Hi all,
I bought a MDA PRO on the t-mobile tariff webnwalk that give 40MB of web browsing per month. The adverts and customer services specifically say web browsing or internet browsing.
I saw in a post the other day, someone saying that that is only for GPRS and NOT UMTS (3G).. Now is this true? The prebuilt mda pro doesn't give you the option to choose one over the other and there are no tariff plan details that say how much 3G data would cost..
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Hi,
i am a german t-mobile customer and here it doesn´t matter if you are connected using gprs or 3g.
Would make absolutly no sense, because the device automatically switches to the fastet network available and it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
The only important factor for the bill is the volume.
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superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
Yes, I am on web n walk in the UK and it's both.
40mb / month gives you just over a meg a day.
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data, and just in case the bandwidth usage was related to 3G, I went into the phone settings and where you have an 'auto' set for networks, choose GSM and it sticks to only GPRS. I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo.
For general purpose use, GPRS is fine and obviates the issue where the software/OS pratts about switching between networks. Web browsing is fine with images switched off and all is good again.
I am currently using about 3-400k/day which means I will need to have a blow-out web session at the end of the month to use my entitlement (which is better than having to pay excess data charges cos I sucked too much data over the month).
End result is the same - I am connected to MSN through agile and keep in touch with friends during the day, and I get hotmail integration to the messaging apps.
All slightly OT to this thread, but I thought I would share my experience in case it helps.
Joe
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...I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo...
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Great line, made me laugh :lol: Looks like I should give Agile a go then. Didn't realise it was lighter than MSN.
And back on topic, I'm not on Web 'n' Walk yet (really should get round to switching...) but I spoke to a lovely lady at T-Mobile for ages trying to figure out which tarrif would suit me best, and at some point in the conversation she definitely told me that 3G data is charged at exactly the same rate as GPRS data, and the 40 meg allowance covers both.
Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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Had my stag do in Barcelona earlier this year and I was connected to Movistar for the weekend. GPRS rates were (from memory) about £7.50 per Mb which is what T-Mobile's standard GPRS rates were at the time (not sure what they are now?) I was already over my allowance for the month, so I dont know if my allowance would have been used up instead of having to pay the higer price (doubt it though!)
cr2 said:
You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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Ok, it´s possible. But why the hell should i change ?
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No Ones talking about changing.
The point is I wanted to make sure that using UMTS and GPRS doesn't change the billing.
Also, whe you go to another country you have to Roam and I also wanted to know how much that would cost me using gprs? (oh In Spain..) 8)
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Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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I used T-Mob roaming in Australia via other cell companies and it cost me 7.50/meg I think.
And, weirdest of all, even tho I had T-Mob GPRS setup for the UK, I didn't change settings, it just worked over there (or appeared to). That was on a SE P910i tho.
That's damn expensive. How can they justify it? It's not like voice calls where you're paying for the foreign country to the uk and then from the uk to where-ever..You're just using the local network to hop onto their gprs network and the web... :evil:
It's about thime this planet got to grips with modern technology..Seem that the public think further ahead than the companies...
£7.50 Per Meg seems like the general consensus then.
Coincidentally (or maybe not?) that's how much T-Mobile charge even in the UK for either PAYG customers, or contract customers with no bolt-ons. (unless they've updated the costs recently)
As for the settings working abroad, GPRS connects via an access point such as "general.t-mobile.com" which is the same the world over. Much like a web address. Each network operator just monitors the traffic to your device, and bills accordingly. Obviously if your abroad, the local network operator bills your home operator and they mark it up 10000000% and bill you in turn.
(At least that's how I understand it)
Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise
is there only way to get the number of MB currently downloaded with a *#XX# shortcuts ?
same for the number of minutes.. it's a bit pain in the bottom to have to call 150 (especially when you get the help yourself options)
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Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise
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As I said before, the person I spoke to said otherwise. Conflicting information from the 150 crew then...I'll have to check through my new bill carefully once I've switched to Web 'n' Walk 200, but 3G data has never been charged differently to GPRS on my current tarrif (Relax 200 + 55Mb Data add-on).
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superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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I also have web'n'walk ('flat rate' only for GPRS) so i dont want to use UMTS.
What do you have to change in the registry to use GPRS when UMTS is available??
There is no need to force the MDA Pro to use GPRS on T-Mobile. With the web 'n' walk tarrifs the 40mb is for use on BOTH UTMS (3G) or GPRS.
I can confirm this as I myself am on web 'n' walk 200.
I only ever use 3G on Web'n'Walk 200 (cause I live and work in London), and I haven't been charged for my first 40 Megs yet so no-one on this tarrif should worry!
If you are concerned, sign up on the T-Mobile website for "My T-Mobile". I've finally gotten around to doing this myself, and now I can track my spending easily (even from my JasJar, if I so desire) and change my account options etc, without having to go through the Service Centre every time.
And for those people who have to pay for calls to 150 because they're on a webshop account, you needn't ring 150 ever again (probably!)
Maybe i have a different web'n'walk. I'm from holland and here we have 'pocket internet total' 9,50/month and no time or mb limit. One problem, the t-mobile site says its only for GPRS!
But there is a chance that UMTS is also inclusif, and t-mobile just forgot to mansion that, because i have no charges for umts sofar(MyTmobile)...
joebongo said:
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data
Joe
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This has not been my experience when I used Messenger on my old imate JAM - must test this, cheers. Is Agile Messenger better in other ways too?
I've tried a search but didn't come up with anything. Nor can I evaluate this myself because GPRS monitor won't install on my ROM version.
Anyway...
Does anyone know how much it costs to leave MSN messenger running on GPRS? Obivously there will be a cost relating to the message traffic, but apart from that? Are there regular updates to the contacts list, keep-alives, whatever? Or do packets only get sent when you explicitly ask for the contacts list to be updated.
