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t-mob uk web n walk question

dont know if this is right place to ask but, on http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menuid=plans_webnwalk says:
...Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile
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do they mean msn,icq etc? if yes i'll cancel my order and tell them stick it to somewhere

Yes, I beleive that is exactly right, MSN, ICQ etc etc are not allowed at the moment. Under my terms and conditions it says this is to provide a decent experience for other users.
I beleive its purpose is to make people use the sms and voice features of t-mobile, rather than the mainly free use of internet services instead. It is after all there intention to make money on you as a customer.
I *think* they also frown on using your device as a modem for your laptop or pc. Tho i may be wrong on that as they sell the laptop web'n'walk card, but thats on there PRO service.

how much data can a chat consume anyway, 500kb an hr? at most! bad thing is they might just close msn or icq ports on their network and thats it
i dont use to much of it but i wouldn;t like to be prevented from being able to use it
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :evil: :x :roll: :shock:

Do they actually enforce it now?

From that, it looks like that is only on Web n' Walk Pro not the standard

from:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatche...RL=valuemobiles.at/OSD&P36=43XTB9&CID=0&CTY=8
Web ‘n’ Walk Professional is subject to a minimum term contract and credit check. Compatible handset or device required. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data use (both sent and received) of up to 2GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed this volume of data in two (or more) consecutive months in any six month period to ask them to reduce their usage. If usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission. Use of Voice over Internet Protocol and Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile. If use of either or both of these services is detected T-Mobile may terminate all contracts with the customer and disconnect any SIM cards and/or web ‘n’ walk cards from the T-Mobile network.
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I got My TM vario II this morning.
Fired up w&W then MSM and it works. I await the email telling me to stop.
I the meantime I'm usin it

seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..

mattie01 said:
seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..
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I think there may be a couple of reasons
1) By letting people use msn or skype you avoid using the networks features. The features t-mobile make money on and are in business for.
2) To see how the network performs with so many people on web'n'walk and payg users also having free access.
Maybe if they think there network is coping well with so many users they may remove this from there terms and conditions.
While breaking the t&c they can cancel your account, your more likely to get a letter asking you to stop it, and only if your causing a problem to other users or congestion to a cell tower.

I'm fairly certain that web'n'walk pro is the service used by laptop data cards, they have probably enabled restrictions here to stop heavy usage by laptops, I think the normal mobile services will be safe!

MSN on WnW
In my many calls to T-mobile customer services I have never hidden the fact that I wanted to connect to messenger, and I have never been informed that I cant.
My usage never goes over 2gb, so there is no need for them to look into my account in any depth, nor are there any means of definitively knowing if I am using Messenger anyway!
If you wish you can add the web n walk PRO bolt-on to your account for 9 pounds as opposed to 7.50 for the standard bolt-on. Though all it does is give you peace of mind if you wish to use you phone as a modem, and free access to T-mobile Hotspots.
There is no advantage to upgrading to pro in terms of network speed/usage allowance.
I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.

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mrleoni said:
I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.
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and just to back up what he said, ive been doing the same since april too!

they dont want you to use any IM not because of traffic, but because of lost revenue.
1 sms is around 10p.
1 sms is 160 bytes max.
1 megabyte is 1'048'576 bytes.
i.e. 1 megabyte carries more than 6500 sms
so: for transporting 1 megabyte of data, an operator has revenues of more than £650
imagine how terrified they are of you overloading their network (i.e. their megabyte trnasport facility if you will) and only give them a miserly £8 every month for it.
basically it is a disaster for them if you do more IM and less sms. Hence the T&C's that say they can boot you from their net if you do that (i dont think they will, but their contract gives them option should they choose).
they are living in never never land if they think they can sustain this for any period of time.

well not sure about msgr but real media streaming banned by t-mobile

OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
This is a big shortfall in my opinion. It doesn't even allow messenger to run even when the radio is turned off and you have USB or wifi connection!
hence the blocking might not be on the 'T-mobile network' but within the registry of the device!
Anyone got any workarounds/ideas on overcoming this?
BTW: Skype™ for Pocket PC works fine!

skipjack said:
OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
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but others above have posted it does work on there vario 2s?
maybe somethings not installed / set up correctly on your device?
only have a vario 1 myself but on t- mobile and have been using the msm features since 1st april when web and walk £7.50 option became available

I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.

