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Qtek S100 or S110?

HI,
This is my first post as I have not yet purchased this device and needed some advice before buying. In fact I am contemplating between the Qtek s100 and the s110. I know that essentially the only difference is the upgraded memory from 64mb to 128mb and the colour. I was also told despite the fact that the 2 devices are identical (apart memory) the 128mb version runs a bit faster because of the added memory. Is this true?
I already have a 1Gb sd card and plan on using it for storage and installing programs. Will the extra memory come in handy once I start installing programs? I currently own a palm E2 and the programs in the Palm OS are pretty miniscule, in the pocket pc is it the same or will I need several mb per application? I did test out the s110 and it seemed to function pretty fast (compared to my E2) , I inserted my sd card and was able to view pics and video impressively quick with the installed beta player.
Another issue is the price. Here in Paris I am able to sign a 1 year contract with SFR and buy the s100 at a discount phone shop for 120Euros!! and the s110 for 180-200Euros. Is it worth the extra 60-80euros for the added memory? Perhaps it would be better to buy the s100 and with the extra cash invest it in a sdwifi card? Or wait altogether for a newer device such as the qtek 9100.
Also I read in another post that it may be possible to upgrade the m500 (orange) to windows mobile 5 in the future and if that being the case would the 128mb of ram be more usefull?
And is it quite easy to flash the unit to change the language from french to english if i decide in the future?
Other than that, what does everyone think of the magician? They just released the qtek 9100, with the sliding keypad but i dont see it being that great an avantage as it adds weight and maked the unit a bit thicker, taking away the advantage of it being a real portable unit. Included wifi obviously would be the biggest advantage, and of course mobile 5 (perhaps).
I know I've asked many questions here and appreciate any advice. I'm sure no matter what decision I make I wont really go wrong but just trying to invest in a tool that will at least meet my needs and stay current for at least a year before its outdated!!!! Thanks for any help and advice in advance!

The S110 is the better choice for sure. I use one myself and yes, the 128MB of Ram make live really easy - I installed everything (all programs I use and thats a lot) into Ram still have 40+MB free for program running. I would install into RAM for sure on a S110, on a S100 you may want to do it on a SD-Card but I would not do that if it can be avoided and it can with an S110 (wow that rhymes). Trust me, you WILL thank god for not thinking about every MB twice - the S110 with its 128MB can handle everyhting. Never ever would I choose a version with less RAM when one with more is avail.
The other device you're talking about is the K-Jam (iMate calles it this way). I would stay away, the keyboard is useless (at least to normal users) and it only has a 200MHz CPU!
Flashing the Magician (like S100 or S110) is pretty easy, the other one (9100) is based on another hardware platform (TI CPU instead of Intel one) the it will take a while for modded Roms to arrive.
Wifi can be added to the S110 using a SDcard, you dont wifi all the time don't you. I would never choose the 200MHz device with wifi over the 416MHz without given the fact that wifi is an easy addon, more CPU power is not.
WM5 will not likely come for S110 but who needs it? I dont get all the fuss about WM5. I used it on a HTC universal for a few hours and its not that special. The new storage (that uses stone-age-speed ROM) will make it slower in fact.

Thanks for your advice.
I figured it can never hurt to have more memory. I just wasnt sure if the ppc used as that much in terms of applications compared to the Palm os which is negligible.
May programs are less than a megabyte. I have more than half a dozen loaded on my palm E2 and still have space left on the paltry 32mb ram! Well wouldn't be the case with the magician.
I suppose the 128mb model (S110) also uses free space for caching, so if there is only 64mb vs 128 it would make a difference in performance. And the price difference of less than 100euros I guess is reasonable as its factory done.

