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t-mobile's Web'n'Walk tariff with the MDA PRO

Hi all,
I bought a MDA PRO on the t-mobile tariff webnwalk that give 40MB of web browsing per month. The adverts and customer services specifically say web browsing or internet browsing.
I saw in a post the other day, someone saying that that is only for GPRS and NOT UMTS (3G).. Now is this true? The prebuilt mda pro doesn't give you the option to choose one over the other and there are no tariff plan details that say how much 3G data would cost..
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Hi,
i am a german t-mobile customer and here it doesn´t matter if you are connected using gprs or 3g.
Would make absolutly no sense, because the device automatically switches to the fastet network available and it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
The only important factor for the bill is the volume.
- Superbowl

superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.

Yes, I am on web n walk in the UK and it's both.
40mb / month gives you just over a meg a day.
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data, and just in case the bandwidth usage was related to 3G, I went into the phone settings and where you have an 'auto' set for networks, choose GSM and it sticks to only GPRS. I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo.
For general purpose use, GPRS is fine and obviates the issue where the software/OS pratts about switching between networks. Web browsing is fine with images switched off and all is good again.
I am currently using about 3-400k/day which means I will need to have a blow-out web session at the end of the month to use my entitlement (which is better than having to pay excess data charges cos I sucked too much data over the month).
End result is the same - I am connected to MSN through agile and keep in touch with friends during the day, and I get hotmail integration to the messaging apps.
All slightly OT to this thread, but I thought I would share my experience in case it helps.
Joe

joebongo said:
...I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo...
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Great line, made me laugh :lol: Looks like I should give Agile a go then. Didn't realise it was lighter than MSN.
And back on topic, I'm not on Web 'n' Walk yet (really should get round to switching...) but I spoke to a lovely lady at T-Mobile for ages trying to figure out which tarrif would suit me best, and at some point in the conversation she definitely told me that 3G data is charged at exactly the same rate as GPRS data, and the 40 meg allowance covers both.

Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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Had my stag do in Barcelona earlier this year and I was connected to Movistar for the weekend. GPRS rates were (from memory) about £7.50 per Mb which is what T-Mobile's standard GPRS rates were at the time (not sure what they are now?) I was already over my allowance for the month, so I dont know if my allowance would have been used up instead of having to pay the higer price (doubt it though!)

cr2 said:
You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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Ok, it´s possible. But why the hell should i change ?
- Superbowl

No Ones talking about changing.
The point is I wanted to make sure that using UMTS and GPRS doesn't change the billing.
Also, whe you go to another country you have to Roam and I also wanted to know how much that would cost me using gprs? (oh In Spain..) 8)

psteel said:
Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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I used T-Mob roaming in Australia via other cell companies and it cost me 7.50/meg I think.
And, weirdest of all, even tho I had T-Mob GPRS setup for the UK, I didn't change settings, it just worked over there (or appeared to). That was on a SE P910i tho.

That's damn expensive. How can they justify it? It's not like voice calls where you're paying for the foreign country to the uk and then from the uk to where-ever..You're just using the local network to hop onto their gprs network and the web... :evil:
It's about thime this planet got to grips with modern technology..Seem that the public think further ahead than the companies...

£7.50 Per Meg seems like the general consensus then.
Coincidentally (or maybe not?) that's how much T-Mobile charge even in the UK for either PAYG customers, or contract customers with no bolt-ons. (unless they've updated the costs recently)
As for the settings working abroad, GPRS connects via an access point such as "general.t-mobile.com" which is the same the world over. Much like a web address. Each network operator just monitors the traffic to your device, and bills accordingly. Obviously if your abroad, the local network operator bills your home operator and they mark it up 10000000% and bill you in turn.
(At least that's how I understand it)

Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise

is there only way to get the number of MB currently downloaded with a *#XX# shortcuts ?
same for the number of minutes.. it's a bit pain in the bottom to have to call 150 (especially when you get the help yourself options)

dianna_wills said:
Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise
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As I said before, the person I spoke to said otherwise. Conflicting information from the 150 crew then...I'll have to check through my new bill carefully once I've switched to Web 'n' Walk 200, but 3G data has never been charged differently to GPRS on my current tarrif (Relax 200 + 55Mb Data add-on).

cr2 said:
superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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I also have web'n'walk ('flat rate' only for GPRS) so i dont want to use UMTS.
What do you have to change in the registry to use GPRS when UMTS is available??