Nicky said:
I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.
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Not only was it installed on my Vario II, the t-mobile customized manual actually tells you how to set it up. I did query this on a number of occasions and the responce I got was always the same, IMing is not allowed on either web'n'walk or web'n'walk pro.

I have a T-Mobile MDA Vario II, which came pre-installed with Mobile messenger. I installed live messenger mobile, and it worked fine, as it did on my MDA Pro until Microsoft threw a spanner in the works. Messenger is NOT blocked on the Vario II - that is total Bo***cks.
We are all suffering the same problem. I just hope hey bring out the new CAB soon because Agile is just soooooo rubbish in comparison.
I'm waiting with baited breath.

Which programs run?
Hi guys,
sorry for reactivating this old thread. However, I was just wondering if some of the T-Mob UK WnW users could tell me which communication programs they can use without trouble. I experience the following situation:
1.) Live Messenger runs without any problem
2.) Can't get ICQ to work
3.) Skype is possible, though text chat with Skype is not
4.) Couldn't get Fring to work
Can someone please confirm these? Additionally, I'd like to hear whether or not someone managed to use VoIP with the standard WnW bolt on.
N.B.: Don't want to stirr up the "legal" discussion, just want to talk about the technical aspects...
Cheers,
MilchCow

XDA Exec and Internet in the UK

Hello,
It's been about a year since I purchased my O2 XDA Exec from O2 and my contract is soon expiring. I am not a business customer, I simply want access to the internet to manage my website, stay in contact through email and using the internet for general purpose, such as reading news.
In advance, please forgive me as I am quite a newbie in the phone area when it comes to things like services and sim cards.
I am currently paying around £40/m for my O2 XDA Exec and Data Max (120mb). It seems now, that O2 have removed data tarrifs completely from non-business users. Previously only the bottom 3 were available, now they are all business only.
My main problem stems from the fact I don't use my exec for the internet often as I usually have some other access to the internet at home or at work or a dialup line. However, when I am away from home and work, I use the internet an awful lot (thus a tiny 5mb plan or so wouldn't be enough) and for things such as Logmein (eats up megabytes).
This leads me to wonder what my best option would be. Is there any general non-business options open to people with a lower monthly cost than £40/m but with more than a tiny bit of data (20mb+, ideally 75mb+).
Which leads into my second question - is there any way I can use any of these services on my XDA exec, or will I have to buy a new phone? From what I have read, I understand you can buy a different sim card and put it in the phone and use that service instead.
What looks the most perfect for me, is T-Mobile. T-Mobile seem to have very good internet data plans, and they seem to acknowledge that non-business customers actually do want access to the internet and not just a tiny amount of data. Their Web 'n' walk Plus (12) for £29 a month for unlimited access and allowing laptop access. They also seem to have a service where you pay £1 and then get internet access for the day. This would be even more perfect for me, where I need lots of internet in one go, but then no usage for other times.
My next question would be, do I stand any change of using either of these services with my XDA Exec, and if so, how could I go about doing it? I have done my best to search for details, but have found conflicting reports and a lack of details about how to go about doing these things, especially for a newbie like me lacking in knowledge in this area.
I would really appreciate any help anyone could provide,
Thanks in advance

Firstly, I assume that your Exec is unlocked and that you can use any sim in it. AFAIK, all O2 Execs came unlocked, but it might be worth trying a friend's sim in yours first. If not unlocked, I would guess there is an unlock tool somewhere on this forum - haven't looked myself as haven't needed to! Otherwise, there is no reason not to use your Exec on another network - mine is on t-mobile.
Secondly, and somebody may be able to offer advice on this, Three also offer decent unlimited data services but as far as I can see they don't offer sim-only pay monthly deals.
What you don't say is if you use your exec for voice calls at all and how much. On the (big) assumption that voice is not important to you, t-mobile offer two options:
1) pay monthly sim-only - £7.50 gives you 50 mins voice per month per month (15p per minute). You can then add the £7.50 web'n'walk option (unlimited data, but no modem, voip or streaming use). I have read elsewhere that it can be problematic getting this package from sales but I am using it myself so persevere! I assume you can also add the web'n'walk plus instead.
2) Pay as you go sim - 12p per minute plus 0.73p per KB, capped at £1 per day but the t&cs seem to say no modem use so may not be for you.
If you really don't want data approaching 1GB per month as offered by t-mobile, Vodafone's deals may be better - don't have much knowledge of them but they offer 15MB per day for £1 on PAYG (although it seems that it is £1 for the 0.5MB and then free to 15MB, so it may be more expensive than t-mobile - haven't done the maths), or 120MB for £7.50 per month if you're on a sim-only pay monthly contract. They offer 150 mins and 500 texts for £20 per month so this is a marginally better deal than t-mobile if you want to use the Exec for voice. Also, reading the t&cs, they don't seem to preclude modem use as with the basic web'n'walk. Someone may correct me on this.