Mogwai said:
I just wasnt sure if the ppc used as that much in terms of applications compared to the Palm os which is negligible.
May programs are less than a megabyte. I have more than half a dozen loaded on my palm E2 and still have space left on the paltry 32mb ram! Well wouldn't be the case with the magician.
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Don't forget that the OS on the Magician is from Micro$oft who are notorious for memory-hungry OSs and applications on ANY platform. :?
The more memory the better. :wink:

One thing to consider is battery life. How does the 110 compare with the 100? Keeping that extra RAM alive requires power, and that has to come from the battery.
Any 110 users care to comment?
With normal useage I get about 2.5 days on my XDA Mini...

Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K

This thread might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=14560

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!

Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Thx Paul
so the bottom line is that its a bit of a lottery but the fact that SanDisk are pulling out of this market must mean its unlikely to get any better for the users, is that right?
K

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
risidoro said:
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!
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all this makes sense. what I like about the S100/110 is its size - looks like I'll be waiting for the Prophet just like you.

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
Kean said:
all this makes sense. what I like about the S100/110 is its size - looks like I'll be waiting for the Prophet just like you.
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Let's hope it won't take too much then!
Bye bye,
Isidoro

Guys,
Here is a roadmap of HTC products for 2006.
http://www.mobigeeks.fr/stories.php?story=05/11/14/4058495
Unfortunately its in french but actually easy to follow.

I'm using the S110 now and had an MDAc before that and I must say that there is nearly no difference with keeping the 128MB RAM of the S110 alive opposed to the 64MB versions. I monitored that closely the last week and I must say the the difference is minimal, like getting 2-5% longer life with the 64MB version but the comfort of having more RAM than you'll prolly ever use makes more than up for that.
The thing with "waiting for the prohet": When the prophet is ready to launch there will be a new one in the pipeline that would be worth waiting for. There will always be a new/better one at the horizon and if you go that "I'll wait for that device" way you'll never buy one of them because you'll always look at the next model that appears better but is a few month away. That said I'm more than happy with my S110 (just bought the SpecTec Wifi and use it with the Socket driver and WiFi companion) and I'm loving it, I couldn't wish for more. Sure I miss the biometric feature of my old iPAQ 5455 but hey the S110 is great. Until the bring a S110 with fingerprint scanner I'm not interested. I dont need intergreated WiFi (the SpecTec makes up for that very well) and I dont need more CPU power (PHM can push the 416MHz up a noth if needed) and a keyboard (like KJam, I'm so used to Resco Keyboard Pro) and for sure I dont need WM5 (buggy slow OS in my view).
That said the S110 is perfect!!!

Re: Qtek S110 + WiFi SD cards
risidoro said:
Kean said:
Hello Everybody, need some advice...
Am new to mobile/PDAs and am thinking of buying the S110 but want to wifi enable it as well as store MP3s/AACs too ...
Sandisk do a WiFi SD card with 256mb built in - has anybody used one of these or know whether its compatible. Web research suggests it is but it would be nice to know it works [and its failures] from someone already using this type of connectivity.
Thanks
K
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AFAIK WiFi/256MB sdio cards work in magician (search this forum for more about it), anyway pls consider the following:
- Sandisk is NO MORE producing WiFi/256MB cards (however they can be still found in some e-stores or ebay)
- 256MB is too small for carrying MP3
- This card is more than 1cm longer than ordinary SD cards so it will jut out from the top of your magician: it'll ruin device's esthetics and, possibly, led to card breaking
- Next month many new wm 5.0 devices will be released, they'll offer integrated WiFi, more powerful camera, EDGE, radio FM, 128MB of storage and, of course, windows mobile 5.0. If i were u i'd wait for them to come.
- If u can't wait a month, then have a look at new Qtek 9100 a.k.a. I-Mate K-jam a.k.a. SPV M3000 a.k.a. HTC Wizard: it comes with integrated WiFi, WM 5.0 and qwerty keyboard.
- If u still want a Magician, then i think u should consider buying a S100 (instead of s110) thus saving about 100$. I have it and, as long as u move all installed programs to SD card or storage, i can assure u RAM is enough for any application (IMHO, of course)
Bye bye,
an Isidoro that's waiting eagerly for Prophet (or Athena) to be released!!!
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risidoro,
Which new devices are you talking about?
mogwai

how to speed up TomTom startup ????

