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Hi all,
I bought a MDA PRO on the t-mobile tariff webnwalk that give 40MB of web browsing per month. The adverts and customer services specifically say web browsing or internet browsing.
I saw in a post the other day, someone saying that that is only for GPRS and NOT UMTS (3G).. Now is this true? The prebuilt mda pro doesn't give you the option to choose one over the other and there are no tariff plan details that say how much 3G data would cost..
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Hi,
i am a german t-mobile customer and here it doesn´t matter if you are connected using gprs or 3g.
Would make absolutly no sense, because the device automatically switches to the fastet network available and it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
The only important factor for the bill is the volume.
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superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
Yes, I am on web n walk in the UK and it's both.
40mb / month gives you just over a meg a day.
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data, and just in case the bandwidth usage was related to 3G, I went into the phone settings and where you have an 'auto' set for networks, choose GSM and it sticks to only GPRS. I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo.
For general purpose use, GPRS is fine and obviates the issue where the software/OS pratts about switching between networks. Web browsing is fine with images switched off and all is good again.
I am currently using about 3-400k/day which means I will need to have a blow-out web session at the end of the month to use my entitlement (which is better than having to pay excess data charges cos I sucked too much data over the month).
End result is the same - I am connected to MSN through agile and keep in touch with friends during the day, and I get hotmail integration to the messaging apps.
All slightly OT to this thread, but I thought I would share my experience in case it helps.
Joe
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...I later tested MSN messenger on GPRS and it still sucks data like a mofo...
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Great line, made me laugh :lol: Looks like I should give Agile a go then. Didn't realise it was lighter than MSN.
And back on topic, I'm not on Web 'n' Walk yet (really should get round to switching...) but I spoke to a lovely lady at T-Mobile for ages trying to figure out which tarrif would suit me best, and at some point in the conversation she definitely told me that 3G data is charged at exactly the same rate as GPRS data, and the 40 meg allowance covers both.
Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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Had my stag do in Barcelona earlier this year and I was connected to Movistar for the weekend. GPRS rates were (from memory) about £7.50 per Mb which is what T-Mobile's standard GPRS rates were at the time (not sure what they are now?) I was already over my allowance for the month, so I dont know if my allowance would have been used up instead of having to pay the higer price (doubt it though!)
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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Ok, it´s possible. But why the hell should i change ?
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No Ones talking about changing.
The point is I wanted to make sure that using UMTS and GPRS doesn't change the billing.
Also, whe you go to another country you have to Roam and I also wanted to know how much that would cost me using gprs? (oh In Spain..) 8)
psteel said:
Excellent!
We'll I've now done the registry fix to t-mobile Internet option to make sure it really is ALWAYS ON.
I'm in Spain next week and how I can use GPRS from there. You know which partner networks I should try it on and how much it'll cost me?
I've tried t-mobile and they give me different answers from 'you can't use gprs out in Spain' to 'it'll cost you at least £7 p MB'
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I used T-Mob roaming in Australia via other cell companies and it cost me 7.50/meg I think.
And, weirdest of all, even tho I had T-Mob GPRS setup for the UK, I didn't change settings, it just worked over there (or appeared to). That was on a SE P910i tho.
That's damn expensive. How can they justify it? It's not like voice calls where you're paying for the foreign country to the uk and then from the uk to where-ever..You're just using the local network to hop onto their gprs network and the web... :evil:
It's about thime this planet got to grips with modern technology..Seem that the public think further ahead than the companies...
£7.50 Per Meg seems like the general consensus then.
Coincidentally (or maybe not?) that's how much T-Mobile charge even in the UK for either PAYG customers, or contract customers with no bolt-ons. (unless they've updated the costs recently)
As for the settings working abroad, GPRS connects via an access point such as "general.t-mobile.com" which is the same the world over. Much like a web address. Each network operator just monitors the traffic to your device, and bills accordingly. Obviously if your abroad, the local network operator bills your home operator and they mark it up 10000000% and bill you in turn.
(At least that's how I understand it)
Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise
is there only way to get the number of MB currently downloaded with a *#XX# shortcuts ?
same for the number of minutes.. it's a bit pain in the bottom to have to call 150 (especially when you get the help yourself options)
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Call 150 and the guy will tell you that it's for GPRS only. I think he might not have the proper authority of saying it, but then again, as long as this guy is a quotable source i.e. 150-guy; so the fact stands until someone made a 150 call and tell us otherwise
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As I said before, the person I spoke to said otherwise. Conflicting information from the 150 crew then...I'll have to check through my new bill carefully once I've switched to Web 'n' Walk 200, but 3G data has never been charged differently to GPRS on my current tarrif (Relax 200 + 55Mb Data add-on).