There is no need to force the MDA Pro to use GPRS on T-Mobile. With the web 'n' walk tarrifs the 40mb is for use on BOTH UTMS (3G) or GPRS.
I can confirm this as I myself am on web 'n' walk 200.

I only ever use 3G on Web'n'Walk 200 (cause I live and work in London), and I haven't been charged for my first 40 Megs yet so no-one on this tarrif should worry!
If you are concerned, sign up on the T-Mobile website for "My T-Mobile". I've finally gotten around to doing this myself, and now I can track my spending easily (even from my JasJar, if I so desire) and change my account options etc, without having to go through the Service Centre every time.
And for those people who have to pay for calls to 150 because they're on a webshop account, you needn't ring 150 ever again (probably!)

Maybe i have a different web'n'walk. I'm from holland and here we have 'pocket internet total' 9,50/month and no time or mb limit. One problem, the t-mobile site says its only for GPRS!
But there is a chance that UMTS is also inclusif, and t-mobile just forgot to mansion that, because i have no charges for umts sofar(MyTmobile)...

joebongo said:
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data
Joe
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This has not been my experience when I used Messenger on my old imate JAM - must test this, cheers. Is Agile Messenger better in other ways too?

t-mob uk web n walk question

dont know if this is right place to ask but, on http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menuid=plans_webnwalk says:
...Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile
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do they mean msn,icq etc? if yes i'll cancel my order and tell them stick it to somewhere

Yes, I beleive that is exactly right, MSN, ICQ etc etc are not allowed at the moment. Under my terms and conditions it says this is to provide a decent experience for other users.
I beleive its purpose is to make people use the sms and voice features of t-mobile, rather than the mainly free use of internet services instead. It is after all there intention to make money on you as a customer.
I *think* they also frown on using your device as a modem for your laptop or pc. Tho i may be wrong on that as they sell the laptop web'n'walk card, but thats on there PRO service.

how much data can a chat consume anyway, 500kb an hr? at most! bad thing is they might just close msn or icq ports on their network and thats it
i dont use to much of it but i wouldn;t like to be prevented from being able to use it
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :evil: :x :roll: :shock:

Do they actually enforce it now?

From that, it looks like that is only on Web n' Walk Pro not the standard

from:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatche...RL=valuemobiles.at/OSD&P36=43XTB9&CID=0&CTY=8
Web ‘n’ Walk Professional is subject to a minimum term contract and credit check. Compatible handset or device required. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data use (both sent and received) of up to 2GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed this volume of data in two (or more) consecutive months in any six month period to ask them to reduce their usage. If usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission. Use of Voice over Internet Protocol and Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile. If use of either or both of these services is detected T-Mobile may terminate all contracts with the customer and disconnect any SIM cards and/or web ‘n’ walk cards from the T-Mobile network.
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I got My TM vario II this morning.
Fired up w&W then MSM and it works. I await the email telling me to stop.
I the meantime I'm usin it

seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..

mattie01 said:
seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..
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I think there may be a couple of reasons
1) By letting people use msn or skype you avoid using the networks features. The features t-mobile make money on and are in business for.
2) To see how the network performs with so many people on web'n'walk and payg users also having free access.
Maybe if they think there network is coping well with so many users they may remove this from there terms and conditions.
While breaking the t&c they can cancel your account, your more likely to get a letter asking you to stop it, and only if your causing a problem to other users or congestion to a cell tower.

I'm fairly certain that web'n'walk pro is the service used by laptop data cards, they have probably enabled restrictions here to stop heavy usage by laptops, I think the normal mobile services will be safe!