I have TomTom 5 running on my MDA Vario, but find that it takes some time be fore the program is active (appears on the screen)
I used to have an Ipaq 2210 and the startup of TT5 was much quicker.
Are there any tweaks to make start up quicker (like with Navigon)???

TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet. Best you can do is wait for a patch of new release from TomTom to come to speed things up.
Also try shutting down as many unnecesarry programs, cleaning up double memory entries with check notifications or downloading tools to tweak/speed up your vario like pocketmechanic (i think it's called pocketmachenic, not sure.).

FYI, TomTom 5.21 supports WM5

Mesh said:
TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet.
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Stop talking utter, utter, ****e; it is fully compatible with WM5. Look for TomTom 5.21 :roll: :roll: :roll:

It may not be comparing apples with apples but I have the latest versions of TomTom 5 on my MDA Vario and my Palm T3 (Downloaded yesterday). It takes 32 seconds for the TomTom map to appear on my Vario and just 3 seconds on my Palm.
There is a problem somewhere when it takes 10X longer to open on the WM5 Machine than a Palm OS5 machine - surely?

Problem is most likely with TomTom than your PPC. It is slow starting up on my Magician. It would surprise me if TomTom had bothered to optimize the code in any way, the PPC version of the software is notorious in its lack of support and number of bugs.

you all seem to be beating about the bush. the vario has an OMAP processor which is dual core running at 200Mhz. to enable programs to take advantage of the dual core they need to be programmed with the OMAP extensions. Tomtom 5.21 is optimised for Xscale cpu's and that is the reason that tomtom have not listed that tomtom is compatible with the vario.
tomtom will run, but it will run like a dog with three legs, until a version appears that supports the OMAP extensions.
I must say at the moment i am a little dissapointed with this phone as i used my blueangel for tomtom & listening to WMA's using windows media, however the vario will not do this without windows media slowing up and eventually crashing, this is because tomtom is hogging the first core of the omap chip, and windows media is trying to use both cores for playback. i really do hope that tomtom get thier finger out soon as there will be a whole raft of devices with texas instruments OMAP chips soon, this is because of the far less power consumption due to lower clock speeds with little lost in performance.
this is the reason a lot of people are complaining that the vario is slow. it is not its just that most third party programs are not programmed with the OMAP extensions, but in benchmarking for processor performance, the wizard beat the magician that had a far higher clock rate and poor battery life because of it.
so it is a waiting game until developers realise the popularity of the wizard and program with that demographic in mind

I understand the OMAP thing, but it takes just as long on a Universal with xscale.
I read it was because TT is sparking up bluetooth, pairing up and then launching the program automatically, and this process took the time.
It works, and it's great.
Joe

I have no problems with Tomtom... Yes it's slow to launch, but after that it runs very smoothly. That includes playing MP3s at the same time and even running VisualGPSce in background.
Just wait 30 secs... :roll:

Sorry I have got to say that is bull...
I have all three devices and the tmoble compact wm5.
On my exec/m5000 if the bluetooth is off it takes 9 seconds to start up on m500(aka jam) takes 12secs.
Now lets get on to my crappy k jam 26 secs and fraction faster for my t mobile compact 2 both running the slower processor and wm5.
Yes I actually got stop watch out and timed all four saying that tomtom on my n70 pees over all my pdas at a blinding 3 secs. Treo 650 2-3 secs.
So again lets stop beating around the bush the device though great is bloody slow and for al those who claim it is in same speed as execs. You obviously are patient.

