Hello,
I'm running a stock 8525 (ROM v1.34.502.1) with several hacks (works great). I just purchased a Qstarz BT-Q818 and it worked out of the box with Google Maps and even Microsoft Streets and Trips 2006. Neither of these products are fully-capable GPS navigational products.
I've seen questions and comments about TomTom 6, upgrades from 5, work with WM6, etc, - but I'm curious if anyone can share their experiences installing and using TomTom 6 on Windows Mobile 5. I plan to use US maps, but I don't know if the selected country's maps makes a difference to the reliability, ease-of-use, or installation experience. I don't plan to migrate to WM6 for a bit (until I have a real good reason).
Thanks in advance for your opinions!
Well, I can't help you with Tom Tom on WM05 with this phone.
I had my phone for all of 1 phone call, text message and MMS before I went to WM-6.
That said, I've got Tom Tom 6 with the latest (US and Canada) maps on it, and it works great. Mind you, it isn't as fast (overall) as the dedicated Tom Tom units are, but it gets the job done. In fact on the new LVSW it is pretty close to being at the same speed as a GO300. I'm using it with a Visiontac VGPS-700 bluetooth antenna.
Also, I've got a Motorola MPx and used Tom Tom extensively on that. It is running windows mobile 2003 (IIRC). Obviously its way slower than the 8525, but it worked just fine and got me where I needed to go.
The hardest part of the install on either unit is to get Tom Tom to "see" the bluetooth GPS. And, actually on the MPx it is way easier than on the 8525 with WM06.
I know, I know... you wanted experiance with WM05... but thought that this would help at least a bit.
Thank you, this is helpful. If it turns out I'm the last person on the planet still running WM5, then I'll have to upgrade. Basically, my ROM was ok out of the box and I applied my hacks and apps without any trouble, so I haven't considered an upgrade given the stability vs risk + stability considerations.
I run TT6 on WM5 and I love it. I have had zero stability issues and it works great with my HOLUX 236 BT GPS. I also can receive/send email, calls, internet all while it is running in the background with little to no issues. Once and a while, when I am updating traffic (BOSTON,NYC AREA) performance can be a little slow if I'm multitasking. Other than that, it's flawless for me!
Ditto on the good reports - have run tomtom6 for many 10-15 hour drives, never had any issues. The phone integration features of TT6 are handy - being able to call a POI (eg, pizza shop) from TT6 is sometimes useful. Switches seamlessly between calls and the nav screen without dramas. Handles loss of GPS signal or a slightly incorrect map fine.
Er, you may very well be the last person with WM5 , I've got WM6 as well
@ Guy... lol, except for the guy before you who is running it on WM05.
Oh, I forgot to mention, On my Mpx, I could take two calls with Tom Tom running in the background before the phone would lock up and I'd have to soft reset.
With the 8525, I've had a couple of days where I was on the phone, and forgot Tom Tom was running and it ran from the time I went to work until I left... a 10-12 hour day making calls sending sms and mms, some internet searches etc...never locked the phone up.
I ran TT6 on the stock Vodafone UK WM5 ROM and it was ok but every now and then it would lock up and I would have to end the app and start it up again.
I upgraded to WM6 for one reason SPEED, I don't know about your WM5 ROM but mine was slow. I got so fed up of waiting for 2 seconds after I pressed the red button for a call to end. It did my t*ts in.
Anyway, running TT6 on WM6 has been a superior experience so far as it has not locked up once (on Black 2.0/2.5). Only small gripe is that when a call comes in while using TT the HERMES does not return to the TT screen until the call is finished (you can manually switch back to TT).
One thing to watch out for is the Black 2.5 ROM which updates your HERMES device code and therefore requires TT re-activating. Because of this I have reverted to Black 2.0 (which I find better on battery consumption incidently).
HTH.
TT6 on Std UK T-Mob WM5 ROM
I found that TT6 runs OK but I had to turn off the plotting (on screen) of all the POIs to get it to run smoothly. Some people seem to have reported issues with the rate of data access from their MicroSD cards so it's worth getting a good card (NB - lots of issues reported with Sandisk cards). I run TT6, my phone and CamerAware (which warns about cameras better than TT6). I have had the odd lock-up but in the main all works very well and I am able to count on TT6 with my Vario II. BTW - I use the Holux GPSlim240 which is very nice.
I have even got Windows Live Search running at the same time with a GPS plotted position and mapping/Sat view running from a 3G connection - all very impressive to mates if of little in-car use whilst driving!