I did (almost) exactly the same thing when switching from Orange - went onto one of T-Mobiles 'Relax' packages (combined calls and texts) plus web 'n' walk unlimited internet, and I only pay £27.50 a month now and tend to use the internet a lot. I also got a free Nokia 6233 as well, but put a payg sim in this instead and put the contract sim in my uni...
As far as configuration goes, once you join T-Mobile, you can register on their website, which allows you to access an interactive manual for your device - mine was initially set to the Nokia, but you can change it to the MDA Pro (same as the exec) and it then explains, very clearly, what you need to do to configure gprs/3g connections, etc.
One word of warning though, gsm internet access (which is set up to dial a number) is not included in web 'n' walk, so if you use activesync to sync outlook mails and a gprs/3g connection is not available, it can potentially dial up a gsm connection and stick lots of call charges on your account. This happened to me, and about £150 of extra charges were put on my bill - I managed to get them removed and now I don't have a gsm internet account set up on my uni so it doesn't happen again.
Hope this helps.

good info.
I ll do the same.
O2 is not that good for internet. but good for minutes
T mobile internet is cheap.

I moved to three not so long ago.
I'm not sure if the offer is still there but i'm currently paying:
£17.50 line rental
£10.00 X-Series
£27.50 a month total.
I chose the worst phone(dont use it (LG U300)) from their tarrif to give me 18 months half price line rental. Gives me:
300mins
1000txts
£5 downloads a month
50 video mins
25 MMS
X-Series Gold gives me:
Slingbox & Orb usage (80 hours a month (about 2 hrs a day))
5000 Skype minutes a month
Unlimited MSN Messenger
Unlimited Internet (1 gig before they start throttling)
Signed up for X-Series gold for 12 months (in shop) and they give you a free slingbox (worth about £140) not bad at all!!
Pretty damn good deal. I must say I love three, not had any issues at all.
You can also get x-series silver which is without the orb & sling stuff for £5 a month.
I doubt you'll get a better deal from another mobile provider. The slingbox is just sick, watch your sky tv on the move, i've not tried it yet as it will involve some additional networking but I can't wait!!
worth a look...

Thanks a lot for all the replies, some really useful information and I very much appreciate it. I apolpogise for the lateness of my reply but unfortunately I have been inundated with work which has put me back looking into this.
What seems to be the most perfect for me, is this plan from the T-Mobile site:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone-and-laptop/
Web'n'walk Plus for £12.50/month on top of your voice plan
It says you can use it on your laptop and on your phone, and includes the data allowance (but no VOIP).
However, I'm still a little unclear - would it be possible to get a sim card (withouta phone) for this plan from T-Mobile as it doesn't seem possible from the site? If so, would I get the sim card, configure my Universal with the required settings and then be ready to go?
Thanks for your time,
Quboid.

You can get a sim only monthly plan from T-Mobile, but it only includes 50 minutes of calls and is £7.50 a month and there doesnt look to be any sort of scale of charges associated with it. It also doesn't see to be available bundled with a web n walk plan, so the only internet you get with it is max charge of £1 per day for using the internet.
I would pick a decent handset to get for free, to use as a spare or if you don't want to lug your Exec about with sometimes, and go with your initial web n walk plan.

captainsensible2002 said:
You can get a sim only monthly plan from T-Mobile, but it only includes 50 minutes of calls and is £7.50 a month and there doesnt look to be any sort of scale of charges associated with it. It also doesn't see to be available bundled with a web n walk plan, so the only internet you get with it is max charge of £1 per day for using the internet.
I would pick a decent handset to get for free, to use as a spare or if you don't want to lug your Exec about with sometimes, and go with your initial web n walk plan.
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Thanks for your reply,
Is it pretty much impossible then to be able to get a sim to use in m Exec without having to get another phone? It seems somewhat furstrating if I have a compatible phone and such to have to get another in order to be able to go with T-mobile? Is there any hope of getting web 'n' walk without having to do this?
Thanks a lot

Try phoning up their sales department. They'll be best suited to give you decent info, i'm sure they want a sale.
http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/
they might have some more info.

