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WM 2003 4.00.01 and GPRS

Hi,
Maybe its an odd question.....
When I press send&receive on my inbox my XDA connects via GPRS to the internet.
So good so far. Then Pocket outlook has finished, it does not disconnect.
Is there a setting, which I missed, or is it a bug?
Please help.
regards,
Silver

Hey Silver,
check this posting
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1822
for now and you could find and anwser. Its considered as a bug for the time being and there is a temp. solution for it.
:wink:

Thanks ARZLEB,
I looked on http://www.pocketpcfreewares.com
for spb gprs traffic monitor but I didn't find it. Do you know where I can get it from?
regards,
Silver

Send me a private msg here with your email and i will email it to you later on today its not a big file...

@all:
why is it concerned to be a bug.... i don't see it that way. GPRS is imho an "always on" technology. why should one want to disconnect it.
imho wm2003 uses more of that "push" technology that pushes emails ect from the serve to your pocketpc as soon as they arrive. that for the device has to be connected all the time.....
or maybe i'm totally wrong ) could be as well of course *g*
servus ize|man

Well simply because GPRS always on = battery concemption = less talk time.
Also sometimes GPRS always could make u miss a call... if there is any data activity and someone calls u at this moment it will sound like ur phone is either busy or OFF.
So i think u should have the ability to d/c ure GPRS session anytime u want!

@arzleb
aehmmm. are you sure you are right?
imho grps on is made possbile with the same mechanism that makes your gsm connected. so there should be no higher power drain. but i can't test that. it's just what i heard.
and you DEFINETLY get no "engaged" on the other side when you call a pocketpc that has a grps running grps connection. i just tested that again. gprs gets suspended when a call comes in. that's all. (i was d'ling a file when i called myself on the phone - it took some seconds more to get the call through though)
servus ize|man

Yeah i agree all that is true but u didnt take into consideration some of the Operator settings.
Here my operator settings for GPRS is that the party calling me while i am downloading a file gets an engaged or sometimes OFF tone.
What ure telling is the way it should be ... but its not the case everywhere!
:?

I think GPRS "Always-On" is how the device was intended to be & finally is almost 2years later! :evil:
To further illustrate GPRS has a ALWAYS been advertised as an "Always-On" service from it's conception. In addition almost all Mobile Phones implimenting GPRS technology have had this "Always-On" connectivity behavior from the beginning. It is simply an embarrassment to Microsoft that this standard function available on Mobile Terminals for over a year of the release of the XDA was finally instituted on this device. So this just appears to be something new to XDA users.
It does not effect your battery life any more than having your radio on.
If data cost is your concern use a CSD dial-up connection for your Inbox operations. There is an option in Inbox to choose which connection to use. The CSD function will act exactly as you are wishing it to. It will only take up to about 2.5 minutes of you talk time. I so far have not noticed a substantial increase in speed during Inbox operation using CSD verse GPRS.
To me I was furious that I had to wait as long as I did for the XDA to act like it's lesser Mobile Phone brothers. Personally the freedom of "Always-On" has changed the way I do business amazingly. The amount of freedom it provides me in giving me an almost "true-real-time" virtual office is incredible.
If data connection is a real tool to you, then you wont be able to live without a dedicated connection. If it is a novelty or cool factor, then you will always be worried about accumulating data costs, but don't worry if data usage is going to be successful for providers they are going to have to re-think their price structures (ala T-Mo unlimited) to eliminate or diminish this concern of customers if they want data services to be adopted by subscribers & simply to justify/recoup their cost to build these data networks. So be patient

if you have a program like messenger running it would have to send some data over GPRS once in awhile not sure how much it would be maybe
it's soo little it dont really matter
but if it's like one MB a week with XDA always on and GPRS always on
it would be pricy
a bit anyway

GPRS always on is a good thing, but at leased in Germany it is still very expensive.
So I like to have a option to switch it off.
GPRS monitor is really a cool tool for getting control over the GPRS costs.
Thanks 2 ARZLEB who pointed me the right direction.
regards
Silver

