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What is the benefit for upgrade?

Hi all!
I have a basicaly question, what is the benefit for xdaI upgrade to WM2003? :?:
If I have a way xda SD port upgrade to SD IO support, I really want to use WM2003 and I will enjoy bluetooth/WiFi through SD IO optional product.
Anybody please tell me, Can I cange SD port upgrade to SD IO support? How difficult to do so? How much I have to pay?
Thank you for all

No upgrade to sdio. You can try the upgrade, if you dont like it just restore your original rom.

sdio cant be added to the xda1 at least not using software
maybe if one could find a sdio chip to replace the sd reader chip which have the same connectors and solver it on
and reprogram the whole rom but i doubt it
from 2002 to 2003 on xda1 is little to be gained from imho
sure some programs need 2003 to run
but many programs made for 2002 dont run on 2003
i did the upgrade yesterday

WM2003
Reason's to upgrade:
1) Read this link: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,16788
2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
I just got a iMate XDA2 (400MHz XScale) and I don't notice a performance improvement on the same applications I ran on my 205MHz SA XDA1.
If you do upgrade to TMO ROM4.01.00, RS6.24.01, it will be with an .exe file that upgrades both ROM & RS. Get yourself a SD card reader/writer (~$20) & a spare 64M SD card in case the upgrade screws up, then you use the Wallaby bootloader to do the install via the SD card.
Best of luck

2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
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well unless he use the US gsm system 900/1900 then upgrading to that radio stack would be a very very very bad idea
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
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well there are many many applications which dont! work on wm2003 but does on 2002
i could find many examples of this here is just one before version 1.6 this program did not work on 2003
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/todaysinfo.shtml
and just searching this forum give many results of people finding programs which dont work on 2003
and they having to pay for new versions of programs to get it to run on 2003

Rudegar said:
2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
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well unless he use the US gsm system 900/1900 then upgrading to that radio stack would be a very very very bad idea
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
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well there are many many applications which dont! work on wm2003 but does on 2002
i could find many examples of this here is just one before version 1.6 this program did not work on 2003
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/todaysinfo.shtml
and just searching this forum give many results of people finding programs which dont work on 2003
and they having to pay for new versions of programs to get it to run on 2003
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Understand. I had Lotus EasySync Pro with PPC2002 but did not work with WM2003. Needed an upgrade which they would charge full price. No upgrade policy at Lotus. Screw em. So I went with CommonTime mNotes (Cadenza) for my sync software.
Yes there can be cases, especially with the word "freeware" that could bite you. WM2003 uses the registry completely now whereas PPC2002 didn't use muchof the registry. Apps could install and work without registry entrys. Those app's types probably will bite you.
Thanks for the clarification and feedback.

I have the SX56 and waiting for the hopeful WM2003 official upgrade through Siemens. I don't want to take chances cooking my own ROM.
I've read this thread with interest with regard to the worth of upgrading.
I know there are issues with programs that don't work, and I guess I'll just have to wait and see. I will be eager to use Microsoft voice command.
The last I heard, the latest tentative date for the official Siemens release is supposed to be by Monday, but who knows? (I read this on another forum, so I am not stating this as fact at all!)

Thank you for all reply
I understood I can not change to SD IO suport basicaly
So I have to re-investigate for upgrade to WM2003 now.
I think ROM upgrade is a very risky work for me.
many thanks all of reply again

HP offers upgrade to WM 5.0 on hx2000 series

HP is pleased to announce that we will be supporting the Microsoft® Windows Mobile™ Version 5.0 for Pocket PC upgrade for the HP iPAQ Pocket PC.
HP will provide upgrades for the HP iPAQ hx4700, hx2000 series iPAQ Pocket PC.
The new Microsoft Windows Mobile Version 5.0 includes:
* ActiveSync 4.0, the most current synchronization software for faster management and transfer of information on your PC server
* Improved Productivity
* Faster access to email and information
* New Office Mobile Suite
* Word Mobile for great document format support
* Excel Mobile for better support when viewing and creating charts
* PowerPoint Mobile for viewing and giving presentation on the go
* Secure Device Management
* Integrated Multimedia (Windows Media Player 10)
* More support for media via services and the desktop
* More options to use media to personalize devices
* Persistent Store
* Voice Command, which allows you to go hands free easily and safely
* Pocket MSN, which permits one click access to MSN Hotmail and MSN Messenger
* Games
This offer will be made available in late Summer 2005.
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Now, they include the hx2000 series, but the hx2110 has got the same amount of RAM that the Magician has. Am I missing something or does this mean that WM 5.0 theoretically would run on a Magician?

Yes nothing to stop it running techinically but it's just getting hold of the right 'flavour' of it for the magician (perhaps the HP one will be close?).
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.