MSN on WnW
In my many calls to T-mobile customer services I have never hidden the fact that I wanted to connect to messenger, and I have never been informed that I cant.
My usage never goes over 2gb, so there is no need for them to look into my account in any depth, nor are there any means of definitively knowing if I am using Messenger anyway!
If you wish you can add the web n walk PRO bolt-on to your account for 9 pounds as opposed to 7.50 for the standard bolt-on. Though all it does is give you peace of mind if you wish to use you phone as a modem, and free access to T-mobile Hotspots.
There is no advantage to upgrading to pro in terms of network speed/usage allowance.
I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.

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I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.
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and just to back up what he said, ive been doing the same since april too!

they dont want you to use any IM not because of traffic, but because of lost revenue.
1 sms is around 10p.
1 sms is 160 bytes max.
1 megabyte is 1'048'576 bytes.
i.e. 1 megabyte carries more than 6500 sms
so: for transporting 1 megabyte of data, an operator has revenues of more than £650
imagine how terrified they are of you overloading their network (i.e. their megabyte trnasport facility if you will) and only give them a miserly £8 every month for it.
basically it is a disaster for them if you do more IM and less sms. Hence the T&C's that say they can boot you from their net if you do that (i dont think they will, but their contract gives them option should they choose).
they are living in never never land if they think they can sustain this for any period of time.

well not sure about msgr but real media streaming banned by t-mobile

OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
This is a big shortfall in my opinion. It doesn't even allow messenger to run even when the radio is turned off and you have USB or wifi connection!
hence the blocking might not be on the 'T-mobile network' but within the registry of the device!
Anyone got any workarounds/ideas on overcoming this?
BTW: Skype™ for Pocket PC works fine!

skipjack said:
OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
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but others above have posted it does work on there vario 2s?
maybe somethings not installed / set up correctly on your device?
only have a vario 1 myself but on t- mobile and have been using the msm features since 1st april when web and walk £7.50 option became available

I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.

Nicky said:
I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.
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Not only was it installed on my Vario II, the t-mobile customized manual actually tells you how to set it up. I did query this on a number of occasions and the responce I got was always the same, IMing is not allowed on either web'n'walk or web'n'walk pro.

I have a T-Mobile MDA Vario II, which came pre-installed with Mobile messenger. I installed live messenger mobile, and it worked fine, as it did on my MDA Pro until Microsoft threw a spanner in the works. Messenger is NOT blocked on the Vario II - that is total Bo***cks.
We are all suffering the same problem. I just hope hey bring out the new CAB soon because Agile is just soooooo rubbish in comparison.
I'm waiting with baited breath.

Which programs run?
Hi guys,
sorry for reactivating this old thread. However, I was just wondering if some of the T-Mob UK WnW users could tell me which communication programs they can use without trouble. I experience the following situation:
1.) Live Messenger runs without any problem
2.) Can't get ICQ to work
3.) Skype is possible, though text chat with Skype is not
4.) Couldn't get Fring to work
Can someone please confirm these? Additionally, I'd like to hear whether or not someone managed to use VoIP with the standard WnW bolt on.
N.B.: Don't want to stirr up the "legal" discussion, just want to talk about the technical aspects...
Cheers,
MilchCow