Regards
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Er, you may very well be the last person with WM5 , I've got WM6 as well
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I just installed wm6 and i try and run the start app that installs tomtom and it doesnt do anything im using xplore 1.1!
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Does someone know if navigon 4 works great on the magician ?
Can we receive some feedback from users that have tried it ?
Thanks.
I have used it and it works fine although personally I prefer TomTom
yaaah
I have the same problem with Navigon 4.2 when I connect it to a bluetooth GPS,
I'm tryed with so many options but not yet, nothing at all, IT DOSN'T WORK WITH THE BLOODY BLUETOOTH GPS, unless I find I a way out to change the bluetooth setting there,
I hope anybody can advise...
regards
Navigon works fine with my BT GPS. No problem at all.
TO jacoh.
Did you mean it is working with the imate jam (magician)?
if yes,
did you pair the bluetooth gps with com5 (as outbound)?
then normal setting of navigon,
then work fine (it is not finding the bt gps at all) where other small navigation software finds it and work with but not the navigon,
ANY SPECIAL STEP YOU DID TO LET IT WORK OR WHAT?
please advise!
thanx in advance
maybe you should call the Navigon software vendor and ask why it does not work.
unless you did not bought the software of course, but you certainly are not a f**king hacker are you?
Yes. It is working with iMate Jam (well it's a Qtek S100 with french OS). Com5 in Navigon settings. GPS is an emtac. No problem. Most of the time, problems come from BT pairing. Does your GPS receiver comes with a test application (emtac provides one for example)?
to mms72 :
i've read that the 4.2 doesn't work. Only the 4.01 does.
to jacoch :
Is it slooow or not ?
for example, when you don't follow the route, how long does it take to recalculate a new one (big delay or not) ?
thanks.
I've heard poeple in France saying it's quite slow to recalculate and almost unusable in cities. I have no problem on my side. It takes 1-2s to recalculate. But it seems to depend on the map density. I live in switzerland in a small city and the maps are probably simpler than the map of Paris or London.
Hi all,
I spend a lot of time to get MN4.2 working reliable. It depends on the protocol that your GPS is working with. As default for my RBT1000 was
GGA=1, GSA=1, GSV=5 RMC=1,GLL=0 and VTG=0. With this configuration the bluetooth connection will lost from time to time.
Now i have changed the protocol to GGA=1 and VTG=1. This combination works perfect for me. In some case (depends on your hardware) you need
GSA=1 also,
\\Yoshi
thank you yoshi:
simple and small question:
How to change those protocls :roll: in my imate jam..
Hi,
It depends on your mouse how to change the protocolls.
In my case the mouse came with a special software to change the protokoll. You can also some special tools for that for example:
winfast navigator.
\\Yoshi
thank you for the advice Yoshi
thank you Yoshi,
it (MN4.2) finaly worked with Holux GR-230 Bluetooth GPS after I changed some protocls (((( BuT )))) not stable , it works like 2 sec's on and 4 sec's off in finding the GPS Signal and I'm still trying to play with protocls to find the best combinations...
:evil: :evil: :evil: still fighting with it... :evil: :evil: :evil:
regards,
MN4.2 working great on my MDA compact with Fortuna Bluetooth GPS.
Mapfile > 330 MB! on 1 GB SD-Card.
Waiting for my 2GB Card to put the whole European map file on it.
Excellent product!
Just purchased MN4.2 with Navigon's GPS receiver. Their own receiver is great because it has TMC reception for traffic updates.
The software runs really well, routes are very fast calculated, no problems at all.
I think this software is really nice, all completely usable without stylus using the d-pad, it might look less appealing than TomTom, but it is way more sophisticated, and the maps are much better quality.
On their website they offer a very attractive upgrade price from any competitive product.
Only issue I noticed so far is that when I miss a turn it is sometimes very fast in giving me another route, and sometimes it is slower, don't know why, but always acceptable.
The only problem is with voice guidance, as it sometimes speaks too late. Particularly when there are turnings one after the other (very close, say 20m), then the voice guidance is a bit slow. It is ok if I am driving slowly, otherwise it speaks too late.
Having a glimpse at the map display clarifies any doubt, so no big issue.
The software is also extremely stable, you can open and close hundreds times without any problem. In my case, everything is installed on SD Card.
For the bluetooth, I first paired using the OS bluetooth config screen, and then I opened MN4, and gave COM5 as the bluetooth port. If it doesn't work, you should restart the program after switching off and on the receiver.
By the way, I live in London.