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superbowl said:
it is not possible to use gprs when i am in a area where 3g is available.
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You can change this behaviour by modifying the registry keys.
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I also have web'n'walk ('flat rate' only for GPRS) so i dont want to use UMTS.
What do you have to change in the registry to use GPRS when UMTS is available??
There is no need to force the MDA Pro to use GPRS on T-Mobile. With the web 'n' walk tarrifs the 40mb is for use on BOTH UTMS (3G) or GPRS.
I can confirm this as I myself am on web 'n' walk 200.
I only ever use 3G on Web'n'Walk 200 (cause I live and work in London), and I haven't been charged for my first 40 Megs yet so no-one on this tarrif should worry!
If you are concerned, sign up on the T-Mobile website for "My T-Mobile". I've finally gotten around to doing this myself, and now I can track my spending easily (even from my JasJar, if I so desire) and change my account options etc, without having to go through the Service Centre every time.
And for those people who have to pay for calls to 150 because they're on a webshop account, you needn't ring 150 ever again (probably!)
Maybe i have a different web'n'walk. I'm from holland and here we have 'pocket internet total' 9,50/month and no time or mb limit. One problem, the t-mobile site says its only for GPRS!
But there is a chance that UMTS is also inclusif, and t-mobile just forgot to mansion that, because i have no charges for umts sofar(MyTmobile)...
joebongo said:
Now, if you buy/obtain the pocket MSN software, then you get your hotmail back (woohoo) but MSN messenger sucks bandwidth like there's no tomorrow - nearly a meg in a few hours.
Agile messenger doesn't use anywhere near as much data
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This has not been my experience when I used Messenger on my old imate JAM - must test this, cheers. Is Agile Messenger better in other ways too?
Hi everyone,
I've just got my jasjar this week and already used this great forum to assist me with few issues, so thankyou.
now, 3 network in Australia, to my limited knowledge, as the following networks.
3Services - which is limited 'intranet' with some free content and some paid content BUT provide imap4 e-mail address for $3 a month.
and
3netAccess - access to the internet charged at 4c a kb !!!
now, on my jasjar, I managed to get the 3netAccess going as a 3G\GPRS network, however, this is too expensive for me in order to use it for e-mail only.
the question is, has anyone managed to get the 3Services (i.e. 3 intranet) working on the JJ? has anyone managed to get the three imap e-mail address going?
thanks,
i just use telstra and it all works ok, i have enough email accounts to keep track of without adding more (activesync, personal email, hotmail, gmail) plus text and mms i am getting all messaged out....
but 3g works for me fine
Hi,
I have been trialing Vodafone on my Dopod 900 here in Sydney. However testing has been limited while I tinker around for an ideal setup.
Though there 2nd level support is great. Was able to walk me through the whole process of setup once they understood it was running WM5. However I haven't tested PIX yet.
With Vodafone, on prepaid you only have WAP access, to get full mobile broadband you have to go onto a billing plan, but I'm not locked into any terms.
I'm curious what pain did you go through with 3, or did you just buy a phone and plan and used the SIM?
Regards
Michael
it was really simple, told secretary I wanted 3g access, and 2 days later I had it. I think it stays under the gprs corporate access rates.
I don't pay the bill directly, just reduces the profits available! I might look at the actual costs, cause I am only on the $5 gprs rates with 2.2c per kb over 250kb (very expensive and doesn't take much to go through250kb)
3g video until june is charged at mobile phone rates but don't know anybody using video phones.
sorry not much help rweally
by the way using telstra which I thing is using the 3 network.
note the tricks and shinanigans with128kb (video phone aspeed given) versus 384kb (data and internet access speeds actually available) I think they gave me 128kb but haven't checked.
to - michaelg
hi michaelg, yes, I just bought a Jasjar and have a 3 sim for over two and a half years now, so popped the SIM in and it works fine...have set it up on 3netaccess which is the more expensive network though...unfortunately no one could help me with my question.
cheers,
Ghoz,
Have you looked at 3 Australia's email pack? $3/month to send+recieve unlimited emails (free if you only want to recieve) - only problem is, it's for your 3 email address only - but that doesn't bother me, as I just forward all my normal emails to my 3 address, and voila! (another bonus is, any email sent with an "urgent" flag also gets an sms notification sent to you)
dont know if this is right place to ask but, on http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatcher?menuid=plans_webnwalk says:
...Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile
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do they mean msn,icq etc? if yes i'll cancel my order and tell them stick it to somewhere
Yes, I beleive that is exactly right, MSN, ICQ etc etc are not allowed at the moment. Under my terms and conditions it says this is to provide a decent experience for other users.