Silver its my pleasure anytime if i could help dont spare me
As to anwser the above posts about GPRS "always on" be sure that "always on" is used for the devices also that goes into Stand By therefor killing the active connection. Some of the ROMs from o2 and QTEK had this matter solved in the latest upgrades to keep GPRS always ON when device goes into stand by
BUT
What we are discussing here is the ability to d/c when we want! In the QTEK ROM 3.19 the GPRS always on would allow you to stay connected even when the device goes into stand by and also be able to d/c when u want. Also when sending and receiving email the device will connect and d/c as need it.
BUT
this isnt the case in WM2003 where u cant find a d/c button anywhere and that i consider wrong! Also taking into consideration that some countires GPRS is still expensive.
i hope you got my point on this matter - i can assure you its a bug and when talking to someone in the Mobile Division in Microsoft he assured me in an unofficial way that it is a bug...
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Sorry to change topics, but it is regarding GPRS. Does anyone have procedures on how to setup the GPRS connection. I loaded WM2003 4.20.1081 (Build 13100) and it seems to work great except no modem connection is setup.
Please help

What is the access point name for Tmobile?

I use internet2.voicestream.com or you can use wap.voicestream.com .
HTH

O2 3G and GPRS?

Since rebooting my O2 XDA Exec into Corporate mode, I seem to have no GPRS nor 3G setup as neither will connect to send MMS messages - any ideas?

Dude, corporate mode does not install any of your gprs and mms settings.
If you installed this mode to get rid of the dreadful o2 interface, you would be better installing basic mode.
This gets rid of the o2 rubbish but installs your gprs and mms settings.
Fatzzz

If your interested i have made a cab file with just the O2 connections settings app in it. None of the other Active stuff is there. I did try to upload it to tekguru but had problems so i have it on one of my websites here.
http://caravan-smart.co.uk/xda-exec.asp

Ahhhhh nice one dude, very helpful - just got to hope my area has 3G coverage now!!

Nice one - so after a hard reset you install corporate mode from the extended rom, then install your cab in personal and all will be set up? Does that include MMS as well as I had real troubles getting Pocket Outlook to see MMS account once in corporate mode and soft reset.
Will try it and see how it goes!
Nice one dude,
Fin

NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!

No, I was referring to Dingo's cab, when you hard reset you select corporate mode with the code 0506 then run his cab, then as he says on his site, click Personal this time as his cab just contains the Connection settings. Just done it and all seems to be working well - thanks Dingo!!

Thanks for the CAB file, Dingo. Will try it out at the next hard reset.

Not sure if its me, but Hotmail from Pocket MSN seems to be playing up now - can anyone else report the same thing? It keeps freezing when I click on it and Pocket Outlook doesn't see the account.
Fin

Yep I have tried the O2 Exec to Exec video dialling. It was nice to try, but wasn't that great. And I think its now 50p per minute, so won't be doing it again in a hurry. :shock:
Cheers
Nasdaq

No apparently until March its charged at the same price as Voice Calls, also can be part of inclusive minutes for voice calls - after that time it'll be 50p as you say.

My mistake, was told differently by a friend. Still won't use it though, sound was delayed and not very clear. :roll:
Cheers
Nasdaq

Glad you find it of use.
The way i do it if i hard reset is after setting up the screen and the O2 stuff is about to install when you get the 3 second countdown i soft reset. This will give you a vanilla install of WM5 on your Universal and none of the Ext ROM will be installed.
This way though you do not get any of the pathces and fixes etc so i selectivly install them from the XDA Exec Ext ROM posted on the xda-dev ftp site
I then install the settings cab i made to enter my O2 Connection settings.
For the most part as described by others above you will probably be best to use corp mode for your initial setup. Then just choose pesonel when you run the CAB i made.
As far as i am aware you can still use this without a hard reset as it only installs the connections app. I have tested on mine and it was ok but would be interested if it works for others.

ashleyhall said:
NO MATE, I think you'll find its BASIC mode as the chap says - Personal will shove all the O2 crap on there, whereas BASIC just puts the GPRS and 3G settings on - just done it and it works fine!!
HOWEVER when I try to start a 3G video call, it states "The 3G network is not available....", I don't quite get this 3G, do I have one connection that is either GPRS or 3G depending on signal, or are there two connections here, if so, how do I use each?
Anyone on O2 managed to get O2 Video Calling to work to another Exec?
Thanks mate!
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3G coverage is still a bit thin with O2. If you look at the icon next to your phone signal strength it should read either G or U. If it is G then you are on their NON 3G network, if it displays U then you are on thei 3G network.
I am in a week 3G area at home and mine swaps between the 2 every few minutes.

Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!

ashleyhall said:
Ahhhhh interesting...wonder why they chose 'U' for 3G..doesn't quite compute!
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'U' stands for UTMS, which is the system that we call 3G (or 3rd Generation). The 'G' stands for GSM, which is the 2nd generation networks we've all enjoyed using for the last 15 years.
ashleyhall said:
Looking forward to playing with 3G at some stage in the future then!
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I thought it might be fun too, but the truth is that I know hardly anybody with a video phone, and considering how unreliable the 3G coverage is around where I live (Sussex) it's unlikely to be much use anyway. The whole 3G premise is based on a gimmick IMHO rather than a genuine consumer need. Sure, the data rates are faster and in time this will be a good driver for the technology, but then they charge us a fcuking fortune to use it, so only a handful of people bother. Madness.

Video calling works across networks. I have found many of my relatives have 3 3G mobile phones and are able to receive video calls from me (as on Vodafone video calls are free for a short period and on O2 the rate is the same as voice calls). O2 and Vodafone UMTS download speeds are good (coverage in London is resonable and in Berkshire).

not working
have tried this - I cant connect at all - after hard reseting in corporate then running this cab and setting to personal - it tries to dial mobile web but says it cant connect for an unknown reason - any ideas

Vanilla
works ok on vanilla install - it seems since this thread was started ON hav changed some thing but this cab has no problems after vanilla installl only after corporate - I am gonna run the bug fixing cabs etc in the ext rom manually !!!

My GPRS still aint configured correctly - it connects fine but I get no internet access, its as if the proxy is configured wrong?
Is there a cab that puts the correct 3G and GPRS settings onto my phone without any user configuration required? (and without mucking up my system).

Softbank X01HT on t-mobile GPRS setttings

Hi,
I have tried for over a month now to get my Softbank X01HT(same as HTC TyTn and tmo MDA?) to work with the t-mobile usa gprs with no luck. I have contacted t-mobile and spent over two hours on the phone with them trying different things to get it to work. I would like to know if anyone out there has gotten this to work and if so please share with me how? Also, is there something preventing the phone from accepting a connection from t-mobile? The phone was purchased unlocked. I am using the HTC TyTn ROM on this phone.
Thanks in advance,

Mine works fine
Hi Braheem,
I have a softbank x01ht and have it connected to the tmobile network here in cali. When I first got it i just dropped my sim card in it and input the network settings from tmobile and I was on surfing the web with no problems. Three days later I couldn't connect. I allowed this to go on for three days and I finally called t-mobile. The first lady I talked to in tech support said everything was fine and nothing was wrong with my account. Then she asked if I wanted to go to pda support so I said sure why not. I just told them that my phone was the same as the mda II and she informed me that what had happened was I was on the 5.99 internet plan and they had a script run through and disconnect ppl that were using that plan with pda's. Only thing I think is maybe seeing ppl with high internet usage and then disabiling it? She said if I sign up with the pda plan for 29.99 then I would be able to get on in 24 hours. 12 min later i was up and surfing the web again and it has been that way for over a week. She said to get to pda support just say pda at the voice menu. Anyway hope this helps. If you need network settings they are on the t-mobile site, but i can help you out more if you aren't sure what to put or where to put them.
DocGSXR

