Dose TomTom needs 1-2 minutes starting up for everyone or is it just mine :?:
My S200 is over clocked to 240! the speed overall is acceptable
On my Prophet the TomTom soft with German map takes only 15secs to load, with no other programs loaded before. And my machine is not overclocked.
Depend cold start 45 seconds. Warm start in 15 seconds.
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Dose TomTom needs 1-2 minutes starting up for everyone or is it just mine :?:
My S200 is over clocked to 240! the speed overall is acceptable
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Fully agree.
for some unexplained reason, TT5 takes a LOOOOOT of time to load.
IMHO it may be related to other programs running, even if you are plenty of memory.
A large contact list delays the mahine a lot, and I've got TT5 to stuck in a certain position up to ONE MINUTE without updating (screen coloured, not a GPS antenna problem)
I just quit using my S200, recover my JAM, and I'm selling my one month old S200.
The Prophet has too many compromises to be ready for prime time. WM5 may be the problem, but I guess the OMAP processor has it share of responsability too. What a pity!
See some other coments on this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54148
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Depend cold start 45 seconds. Warm start in 15 seconds.
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BTW it's about 5 times as much as a JAM//S100 needs.
And we call that "the S100 next generation"?
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JAM = RAM & WM2003
JAMin = ROM & WM5.0
RAM more fast than ROM. Is IMPOSSIBLE that ROM memories goes more quickly than RAM.
The next generation is Slow, but you can turn off completly without lose data & program.
You Choose!
Strange, my Jamin takes a few seconds less (approx 30) than my Jam (approx 35 - 40) to load TT5. However it is installed on an SD card on both machines and there may be some differences between these cards...
Once running there is no noticable difference, except that the Jam is just a little quicker at plotting routes. However I am very happy with the Jamin and TT5
Sagit said:
JAM = RAM & WM2003
JAMin = ROM & WM5.0
RAM more fast than ROM. Is IMPOSSIBLE that ROM memories goes more quickly than RAM.
The next generation is Slow, but you can turn off completly without lose data & program.
You Choose!
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I dissagree.
Standard ROM may be faster, "Permanent non volatil RAM" is NOT (This is what you have on the Prophet).
Don't be fooled by the acronisms. Read the specs.
I sync with 2 PC, plus regular Outlook backups, etc. In all this years I`ve never lost data just based on dead bateries. However the S200 forced a hard reset on my first day with it! This is a REAL data lost.
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It's not that I don't like the S200 specs, I bought it based on that!, is it very POOR performance what turned my down about it.
Anybody that undertand a little of phisical RAM & ROM know that RAM is faster that ROM.
You are contradiction all teory or I unkonw ROM faster that RAM. It's posible that you rom faster than ram cost 3000€
i prefer I-Go
you can find info @ http://www.i-go.com/
starts pretty fast and the installation is fast and the maps are high from quality and small from size.....
smaller than those from TomTom
I like IGO, but introduce pois from tomtom (velocity radar limits) and another do it slow initialize. And no voice advise from radar pois...
Igo really good and not yet well impemented, i a few weeks change this circunstance, sure!
1:15 after reboot of Prophet
Few seconds less at second start of TomTom after closure of first session.
50 seconds on 252 Mhz after full reboot of Prophet.
Tried on a Wizzard this week. That was noticably faster (did not time it).
Could be because of having a slow SD card. I have a 2 GIG Sandisk MINI in a adapter.
Robin
mine takes 20 secs to completely startup tomtom. I run it at factory speed so without overclocking. I also use a 2gig sandisk mini sd. I use the orange rom. So no speed isues here.
grt,
Ruben
20 seconds here.
Running Tom Tom @ 240mhz but otherwise the JAMin runs at normal speed.
Regards
To all those having a slow loading time, did you install Tom Tom on the SD card or the main memory?
What about those that are not complaining?
@acer175
With 15secs startup after reboot, I have both the TT program and lots of maps to choose from on a Transcend 4GB card. The factory-clocked Prophet handles TT well, period.
