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Pocket PC Edition 2003

Will I be able to upgrade XDA's 2002 Version to 2003 when it's released in the next months ? :?:

No, at least not likely. Rumour has it that the new OS requires more than 32Mb of ROM. That is why the iPaq 3970 and 5450 (and a few others) carry 48Mb ROM.

Would we not be able to do a limited upgrade AKA the 3630 ipaq upgrade to 2002 and maybe add a few apps into ram ??
I hope so.

maybe also we can increase ROM size? does hardware supports this? As I know, RAM upgradeable on all MDAs/XDAs to 64Mb (and maybe more? I seen info but don't know how)
So if we'll got 48 or 64 of flash rom we can upgrade. But what 2003 system is will be? Can you give some infos about it?

Pocket PC 2003, codename Ozone, will primarily be a bug-fix release for Pocket PC 2002 with few enhancements. Users should not expect big changes.

Well i agree you may not notice many deffrence or changes but i was assured from people at Microsoft that majore changes within the OS will take place. I am not sure if they will ever be able the fix the bugs GOD knows each day we discover tonnes...
Anyways we should wait and see
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Why wouldn't it be possible to upgrade?
The amount of build-in ROM shouldnt be that much of a problem. Since PPC 2003 PE mainly features bugfixes that total size of the OS shouldn't have increased that much. Else it would be possible to install some application is RAM like they did for the iPAQ 36xx.
The only real reason I can think of is the lack of support from O2 and the other telco's that sell these devices.
Keep hoping!
Kamil

I think it is very possible to see XDA can upgrade to PPC 2003 phone edition, however the upgrade may not be free. I look forword to upgrade my T-Mobile MDA with a PPC 2003 O2 English ROM :twisted: .

Pocket PC 2003 Phone Edition

More About Pocket PC 2003
Microsoft recently gave developers an overview of the next version of its Pocket PC operating system. Codename Ozone, this will primarily be a bug-fix release for Pocket PC 2002 with a few enhancements.
Developers will have access to new tools to allow them to build applications that take fuller advantage of the XScale processors found in most of today's handhelds. However, these applications will not run under Pocket PC 2002. Of course, the reverse is not true, as Pocket PC 2003 will retain backward compatibility.
Microsoft has decided to postpone adding other new features, such as voiced control, until a .NET version of Pocket PC is completed -- expected in two to three years.

it will be possible to upgrade the 3870 too ...and it has the same amount of rom ...if i'm not wrong ...

Er... according to Microsoft sources, pocket PC 2003 phone edition runs on Windows CE 4.2 - this is more than a bug fix release!

2003
does anyone have a copy of the BETA version floating around?

IT works fine
I have hacked to HTC phone, parts are SX56 and parts are XDA, but I am running 2003 fine on it right now. There seems to be all sorts of little things, and some of the skins are much prettier, but other than that I don't notice anything huge.

Yeah, I am running Palm OS 6 in my reconstruted XDA with 256M ram and Amd Opteron processor too. It is extermely fast, as fast as my Desktop computer.

hehe :lol:

killercheung said:
Yeah, I am running Palm OS 6 in my reconstruted XDA with 256M ram and Amd Opteron processor too. It is extermely fast, as fast as my Desktop computer.
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Thats not rue, ist it?
WOuöd br the best solution

Sorry, my BT-Desktop´s Battery was empty :shock:

YESSSS!!!
xda with PocketPC2003 is a reality! At least one such device was received by local pda-related software company for review. I have no details about current devices upgrade availability, though.
The only fact is: PocketPC2003 for xda exists and should be pre-installed to new devices after OS will be presented by Microsoft.

I have it on good authority that it is feasible to put PC2003 onto Xda, however this will only happen for evaluation purposes and is unlikely to be available as a general upgrade.

Win CE 5 is it out ???

Hello,
i've read it in web page but can't recall where that win ce 5 is out!?
If yes where can we get it from ?? How can i upgrade my i-mate PDA2k from win2003 se to ce 5??
thanks

windows on pda's is very very unlike windows on pc's
a rom requires to be 100% made for the spc device
so you cant get it ever! unless HTC makes a basic rom and
hand it over to the operators like o2 orange and.....
and about if it's out then i've not come across any pda's with it yet

I have seen a lot of reports, comparisons and evaluations of CE5.
BSquare seem of have CE5 ROMS avcailable for their products :
http://www.bsquare.com/products/bsp/amd_download.asp
Actually, it looks as though CE5(Macallan) was realeasd in July 2004.
You can get a device emulator for it here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...12-CA31-4BE9-A3BF-B9BF4F64CE72&displaylang=en
and an evaluation version of platform builder to create os images for the emulator from here :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/getstart/evaluate/default.aspx