those people who are saying it takes just as long on an xscale ppc are talking pants.it is because it is an OMAP processor.
but what is worrying me is that tomtom are now listing the k-jam as bieng compatible. which may mean that tomtom have no intention of optimising it for an omap processor which would be a shame.
but I do have to stress that the kjam is not slow and crappy its just that software isn't optimised for it. when the first ipaq with an xscale processor first appeared. it was not any faster than the 200 mhz ipaq 3630 because software was not optimised for it. it looks like we will have the same kind of wait for the OMAP support

Let's not forget the mini sd card.
Speeds for mini sd are a lot slower than for sd cards.
Not everything falls down to the processor speed.

i heve tt5 on the k-jam and tt5 starts in 9 seconds.
also don't forget if you havr different things enabled in ttt5 it will alter the start speed. eg poi's like speed cams etc.

The initial load time has bugger all to do with the CPU, be it xscale, OMAP or any other flavour. What everybody's forgetting is that you're loading all that data from Flash ROM on the WM 5 devices, not dynamic RAM as on the 2210 and Magician. So there's no wonder it takes 3 times as long. It's simply the price you pay for having non-volatile memory.

wot takes long for me is the tomtom GPS reciever takes ages to find a valid signal..... but apart from that its all good....

Hm, does it take longer on the first time? I have all my maps in my storage card and nothing is happening for like 2 minutes now.
Perhaps it is because I downloaded the maps from a torrent site though.

Still no solution to this ?

I am running a KJam with a Topram brand 2 GB mini-SD memory card and TomTom Version 5.21. Maps are loaded on the memory card. I have no problems loading the smaller maps, Great Britain, US New England, and US Major Roads. However when the US South Central States that is over 80 meg, Tomtom hangs when loading. The only way I can get it to come up is to eject the memory card, then launch Tomtom. Wait for the "I agree" button to appear. Insert the memory card and wait 30 sec to 1 min. Then select the "I agree" button. Once the program is up and loaded it works great.
Is there any way to break up the Tomtom supplied maps that cover multiple states into a state by state map? Especially Texas as it takes over 12 hours to drive across the state it would be fine to change maps when I cross the state line.
Is a Texas map available that works on Version 5.21?

Speeding up TomTom
I found that this will speed up TomTom a bit:
Delete all languages other than your own, in my case I leave the dutch language and deleted all the others:
data00.chk till data14.chk and data16.chk till data28.chk
(data15 is called Eva the Dutch voice I use).
Also remove the vif files having the same numbers as the chk files you removed.
And it will clean up a 41 MB on your sd card

equinenox thats a good tip
Upx compressing of the tom tom.exe will speed up startup as well as save space see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49990&highlight= use the upx ppc link near the bottom of the page.
Overclocking will speed up startup too :wink:

Dear JAMin users(Do you Recommend?)

I'm gonna buy a JAMin but I want to ask you as current uers if it's a good decision or not...I had PDA2K then XDA ii Mini..now I wanna buy JAMin but in some reivews the author is compaining about the Speed and CPU...
Do you Agree in Comparison with the Previous PPCs you had Propably?
Do you Recomend me to buy?...I have only about 24 hours left tomorrow i'm going to buy..
Regards :wink:

Well, I had the Jam before buying the Jamin. I use WiFi a lot, so for me the Jamin is perfect. There are some things that the Jam did faster and there are some things that the Jamin does faster....really. I have a little icon at the bottom of my screen that I have assigned to link to the Overclock application, which boosts it to around 240 to 260 mhz. I only use it for heavy apps. When my Jamin is overlclocked, it is just as fast if not faster than my Jam was performing most tasks.
Other things that are better about the Jamin, screen brightness and angle, camera is WAY WAY better, WiFi-obviously better than SD wifi card, email push for people with unlimited data contracts, WM5 which is better for a phone because of data safety reasons, extra buttons, better battery life, Skype and SJphone for VOIP works great-this never worked on my Jam using an SD wifi card.
Some things that are the same and better off that way, stylus, SD card, same battery, same small device footprint.

