I have TomTom 5 running on my MDA Vario, but find that it takes some time be fore the program is active (appears on the screen)
I used to have an Ipaq 2210 and the startup of TT5 was much quicker.
Are there any tweaks to make start up quicker (like with Navigon)???
TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet. Best you can do is wait for a patch of new release from TomTom to come to speed things up.
Also try shutting down as many unnecesarry programs, cleaning up double memory entries with check notifications or downloading tools to tweak/speed up your vario like pocketmechanic (i think it's called pocketmachenic, not sure.).
FYI, TomTom 5.21 supports WM5
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TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet.
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Stop talking utter, utter, ****e; it is fully compatible with WM5. Look for TomTom 5.21 :roll: :roll: :roll:
It may not be comparing apples with apples but I have the latest versions of TomTom 5 on my MDA Vario and my Palm T3 (Downloaded yesterday). It takes 32 seconds for the TomTom map to appear on my Vario and just 3 seconds on my Palm.
There is a problem somewhere when it takes 10X longer to open on the WM5 Machine than a Palm OS5 machine - surely?
Problem is most likely with TomTom than your PPC. It is slow starting up on my Magician. It would surprise me if TomTom had bothered to optimize the code in any way, the PPC version of the software is notorious in its lack of support and number of bugs.
you all seem to be beating about the bush. the vario has an OMAP processor which is dual core running at 200Mhz. to enable programs to take advantage of the dual core they need to be programmed with the OMAP extensions. Tomtom 5.21 is optimised for Xscale cpu's and that is the reason that tomtom have not listed that tomtom is compatible with the vario.
tomtom will run, but it will run like a dog with three legs, until a version appears that supports the OMAP extensions.
I must say at the moment i am a little dissapointed with this phone as i used my blueangel for tomtom & listening to WMA's using windows media, however the vario will not do this without windows media slowing up and eventually crashing, this is because tomtom is hogging the first core of the omap chip, and windows media is trying to use both cores for playback. i really do hope that tomtom get thier finger out soon as there will be a whole raft of devices with texas instruments OMAP chips soon, this is because of the far less power consumption due to lower clock speeds with little lost in performance.
this is the reason a lot of people are complaining that the vario is slow. it is not its just that most third party programs are not programmed with the OMAP extensions, but in benchmarking for processor performance, the wizard beat the magician that had a far higher clock rate and poor battery life because of it.
so it is a waiting game until developers realise the popularity of the wizard and program with that demographic in mind
I understand the OMAP thing, but it takes just as long on a Universal with xscale.
I read it was because TT is sparking up bluetooth, pairing up and then launching the program automatically, and this process took the time.
It works, and it's great.
Joe
I have no problems with Tomtom... Yes it's slow to launch, but after that it runs very smoothly. That includes playing MP3s at the same time and even running VisualGPSce in background.
Just wait 30 secs... :roll:
Sorry I have got to say that is bull...
I have all three devices and the tmoble compact wm5.
On my exec/m5000 if the bluetooth is off it takes 9 seconds to start up on m500(aka jam) takes 12secs.
Now lets get on to my crappy k jam 26 secs and fraction faster for my t mobile compact 2 both running the slower processor and wm5.
Yes I actually got stop watch out and timed all four saying that tomtom on my n70 pees over all my pdas at a blinding 3 secs. Treo 650 2-3 secs.
So again lets stop beating around the bush the device though great is bloody slow and for al those who claim it is in same speed as execs. You obviously are patient.
those people who are saying it takes just as long on an xscale ppc are talking pants.it is because it is an OMAP processor.
but what is worrying me is that tomtom are now listing the k-jam as bieng compatible. which may mean that tomtom have no intention of optimising it for an omap processor which would be a shame.
but I do have to stress that the kjam is not slow and crappy its just that software isn't optimised for it. when the first ipaq with an xscale processor first appeared. it was not any faster than the 200 mhz ipaq 3630 because software was not optimised for it. it looks like we will have the same kind of wait for the OMAP support
Let's not forget the mini sd card.
