program, Vito, Neuvoice or M$ Voicedial, the stack simply won't support the AT command.
C'mon O2, it's about the only thing that is crook with the Atom. Other than that it is just the worlds best pda/phone!

Re: Voice Dialing via Bluetooth NOT available on Atom
Camstech said:
I thought that when I bought my Atom I would have voice dialing over a Bluetooth Headset. My friend has an Exec and it works fine. However, not with the Atom. Even the latest ROM doesn't support it. I have 4 headsets, all pair in Handsfree profile, all have call answering, call ending and last number re-dial working perfectly, but none will initiate voice dialing with the Atom, but all will voice dial with my Nokia 6230.
Therefore it is not a WM5 built in feature and is still ROM dependant. It doesn't matter whether you use the built in voice program, Vito, Neuvoice or M$ Voicedial, the stack simply won't support the AT command.
C'mon O2, it's about the only thing that is crook with the Atom. Other than that it is just the worlds best pda/phone!
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Couldn't agree more!
About voice dialer. I thought it was just because Atom needs bluetooth headset button to be pressed for a while to launch dialer. It acts so with wired headset. Unfortunately, i have just one bluetooth headset to play with. And it turns off after 2 sec. holding the button.
On my Dopod 818pro everything acts like a charm (VD runs after a single press), so it isn't a WM5 bug.

can someone enable activating MS Voice Command from a wired headset for WM5?
it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

I have the same problem using a bluetooth headset but if I use the wired headset supplied with my Atom it works fine.

that's good news. so, many OEMs are realizing the importance of this feature. so far, they have it in the Treo 700w and according to you, the Atom.
btw, did you have MS Voice Command pre-installed in your Atom, or did you buy it separately?
thanks,

The talk button on the wired headset is a "fake" button. It generates an special pattern in the recorded audio that it's recognized by the phone application.

It generates an special pattern in the recorded audio that it's recognized by the phone application.
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Are you sure about that?
I've disembled quite a few headsets and the usual way is to shortcircut the mic-wire with one of the stereo-wires, whitch in return has to be cought by the mainboard and then translated to a command.

I'm not sure, but seems pretty feasible. That button is only used by the phone applicacion, which needs to open the wave input device.
Detecting the button pressing is pretty simple: recording at 16 bits, the average of the absolute value of the samples in complete silence is at least 100, with the talk button pressed, 6 or 7.

HELP PLEASE...Your supplied handfree working? Mine is NOT.

Hello all
Can you tell me is your supplied handfree working?
I just installed some mp3's onto a new SD card, while I had the headphones on I thought I would try handsfree, it does not work.
The silver button you press to activate voice dial or answer calls does nothing, and I cannot speak into the microphone, I can only hear calls.
I have voice tabbed my contacts, voice dialing works great on the phone but not the headset. Inside the phone, the phone menu has 'Turn Hands-free On', this is greyed out. Has this feature been removed from the phone?
The phone is Orange SPV M600
Thanks

i find the button on the headset useless. 9 times out of ten it does nothing, then suddently it will end a call or open the voice prompt. I gave up and put it down to a windowsism.

Well, mine can only answer calls, it will not start voice dial and will not open the phone app. No problems with sound or mic.
I use Motorola H350 anyway so it doesn't really bother me.

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From a lot of Googling I have found nothing official even mentioning the use of the handsfree they advertise and supply. However, it would appear that this phone is only capable of answering and closing calls with handsfree, so not truly handsfree.
You still have to take out your nice new, expensive toy in order to make a call, clearly advertising it to potential muggers. Where I live that is just about everyone you see.
Does seem strange though that cheap old Nokias can do this, but a nice new computerised phone can not. Then again it is Microsoft. I have only had it a week, but already I have found that WM5 is not very backward compatible with software. There are issues with bluetooth headsets (which is why I cancelled an order), and in a week just like old ME, I have lost count of the number Soft Resets that I have had to perform.