On my O2 contract I get just 1MB free. Used to sound like a lot, but these days...
regards,
/alan
I have no firm info for you I'm afraid, but there was an article some time ago on one of the forums that stated the keep alive traffic from messenger was very small indeed, but with only 1MB of data I wouldn't personally keep it open any longer than I had to.
yea it is very small, but 1mb is certainly not enough to keep it on all the time esp if u r gonna do it the whole month lol..
Many thanks,
regards,
/alan
1MB sounds like a luxury to me, I'm with the Carphone Warehouse and get 100K a month and they charge £2.35 ($4.00) for a MB
im on vodafone and for £5 i get 500 mb..
unlucky peeps!
does t mobile charge u for gprs i get 40mb free and just joined up with them u say abt o2 being free but not the mda pro on t mobile plz help thanx mono33
My impression is that you can surf and retrieve web pages using GPRS free of charge untill you go over your allotted allocation. This seems to be the case when I surf and then check for any charges on 'My T-Mobile' on their web site.
Could be wrong but that seems to be how it works for me.
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Hi
It seems to depend on what tariff you are on
I was on the relax plan and was being charged £1 per KB
I just swapped over to the flex 25 plan and the cost is now 75p per kb although I have got a data bundle which is 5mb for £2
Also the allowance is only for voice calls and texts it doesnt include wap/gprs
hope this helps
Tim
Hi, does anybody have this plan? I cannot get a straight answer from T-mobile. It says that you have unlimited surfing (well 'unlimited' to 10GB anyway) and voip eg skype. I cannot find out if the Skype is restricted to Skype users only (as '3' do) or if it is completely unrestricted I want to make calls to international numbers on Skype using my Skype account. Can anybody give me a straight answer?
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Hi, does anybody have this plan? I cannot get a straight answer from T-mobile. It says that you have unlimited surfing (well 'unlimited' to 10GB anyway) and voip eg skype. I cannot find out if the Skype is restricted to Skype users only (as '3' do) or if it is completely unrestricted I want to make calls to international numbers on Skype using my Skype account. Can anybody give me a straight answer?
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the web`n`walk max is unrestriced from what i understood and not based on Skype account
yes, cyberjak, but do you have this account and have you dialled an international number?
You're using a data connection through Skype's client software irrespective of the number your dialing.
The data doesn't cost any extra.
You don't get charged extra for sending e-mails or MSNing to someone in another country. Why would Skype be any different?
Hi Slave1, my question is not about the charges, it is: does T-mobile block dialing through Skype the same as '3' does. Do you have the max plan?
My priceplan is slightly better that WnW Max. But I don't know anyone who lives in another country and only use Skype to Skype calls (I'm a cheap skate and get very cheap calls on my mobile).
If you have WnW Max you also have Free Hotspot access. Send OPEN via SMS to 9526 to retrieve your HotSpot username and password. If this doesn't work call 150.
'My priceplan is slightly better that WnW Max' but cheaper ?
I know there are ways to get through the Skype block but I mainly want the plan for cheap international calls and I dont have a landline in my apartment. If I pay for the max plan I want to make sure it will do what I want. I have no problem finding people telling me what the plan should do (mostly they are on commision)
I have the Web N Walk Plus (Max) with my Vario III, this is what I have come across so far...
Skpe, doesn't work for me although as I understand it this maybe a software issue with the Vario III and not T-Mobile?
International, I was asked to pay a £250 deposit to have International call roaming activated - I told them to stick it
HPDPA, Wonderful and I also use it with my laptop for browsing have no idea about max download as I don't download that much.
@ gazzacbr
Order it off the website. Do it by 5ish today and you should have it tomorrow. Try Skype if it doesn't work how you want it to, send it back (you have 7 days to request this - called a DSR return, but ONLY from the website or telephone sales).
There you go, advice and no commision
ok thanks for (free) advise, Slave1. Maybe I will just try it and see.
StellaDell, I have a HTC Kaiser which is the same as the Vario III and have no problems running Skype on the web'n'walk daily plan. The version I have is SkypeForPocketPC 2.2.037 off their site. Install it from a PC connected by ActiveSync.
I have had my t-mobile PAYG for many years and roaming was activated for free a long time ago. I assume the £250 is to stop you running off with the phone if its a new contract.
I'm thinking of buying the Dell Streak with the data only contract, am i still able to make voice calls and be charged per minute, and would i be able to receive calls?
Do you mean on o2?
No idea, there's no voice pricing on their tariff blurb.maybe you should ask them?
Hi 70th
No you won't be able to make or receive calls as the number allocated doesn't connect if you ring it but you are able to send and receive texts. I know because that is the deal i took on my Streak on the plus side you do get 3GB of Data per month allowance which is much more than any of the voice and data tariffs give you.
I chose this because i really use very few minutes per month and had 8 months left on an Orange contract that i have now cancelled the Data on and use just for voice. Once this expires i am moving to PAYG for my voice minutes which will save me a lot of money from being wasted on minutes i don't need or use.
Marc
Dogmann said:
Hi 70th
No you won't be able to make or receive calls as the number allocated doesn't connect if you ring it but you are able to send and receive texts. I know because that is the deal i took on my Streak on the plus side you do get 3GB of Data per month allowance which is much more than any of the voice and data tariffs give you.
I chose this because i really use very few minutes per month and had 8 months left on an Orange contract that i have now cancelled the Data on and use just for voice. Once this expires i am moving to PAYG for my voice minutes which will save me a lot of money from being wasted on minutes i don't need or use.
Marc
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Great thanks for the reply. And i may do exactly as you are doing.