I beleive its purpose is to make people use the sms and voice features of t-mobile, rather than the mainly free use of internet services instead. It is after all there intention to make money on you as a customer.
I *think* they also frown on using your device as a modem for your laptop or pc. Tho i may be wrong on that as they sell the laptop web'n'walk card, but thats on there PRO service.
how much data can a chat consume anyway, 500kb an hr? at most! bad thing is they might just close msn or icq ports on their network and thats it
i dont use to much of it but i wouldn;t like to be prevented from being able to use it
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :evil: :x :roll: :shock:
Do they actually enforce it now?
From that, it looks like that is only on Web n' Walk Pro not the standard
from:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/Dispatche...RL=valuemobiles.at/OSD&P36=43XTB9&CID=0&CTY=8
Web ‘n’ Walk Professional is subject to a minimum term contract and credit check. Compatible handset or device required. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data use (both sent and received) of up to 2GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed this volume of data in two (or more) consecutive months in any six month period to ask them to reduce their usage. If usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied which will result in a reduced speed of transmission. Use of Voice over Internet Protocol and Messaging over Internet Protocol is prohibited by T-Mobile. If use of either or both of these services is detected T-Mobile may terminate all contracts with the customer and disconnect any SIM cards and/or web ‘n’ walk cards from the T-Mobile network.
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I got My TM vario II this morning.
Fired up w&W then MSM and it works. I await the email telling me to stop.
I the meantime I'm usin it
seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..
mattie01 said:
seems strange they would ship the device with msn instaled if they didn't want you to use it...
maybe they are just reffering to skype and the such but got there terminogloy wrong...
best thing to do i would say is call them up and ask...
worst they can say is no your not allowed..
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I think there may be a couple of reasons
1) By letting people use msn or skype you avoid using the networks features. The features t-mobile make money on and are in business for.
2) To see how the network performs with so many people on web'n'walk and payg users also having free access.
Maybe if they think there network is coping well with so many users they may remove this from there terms and conditions.
While breaking the t&c they can cancel your account, your more likely to get a letter asking you to stop it, and only if your causing a problem to other users or congestion to a cell tower.
I'm fairly certain that web'n'walk pro is the service used by laptop data cards, they have probably enabled restrictions here to stop heavy usage by laptops, I think the normal mobile services will be safe!
MSN on WnW
In my many calls to T-mobile customer services I have never hidden the fact that I wanted to connect to messenger, and I have never been informed that I cant.
My usage never goes over 2gb, so there is no need for them to look into my account in any depth, nor are there any means of definitively knowing if I am using Messenger anyway!
If you wish you can add the web n walk PRO bolt-on to your account for 9 pounds as opposed to 7.50 for the standard bolt-on. Though all it does is give you peace of mind if you wish to use you phone as a modem, and free access to T-mobile Hotspots.
There is no advantage to upgrading to pro in terms of network speed/usage allowance.
I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.
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I have been using messenger since april with my web n walk bolt on and have had no issues whatsoever, so read into that what you will.
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and just to back up what he said, ive been doing the same since april too!
they dont want you to use any IM not because of traffic, but because of lost revenue.
1 sms is around 10p.
1 sms is 160 bytes max.
1 megabyte is 1'048'576 bytes.
i.e. 1 megabyte carries more than 6500 sms
so: for transporting 1 megabyte of data, an operator has revenues of more than £650
imagine how terrified they are of you overloading their network (i.e. their megabyte trnasport facility if you will) and only give them a miserly £8 every month for it.
basically it is a disaster for them if you do more IM and less sms. Hence the T&C's that say they can boot you from their net if you do that (i dont think they will, but their contract gives them option should they choose).
they are living in never never land if they think they can sustain this for any period of time.
well not sure about msgr but real media streaming banned by t-mobile
OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
This is a big shortfall in my opinion. It doesn't even allow messenger to run even when the radio is turned off and you have USB or wifi connection!
hence the blocking might not be on the 'T-mobile network' but within the registry of the device!
Anyone got any workarounds/ideas on overcoming this?
BTW: Skype™ for Pocket PC works fine!
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OK just to clear this matter up.
The MDA VarioII Does NOT support MSN messenger or windows Live Messenger on T-mobile web n walk.