Speeds for mini sd are a lot slower than for sd cards.
Not everything falls down to the processor speed.
i heve tt5 on the k-jam and tt5 starts in 9 seconds.
also don't forget if you havr different things enabled in ttt5 it will alter the start speed. eg poi's like speed cams etc.
The initial load time has bugger all to do with the CPU, be it xscale, OMAP or any other flavour. What everybody's forgetting is that you're loading all that data from Flash ROM on the WM 5 devices, not dynamic RAM as on the 2210 and Magician. So there's no wonder it takes 3 times as long. It's simply the price you pay for having non-volatile memory.
wot takes long for me is the tomtom GPS reciever takes ages to find a valid signal..... but apart from that its all good....
Hm, does it take longer on the first time? I have all my maps in my storage card and nothing is happening for like 2 minutes now.
Perhaps it is because I downloaded the maps from a torrent site though.
Still no solution to this ?
I am running a KJam with a Topram brand 2 GB mini-SD memory card and TomTom Version 5.21. Maps are loaded on the memory card. I have no problems loading the smaller maps, Great Britain, US New England, and US Major Roads. However when the US South Central States that is over 80 meg, Tomtom hangs when loading. The only way I can get it to come up is to eject the memory card, then launch Tomtom. Wait for the "I agree" button to appear. Insert the memory card and wait 30 sec to 1 min. Then select the "I agree" button. Once the program is up and loaded it works great.
Is there any way to break up the Tomtom supplied maps that cover multiple states into a state by state map? Especially Texas as it takes over 12 hours to drive across the state it would be fine to change maps when I cross the state line.
Is a Texas map available that works on Version 5.21?
Speeding up TomTom
I found that this will speed up TomTom a bit:
Delete all languages other than your own, in my case I leave the dutch language and deleted all the others:
data00.chk till data14.chk and data16.chk till data28.chk
(data15 is called Eva the Dutch voice I use).
Also remove the vif files having the same numbers as the chk files you removed.
And it will clean up a 41 MB on your sd card
equinenox thats a good tip
Upx compressing of the tom tom.exe will speed up startup as well as save space see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49990&highlight= use the upx ppc link near the bottom of the page.
Overclocking will speed up startup too :wink:
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Hi guys,
what's the big advantage of k-Jam vs Jam?
I've got the Jam and I'm thinking about changing it with the k-Jam but I don't know if there is a real and valid motivations (money/features)...
P.S: The EDGE it's the big advantage I'd like to have...
It is a preference...suggest you try the K-Jam out if possible. The K-Jam has a keyboard slide out but it adds a bit of fat to the JAM.
Operating system wise, K-JAM uses the latest Windows Mobile 5.0. Only thing is that WM5.0 is still very new and not all your WM2003 apps will run on it properly. WM5.0 is great for one handed navigation thus bridging the gap with current mobile phones like Nokia.
CPU wise, K-JAM uses the slower T1 OMAP 195MHz CPU compared to the JAM's 416MHz. But the T1 is dual-core (for dual processing) and has great battery life.
Memory wise, use of persistent storage in WM5.0 K-JAM means your files get stored in working ROM and not RAM so in a hard reset, you will not lose your precious files. Means also you get the full 64MB RAM for the system to use.
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
To find out more about K-JAM, visit the Wizard forum
The Jam is more useful as phone, but WM5 is missing
Dont get KJam, my frd had it and I also play with it for a little over a week
The slowness and lagging really really will make you cry back to the normal Jam
WM5 is great tho, but if you want WM5 go get the ETen m600
Wait for the imate JAMIN if you're an imate fan. Otherwise get the Dopod 818 Pro
With the K-JAM, one of the reasons for the lag is the bundled software...I think getting rid of the AntiVirus should alleviate some speed issues.