is it still worth to buy Win2003 Magician ?

hello guyz,
This is my first post here. I have a couple of questions from experienced PPC users . Please respond as early as possible. Thanks in Advance.
1) I am getting a very good deal for Magician(i-mate JAM). But i am confused wether to buy it or not. Is it still a good idea to buy a WM2003 PPC device OR should i wait for WM5 PPC devices to become cheaper. ( i might have to wait around1 year which is a loooong time... )
2) Are people still writing softwares for PPC WM2003 devices? or the majority has moved to writing softwares for WM5 ?
3) Right now which windows have more softwares available. WM2003 or WM5?
4) If i purchase softwares written for WM2003, will these softwares run on PPC WM5 device?
5) Finally i need some nice websites for free or paid softwares for PPC. ( you can PM me if you are not allowed to post websites links here)

The magician is a great device and, if you don't need integrated Wifi, still the best compact PPC you can get.
WM2003 in general has some advantages over WM5: It is usually faster and has less bugs. WM5 only offers better one hand use and no data loss when battery is down. The latter can be compensated for WM2003 with using good backup software (sprite backup) and the internal backup battery of the magician. I never had data loss because of this.
Get the magician for a good price. You won't regret. Really advanced devices are still to come. Maybe the Hermes will beat the Magician but it will definitely be more expensive at that time.
Regarding the software question: I haven't seen any software which only works on WM5 and not WM2003 but I have seen many softwares not supporting WM5 yet but WM2003. Most softwares are even still backwards compatible to WM2002. You can compare this to the desktop world. Most programs can still be run under Windows 98.

I recommend to get the imate Jam with 128Mb RAM if possible
Get the imate JAM if you do not have a wi-fi network at home

I fully agree Dandie's comment. I tried my friend's O2 Atom for a week (he need me to install softwares for him) and I still prefer my Magician as my working/entertaining machine.
Pro: Cheaper, more responsive and faster (media will have jitter sometime on the Atom if running GPS together), more softwares are available to 2003SE than WM5
Con: No wifi (not a problem to me since I can BT over Activesyn at home), Bad Camera.
Unless there is a very good deal. I never see the need to upgrade to 128mb if U know how to manage the RAM use. (I always run TomTom 5/IGuidance 2/TCPMP together without any problem.)

Unfortunately WM5 is the way of the future, but it's unlikely you'll encounter software that won't work on WM5 and WM2003 (since both can use .net, the "new" developers environment).
I still use my Magician as my main phone, although I'm upgrading in a few weeks and it'll have to be a WM5 phone, probably a Mio 702. WM5 adds some usability features, but not enough to turn my head IMHO.
If you're getting a good deal on a Magician, I'd certainly consider it. I'll be holding on to mine for a good while yet.
Oh, and I recommend using VJLumos II. It really brightens up the Magician screen, gives it a new lease of life.
V

I agree with V the magician still is a wonderful device & when you don't want to wait for the devices that sports hsdpa you can have loads of fun with it.
Like stated earlier TCPMP for video, Mortplayer for audio. Lots of games & other goodies. AEButton Plus for one-handed in combi wit ... VJKeyPress.
Make sure you got a good deal & enjoy it.
M

WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
Personally, I'd go for a Wizard (or even a Hermes <3 ). It's only a bit bigger, but has WM5, WiFi /and/ a keyboard. Now, if only Orange carried it in the UK... >.<

I've got a Wizard. It's the 3rd one in 5 months and it locks up nearly every day but a soft reset sorts it out and it fails to recognise the memory card 2-4 times a day (a known wizard issue) If you dont need the wi-fi stick with the Jam NEVER had a problem with mine. As for the wizards keyboard..I use the on screen one it's quicker.
For stereo headphones with mic try the SE P900/910 headphones they work brilliantly!