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but others above have posted it does work on there vario 2s?
maybe somethings not installed / set up correctly on your device?
only have a vario 1 myself but on t- mobile and have been using the msm features since 1st april when web and walk £7.50 option became available
I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.
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I have got an MDA Vario II which I purchased direct from T-Mobile via their Website a couple of weeks back on one of their Web'n'Walk tarriffs. MS Messenger was pre-installed on it and I have had no problems logging on and chatting. Surely if they don't want you to use Messenger, they wouldn't include it in the software bundle.
I don't see any problem using it as long as I use it fairly and make sure I don't exceed their fair use limits.
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Not only was it installed on my Vario II, the t-mobile customized manual actually tells you how to set it up. I did query this on a number of occasions and the responce I got was always the same, IMing is not allowed on either web'n'walk or web'n'walk pro.
I have a T-Mobile MDA Vario II, which came pre-installed with Mobile messenger. I installed live messenger mobile, and it worked fine, as it did on my MDA Pro until Microsoft threw a spanner in the works. Messenger is NOT blocked on the Vario II - that is total Bo***cks.
We are all suffering the same problem. I just hope hey bring out the new CAB soon because Agile is just soooooo rubbish in comparison.
I'm waiting with baited breath.
Which programs run?
Hi guys,
sorry for reactivating this old thread. However, I was just wondering if some of the T-Mob UK WnW users could tell me which communication programs they can use without trouble. I experience the following situation:
1.) Live Messenger runs without any problem
2.) Can't get ICQ to work
3.) Skype is possible, though text chat with Skype is not
4.) Couldn't get Fring to work
Can someone please confirm these? Additionally, I'd like to hear whether or not someone managed to use VoIP with the standard WnW bolt on.
N.B.: Don't want to stirr up the "legal" discussion, just want to talk about the technical aspects...
Cheers,
MilchCow
Had a good look here and was wondering if anyone has managed a to get a good deal on Touch HD on T Mobile in the UK by upgrading.
My current contract ends in a week, and have a Kaiser at the mo, all that appears to be on the TMob site is the G1 and I dont fancy that!
Would be prepared to use another operator if necessary.
Thanks
After looking around for many weeks, this is easily the best deal I could find anywhere... and you can also add on the 500MB of internet access a month for £5. Unfortunately you have to deal with phones4u...
http://www.phones4u.co.uk/shop/shop_contract_details.asp?ItemKey=233801&MPItemKey=250428&NetKey=4
It works out at £25 a month, with the phone free (+ you get the 8GB memory card)
I got the phone last week on t-mobile from mobilephonesdirect.co.uk. It's £35 a month on an 18 month contract with 700 mins, unlimited text, unlimited data and the phone for free.
AND! Mobilephonesdirect.co.uk supply the phone already unlocked and unbranded!
AND, it also arrives the next day, unlike some suppliers
Just had a look at http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p3185.aspx
I am currently with T-Mobile on a Flext contract paying £25 per month which includes unlimited web browsing. My contract is up in 2 weeks and I currently have an Omnia but was thinking of going for the HD and maybe sell it on if I didn't think it was any better.
I am a bit confused, T-Mobile don't have the Touch HD on their own website (they only have the Diamond & Touch Pro). How does it work that another website can sell phones using their contracts.
If I bought from mobilephonesdirect.co.uk could I just do an upgrade through them rather than T-Mobile. The Combi 30 offer looks nice (£35 incl web browsing) however it asks you to phone 0845 470 4000 for latest Upgrade price. Is this liable to cost me more or less and if so what is the reason?
If an upgrade price costs more, what options do I have. Ideally I'd like to stay with T-Mobile but I will go to another network if the price is right. Ideally I want to pay as little as possible for the phone but require unlimited data/web browsing.
Please help
T-Mobile don't have the Touch HD on their website because Orange have the network-exclusive supply deal with HTC for the UK.
However, that doesn't mean that the HD is incompatible with T-Mobile, so third-party suppliers such as Phones4U, CPW or the sites linked-to in this thread are able to sell the phones on whatever contract they want, so long as they can agree a price with the network.
Cheers, was looking to buy this on O2 as I thought that was the best deal...currently using Kaiser on T-Mobile and my 18 month contract is up. Just bought a spanking new Touch HD from http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/...447/p3185.aspx thanks!!!