The problem is, even when you get the software out and fine tune everything, its still very slow
But its not entirely the KJam fault, its the fact that no software in the market takes adventage of the OMAP cpu's power of taking more task per cpu cycle.... yet
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
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I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
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From the reviews I've read, in some countries, the Wizard comes with the Wi-Fi on miniSD card and in others, the Wizard is bundled with Wi-Fi SD card.
There is no built in Wi-Fi.
Dose TomTom needs 1-2 minutes starting up for everyone or is it just mine :?:
My S200 is over clocked to 240! the speed overall is acceptable
On my Prophet the TomTom soft with German map takes only 15secs to load, with no other programs loaded before. And my machine is not overclocked.
Depend cold start 45 seconds. Warm start in 15 seconds.
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Dose TomTom needs 1-2 minutes starting up for everyone or is it just mine :?:
My S200 is over clocked to 240! the speed overall is acceptable
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Fully agree.
for some unexplained reason, TT5 takes a LOOOOOT of time to load.
IMHO it may be related to other programs running, even if you are plenty of memory.
A large contact list delays the mahine a lot, and I've got TT5 to stuck in a certain position up to ONE MINUTE without updating (screen coloured, not a GPS antenna problem)
I just quit using my S200, recover my JAM, and I'm selling my one month old S200.
The Prophet has too many compromises to be ready for prime time. WM5 may be the problem, but I guess the OMAP processor has it share of responsability too. What a pity!
See some other coments on this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54148
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Depend cold start 45 seconds. Warm start in 15 seconds.
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BTW it's about 5 times as much as a JAM//S100 needs.
And we call that "the S100 next generation"?
:?:
JAM = RAM & WM2003
JAMin = ROM & WM5.0
RAM more fast than ROM. Is IMPOSSIBLE that ROM memories goes more quickly than RAM.
The next generation is Slow, but you can turn off completly without lose data & program.
You Choose!
Strange, my Jamin takes a few seconds less (approx 30) than my Jam (approx 35 - 40) to load TT5. However it is installed on an SD card on both machines and there may be some differences between these cards...
Once running there is no noticable difference, except that the Jam is just a little quicker at plotting routes. However I am very happy with the Jamin and TT5
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JAM = RAM & WM2003
JAMin = ROM & WM5.0
RAM more fast than ROM. Is IMPOSSIBLE that ROM memories goes more quickly than RAM.
The next generation is Slow, but you can turn off completly without lose data & program.
You Choose!
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I dissagree.
Standard ROM may be faster, "Permanent non volatil RAM" is NOT (This is what you have on the Prophet).
Don't be fooled by the acronisms. Read the specs.
I sync with 2 PC, plus regular Outlook backups, etc. In all this years I`ve never lost data just based on dead bateries. However the S200 forced a hard reset on my first day with it! This is a REAL data lost.
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It's not that I don't like the S200 specs, I bought it based on that!, is it very POOR performance what turned my down about it.
Anybody that undertand a little of phisical RAM & ROM know that RAM is faster that ROM.
You are contradiction all teory or I unkonw ROM faster that RAM. It's posible that you rom faster than ram cost 3000€
i prefer I-Go
you can find info @ http://www.i-go.com/
starts pretty fast and the installation is fast and the maps are high from quality and small from size.....
smaller than those from TomTom
I like IGO, but introduce pois from tomtom (velocity radar limits) and another do it slow initialize. And no voice advise from radar pois...
Igo really good and not yet well impemented, i a few weeks change this circunstance, sure!
1:15 after reboot of Prophet
Few seconds less at second start of TomTom after closure of first session.
50 seconds on 252 Mhz after full reboot of Prophet.
Tried on a Wizzard this week. That was noticably faster (did not time it).
Could be because of having a slow SD card. I have a 2 GIG Sandisk MINI in a adapter.
Robin
mine takes 20 secs to completely startup tomtom. I run it at factory speed so without overclocking. I also use a 2gig sandisk mini sd. I use the orange rom. So no speed isues here.
grt,
Ruben
20 seconds here.
Running Tom Tom @ 240mhz but otherwise the JAMin runs at normal speed.