XDA Exec and Internet in the UK

Hello,
It's been about a year since I purchased my O2 XDA Exec from O2 and my contract is soon expiring. I am not a business customer, I simply want access to the internet to manage my website, stay in contact through email and using the internet for general purpose, such as reading news.
In advance, please forgive me as I am quite a newbie in the phone area when it comes to things like services and sim cards.
I am currently paying around £40/m for my O2 XDA Exec and Data Max (120mb). It seems now, that O2 have removed data tarrifs completely from non-business users. Previously only the bottom 3 were available, now they are all business only.
My main problem stems from the fact I don't use my exec for the internet often as I usually have some other access to the internet at home or at work or a dialup line. However, when I am away from home and work, I use the internet an awful lot (thus a tiny 5mb plan or so wouldn't be enough) and for things such as Logmein (eats up megabytes).
This leads me to wonder what my best option would be. Is there any general non-business options open to people with a lower monthly cost than £40/m but with more than a tiny bit of data (20mb+, ideally 75mb+).
Which leads into my second question - is there any way I can use any of these services on my XDA exec, or will I have to buy a new phone? From what I have read, I understand you can buy a different sim card and put it in the phone and use that service instead.
What looks the most perfect for me, is T-Mobile. T-Mobile seem to have very good internet data plans, and they seem to acknowledge that non-business customers actually do want access to the internet and not just a tiny amount of data. Their Web 'n' walk Plus (12) for £29 a month for unlimited access and allowing laptop access. They also seem to have a service where you pay £1 and then get internet access for the day. This would be even more perfect for me, where I need lots of internet in one go, but then no usage for other times.
My next question would be, do I stand any change of using either of these services with my XDA Exec, and if so, how could I go about doing it? I have done my best to search for details, but have found conflicting reports and a lack of details about how to go about doing these things, especially for a newbie like me lacking in knowledge in this area.
I would really appreciate any help anyone could provide,
Thanks in advance

Firstly, I assume that your Exec is unlocked and that you can use any sim in it. AFAIK, all O2 Execs came unlocked, but it might be worth trying a friend's sim in yours first. If not unlocked, I would guess there is an unlock tool somewhere on this forum - haven't looked myself as haven't needed to! Otherwise, there is no reason not to use your Exec on another network - mine is on t-mobile.
Secondly, and somebody may be able to offer advice on this, Three also offer decent unlimited data services but as far as I can see they don't offer sim-only pay monthly deals.
What you don't say is if you use your exec for voice calls at all and how much. On the (big) assumption that voice is not important to you, t-mobile offer two options:
1) pay monthly sim-only - £7.50 gives you 50 mins voice per month per month (15p per minute). You can then add the £7.50 web'n'walk option (unlimited data, but no modem, voip or streaming use). I have read elsewhere that it can be problematic getting this package from sales but I am using it myself so persevere! I assume you can also add the web'n'walk plus instead.
2) Pay as you go sim - 12p per minute plus 0.73p per KB, capped at £1 per day but the t&cs seem to say no modem use so may not be for you.
If you really don't want data approaching 1GB per month as offered by t-mobile, Vodafone's deals may be better - don't have much knowledge of them but they offer 15MB per day for £1 on PAYG (although it seems that it is £1 for the 0.5MB and then free to 15MB, so it may be more expensive than t-mobile - haven't done the maths), or 120MB for £7.50 per month if you're on a sim-only pay monthly contract. They offer 150 mins and 500 texts for £20 per month so this is a marginally better deal than t-mobile if you want to use the Exec for voice. Also, reading the t&cs, they don't seem to preclude modem use as with the basic web'n'walk. Someone may correct me on this.

I did (almost) exactly the same thing when switching from Orange - went onto one of T-Mobiles 'Relax' packages (combined calls and texts) plus web 'n' walk unlimited internet, and I only pay £27.50 a month now and tend to use the internet a lot. I also got a free Nokia 6233 as well, but put a payg sim in this instead and put the contract sim in my uni...
As far as configuration goes, once you join T-Mobile, you can register on their website, which allows you to access an interactive manual for your device - mine was initially set to the Nokia, but you can change it to the MDA Pro (same as the exec) and it then explains, very clearly, what you need to do to configure gprs/3g connections, etc.
One word of warning though, gsm internet access (which is set up to dial a number) is not included in web 'n' walk, so if you use activesync to sync outlook mails and a gprs/3g connection is not available, it can potentially dial up a gsm connection and stick lots of call charges on your account. This happened to me, and about £150 of extra charges were put on my bill - I managed to get them removed and now I don't have a gsm internet account set up on my uni so it doesn't happen again.
Hope this helps.

good info.
I ll do the same.
O2 is not that good for internet. but good for minutes
T mobile internet is cheap.