bobgorila said:
WM2003 also means no bluetooth A2DP, at least not from anything other than WMP, and even then with some odd bitrate and sample rate restrictions.
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Maybe just the O2 Atom and my stereo headset, the quality of BT A2DP is just a joke for me.
bobgorila said:
Also, I don't know about you guys, but getting stereo sound out of the magician at the same time as using an external mic is a goddam pain. Every handsfree kit I try with a mic will only play sound in the left ear.
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It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT

Mine can be bought here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725172095
I upgraded to the Prophet. 8)
This is the second listing on eBay. The first one got hit by a nigerian scammer. :roll: Now I've had to specify UK only and PayPal only.

thank you for your comments guyz
i have bought the magician device. So far i am pretty happy with it.

Join the club, did you got a nice offer?
M

i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )

Seems like a fair price to me. Did you search the other threads for goodies & tips?
M

Both magician and mini are great device.
Wifi? sandick sdio wifi card with 256m storage is available in a reasonable price now. BT & MINI CABLE could bring with most functions you need.
In my point of view, never try detailed camera in PDA.
So, congradulation you with a desirable product.

navid_ahmed said:
i think i did get a good offer
i got imate jam (scratchless screen) + alumunium case + 128Mb kingston SD card for 19000Rs ( 316$ )
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where did u get it so cheap......i bought it for 24000rs with no accessory

jackleung said:
It's just U. I use my Sony headphone (with shorter cable) with this 2.5 to 3.5mm adapter w/ external mic. And it just work GREAT!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...PageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
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Mine arrived this morning, it works, it works!!!
Thankyou.

choice between 3300 and 3600

hi guys. need some help!! time to upgrade frm mda vario. looking at 3600 aka orange m700 and 3300 aka tmobile compact 3/ o2 orbit. if we leave out the 3g function of the 3600 which would you choose. if the advice is 3300 would it be tmobile without wifi or o2 orbit, although tmobile web and walk tariffs are good. please heeelp. thanks in advance.

rags_999 said:
hi guys. need some help!! time to upgrade frm mda vario. looking at 3600 aka orange m700 and 3300 aka tmobile compact 3/ o2 orbit. if we leave out the 3g function of the 3600 which would you choose. if the advice is 3300 would it be tmobile without wifi or o2 orbit, although tmobile web and walk tariffs are good. please heeelp. thanks in advance.
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There are only 2 reasons that I can think of to choose the P3300 over the P3600...The P3300 has a wheel thingy and a roller ball in the middle, that would be personal choice, but I like the Dpad better. The P3300 has a slower processor so the battery lasts a bit longer, however if you limit the connection on the P3600 to Edge then it saves battery life. Otherwise, they are almost the same size. Why anyone would buy a P3300 now that the P3600 has GPS is a mystery to me.

Or hold off until June for the P4550

dew.man said:
Or hold off until June for the P4550
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True. I just checked the specs again on the P4550.
Some things I liked:
USB 2.0 (finally not nec. to take out the card for file transfer)
Autofocus Camera
Slide out keyboard with a case the size of a Trinity
Increased ROM to 256mg (supposedly)
WM6
Things I didn't like:
Micro SD (this is a big negative unless 4gb microSD cards become available)

Matterhorn said:
There are only 2 reasons that I can think of to choose the P3300 over the P3600...The P3300 has a wheel thingy and a roller ball in the middle, that would be personal choice, but I like the Dpad better. The P3300 has a slower processor so the battery lasts a bit longer, however if you limit the connection on the P3600 to Edge then it saves battery life. Otherwise, they are almost the same size. Why anyone would buy a P3300 now that the P3600 has GPS is a mystery to me.
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I've heard bad things about the GPS in the P3600, it seems to have a very bad sensivity compared to the P3300's top notch Sirf III.
Another point in favor of the P3300 would be its free upgrade to WM6.

thebrave said:
I've heard bad things about the GPS in the P3600, it seems to have a very bad sensivity compared to the P3300's top notch Sirf III.
Another point in favor of the P3300 would be its free upgrade to WM6.
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Well, my experience is that in real world use, you don't see much of a difference. I have a SirfStarIII GPS too so I can compare, the Trinity is slower to lock on a cold boot, but once the Trinity is locked in it just works. I believe WM6 will come to the Trinity one way or another eventually.