When I will have more experience with the product, I'll post further impressions.
I'm looking for navigation like tomtom or something, for my m600.
Tomtom 6 works on my m600.
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I'm looking for navigation like tomtom or something, for my m600.
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I've got Version 6 working, a bit of a pain to get a version of it that works without the problems mentioned elsewhere in the site. Also have to watch for the GPS set up via bluetooth, its not totally intuative on the M600. Other than that, it works well and does not crash like V5.21 does on my Axim
Then get TomTom. I have v5.21 and it works fine.
hello,
to using tom tom 6 we need yo have a GPS connected by Bluetooth ?
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hello,
to using tom tom 6 we need yo have a GPS connected by Bluetooth ?
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Yes. There's no way to connect a wired GPS.
M600 and Route66
I recently did quite lot of research and found what I needed. A fairly basic GPS route finder system, that does, contrarary to the manufacturers website, 7 figure postcode searches, with updatable POI speed camera database (as long as you're prepared to fiddle with the CSV files with the camera info in).
I bought Route66 Navigator 7 for PPC (UK/Ireland) from Expansys. The manufacturers guff doesnt actually state that it works with WM5 but it does. I bought this because it did what I want and it was pretty cheap. The speed camera database also doesnt seem to be mentioned, but loaded onto the PPC with the rest of the software. I had no installation problems, the hardest part was waiting for the software to load the maps onto my SD card. I would recommend quite a fast card speed and make sure theres plenty of space as UK maps take up about 250ish Mb.
I got a Sirfstar III blue tooth GPS receiver from here
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/...MF-homepage&utm_source=prod2&utm_medium=10939
I paid £60 a couple of months ago and nows its £45 ! Gutted. This also works a treat. Paired up no problem. An article i read helped with this which is linked here; http://www.bbits.co.uk/blog/archive/...2/28/7210.aspx
I used it to travel to central London with my family and managed to get there pretty much stress free. Signals were clear and with plenty of notice, lots of POI available, like pubs, hotels, etc. I found a web site that will let you download POI, the link is here somewhere;
http://www.tomtomsatnav.info/index.html
Although it does say TomTom in the header there lots of other stuff here as well. Another good site for Route66 queries is here;
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=86
Hope this helps. im not on commision I promise you. Thought I would give something back maybe of use, after frequenting this forum on numerous occasions.
or do i need to upgrade to TTV6?
yes
Yes, TT5.21 works fine. I use the LVSW version and used the WMXL. In both configuration TT5.21 worked.
OK, thanks. I must have some other problem then
Don't suppose you know if TT 5.21 works better then TT6 on WM6. I have more lockups and freezes on my phone when I have TT installed (even if it's not running). It's not much, it seems every day or two it freezes but usually I don't realize (service lights keep blinkin away) and I miss calls
I'm running (or trying to run) TT6 on my WM6 LVSW ROM SPV M3100. Not had any problems with any other aps but TT6 is constantly locking up. I'm currently running TT6 V 6.03 but have also tried V6.02 which also seems to have serious ssues with WM6. I'll be keeping a close eye on the TomTom website for software upgrades!
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I'm running (or trying to run) TT6 on my WM6 LVSW ROM SPV M3100. Not had any problems with any other aps but TT6 is constantly locking up. I'm currently running TT6 V 6.03 but have also tried V6.02 which also seems to have serious ssues with WM6. I'll be keeping a close eye on the TomTom website for software upgrades!
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One thing I did find that HELPS is be sure you install the software onto your system itself and not an external card. You can store maps and voices on the the card but when you have TT6 running off the card and it crashes, I was left only with the option of resetting. Running off the system itself, half of the time I could hit the end call button on the phone and it would minimize tom tom. Then when I reclicked the tom tom link, it would start responding again or I could close it and kill it fromt he control panel and restart. I still have the occasional hard freezes none the less but this is a lot better as 75% of the time I can recover
I think it already is installed to the main memory cus the .exe is located in the main memory Programs folder. I'm regularly hitting the red answer release and ok buttons too. Just such a pain. Come n TomTom. I did a search on on their website and theres is no mention of WM6 anywhere!
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I think it already is installed to the main memory cus the .exe is located in the main memory Programs folder. I'm regularly hitting the red answer release and ok buttons too. Just such a pain. Come n TomTom. I did a search on on their website and theres is no mention of WM6 anywhere!
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Probably because WM6 isn't officially out. It's been officially announced but we are not using final software. I suspect some time after the final version is out, they will release a new version supporting it.