I have an x01ht with the 19.99 blackberry plan in california, usa. Mine has been working all the time. all you have to do is on your "my-tmobile" change your phone to any blackberry and get the 19.99 add-on internet plan and allow 5 to 10 minutes for the plan to activate, on your htc go to start>settings>connections>Connections click on add a new modem connection
and fill everything out:
Enter a name for the connection: whatever you want
Select a modem: cellular GPRS, 3G
Access Point Name: wap.voicestream.com
leave user name, password and domain empty and click finish
Now from here you can have internet but its going to take a while the first time you try to access it. Open PIE (Pocket Internet Explorer), you will see a pop-up notification when the gprs/edge is connecting. load any website. I suggest using google.com to make the load faster. Its going to take around 2 to 3 minutes for the page to load completely.
Now here is something nobody else has done in this forum, something new and fresh. You want faster internet? Here is what you have to do:
First, download and install a registry editor (I personally use PHM RegEdit)
Open it and go to HKEY_CURRENT-USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings
now look for "ProxyEnable" click on it and make sure the value data is set to 1 (it will enable proxy to work on PIE), if it doesn't exist (which i doubt) create it, to do that go to edit>New DWORD and fill it out like this:
Value name: ProxyEnable
Value Data: 1
Base: Decimal
click ok.
Now create a string value with the name "ProxyServer", to do that go to edit>new string value and fill it out like this:
Value name: ProxyServer
Value Data: 216.155.165.050:8080
click ok.
Now restart the device and run PIE, you will clearly notice how the pages load faster.
The reason I know this is because I am a network professional, I will not explain in detail why this settings make the internet faster but ill try to make it as clear as possible:
You can get the 5.99 t-mobileweb that will allow you to ONLY use the PIE. You will not be able to use e-mail, stream media or use im clients because the ports are blocked.
The blackberry add-on plan will allow you to do everything possible with internet on your device but they internet speed is slower.
Both plans use the same servers but the ports make the difference in speed, so to take advantage of the best qualities from both plans I added the proxies for exclusive use of the PIE in the registry (since there are no settings in the PIE software to configure the proxies).
I hope it helps you. Please forgive my weird english i'm Colombian. if you need further help feel free to PM me.
I am new to windows mobile devices but I can be of help with things related to networking.

How about on AT&T's 3G network?
Interesting posting. But would your suggested ProxyServer value be good also for AT&T 3G network? Actually, I am trying to use my Softbank X01HT(Hermes200) with a non-AT&T ROM to access its Media Net (with a Media Max bundle plan), but don't know the proper settings.
All I saw so far were postings for Cingular (AT&T) 8525 which is officially supported by AT&T and perhaps >95% similar to X01HT in hardware. But I suspect the ROMs for these two phones are different, so the settings should be different too. Is it true? Can you help? Thanks.

GSM/CDMA as REAL dial up modem, asin to earthlink/aol

ive been reading and it sounds like this is somehow doable. i've been trying to figure it out for YEARS, but to no luck. ive got htc hermes, blueangel, wallaby, motorazr, you name the phone i can get it.
how can i set this up. ive tried to dialup network over bluetooth and dial the phonenumber of hte isp, but i get PHONE IS BUSY.
help me guys, please=
i cant add data to my plan, this is my only shot at internet on my phone.

You and I just keep runnin into each other....
Who is your carrier and/or why can't you add data?
I had, at one point been q class w/tmobile, and wasn't allowed to add any data plan(s) so I had to connect to some internet provider over gsm cellular connection. this is, to the best of my knowledge, how I did it.
Go to settings, connections, connections, manage connectins, and add new.
Name it and select "cellular line" (not gprs).
Next, input the phone number your dial up provider uses (i'm not sure about 1's or +1's or whatever)
Next enter your username and password for your provider (most dial up's don't use a domain, so leave that blank).
Next, finish, and select it under "manage connections" so it is the default (this will screw up your messaging) and test it out. You may want to use autopick or leave the existing default connection as the default connection, and just click the g icon, and select another connection to connect to the net at that particular time, to maintain your ability to text.
You can expect a slow, fax machine like connection.
I have tmo now, and an sx66 (no 3g or edge) so I got the web2go for 9.99 (for normal phones) and set my access point to internet2.voicestream.com, with no proxy, or username/pass, and I get about dial up -ish speeds. I do have an issue with mms, and am working that out now.

irlol. we're the only two people in the BA forum nowdays, id say we're going to get to know each other realgood. its slightly funny that ive been searching for these instructions for 4years and you're the ONLY person ive found whos done it, so thank you verymuch.
as for carrier, im on att blue. original ATT before cingular bought it and then before cingular changed its name to att. im completely grandfathered in, they refuse to let me modify any of my addons. so i get charged up the ass for data.

alright i set it up. adding the + to the number made it dial longer, buit it sttill screams THERE IS NO MODEM AT THIUS NUMBER.
when i know damnwellt here is. this sux. -_-

i use same method with carrier Claro Dom, with my excalibur. on hermes and any umts phone u must disable it umts/3g first. i have used it with wizard perfectly.btw at&t had this service, using a home dialup account. if the number dialed is free of charge then u get free internet we call Dial-slow, as said already at fax speed which i havent seen over 9600 kbps.