Regards
To all those having a slow loading time, did you install Tom Tom on the SD card or the main memory?
What about those that are not complaining?
@acer175
With 15secs startup after reboot, I have both the TT program and lots of maps to choose from on a Transcend 4GB card. The factory-clocked Prophet handles TT well, period.
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@acer175
With 15secs startup after reboot, I have both the TT program and lots of maps to choose from on a Transcend 4GB card. The factory-clocked Prophet handles TT well, period.
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So how do we get such different results?
Still, my point is how with the same TT5 program and the same (Phisically the same) SD card, can a JAM be way faster than an S200?
:?:
Plain factory configuration, just a few installed NON-RESIDENT programs, ??
Maybe English (WWE) or German ROMs are better developped?
:x
If you loaded TomTom on an SD card, try copying all of your files to a pc. Format the SD card, then copy all the files back. Sort of a defrag method for the SD card.
I was having trouble with TomTom taking too long to load until I did this. Now TT loads in about a quarter of the time as it took before.
Hope it helps.
My experience:
Tomtom 5.21 in ROM + map of Germany(~230MB) on an old Kingston 256MB SD-card
Startup time: ~45secs
Route calculation is at an acceptable speed.
OEM XDA neo (german) ROM, versions see below.
Oh and default clockrate of course.
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My experience:
Tomtom 5.21 in ROM + map of Germany(~230MB) on an old Kingston 256MB SD-card
Startup time: ~45secs
Route calculation is at an acceptable speed.
OEM XDA neo (german) ROM, versions see below.
Oh and default clockrate of course.
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Just tested: JAM, 1 Gb Sandisk card, 250 Gb Spain map. Time to load... 8 seconds.
And we call the S200 the Evolution?
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Hello all.
I have a Cingular branded 8125.
At this time, I have Molski's 3.0.0.0 AKU 3.2 Rom loaded
I have also tried to clock the cpu to 240mhz
It seems the phone does NOT handle multi tasking very well.
The gps works well if you do not ask the phone to do much such as make or take a call. At times even without calls on over the phone while the gps is running. It just starts to crawl very slow, screen re-draws become very slow.
I have tried several GPS applications that run just fine on normal pda's such as the Dell Axim x30-x51v line, these all have 624mhz cpu's.
I have even used these gps applications on the Dell Axim x5 300mhz pda with a Socket Bluetooth cf card without this problem.
My main goal for this phone was to have both, mobile phone with mobile gps
Does anyone have a suggestion on my next move?
I use Bluetooth gps receivers and the software I have now is:
iGuidance 2.1
Dell NavteQ GPS
Belkin GPS "similar as the Dell"
PocketMap Navigator R3 3.12 USA
MS Streets & Trips 2006
Well, try to overclock it.. it really helpd me!
I have also tried to clock the cpu to 240mhz
What speed works for you?
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Well, try to overclock it.. it really helpd me!
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Try a Molski AKU 2.x rom and watch the difference. iGuidance doesn't like AKU 3.x. It's not the GPS unit because the spoken directions kept up with the positioning, it was the graphics that wouldn't move at all or, if they did, once every few minutes. You can use AKU 3.x or you can have working GPS software, your choice. Also, note that iGuidance is now up to 3.0.1.
GPS Software Working With NO Problems!!
I've been using the OnCourse 5 system with a BT-339 SiRF-lll receiver. I usually overclock my 8125 to either 228 or 240 while using the receiver and mapping software. I'm also using Molski's 2.26 30MB ROM.
One other thing I do before firing it up is that I disable all my other Today plugins and reboot -- loading ONLY the navigational software. This seems to free up the resources needed to not only run the GPS, but to also handle phone calls, as well.
However -- YMMV -- depending on how much available memory your phone has otherwise.
Thanks for the input.
Looks like I shall change roms to Molski's 2.26 and give it another try
All,
I understand that the Herald does not support TomTom Nav 6. In your expert opinion, will the application ever run on the Herald, given the lower processor clock speed on this device?
How about other navigation software?