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@acer175
With 15secs startup after reboot, I have both the TT program and lots of maps to choose from on a Transcend 4GB card. The factory-clocked Prophet handles TT well, period.
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So how do we get such different results?
Still, my point is how with the same TT5 program and the same (Phisically the same) SD card, can a JAM be way faster than an S200?
:?:
Plain factory configuration, just a few installed NON-RESIDENT programs, ??
Maybe English (WWE) or German ROMs are better developped?
:x
If you loaded TomTom on an SD card, try copying all of your files to a pc. Format the SD card, then copy all the files back. Sort of a defrag method for the SD card.
I was having trouble with TomTom taking too long to load until I did this. Now TT loads in about a quarter of the time as it took before.
Hope it helps.
My experience:
Tomtom 5.21 in ROM + map of Germany(~230MB) on an old Kingston 256MB SD-card
Startup time: ~45secs
Route calculation is at an acceptable speed.
OEM XDA neo (german) ROM, versions see below.
Oh and default clockrate of course.
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My experience:
Tomtom 5.21 in ROM + map of Germany(~230MB) on an old Kingston 256MB SD-card
Startup time: ~45secs
Route calculation is at an acceptable speed.
OEM XDA neo (german) ROM, versions see below.
Oh and default clockrate of course.
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Just tested: JAM, 1 Gb Sandisk card, 250 Gb Spain map. Time to load... 8 seconds.
And we call the S200 the Evolution?
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Hi all,
TomTom 5.1 seems to take an absolute AGE to load on my Exec... I've got a 1Gb High-speed Lexar 32x card.
The time taken from me tapping on the TomTom icon in PocketPlus to TomTom actually starting takes about 65 seconds.
Is this normal on the Exec as I'm quite sure it doesn't take that long on my Himalaya!
Got the same timing, and I think this should be related to 1gb SD card. i would be glad to have a solution.
I've got a cheap 1gig card and it takes 14 secs to load from a hot key. No third party launchers involved. I don't even have the tomtom today plug in installed.
sparky: when u say you use a hotkey, I presume you mean you've assigned TomTom to a hardware button?
Depend if you have the gps on or off
If you have BT gps configured and its not turned on tomtom will turn on the BT and search for the GPS until it gives a timeout of 45sec...
if you have the gps on is fast..
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sparky: when u say you use a hotkey, I presume you mean you've assigned TomTom to a hardware button?
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Yes, I use the video call button
My opinion is Windows Mobile is great as long as you use it for data only. No voice calls
I'm using Corsair 1GB card. Start TT from today screen with my GPS BT Off. TT takes 15 seconds to sart.
IMHO may be long time due to your SD card only being 32X ?
@fcaeiro: BT is on and so is my GPS unit is on when I try to load TomTom...
@johnwx: What speed is your SD Card? I thought 32x was supposed to be relatively nippy...
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@fcaeiro: BT is on and so is my GPS unit is on when I try to load TomTom...
@johnwx: What speed is your SD Card? I thought 32x was supposed to be relatively nippy...
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My Corsair card is 40x
Some of the faster cards are 150x !!!!!!
Hi guys,
what's the big advantage of k-Jam vs Jam?
I've got the Jam and I'm thinking about changing it with the k-Jam but I don't know if there is a real and valid motivations (money/features)...
P.S: The EDGE it's the big advantage I'd like to have...
It is a preference...suggest you try the K-Jam out if possible. The K-Jam has a keyboard slide out but it adds a bit of fat to the JAM.
Operating system wise, K-JAM uses the latest Windows Mobile 5.0. Only thing is that WM5.0 is still very new and not all your WM2003 apps will run on it properly. WM5.0 is great for one handed navigation thus bridging the gap with current mobile phones like Nokia.
CPU wise, K-JAM uses the slower T1 OMAP 195MHz CPU compared to the JAM's 416MHz. But the T1 is dual-core (for dual processing) and has great battery life.