I bought a P3300, but as soon as I discover that the P3600 has also GPS I exchanged the P3300 for a P3600.
P3600 vs. P3300:
P3600 has 3G + irda + 400Mhz
P3300 has radio + StarSirf III
I have tested both of them and I can say that although many people here says that there is no difference in the GPS, I can assure you that there IS a difference, mainly in cold start time and dilution of position, with my P3300 once you get the position fixed it stays centered around the real point with little dilution, with the P3600 I get change in position of between 5 and 30 meters without moving the HTC. If you are looking for a really good GPS the P3300 is the way to go, the P3600 is not good enough for difficult geocaching.
But.... I have also to say that although many people would tell you that 200Mhz in the P3300 is enough, I was quite unhappy with 200Mhz, many apps, starting by the GUI of WM5 would run slower and you can clearly notice it if you check both of them. Besides 400Mhz 3G (for the future) and IrDA (for the past) are good things. The P3300 has an integrated radio, but my iRiver HP-120 has it too (I won't use my P3600 as a mp3/radio player) so I can live without it.
Conclusion... I exchange a P3300 for a P3600 and I'm really happy, I think that the P3600 is the almost-definitive pocket pc, if they would have put a StarSirfIII in it I think I would keep it forever, anyway I don't look forward for a N95 or an iPhone ... P3600 fulfills all my needs. My recomendation ... if you need very high precission GPS go for the P3300 in other case, the P3600 is the MACHINE!
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The accuracy of GPS on my P3600 is indecipherable from that of my old TomTom 500. The only difference is the cold start time to get first fix.
I have heard many things about the slow processor in the P3300 not being able to cope with many popular applications. It is I think half the mhz of a P3600 cpu.

The 3300 CPU is slower but its not directly proportionate to clock speed, its battery life will also be better. I have had no problems running any applications on my 3300 and if I overclock it to 250MHz then I would say it out performs my previous BlueAngel at speed over 300MHz.
The thing I really like about the 3300 is the jog dial / trackball - best control device I have used on a pocket device.
3300 has got a major issue regarding MicroSD card corruption though which may be WM5 related.
What memory card type does the 3600 have?

P3600 has miniSD

Matterhorn said:
Things I didn't like:
Micro SD (this is a big negative unless 4gb microSD cards become available)
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Hopefully it will be fully SDHC compatible, which is expected since it is a much newer device and hopefully HTC will have addressed the problem. If so, 4GB MicroSD cards will become available soon, SanDisk and Kingston have already announced them.

p3600 over orbit
i did have an orbit for a month could not live with slow prossesser and no 3g band
i now have spv m700 upgraded rom to dopod d810 and if you can do without radio its much better than orbit its faster and it has hsdpa system lets put this way its like a ford and bmw so which one you go for?

Happy P3600 User
Now that I got the official GPS-enabled ROM from HTC I am very happy with the Trinity/P3600. I agree with the earlier comments that if your main focus is GPS, then the built-in receiver in the 3600 may not be the ideal choice. That said, there's nothing to stop you using a BT receiver. I find the built-in works just fine and actually got rid of my BT receiver.
What really impresses me is the 3G connectivity, which finally makes internet access on a mobile really worthwhile. On a 3G network (which seems to be spreading daily), I can download e-mails, surf the web and make phone calls, all at the same time. It's so fast and reliable, I can even stream internet radio while driving to work!
I was thinking of getting a 4350 for the slide-out keyboard, but I'm not giving up 3G for anything. I will definitely look at the 4550.