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Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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If I'd be one of those content guys I'd still be running Windows 3.1 on my computer. I always want to try new stuff and half of my software on my Magician are betas.
I also guess that the version you used was a beta and thus not much worked.

dangel said:
Yes nothing to stop it running techinically but it's just getting hold of the right 'flavour' of it for the magician (perhaps the HP one will be close?).
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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heh, thats why companies have not released upgrades and new devices yet. They need to properly deploy it to each target device so it works* as its supposed to

I have O2 mini. But looks like O2 support is worse.
Everyday I go to their seeo2 website just to check whether they have upgrade for my o2 mini, but the website always say "your current one is up to date".
Well, they must have very intelegent software there that they can detect my o2 mini is version 1.11 WWE instead of original 1.03 WWE :lol:
Just my 2 cents
Arto

Loboman said:
dangel said:
Be content with WM2003 SE - at least it's stable and all the software works. I had WM2005 on my XDA 2 for about a week, and then went back to WM2003SE as nothing worked properly.
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If I'd be one of those content guys I'd still be running Windows 3.1 on my computer. I always want to try new stuff and half of my software on my Magician are betas.
I also guess that the version you used was a beta and thus not much worked.
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Yes but you _still_ can't run a whole bunch of software right now as it's plain incompatible.. :roll:

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Yes but you _still_ can't run a whole bunch of software right now as it's plain incompatible.. :roll:
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Yeah, that much I understand. We'd need a ROM that is compatible with the Magician before we can use it, and there's nothing that points to that it will ever be released, but _if_ it comes, I'll certainly install it since WM5 now is final and not beta anymore

Vario II (T-Mobile UK) and WM 6.0

Hi all... does anyone know about T-Mobile UK, and if they about to release upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.0?
My current Windows is way too slow, a friend upgraded his same phone with a 6.0 version he found on the net (illegal version I guess) but it looks fantastic, and is way faster than the previous.
Thanks!

I work for TMUK & have checked this (as I have a vario II myself!). There are no plans to release an official WM6 upgrade, the focus is on the new WM6 devices (touch & vario 3).
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

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Hi all... does anyone know about T-Mobile UK, and if they about to release upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.0?
My current Windows is way too slow, a friend upgraded his same phone with a 6.0 version he found on the net (illegal version I guess) but it looks fantastic, and is way faster than the previous.
Thanks!
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there is what appears to be a beta tmobile wm6 rom about (you can find links to it in the Hermes Mobile 6 forum), which is very good indeed. Apparently tmo aren't going to release it though, but tmo uk's whole treatment of htc devices seems to be a bit random anyway, so you never know.

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I went to the T-mobile store (Uk) and asked about the upgrade. He said should be no problem downloading WM6 from Windows website, and should not worry with warranty as Im already over the 12 month warranty period. Ive been everywhere on Microsoft's website, but cant find any download! (???) Besides would that cause probs as the phone is locked to T-Mobile?
Anyone help here, please. Im not an expert (Im bit fed up to how slow WM5 compared having a 400mhz processor!)

you could either look on here for the htc original hermes rom, the t-mobile test rom, they are both for wm6, infact any rom in the hermes forum works superbly.

Sorry to ask stuipid questions, but what bennifits will i see if i upgrade to WM6 from WM5? My hermes seems to be running pretty well with WM5 but maybe im missing something.
Thanks

There's a whole forum for WM6 ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=355 )discussion and tons of info to cover all of the above. If you want to know about the different ROm's pluses, minuses etc read the stickies. Still, why anyone would want a TMo ROM is beyond me, loads of extra stuff you never use and a dial pad in PINK...

wm6, no real difference
i just thought I would add to this thread and say that there arent any real major differences in windows mobile 5 & 6, the email is the only big advantage in that outlook can display html messages but, in good old microsoft design, you have to upgrade the server side of things (ie, exchange 2003 to exchange 2007).
Mail2web (which i use for push email) only uses exchange 2003 so you still get your emails in plain text.
Microsoft did a good job of dressing up windows mobile 6 as something its not but, having said that the hermes and its software beats sloppy nokia's and sony ericssons hands down!

Pocket PC 2003

Anyone tried a Pocket PC 2003 lately? I was just dug my XDA IIs out of the cupboard - runs so bloody fast!! Switch between programs and settings its all instant. Puts the Hermes and WM5/6 to shame.

Dos also fast, but when it comes to function...
And the programs for ppc2003 are also getting fewer everyday.

One important difference between WM2003 and later versions of WM is the type of flash memory used. WM2003 uses NOR flash which allows XIP (execute in place), i.e. it behaves like RAM and programs can be executed directly from it. WM5 and later uses NAND flash, which behaves like a disk, i.e. programs have to be copied into RAM before executing. This copying slows down the OS.

This can't be accurate because WM2003 devices had WM5 upgrades.

indiekiduk said:
This can't be accurate because WM2003 devices had WM5 upgrades.
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Only a few with newer flash technology!

indiekiduk said:
This can't be accurate because WM2003 devices had WM5 upgrades.
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You got me! Sorry, don't believe a word I said in my previous post!

indiekiduk said:
This can't be accurate because WM2003 devices had WM5 upgrades.
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As posters have said above, Certain devices had the flash memory type available to allow a WM5 upgrade (most likely something built in as an upgradeable thing at the time before WM5 was rolled out).
This was something I remember reading about before buying my TyTN.

Office 2003SE on WM 6.0

I note that the office supplied on my old hp hx4700 running WM2003SE has features which have been lost in newer releases.
Word 2003 SE made a very good quick notes tool; I could handwright, draw and draw in different colours. Files saved as word mobile files could be opened on ANY pc in word. This is a huge advantage over windows mobile notes which are confined to the PPC environment.
I realise many other notes programs are available to purchase, but I liked the old word features and can't understand why microsoft dropped them.
How difficult (if at all possible) would it be to package this old word program from my hx4700 in WM2003SE and create a CAB for my 'newer' HTC ATHENA WM6.0?
Any help would be apprechiated. Thankyou.

I'd like this as well