Memory wise, use of persistent storage in WM5.0 K-JAM means your files get stored in working ROM and not RAM so in a hard reset, you will not lose your precious files. Means also you get the full 64MB RAM for the system to use.
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
To find out more about K-JAM, visit the Wizard forum
The Jam is more useful as phone, but WM5 is missing
Dont get KJam, my frd had it and I also play with it for a little over a week
The slowness and lagging really really will make you cry back to the normal Jam
WM5 is great tho, but if you want WM5 go get the ETen m600
Wait for the imate JAMIN if you're an imate fan. Otherwise get the Dopod 818 Pro
With the K-JAM, one of the reasons for the lag is the bundled software...I think getting rid of the AntiVirus should alleviate some speed issues.
The problem is, even when you get the software out and fine tune everything, its still very slow
But its not entirely the KJam fault, its the fact that no software in the market takes adventage of the OMAP cpu's power of taking more task per cpu cycle.... yet
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
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I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
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From the reviews I've read, in some countries, the Wizard comes with the Wi-Fi on miniSD card and in others, the Wizard is bundled with Wi-Fi SD card.
There is no built in Wi-Fi.
I have TomTom 5 running on my MDA Vario, but find that it takes some time be fore the program is active (appears on the screen)
I used to have an Ipaq 2210 and the startup of TT5 was much quicker.
Are there any tweaks to make start up quicker (like with Navigon)???
TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet. Best you can do is wait for a patch of new release from TomTom to come to speed things up.
Also try shutting down as many unnecesarry programs, cleaning up double memory entries with check notifications or downloading tools to tweak/speed up your vario like pocketmechanic (i think it's called pocketmachenic, not sure.).
FYI, TomTom 5.21 supports WM5
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TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet.
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Stop talking utter, utter, ****e; it is fully compatible with WM5. Look for TomTom 5.21 :roll: :roll: :roll:
It may not be comparing apples with apples but I have the latest versions of TomTom 5 on my MDA Vario and my Palm T3 (Downloaded yesterday). It takes 32 seconds for the TomTom map to appear on my Vario and just 3 seconds on my Palm.
There is a problem somewhere when it takes 10X longer to open on the WM5 Machine than a Palm OS5 machine - surely?
Problem is most likely with TomTom than your PPC. It is slow starting up on my Magician. It would surprise me if TomTom had bothered to optimize the code in any way, the PPC version of the software is notorious in its lack of support and number of bugs.
you all seem to be beating about the bush. the vario has an OMAP processor which is dual core running at 200Mhz. to enable programs to take advantage of the dual core they need to be programmed with the OMAP extensions. Tomtom 5.21 is optimised for Xscale cpu's and that is the reason that tomtom have not listed that tomtom is compatible with the vario.
tomtom will run, but it will run like a dog with three legs, until a version appears that supports the OMAP extensions.
I must say at the moment i am a little dissapointed with this phone as i used my blueangel for tomtom & listening to WMA's using windows media, however the vario will not do this without windows media slowing up and eventually crashing, this is because tomtom is hogging the first core of the omap chip, and windows media is trying to use both cores for playback. i really do hope that tomtom get thier finger out soon as there will be a whole raft of devices with texas instruments OMAP chips soon, this is because of the far less power consumption due to lower clock speeds with little lost in performance.
this is the reason a lot of people are complaining that the vario is slow. it is not its just that most third party programs are not programmed with the OMAP extensions, but in benchmarking for processor performance, the wizard beat the magician that had a far higher clock rate and poor battery life because of it.
so it is a waiting game until developers realise the popularity of the wizard and program with that demographic in mind
I understand the OMAP thing, but it takes just as long on a Universal with xscale.
I read it was because TT is sparking up bluetooth, pairing up and then launching the program automatically, and this process took the time.
It works, and it's great.
Joe
I have no problems with Tomtom... Yes it's slow to launch, but after that it runs very smoothly. That includes playing MP3s at the same time and even running VisualGPSce in background.
Just wait 30 secs... :roll:
Sorry I have got to say that is bull...