I moved to three not so long ago.
I'm not sure if the offer is still there but i'm currently paying:
£17.50 line rental
£10.00 X-Series
£27.50 a month total.
I chose the worst phone(dont use it (LG U300)) from their tarrif to give me 18 months half price line rental. Gives me:
300mins
1000txts
£5 downloads a month
50 video mins
25 MMS
X-Series Gold gives me:
Slingbox & Orb usage (80 hours a month (about 2 hrs a day))
5000 Skype minutes a month
Unlimited MSN Messenger
Unlimited Internet (1 gig before they start throttling)
Signed up for X-Series gold for 12 months (in shop) and they give you a free slingbox (worth about £140) not bad at all!!
Pretty damn good deal. I must say I love three, not had any issues at all.
You can also get x-series silver which is without the orb & sling stuff for £5 a month.
I doubt you'll get a better deal from another mobile provider. The slingbox is just sick, watch your sky tv on the move, i've not tried it yet as it will involve some additional networking but I can't wait!!
worth a look...

Thanks a lot for all the replies, some really useful information and I very much appreciate it. I apolpogise for the lateness of my reply but unfortunately I have been inundated with work which has put me back looking into this.
What seems to be the most perfect for me, is this plan from the T-Mobile site:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone-and-laptop/
Web'n'walk Plus for £12.50/month on top of your voice plan
It says you can use it on your laptop and on your phone, and includes the data allowance (but no VOIP).
However, I'm still a little unclear - would it be possible to get a sim card (withouta phone) for this plan from T-Mobile as it doesn't seem possible from the site? If so, would I get the sim card, configure my Universal with the required settings and then be ready to go?
Thanks for your time,
Quboid.

You can get a sim only monthly plan from T-Mobile, but it only includes 50 minutes of calls and is £7.50 a month and there doesnt look to be any sort of scale of charges associated with it. It also doesn't see to be available bundled with a web n walk plan, so the only internet you get with it is max charge of £1 per day for using the internet.
I would pick a decent handset to get for free, to use as a spare or if you don't want to lug your Exec about with sometimes, and go with your initial web n walk plan.

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You can get a sim only monthly plan from T-Mobile, but it only includes 50 minutes of calls and is £7.50 a month and there doesnt look to be any sort of scale of charges associated with it. It also doesn't see to be available bundled with a web n walk plan, so the only internet you get with it is max charge of £1 per day for using the internet.
I would pick a decent handset to get for free, to use as a spare or if you don't want to lug your Exec about with sometimes, and go with your initial web n walk plan.
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Thanks for your reply,
Is it pretty much impossible then to be able to get a sim to use in m Exec without having to get another phone? It seems somewhat furstrating if I have a compatible phone and such to have to get another in order to be able to go with T-mobile? Is there any hope of getting web 'n' walk without having to do this?
Thanks a lot

Try phoning up their sales department. They'll be best suited to give you decent info, i'm sure they want a sale.
http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/
they might have some more info.

UK cheapest Internet for Smartphone ???

whot is the best deal for cheapest internet in UK for mideum to havy use
i.e. Voip Skype, Windows Live mesenger ?
preferably SIM only ?

i'd like to know the options too. I used to have O2 pay and go and it burned my credit ridiculously. Orange pay and go is OK atm, i pay a fiver for 1 week. It does seem slow, though. Even when the edge icon is showing, my laptop's internet connection is always sloow; windows reports 230.4 Kbps, dslreports reports 42Kbps but things seem sluggish.

I love my tmobile sim only monthly contract.
£7.50 a month for50minutes, but, because it's a contract, I get 5to add the £7.50 a month web n walk bundle onto it.
Virtually unlimited* data for £15 a month.
* I use lots of push email, messaging, grpahical rss feeds etc.... they've never given me trouble.