Best Network for PAYG Surfing (noob with m3100 hermes)

Hi all , just got a spv m3100 and am gonna upgrade to WM6 and unlock the SIM/CID , now then.....
In the UK which is the cheapest/best data provider on PAYG , anyone offer free browsing on evenings/weekends? Do all use HSPDA?
How do i go about setting up 3g or even where to buy a 3g sim?
Also WIFI is free if i connect to my own wireless router isnt it?
Sorry for being so completely thick , and i have googled around for data tariffs btw but cant really work out half the hidden charges etc

i dunno about cheapest/best data provider, but for sure noone offers free evenings.
3g service is a capability built into your phone, and a "3g" sim card is just a normal sim card. there really is no such thing.
Wifi IS most definitely free if you connect to your own router.

Thanks for the responce , I know Orange do free evenings....
"Get up to 1000 free texts to anyone every month
and free evening mobile Internet browsing"
http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/sim/payg_sim
Apparently the most you can spend is 1 pound a day (on most providers) , is this for 3G as well as / or only for GPRS. And are there any hidden charges?
How have you guys found browsing on your PPC's/PDA's etc?
Also which provider should i choose , who provides the best service in your opinion?
cheers
roy

as i understand it, 100p = 1 pound, right?
It shows that each area/region code has different going rate.
It seems like a reasonable deal, and orange i believe has 2g services (EDGE)
I think it says that the REGISTRATION fee is 1 pound, and the most you will end up spending for data is 2 pounds a day. This works like any prepaid card, you add money, you call people, money gets taken off the card.
It seems like a good deal, but orange has a history of sneaky language.
For example, their "Unlimited Data" actually mean "At 3 gb, we start watching you"

roy8846 said:
Hi all , just got a spv m3100 and am gonna upgrade to WM6 and unlock the SIM/CID , now then.....
In the UK which is the cheapest/best data provider on PAYG , anyone offer free browsing on evenings/weekends? Do all use HSPDA?
How do i go about setting up 3g or even where to buy a 3g sim?
Also WIFI is free if i connect to my own wireless router isnt it?
Sorry for being so completely thick , and i have googled around for data tariffs btw but cant really work out half the hidden charges etc
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I think the 3 network is the best , 5 pound per month for 2 g data . it is very good at the moment , I use it for some months and the speed is ok so if you want to use the net on the go you should try to give it a go
buy a 3 simcard
install cap file on your spv m3100 which is all setting for internet
click start/setting/connection
click connection/manage existing connection
click Proxy setting/advanced
stick this network uses aproxy server to connect to the internet
click wap under server enter 192.168.71.35 under port 9201
click ok 5 times
topup 10 pound PAYG and then use your spv 3100 go to http://mobile.three.co.uk/pc/Live/pcreator/live/mwsun
go to my 3
from there you to buy internet add-on 5 pound p/m
you should only go to internet after bouth add-on because if you didnt they will charge very expensitive

Wmobile Network cards problem fixed?

Hey, i'm currently using WM2003 on an xda2i.
What is exceptionally frustrating is if I want to use wifi internet, I have to to to
Start-> Settings-> Connections-> connections-> advanced and change BOTH drop downs to WORK NETWORK.l If I want to use GPRS internet I have to do the same but select MY ISP in the first drop down. Switching between communication methods is extremely annoying :S
Also, if I connect to GPRS and leave it on it auto disconnects quite quickly, (10-15 mins) and then the phone needs to be reset inorder to reconnect.
My question might seems illy, but can anyone tell me if things work PROPERLY on pater versions of windows mobile and on the blackstone as I've never used anything except WM2003.
Thank you for your help, I WANT this phone.
.........Ib a n e

The problem you describe is not present on my Touch (Elf) so I'm sure it's been fixed by now. In fact, I didn't have the same problem even on my Exec (Universal) three years ago.