HP offers upgrade to WM 5.0 on hx2000 series

HP is pleased to announce that we will be supporting the Microsoft® Windows Mobile™ Version 5.0 for Pocket PC upgrade for the HP iPAQ Pocket PC.
HP will provide upgrades for the HP iPAQ hx4700, hx2000 series iPAQ Pocket PC.
The new Microsoft Windows Mobile Version 5.0 includes:
* ActiveSync 4.0, the most current synchronization software for faster management and transfer of information on your PC server
* Improved Productivity
* Faster access to email and information
* New Office Mobile Suite
* Word Mobile for great document format support
* Excel Mobile for better support when viewing and creating charts
* PowerPoint Mobile for viewing and giving presentation on the go
* Secure Device Management
* Integrated Multimedia (Windows Media Player 10)
* More support for media via services and the desktop
* More options to use media to personalize devices
* Persistent Store
* Voice Command, which allows you to go hands free easily and safely
* Pocket MSN, which permits one click access to MSN Hotmail and MSN Messenger
* Games
This offer will be made available in late Summer 2005.
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Now, they include the hx2000 series, but the hx2110 has got the same amount of RAM that the Magician has. Am I missing something or does this mean that WM 5.0 theoretically would run on a Magician?

Yes nothing to stop it running techinically but it's just getting hold of the right 'flavour' of it for the magician (perhaps the HP one will be close?).
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.

dangel said:
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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If I'd be one of those content guys I'd still be running Windows 3.1 on my computer. I always want to try new stuff and half of my software on my Magician are betas.
I also guess that the version you used was a beta and thus not much worked.

dangel said:
Yes nothing to stop it running techinically but it's just getting hold of the right 'flavour' of it for the magician (perhaps the HP one will be close?).
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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heh, thats why companies have not released upgrades and new devices yet. They need to properly deploy it to each target device so it works* as its supposed to

I have O2 mini. But looks like O2 support is worse.
Everyday I go to their seeo2 website just to check whether they have upgrade for my o2 mini, but the website always say "your current one is up to date".
Well, they must have very intelegent software there that they can detect my o2 mini is version 1.11 WWE instead of original 1.03 WWE :lol:
Just my 2 cents
Arto

Loboman said:
dangel said:
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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If I'd be one of those content guys I'd still be running Windows 3.1 on my computer. I always want to try new stuff and half of my software on my Magician are betas.
I also guess that the version you used was a beta and thus not much worked.
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Yes but you _still_ can't run a whole bunch of software right now as it's plain incompatible.. :roll:

dangel said:
Yes but you _still_ can't run a whole bunch of software right now as it's plain incompatible.. :roll:
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Yeah, that much I understand. We'd need a ROM that is compatible with the Magician before we can use it, and there's nothing that points to that it will ever be released, but _if_ it comes, I'll certainly install it since WM5 now is final and not beta anymore

Microsoft Updates for Windows Mobile 5?

Hello World!
Microsoft is serving a bunch of updates for each OS like XP oder Vista to fix problems with security, compatibility and so on. And we know, every shipped OS has bugs!
But for Windows Mobile 5 I can't find any officially Update from Microsoft. So, whats Microsofts update strategy? Are there actually any updates?
Thanks in advance!

Yes.. It's called WM6. That's the curse of imbedded software......very few patches.
Strategy is to deliver a new OS every 18 to drive phone upgrades. This is supported by the primary sales channel... cellular providers. They may offer minor upgrades to fix bugs, but those are available only in branded updates from the cellular company.

WM6 also has Windows Update

Windows Mobile Update on the HD2?

Perhaps I'm being a penis but can you update the HD2 like a desktop edition of windows i.e. vista / 7 on the flyi.e. over 3G/wifi or are any updates only via Sync?

What is this, I don't even

Windows 6.1 had an update option in the start menu, and that used a data connection/wi-fi - whatever was available. I suppose you could download updates and do it via the usb cable. Anyway, if this option still exists in 6.5, I've not seen it anywhere.
This is probably all moot anyway. I don't think Microsoft bother making updates for windows mobile. That's what xda devs is for

Thanks - I guessed there are very few updates for Winmo just an idea

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I don't think Microsoft bother making updates for windows mobile. That's what xda devs is for
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And where would chefs here on xda get those updates if MS didn't make them? Of course they make updates (called Adaptation Kit Upgrades, referred to as AKU usually), they just don't distribute them to end users. There's a big difference between WM and your desktop system, for major updates on your phone you'll usually have to reflash the whole ROM image. And that ROM image is made by the OEM, not Microsoft, and includes tons of OEM software and drivers. This software can even break with a new update, so pushing OS changes directly could cause lots of problems. So the only safe way to have updates would be from the OEM (HTC in our case). Or we can get them unofficially here.
The Windows Update applet in earlier versions of WM had only minor updates such as daylight time database changes and so on, so I guess it was rarely used by anyone.

Thanks for the Info - I get the drift