Running TomTom5.21
No issues at all on WM6 Black 1.2 runs even better then on WM5, the UI is much quicker in WM6. Even turning on my GPS unit has instant access, I always had issues with WM5, I had to "refresh" the GPS under bluetooth for TomTom to find it.
Running it on an imate JasJam.
i re-installed it after loading WM6 Black and now it works great. Used to startup in 60 seconds on WM5. Now approx 12 secs on WM6 - brilliant
Tom Tom 6 v6.030 on WM5 2.11 ROM without any problems here.
Startup is around 6-8 seconds (I have a crappy Bluetooth GPS so sat lock-on takes a bit longer) and lockup free. Went on a 160 mile round trip last weekend and never had a single problem.
All,
I understand that the Herald does not support TomTom Nav 6. In your expert opinion, will the application ever run on the Herald, given the lower processor clock speed on this device?
How about other navigation software?
I'm seriously considering buying a Herald, but some time in the next 12 months, would really like GPS with Navigation software as well.
Many thanks to all who reply.
James.
I have been running TomTom 6 on my Herald since I bought it, no problems at all.
I also run TomTom6 with no problem on my herald.
TomTom 6 starts when turning on phone
Hallo,
Installed TomTom 6 on my Herald. Works fine but....
Everytime i turn on the phone TomTom starts by itself. Any suggestions how to correct this?
thanx in advance
Not regarding TomTom but "Other Navigator Apps":
My experience with Navigon MN6 (6.15) was reaaally bad. It was so slow that you could not use it.
Screen refresh rate was about 1 fps, although voice commands were almost in time. I had a few other apps installed, but not many (phoneAlarm, SPB Mobile Shell, Pocket Informant 7).
Can anyone confirm if MN6 is generally so slow on the P4350? My ROM version is 5.4.407.1 GER, which I think is one of the latest (apart from WM6).
iGo Myway 2006 works fine, no problems at all.
MN6 is a heavy application. Other apps as spb mobile shell en pocket informant are to. Used them and uninstalled them. The herald is a 200mhz thingie ;-) TomTom Nav 6 is ok. Overclocked to 247mhz and everything works fine. Apart from the "I start myself actions from TomTom" ;-)
Yes, MN6 is quite heavy as all the previous versions of Navigon have been.
But I can't see how PI7 or Mobile Shell can make it slower, when they are not running. As long as they are not running they should not consume any CPU time, right? And memory was not the issue with MN6, I checked available mem before starting MN6 and it was well over 25 MB free (data+program store), which should be sufficient - at least it was on my MDA Pro.
But for me that was the only disappointing experience with the Herald so far.
I just compared MN5 and TomTom6 with my P4350.
I liked the highly detailed Maps of MN5 better than TomToms BUT TomTom has the better features:
MN5 does not turn on bluetooth for GPS automaticaly.
Very annonyingly, MN5 does not disable hibernate and sleepmodes of WindowsMobile automaticaly. The usage of the PDA-Pen ist mandatory to mess with MN5. Menues and UI-Layout is a whole lot better in TomTom. TomTom reacts faster to userinput and needs less resources.
The only negative thing about TomTom are the voice commands of the german version. They are confusing most of the time. Sometimes you need to retranslate and interpret them. The voicecommands of MN5 are vastly clearer and more accurate.
In my view, iGO Myway 2006 plus is currently the best compromise between Navigon and Tomtom.
High performance, very good usability, even more features than Tomtom, quality of the voice commands is almost on the standard of MN.
Also highly recommendable is Medion GoPal 2.x AE/PE. Not quite as nice graphics, but with the text-to-speech engine voice commands are even more precise than Navigon without TTS.
I have run TT6 on my Herald without any issues at all, the device is overclocked to 240MHz but other than that no mods are required.
Cheers
LB
I have tomtom but i having issues with answer calls which i am unable to do so.
after running some tests on this it seems that when receiving a call and using tomtom u can't answer it because the application for some reason doesn't give control to the phone app. You have press the start menu key and then u can answer the call or hang up. nothing to do with the ram its more so that tomtom needs to update there application for WM6
Why do we have two threads for exactly the same problem?????
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310156
Please let us keep this forum as clean as possible.
Thanks
Anyone has tried using a bluetooth GPS thingie with the Herald and any apps like Destinator or TomTom?
If yes what was your opinion?
My main questions are on:
What app you used and with which GPS hardware?
Battery consumption
CPU/Mem usage and how well the app run
^_^ tnx a million.