I'm seriously considering buying a Herald, but some time in the next 12 months, would really like GPS with Navigation software as well.
Many thanks to all who reply.
James.
I have been running TomTom 6 on my Herald since I bought it, no problems at all.
I also run TomTom6 with no problem on my herald.
TomTom 6 starts when turning on phone
Hallo,
Installed TomTom 6 on my Herald. Works fine but....
Everytime i turn on the phone TomTom starts by itself. Any suggestions how to correct this?
thanx in advance
Not regarding TomTom but "Other Navigator Apps":
My experience with Navigon MN6 (6.15) was reaaally bad. It was so slow that you could not use it.
Screen refresh rate was about 1 fps, although voice commands were almost in time. I had a few other apps installed, but not many (phoneAlarm, SPB Mobile Shell, Pocket Informant 7).
Can anyone confirm if MN6 is generally so slow on the P4350? My ROM version is 5.4.407.1 GER, which I think is one of the latest (apart from WM6).
iGo Myway 2006 works fine, no problems at all.
MN6 is a heavy application. Other apps as spb mobile shell en pocket informant are to. Used them and uninstalled them. The herald is a 200mhz thingie ;-) TomTom Nav 6 is ok. Overclocked to 247mhz and everything works fine. Apart from the "I start myself actions from TomTom" ;-)
Yes, MN6 is quite heavy as all the previous versions of Navigon have been.
But I can't see how PI7 or Mobile Shell can make it slower, when they are not running. As long as they are not running they should not consume any CPU time, right? And memory was not the issue with MN6, I checked available mem before starting MN6 and it was well over 25 MB free (data+program store), which should be sufficient - at least it was on my MDA Pro.
But for me that was the only disappointing experience with the Herald so far.
I just compared MN5 and TomTom6 with my P4350.
I liked the highly detailed Maps of MN5 better than TomToms BUT TomTom has the better features:
MN5 does not turn on bluetooth for GPS automaticaly.
Very annonyingly, MN5 does not disable hibernate and sleepmodes of WindowsMobile automaticaly. The usage of the PDA-Pen ist mandatory to mess with MN5. Menues and UI-Layout is a whole lot better in TomTom. TomTom reacts faster to userinput and needs less resources.
The only negative thing about TomTom are the voice commands of the german version. They are confusing most of the time. Sometimes you need to retranslate and interpret them. The voicecommands of MN5 are vastly clearer and more accurate.
In my view, iGO Myway 2006 plus is currently the best compromise between Navigon and Tomtom.
High performance, very good usability, even more features than Tomtom, quality of the voice commands is almost on the standard of MN.
Also highly recommendable is Medion GoPal 2.x AE/PE. Not quite as nice graphics, but with the text-to-speech engine voice commands are even more precise than Navigon without TTS.
I have run TT6 on my Herald without any issues at all, the device is overclocked to 240MHz but other than that no mods are required.
Cheers
LB
I have tomtom but i having issues with answer calls which i am unable to do so.
after running some tests on this it seems that when receiving a call and using tomtom u can't answer it because the application for some reason doesn't give control to the phone app. You have press the start menu key and then u can answer the call or hang up. nothing to do with the ram its more so that tomtom needs to update there application for WM6
Why do we have two threads for exactly the same problem?????
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310156
Please let us keep this forum as clean as possible.
Thanks
Hello,
I'm running a stock 8525 (ROM v1.34.502.1) with several hacks (works great). I just purchased a Qstarz BT-Q818 and it worked out of the box with Google Maps and even Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006. Neither of these products are fully-capable GPS navigational products.
I've seen questions and comments about TomTom 6, upgrades from 5, work with WM6, etc, - but I'm curious if anyone can share their experiences installing and using TomTom 6 on Windows Mobile 5. I plan to use US maps, but I don't know if the selected country's maps makes a difference to the reliability, ease-of-use, or installation experience. I don't plan to migrate to WM6 for a bit (until I have a real good reason).
Thanks in advance for your opinions!