I have all three devices and the tmoble compact wm5.
On my exec/m5000 if the bluetooth is off it takes 9 seconds to start up on m500(aka jam) takes 12secs.
Now lets get on to my crappy k jam 26 secs and fraction faster for my t mobile compact 2 both running the slower processor and wm5.
Yes I actually got stop watch out and timed all four saying that tomtom on my n70 pees over all my pdas at a blinding 3 secs. Treo 650 2-3 secs.
So again lets stop beating around the bush the device though great is bloody slow and for al those who claim it is in same speed as execs. You obviously are patient.
those people who are saying it takes just as long on an xscale ppc are talking pants.it is because it is an OMAP processor.
but what is worrying me is that tomtom are now listing the k-jam as bieng compatible. which may mean that tomtom have no intention of optimising it for an omap processor which would be a shame.
but I do have to stress that the kjam is not slow and crappy its just that software isn't optimised for it. when the first ipaq with an xscale processor first appeared. it was not any faster than the 200 mhz ipaq 3630 because software was not optimised for it. it looks like we will have the same kind of wait for the OMAP support
Let's not forget the mini sd card.
Speeds for mini sd are a lot slower than for sd cards.
Not everything falls down to the processor speed.
i heve tt5 on the k-jam and tt5 starts in 9 seconds.
also don't forget if you havr different things enabled in ttt5 it will alter the start speed. eg poi's like speed cams etc.
The initial load time has bugger all to do with the CPU, be it xscale, OMAP or any other flavour. What everybody's forgetting is that you're loading all that data from Flash ROM on the WM 5 devices, not dynamic RAM as on the 2210 and Magician. So there's no wonder it takes 3 times as long. It's simply the price you pay for having non-volatile memory.
wot takes long for me is the tomtom GPS reciever takes ages to find a valid signal..... but apart from that its all good....
Hm, does it take longer on the first time? I have all my maps in my storage card and nothing is happening for like 2 minutes now.
Perhaps it is because I downloaded the maps from a torrent site though.
Still no solution to this ?
I am running a KJam with a Topram brand 2 GB mini-SD memory card and TomTom Version 5.21. Maps are loaded on the memory card. I have no problems loading the smaller maps, Great Britain, US New England, and US Major Roads. However when the US South Central States that is over 80 meg, Tomtom hangs when loading. The only way I can get it to come up is to eject the memory card, then launch Tomtom. Wait for the "I agree" button to appear. Insert the memory card and wait 30 sec to 1 min. Then select the "I agree" button. Once the program is up and loaded it works great.
Is there any way to break up the Tomtom supplied maps that cover multiple states into a state by state map? Especially Texas as it takes over 12 hours to drive across the state it would be fine to change maps when I cross the state line.
Is a Texas map available that works on Version 5.21?
Speeding up TomTom
I found that this will speed up TomTom a bit:
Delete all languages other than your own, in my case I leave the dutch language and deleted all the others:
data00.chk till data14.chk and data16.chk till data28.chk
(data15 is called Eva the Dutch voice I use).
Also remove the vif files having the same numbers as the chk files you removed.
And it will clean up a 41 MB on your sd card
equinenox thats a good tip
Upx compressing of the tom tom.exe will speed up startup as well as save space see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49990&highlight= use the upx ppc link near the bottom of the page.
Overclocking will speed up startup too :wink:
Hi everyone!
Just popped over from the Xda2i board and just wanted to ask..
For KJam is it possible to get high speed mini SD cards in order to make TomTom 5 to work properly and smoothly?
I understand from the posts here that it has to be the 5.21 update to work on the hardware correctly.
Some of you probably already know that the Xda2i needs a hi speed card to allow TT work properly and I was wondering if the same was needed for the K Jam?
If not, does TT 5.21 run nice and smooth on this handset? some of you have said it takes 30 seconds for TT to 'startup' - which isn't so much of a big deal to me, I just want it to perform nicely once running!
Any feedback advice would be appreciated guys!