Fantastic! thank you for the input. I'm slowly realising how much I am putting up with in my 2i. I love it, but I need a change, and I don't really want an iPhone.
Might sell my SOUL to afford a sim free Touch HD and this was a stumbling block.
Thanks for clearing it up

I'm also just wondering whether I can justify buying SIM-free and a SIM-only contract from O2, against the cost of a phone on contract.
SIM-free for 18 months:
Phone - £500
SIM card - £20 per month (including unlimited mobile web)
Total - £860
On contract for 18 months:
Phone - £100 (guess based on Touch Pro)
Monthly cost - £35 (including unlimited mobile web)
Total - £730
There's a huge difference in cost and I'm not sure I can justify it just to get one today instead of waiting a couple of months until O2 release the Touch HD on contract (assuming they do). But I really really want this phone. (In fact, mainly I really really want to leave Orange and go back to O2, whose network actually works where I live.)
To add further info to your original question, I've set up seven email accounts in my Touch and they check for new mail periodically (some accounts every two hours, some every 30 mins). If I've turned Wi-Fi on then the connection happens through Wi-Fi but if I'm out of range or Wi-Fi is off then the phone will automatically and silently connect to GPRS and check emails that way. I never need to touch anything. Once it's connected to GPRS it stays connected for hours with no problems.
The only slight inconvenience is that to send an email the two connection methods (GPRS and Wi-Fi) have different SMTP requirements. I can't send emails through Orange's SMTP server while connected to a Wi-Fi network, and I can't send through my ISP's SMTP server (through my home Wi-Fi connection for example) when I'm connected to the internet with GPRS. But this isn't a limitation of Windows Mobile; my laptop is just the same. My solution was to set up my own SMTP server through which I can authenticate to send emails regardless of how my devices connect to the Internet.

mm... yes hadn't thought about the SMTP but I have experienced this before. It is a slight annoyance, but a necessary one I guess without setting up your own server.
I'm glad to heard of your good checking experiences with the email.
mmm.... i'm not a fan of buying contract and using contracts. I prefer to try to buy SIM FREE outright, and if possible Avail of a simplicity contract with vodafone, which only requires one month warning to leave.
The reason I choose Vodafone is because O2 block MSN messenger... and I'm unsure about skype (not that I use it a lot, but I don't like being TOLD by my network what I can and can't use.)
I have no idea about vodafone 3g hsdpa reception though, might have to look into it.
Yeh, I swap from northern ireland, to southern ireland frequently, and as I am currently looking for permanent work, I don't know exactly where I'll end up....thus, contracts are not suitable for me right now.
I did see the Touch HD in a swiss shop for about 469 sterling. think it was www.digitec.com
I've emailed them to see how much shipping would be.

Restrictions @ german UMTS flatrates (VOIP, IM...)

Hello...
Here's a question to all germans with a data option or a separate data plan...:
I currently have the 250 MB optioon of E-Plus. It's cheap, but the radio reception is horrible and there is no EDGE and HSPDA and so on... So I plan to buy a data card from Vodafone or T-Mobile. As I saw, they both forbid IM and VOIP. E-Plus only does this with VOIP. IM is THE service I use with my cellphone and my notebook via cellphone on the road.
Is it really like that? Are you not able to establish an IM Session like ICQ or MSN? Neither with ICQ Software nor with Trillian or something like that? I can't beleive that. WTF? This is one of the most usable services besides E-Mail and WWW! I can't abstain from chatting on the road...
With E-Plus I am always able to chat with Trillian...
Is that really a question of having good radio reception and high speed connection on the one side and chatting on the other side?
Very annoying thing....
Thanks for sharing your experience!

Noone here using those flatrates and wants to share his expreiences?

Hi man,
i have the tmobile web n walk handy flat for 10€ a month.
They write no IM and no VOIP and just http and https but everything will work will work. If they filter it we can use a vpn to redirect our whole web traffic. I call t-mobile and asked them and the y told me that a vpn will always be allowed

Thanks for your info. Do you use it as a seperate dataplan or as an option to your phone plan? I read somewhere that they use different settings for filtering IM and so on on both products...

All only ****ing,
Vodafone does allow IM, in the conrtact they say its disallowed but i can use everything !!.!!
t-Mob also allows all stuff, they dont have a tecnicaly correct way to block it as there are so many different ports/datastream types for IM / VoIP.
So just get what u like and be happy !
Greets
Skype work fine on all of them (TESTED !!)

Hello Neutron83,
thanks for reply. But I have to veto. I tested an old (about 1 year old) Web N Walk data plan (no option to an existing phone plan), there it works w/o problems. Trillian is able to conenct to ICQ and MSN.
A friend of mine has a new contract, same as above. He is not able to connect to Skype or ICQ.
What provider / data plan do you have? When have you contracted it?

Inreceived today my EeePC and my T-Mobile web'n'walk Stick IV... and IM works w/o problems...
I don't understand how they block that... and for which connections. At some friends it works, at some not...
However, I don't want to complain about that Just for your information.

Thank you for your Feedback.
Have fun with your EEE