X 3 sales consultant
i think your best bet is 3 network. they have the best deal with skype and unlimited browsing at £5 a month. all you have to do is signup for a £15 deal and then include X-series silver in your price plan. you will get a free handset(nokia6120 recomd).then you can take out your sim/chip and pop it into any 3G handset.

shelay said:
i think your best bet is 3 network. they have the best deal with skype and unlimited browsing at £5 a month. all you have to do is signup for a £15 deal and then include X-series silver in your price plan. you will get a free handset(nokia6120 recomd).then you can take out your sim/chip and pop it into any 3G handset.
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That's not bad.
EDIT: Oh hold on "When using the internet, you can't use some websites (including adult websites)" - I don't like isps telling me what sites I can't visit?
Also:-
# Unlimited data* to use on:
# Web surfing (Yahoo! Search, Yahoo! Go)
# Mobile Mail (Yahoo! Mail, Gmail and other ISPs)
# Podcasts
Does this mean I can't access the rest of the internet? Is it still wall gardened?

Sim only on 3
im thinking of getting SIM only offer with free windows live mesenger untill end of 2007 (sounds good)
and question about 5 pounds internet addon ----
cen i wisit site's like XDA-developers etc. will it be imcluded in that 5 pound addon ?
is limit a 1GB a month or what ?
it sed not to be used as a modem, whot will they do if i do use it as a modem ? how would they know ?
will all these work on Windows Mobile 6 smartphone ? (WM6 Treo750 unbranded, unlocked)

been tryin to research this myself too! V frustrating tryin to work out what im gettin for my money with so much *terms and conditions bulls**t!
use my htc touch for work to receive email sending and receiving would be nice to be able to use skype and general internet with out worrying about costs!! web and walk seems to exclude messinger and voip, 02 is offering me 600mins 500txt and 1mb for £35/month or xtra 20mb for a tenner extra and £300 cashback over the year dont know how quick i would use 21mb tho?

Dose anybody know if Three (3) UK network internet add-on include MSN (Windows LIve Mesenger) conversations ?

Restrictions @ german UMTS flatrates (VOIP, IM...)

Hello...
Here's a question to all germans with a data option or a separate data plan...:
I currently have the 250 MB optioon of E-Plus. It's cheap, but the radio reception is horrible and there is no EDGE and HSPDA and so on... So I plan to buy a data card from Vodafone or T-Mobile. As I saw, they both forbid IM and VOIP. E-Plus only does this with VOIP. IM is THE service I use with my cellphone and my notebook via cellphone on the road.
Is it really like that? Are you not able to establish an IM Session like ICQ or MSN? Neither with ICQ Software nor with Trillian or something like that? I can't beleive that. WTF? This is one of the most usable services besides E-Mail and WWW! I can't abstain from chatting on the road...
With E-Plus I am always able to chat with Trillian...
Is that really a question of having good radio reception and high speed connection on the one side and chatting on the other side?
Very annoying thing....
Thanks for sharing your experience!

Noone here using those flatrates and wants to share his expreiences?

Hi man,
i have the tmobile web n walk handy flat for 10€ a month.
They write no IM and no VOIP and just http and https but everything will work will work. If they filter it we can use a vpn to redirect our whole web traffic. I call t-mobile and asked them and the y told me that a vpn will always be allowed

Thanks for your info. Do you use it as a seperate dataplan or as an option to your phone plan? I read somewhere that they use different settings for filtering IM and so on on both products...

All only ****ing,
Vodafone does allow IM, in the conrtact they say its disallowed but i can use everything !!.!!
t-Mob also allows all stuff, they dont have a tecnicaly correct way to block it as there are so many different ports/datastream types for IM / VoIP.
So just get what u like and be happy !
Greets
Skype work fine on all of them (TESTED !!)

Hello Neutron83,
thanks for reply. But I have to veto. I tested an old (about 1 year old) Web N Walk data plan (no option to an existing phone plan), there it works w/o problems. Trillian is able to conenct to ICQ and MSN.
A friend of mine has a new contract, same as above. He is not able to connect to Skype or ICQ.
What provider / data plan do you have? When have you contracted it?

Inreceived today my EeePC and my T-Mobile web'n'walk Stick IV... and IM works w/o problems...
I don't understand how they block that... and for which connections. At some friends it works, at some not...
However, I don't want to complain about that Just for your information.

Thank you for your Feedback.
Have fun with your EEE