Well, I can't help you with Tom Tom on WM05 with this phone.
I had my phone for all of 1 phone call, text message and MMS before I went to WM-6.
That said, I've got Tom Tom 6 with the latest (US and Canada) maps on it, and it works great. Mind you, it isn't as fast (overall) as the dedicated Tom Tom units are, but it gets the job done. In fact on the new LVSW it is pretty close to being at the same speed as a GO300. I'm using it with a Visiontac VGPS-700 bluetooth antenna.
Also, I've got a Motorola MPx and used Tom Tom extensively on that. It is running windows mobile 2003 (IIRC). Obviously its way slower than the 8525, but it worked just fine and got me where I needed to go.
The hardest part of the install on either unit is to get Tom Tom to "see" the bluetooth GPS. And, actually on the MPx it is way easier than on the 8525 with WM06.
I know, I know... you wanted experiance with WM05... but thought that this would help at least a bit.
Thank you, this is helpful. If it turns out I'm the last person on the planet still running WM5, then I'll have to upgrade. Basically, my ROM was ok out of the box and I applied my hacks and apps without any trouble, so I haven't considered an upgrade given the stability vs risk + stability considerations.
I run TT6 on WM5 and I love it. I have had zero stability issues and it works great with my HOLUX 236 BT GPS. I also can receive/send email, calls, internet all while it is running in the background with little to no issues. Once and a while, when I am updating traffic (BOSTON,NYC AREA) performance can be a little slow if I'm multitasking. Other than that, it's flawless for me!
Ditto on the good reports - have run tomtom6 for many 10-15 hour drives, never had any issues. The phone integration features of TT6 are handy - being able to call a POI (eg, pizza shop) from TT6 is sometimes useful. Switches seamlessly between calls and the nav screen without dramas. Handles loss of GPS signal or a slightly incorrect map fine.
Er, you may very well be the last person with WM5 , I've got WM6 as well
@ Guy... lol, except for the guy before you who is running it on WM05.
Oh, I forgot to mention, On my Mpx, I could take two calls with Tom Tom running in the background before the phone would lock up and I'd have to soft reset.
With the 8525, I've had a couple of days where I was on the phone, and forgot Tom Tom was running and it ran from the time I went to work until I left... a 10-12 hour day making calls sending sms and mms, some internet searches etc...never locked the phone up.
I ran TT6 on the stock Vodafone UK WM5 ROM and it was ok but every now and then it would lock up and I would have to end the app and start it up again.
I upgraded to WM6 for one reason SPEED, I don't know about your WM5 ROM but mine was slow. I got so fed up of waiting for 2 seconds after I pressed the red button for a call to end. It did my t*ts in.
Anyway, running TT6 on WM6 has been a superior experience so far as it has not locked up once (on Black 2.0/2.5). Only small gripe is that when a call comes in while using TT the HERMES does not return to the TT screen until the call is finished (you can manually switch back to TT).
One thing to watch out for is the Black 2.5 ROM which updates your HERMES device code and therefore requires TT re-activating. Because of this I have reverted to Black 2.0 (which I find better on battery consumption incidently).
HTH.
TT6 on Std UK T-Mob WM5 ROM
I found that TT6 runs OK but I had to turn off the plotting (on screen) of all the POIs to get it to run smoothly. Some people seem to have reported issues with the rate of data access from their MicroSD cards so it's worth getting a good card (NB - lots of issues reported with Sandisk cards). I run TT6, my phone and CamerAware (which warns about cameras better than TT6). I have had the odd lock-up but in the main all works very well and I am able to count on TT6 with my Vario II. BTW - I use the Holux GPSlim240 which is very nice.
I have even got Windows Live Search running at the same time with a GPS plotted position and mapping/Sat view running from a 3G connection - all very impressive to mates if of little in-car use whilst driving!
Regards
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Er, you may very well be the last person with WM5 , I've got WM6 as well
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I just installed wm6 and i try and run the start app that installs tomtom and it doesnt do anything im using xplore 1.1!