Cheers!
Dennis! West London UK!!
Slooooow startup, but okay when it's up
My xda mini S and Tomtom bluetooth seem to take ages to pair up. I haven't worked out whether it's best to start the GPS or TT5 first. It can take upwards of 2 minutes! It doesn't seem to like plannin a route whilst it's trying to pair either. Sometimes it can take as little as 30s, but that's the best.
Once it's up it fairly steams ahead though. And I can run a bluetooth headset and phone conversation at the same time, no probs and no probs switching back. oice dialling works a treat too.
I now have a 2Gb mini SD which as soon as I get the data transferred to it (via a new card reader), I'll let you know if/how it goes. No probs with my Moby 1Gb card.
Re: Slooooow startup, but okay when it's up
Have you got it working yet? I'm curious if it's faster now.
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I now have a 2Gb mini SD which as soon as I get the data transferred to it (via a new card reader), I'll let you know if/how it goes. No probs with my Moby 1Gb card.
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mine works fine with moby mem 1gb card
let us know on the 2 gb one
slightly slow at booting TT5 though but within limits
or do i need to upgrade to TTV6?
yes
Yes, TT5.21 works fine. I use the LVSW version and used the WMXL. In both configuration TT5.21 worked.
OK, thanks. I must have some other problem then
Don't suppose you know if TT 5.21 works better then TT6 on WM6. I have more lockups and freezes on my phone when I have TT installed (even if it's not running). It's not much, it seems every day or two it freezes but usually I don't realize (service lights keep blinkin away) and I miss calls
I'm running (or trying to run) TT6 on my WM6 LVSW ROM SPV M3100. Not had any problems with any other aps but TT6 is constantly locking up. I'm currently running TT6 V 6.03 but have also tried V6.02 which also seems to have serious ssues with WM6. I'll be keeping a close eye on the TomTom website for software upgrades!
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I'm running (or trying to run) TT6 on my WM6 LVSW ROM SPV M3100. Not had any problems with any other aps but TT6 is constantly locking up. I'm currently running TT6 V 6.03 but have also tried V6.02 which also seems to have serious ssues with WM6. I'll be keeping a close eye on the TomTom website for software upgrades!
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One thing I did find that HELPS is be sure you install the software onto your system itself and not an external card. You can store maps and voices on the the card but when you have TT6 running off the card and it crashes, I was left only with the option of resetting. Running off the system itself, half of the time I could hit the end call button on the phone and it would minimize tom tom. Then when I reclicked the tom tom link, it would start responding again or I could close it and kill it fromt he control panel and restart. I still have the occasional hard freezes none the less but this is a lot better as 75% of the time I can recover
I think it already is installed to the main memory cus the .exe is located in the main memory Programs folder. I'm regularly hitting the red answer release and ok buttons too. Just such a pain. Come n TomTom. I did a search on on their website and theres is no mention of WM6 anywhere!
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I think it already is installed to the main memory cus the .exe is located in the main memory Programs folder. I'm regularly hitting the red answer release and ok buttons too. Just such a pain. Come n TomTom. I did a search on on their website and theres is no mention of WM6 anywhere!
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Probably because WM6 isn't officially out. It's been officially announced but we are not using final software. I suspect some time after the final version is out, they will release a new version supporting it.
Running TomTom5.21
No issues at all on WM6 Black 1.2 runs even better then on WM5, the UI is much quicker in WM6. Even turning on my GPS unit has instant access, I always had issues with WM5, I had to "refresh" the GPS under bluetooth for TomTom to find it.
Running it on an imate JasJam.
i re-installed it after loading WM6 Black and now it works great. Used to startup in 60 seconds on WM5. Now approx 12 secs on WM6 - brilliant
Tom Tom 6 v6.030 on WM5 2.11 ROM without any problems here.
Startup is around 6-8 seconds (I have a crappy Bluetooth GPS so sat lock-on takes a bit longer) and lockup free. Went on a 160 mile round trip last weekend and never had a single problem.