I find the most useless feature is the voice dial, you have to open, start, programs, voicedial to make a call or use it. Why not just run the app manually rather than trust voicedial to guess what your after.

Sorry guys but I am not sure what the fuss is about.
I had my phone for a month before getting the BT headset (no problems there by the way) so I assigned the voice speed dial to the comm manager button. Easy and useful and you have the comm manager icon in the today tray so the button is not a major loss.
Now that I have the H350 which is more comfortable than the wired hands-free any way, everything works smoothly but this is with the i-mate ROM. Perhaps your BT troubles are from the Orange ROM?

voice speed used to work.....
I have an H500 headset which used to work splendidly on my Orange M600. The silver button would launch voice dialling and pick up and end calls.
however I upgraded to the Dopod ROm and now it does bugger all! I can hear the calls, but the headset will not launch voice dialling, and all options are greyed out.
Question is, is this feature in the main ROm or the extended part....I have acopy of the Orane extended ROm but can't see anything that looks like the right cab file.
I did not let Dopod customisations run after upgrading, and I really don't want to do a hard reset again!
If anyone knows which file you need to install voice speed dialling I'd be grateful!

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sickboy555 said:
I have an H500 headset which used to work splendidly on my Orange M600. The silver button would launch voice dialling and pick up and end calls.
however I upgraded to the Dopod ROm and now it does bugger all! I can hear the calls, but the headset will not launch voice dialling, and all options are greyed out.
Question is, is this feature in the main ROm or the extended part....I have acopy of the Orane extended ROm but can't see anything that looks like the right cab file.
I did not let Dopod customisations run after upgrading, and I really don't want to do a hard reset again!
If anyone knows which file you need to install voice speed dialling I'd be grateful!
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The wired headset does not work fully, it can only be used to answer or close calls, it will not initiate voice dialing. I bought a cheap bluetooth headset off of ebay, it paired straight away and initiates voice dialing. I have never been able to get my headet to work, I now just plug it in if I want to play music.

I am not sure about Dopod and Orange ROMs, but in i-mate ROM the speed dial app it self (cyberon voice speed dial) is in the extended ROM while it's settings applet is in ROM.
As for the part that is responsible for answering / ending calls that should be in ROM with any version.

the H500 IS a bluetooth headset- it's a Motorola and wasn't cheap!
It used to work as I say, then I went to the Dopod ROM and now there is no voice speed dialing at all.
I can't seem to find the cyberon cab files anywhere....

sickboy555 said:
the H500 IS a bluetooth headset- it's a Motorola and wasn't cheap!
It used to work as I say, then I went to the Dopod ROM and now there is no voice speed dialing at all.
I can't seem to find the cyberon cab files anywhere....
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Sorry I read too quickly, I originally started this post before I got bluetooth as I could not get the wired set to work.

Hi
From what I had read in the past when I was having problems with my headset, Cyberon's Voice Speed Dial software is embedded in the OS it does not come as a cutomisation. I have just brought mine up and it simply says Cyberon Voice Speed Dial Setting Version 1.1 Build 51212. Copyright (c) 2005 Cyberon Corporation. There is nothing there related to Orange, and I can not find it in any of the Orange Extended ROM CABS.
I guess Microsoft did a deal with them to install it in the Phone Edition of WM5.

BT Voice Command Headset Feedback

Just got hold of a Universal to tide me over while I wait for the Kaiser/Vario 3 as I dropped my Vario I last week :-(
Question: Voice Command Worked fine on my Vario I for ages - I'm now trying to get this working on the Universal but whenever I press the activate button it kicks in fine but whatever I say I can hear through the earpiece (but the Universal can't) - almost like the mic is being fed directly to the speaker. Jabra BT250V.
My father-in-law had this phone before me and he had the same problem when trying to talk using BT (normal use, not Voice Command) - is it this/Jabra headset(s) or a prob with the Universal?
Using KDSKamal WM6 now (great, thanks!) - previous problems on original O2 WM5 so it makes me think that the problem is with the hardware but I'm open to suggestions!
Thanks
Aaron