Im interested in this as well. Does anyone use any GPS software for their Wing?
I use TomTom 6 and Route66 with a Holux GPSlim236...
The battery consumption depends on the time I use it... Long usage time means more battery drain.
The CPU/Mem usage I'm not sure, but the apps run ok without visible delay between the real position and the position indicated by the program.
EDIT: Forgot to tell onde thing... In TomTom6, the more POI's you select the bigger is the delay between the real position and the one indicated by the program.
I'm using iGO My Way 2006 with this GPS mouse and I'm very satisfied with it.
Have used the software so far in Germany in Netherlands and it didnt fail me at all.
Speed is great on my XDA terra (and before on my XDA neo) which is important,
because some navigation software are running slow on those 200MHz devices.
It's important because on shorter roads and lots of corners the display scrolls
way to slow while you are actually already in the corner.
The voice commands are usually exact and in time just not the display.
Right now I'm testing Navigon MobileNavigator. The map looks nicer, but it is slower than iGO. Can't tell much about TomTom, Route66 and Destinator.
Haven't got my hands on them yet.
I'm using a Holux M1000 GPS Bluetooth Receiver with Destinator 6 and Destinator 7.
Destinator 7 freezes sometimes, but I think it's related to the "Stand by" configuration. With Destinator 6 it works fine.
Regards,
Rodolpho
Well, I'm not yet on WM6, but TOMTOM6 works great with my herald, with a lot of POI, without any delays, and i use a MTK chipset's bluetooth GPS receiver.
I am told that WM6 is faster than WM5 for softwares such as tomtom, so...
Wing/WM6/TomTom6 here. After the pagepool hack (6MB), and after removing most of the stuff from the startup folder (my5aves in particular), TomTom works just fine, not a problem.
Battery life is satisfactory, much better than Axim x30 for sure. You might have to shut down huuuuuge programs like PocketIE manually, before starting TomTom.
Ask some specific questions, please. I'm too lazy to write a complete review this time
I have a WM6 Wing with a Holux 1000 BT GPS. I can't seem to get Tomtom 6 to work on it. The program just can't find the receiver. iGuidance 4 works fine even though it is a bit sluggish. Can anyone help me? I think I've tried two different types of BT GPS receivers and still no luck.
I am running TT6 on WM6 Herald.
TT6 is not that smooth as on my previous Qtek 9000...although I am overclocking to 247 and running on 8MB PP. Maybe its caused by my 4GB MicroSD card I dont know!
Also I have a few "bugs" on my TT, voice instructions sometimes do not match the visual commands and the daylight/night colors function is reversed.
Have reinstalled TT on a fresh WM6 installation with the same results...
Will see now if there is a difference between version 6.01 and 6.03...
And yes I have paid for my TT6 !
HTC4350 here with Holux GPSlim 236
Working with MapFactor Navigator 6, GPS Utilities and Oziexplorer just fine
Also tried GPS Tuner but it won't start because it needs more free memory, though i haven't yet tried the pagepool change.
Other than that, works perfect
cfds said:
I am running TT6 on WM6 Herald.
TT6 is not that smooth as on my previous Qtek 9000...although I am overclocking to 247 and running on 8MB PP.
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Try 6MB PP. No glitches at all, as long as I exit Internet Explorer first. And of course removing everything but btdwake, CapNotify, poutlook and WiFiInit from Windows/Startup. I think I'll remove poutlook, too and see if that stops ActiveSync from starting all by itself all the time.
Also I have a few "bugs" on my TT, voice instructions sometimes do not match the visual commands and the daylight/night colors function is reversed.
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None of that here, using 6.030 (8320).
I am using TT6 with WM6 without any problems! And it runs fast!
My BT GPS receiver is a cheap Sirf3.
moullas said:
HTC4350 here with Holux GPSlim 236
Working with MapFactor Navigator 6, GPS Utilities and Oziexplorer just fine
Also tried GPS Tuner but it won't start because it needs more free memory, though i haven't yet tried the pagepool change.
Other than that, works perfect
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Using TT6 (6.0.3.0 8320) with a TomTom BT GPS and it works great, never had to configure the GPS, TT always find it. But I can't get OziExplorer working with the TT GPS.
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Hello all,
I own a tmobile wing..
and am also planning to use gps on it..and plan to buy the holus m1000 as well since many of you already use it.. but when looking up prices on tomtom6.. it's usually around 150.00-250.00
can you guys please tell me of a site where you found it relatively cheap.. ?