I really wanted the HD on T-Mobile too, so I got a Vario 4 (Touch Pro) and sold it on eBay for £450, used the money to buy a HD and now I'm happily using it on T-Mobile.
but does T-Mobile not restrict you so that you cannot use your phone as a modem , cannot use skype and cannot use IM (msn yahoo gtalk etc)
i just read it here http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/#Combiwebnwalk
"You'll need a compatible phone and internet coverage. Remember that you can only use web'n'walk in the UK and you can't use your phone as a modem or use web'n'walk for peer to peer file sharing, instant messaging (except if you have a Sidekick) or making internet phone calls." Tmobile website
Not really...I've used as a modem now and again, used MSN and now I've got Android on my Kaiser, I've tried Meebo too. Connected to Skype too, not actually tried a call yet. Never had a warning or anything either. Guess if you were abusing the amount of data then maybe they could tell?
I use my HD as a modem with web'n'walk basic, works well no problem. You can try using MSN I'm testing it out now and it seems to be working dispite T-Mobile stopping it when used as a modem or when used on other phones.
Best deal I could find was the mobilephonesdirect one. Only problem I've had with T-mobile is that their web proxy blocks some ports (like the one I'm using for webguide from my HTPC). Easily solved by removing the use of the proxy altogether.
For information: The proxy settings are under "Settings" -> "Connections" tab -> "Connections" -> "T-Mobile Internet", "Manage existing connections" -> "Proxy Settings" tab. Untick the option "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet".
I'd guess that not going via the proxy may increase overall data usage, but my first bill hasn't shown any anomalies.
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Best deal I could find was the mobilephonesdirect one. Only problem I've had with T-mobile is that their web proxy blocks some ports (like the one I'm using for webguide from my HTPC). Easily solved by removing the use of the proxy altogether.
For information: The proxy settings are under "Settings" -> "Connections" tab -> "Connections" -> "T-Mobile Internet", "Manage existing connections" -> "Proxy Settings" tab. Untick the option "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet".
I'd guess that not going via the proxy may increase overall data usage, but my first bill hasn't shown any anomalies.
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I've been doing this for the last 18 months on my TYTN II, as I had some connection issues, but never had any problems once removing the proxy.
I ordered yesterday morning, and it got delivered this morning at 9am! Excellent service especially on Saturday! Just that I was at f'ing work all day and now I can't get it till Monday now!! Arrggh!
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but does T-Mobile not restrict you so that you cannot use your phone as a modem , cannot use skype and cannot use IM (msn yahoo gtalk etc)
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If you read the terms and conditions of any of the web bundles offered by any of the networks, none of them include tethering usage.
True enough, a lot of people get away with it but if they work out that's what you're doing, they will charge you.
T-Mobile and Three also offer tethering bolt-ons which are specifically for using the phone as a modem.
As far as I know, with any of the other networks, your only option is to buy a separate USB modem/dongle.
Check out Expansys. If you dont see the plan you want just give them a call. Paid £334 for my HD sim free in December on TMobile Combi 15 +W&W. Tariff comes in at about £22 per month.
Obviously the lower the tariff the higher the cost of the handset.
Step666 said:
True enough, a lot of people get away with it but if they work out that's what you're doing, they will charge you.
T-Mobile and Three also offer tethering bolt-ons which are specifically for using the phone as a modem.
As far as I know, with any of the other networks, your only option is to buy a separate USB modem/dongle.
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Not quite, the literature says they will not charge but will restrict their service until you upgrade or reduce traffic. But if you take it easy you should be OK. For TMobile an extra £5 permits tethering an increases the allowance to 3GB.
I got mine on an Orange contract, via Lingsmobiles don;t forget free internet with a 10gb allowance (worth a tenner a month)
Hi,
Got my HD2 couple weeks ago, sim free. Now trying to go through the networks to see which has best connection for my area. Started with 3, now just brought a o2 payg sim with web bolt on. But when I try to go online it tells me cannot connect. This is my first wm phone, blowing hot and cold at the mo, sometimes so fustrating but at times blows me away with the way it can be tweaked.
Thanks for any help
damn you O2
Same here guys..any experience on this?
I've got a monthly O2 contract, and I've not had any problems, so I doubt it's a network issue. It would be worth getting in touch with them to be sure, but check the following...
Go to the settings tab and do Menu, All Settings, Connections, Connections, Set up my proxy server, and check that "this network uses a proxy blah blah.." is unticked.
If it is, give O2 a call and tell them you're having problems.
A few years I was on O2 Pay & Go, and the internet access I could get through that was very limited - just WAP and i-mode rubbish...
You need a data bolt on (if there is one)
O2 contract works fine in a ppc..PAYG don't get data. Data and web are 2 different things sadly, one of the reasons I left O2
PLz c this, help urself~
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5004177
Thanks for that. Working now, going add web bolt on now.