i tried it on the blueangel as well, it didnt work. and its a standard gprs/gsm phone. no edge or 3g.
why can you all get it working and i can, what hte hell am i missing lmfao

ive been trying to get this to work for years i currently just got a Sprint Touch Pro 2 and i am going to Asia for a month. While their im goign to use the GSM portion of my phone.. etc and i would like to still get emails and use the itnernet..
i know the speeds will be ubeeer slow.. but if i put in as said earlier in this forum something from a dial up ISP, i should only get charged VOICe minutes and not data KB?
that would be AWESOME!!!!

What's causing internet connections while roaming?

Hi folks,
Just back from my first holiday in France with my HD2 and, despite setting weather, Facebook, Twitter and email not to automatically download while roaming, something seemed to be establishing a GPRS/EDGE connection occasionally.
Any suggestions on what this could be or how to identify it?
Thanks,
Kris

stocks? weather? time sync?

If you dont want to have any data charges then I strongly recomend NoDatainRoaming by Dynamic+. It automatically switches off data connection (same as modoco no data) when you leave your home area but when you get back to your home area it turns it back on. No more forgeting to turn it off.

irishkris said:
Hi folks,
Just back from my first holiday in France with my HD2 and, despite setting weather, Facebook, Twitter and email not to automatically download while roaming, something seemed to be establishing a GPRS/EDGE connection occasionally.
Any suggestions on what this could be or how to identify it?
Thanks,
Kris
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Same here .
i just returned from the USA .
before i walked on the plane i turned off all data connections .
i turned on my phone to take some pictures with it while in the USA . came home to find out i have about 120$ of fee's .
:/

you guys are lucky
I took a trip up to Gunma prefecture in Japan for new year. I came back to Taiwan and I had 800 us dollars phone charge... I didn't even take pictures with the phone I just brought it with me!

Had a similar issue in Greece. Footprints and google maps both seem to automatically start the data connection when they start. I have a feeling that the compass may do as well. Could be something to do with quick GPS trying to download updates?
I've been using modoco no data to good effect. May give NoDatainRoaming a go if it's automatic

same thing on mu dubai trip.. .These connections turn on automatically .

NoData works for me, just configure before you power down the phone to fly

RSS Reader has no Roaming setting so if you've got it on AUTO, best switch that off.

A quick search would certainly have brought the answer to all of you!
Don't be lazy!
Anyway, here's the solution: Go to "All Settings" --> Connections --> Connections --> Advanced --> Select Networks
There, simply select "My Work Network" everywhere.
With that setting, your phone is only allowed to use WiFi. There's no need for third party tools or anything, it's that simple.

My Location?
I think it is more important to find out what is making data connection and how to disable it, rather than using nodata to suppress everything. What if you really need to use HSPA/GRPS during roaming? You need to know how to enable data connection and do your thing without the HD2 automatically doing a lot of other data traffic in the background.

Alex,
That's exactly my concern - I'd like to be able to use the net knowing the HD2 isn't going to pull down a load of other stuff as well.
The weather tab is set not to connect while roaming, stocks are the same and RSS is configured not to automatically update at all.
The only two other things people mentioned are time sync and my location - how can I tell if those are connecting while roaming.
Kris

does anyone know how my location actually works?... cell broadcasting, gps, or how?... i set up the send no location info in settings and automaticly decline htc location service and the phone still knows were i am....

irishkris said:
The only two other things people mentioned are time sync and my location - how can I tell if those are connecting while roaming.
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I have no idea HD2 is doing timesync, or how I can disable it. As for my location, disable it in the Settings tab.
ccezar2004 said:
does anyone know how my location actually works?... cell broadcasting, gps, or how?... i set up the send no location info in settings and automaticly decline htc location service and the phone still knows were i am....
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I believe phone gets cell tower ID via normal handshake operation. Then it asks Google to translate it to a city name. It is the second part that consumes internet data traffic.
There is yet another possibility of hidden data traffic. I think HD2 has AGPS, but there is not interface to enable/disable it. Similar to My Location, AGPS translates cell tower ID to location, and triangulates to pin point where you are. Much quicker than GPS, but not as precise. If it is so, then it explains why taking pictures leads to data traffic.