Hi,
I read that it is possible to have MIDI files as alarm sounds so i put a midi file i use on my old SE in the windows directory and when i go to choose the alarm tone i don't see it. is this supported in MDA Compact? what am i doing wrong? please advise. thanks
were did you read this? afaik... you can use midi, wav, mp3, wma for ringtones (via caller id app) windows mobile uses wav and wma for ringtones, but wav only for alerts. hope this helps.
I think it was on the AlarmToday user forum. i thought something was wrong. anyway, thanks for replying, it's a shame that midi cannot be used for alarms i don't think it's a technical or logical impossibility but microsoft works in mysterious ways i suppose. if there's a workaround or a program that would do this i would greately appreciate it if someone could point it out. once again, many thanks
Well, if you have a midi player for pocket pc installed you might be able to pull it off with AlarmToday.
On their site I read:
"Powerful custom alarms to play music (including complete songlists, MP3, WMA, OGG or Realplayer), open documents or applications and much more"
This should in theory make it possible to create an alarm event that starts the midi player software with the midi file of your choice.
Why not convert your midi file to wav it's very simple and then you can use it as an alert?
Do you know the wav file type is so much bigger than the other types of audio?
I sure do realize that but why would you need a whole song for an alert. Change the stereo to mono and 16 bit to 8 bit and trim it down to a length that it needs to be as an alert and it will not be much if any bigger than the midi file.
If you can't live with the shorter version then you should stay with midi because you are right they take up much lesss room, but I myself don't want a whole song played for an alert. The longest one I would ever use would be 2 seconds then let it repeat again for each alert.
If you use this procedure you can have many wav files as alerts.
I've had a recording studio here in Nashville TN since the early 80's and over the years I found out that if you will bend a little there is always a way to get what you want. Let me know if you need any help with turncating your wav files
Thanks for your thoughts
stratguy said:
I sure do realize that but why would you need a whole song for an alert. Change the stereo to mono and 16 bit to 8 bit and trim it down to a length that it needs to be as an alert and it will not be much if any bigger than the midi file.
If you can't live with the shorter version then you should stay with midi because you are right they take up much lesss room, but I myself don't want a whole song played for an alert. The longest one I would ever use would be 2 seconds then let it repeat again for each alert.
If you use this procedure you can have many wav files as alerts.
I've had a recording studio here in Nashville TN since the early 80's and over the years I found out that if you will bend a little there is always a way to get what you want. Let me know if you need any help with turncating your wav files
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I still use a SE P800 smartphone and what you just wrote is what I had to do. WAV files are big but with a bit of creativity in making an alert or ringtones it is just to easy. " Ask and you shall receive"
X-man germ
Cool by the way where did you get that last part of your handle "germ" are you a musician:?:
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Cool by the way where did you get that last part of your handle "germ" are you a musician:?:
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No, I am not a musician. My username is just a nick name from my first name and the germ part is only short for Germany.
Cool thanks, germ is a term we use in the music biz. Thats why I wonered :lol:
Maybe my music taste in "Rage against the Machine" which leads left can explain why I choose my name. Power to the People.
Wat Software do U use to do this? I am looking for a software that can transform anything in everything (mp3, wav) from original CD's. and cut them in small durations. I don't find that...
I use CDex, which BTW is a free program. I love it
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I'm having difficulty getting up in the morning! Does anyone know of a good alarm tool for the xda. The one that comes with it never seems to work/wake me up. The functionality is rubbish .
I have no problems whatsoever...
Be sure you checked the checkbox next to the desired alarm, and you selected the appropriate days the alarm will sound
-edit- Oh, and try a decent WAV file, I prefer the "Good Morning Charlie!" from Charlies Angels
hey,
i agree; the alarm function of the xda seems to be fine. i use the wav file from finding nemo where all those crazy seagulls keep on saying "mine! mine! mine!" that's when i want to be really awakened; but when i prefer to use an alarm but gently have it wake me up i use a wav file for a song with a soft opening.
you can always download a 3rd party alarm app such as stoptime; which comes with a timer, mirror, calendar and stopwatch program along with the alarm clock.
2 cents
robs
I tried this last night. However, the alarm only comes on for me when you switch the screen on. i.e if i set the alarm at 1.00pm. It wont go off. However, as soon as I switch it on the aralarm sounds. Am I doing something wrong?
Also I only have a limited selection of alarams. How do you add other wav files in?
Thanks
You may need the WakeUp Tweak program from:
http://www.burroak.on.ca/wm2k3tweaks.html
Thanks for that . I'll try it out, but maybe not on the weekend!
hey jupiter,
you can easily add wav files by simply while using activesync; just copy wav files and paste them into the windows folder of the xda. the wav files should then appear when you want to choose a sound for an alarm. however; do note that there are SOME wav files which don't seem to work. i did read in this forum that this has to do with the wav file format...whatever that is as i'm not familiar with it. but it does happen; some wav files don't work. sadly i can't find the forum thread where this was discussed.
cheers
robson
That works. Brilliant. Thanks
Some Wavs do not work because they are not in PCM WAV Format, more likely they are MPEG layer-3 WAV format.
Converting them is easy - using the windows sound recorder utility (sndrec32.exe), open the wav,
Click File->Properties
Click "Convert Now"
On the next screen, ensure the format drop-down is PCM, then change the attributes to whatever you want.
Personally I use 11.025 khz, 8 Bit, Mono
Hi
Can this be done....When in options I cannot seem to find the way to assign a specific ringtone to a specific number / contact and / or group.
Arjan
use ringtoneX from http://www.mtux.com. you can assign it to contacts and phone numbers
shareez
I agree Ringtone X is a lovely little application that let's you assign different tones by name, group, or number plus you can assign the default ringtone to specific numbers as well.
The current version can also play a variety of sound formats including midi, wma and wav.
Ed
you can also use a little very good freeware called PhonExt
http://phonext.oabsoftware.nl/
allow you to create and manage group ringtones and to assign personal ringtones to users.
can also be used for quick dialing with the today plugin.
Have Fun
B0b
Cyberb0b said:
you can also use a little very good freeware called PhonExt
http://phonext.oabsoftware.nl/
allow you to create and manage group ringtones and to assign personal ringtones to users.
can also be used for quick dialing with the today plugin.
Have Fun
B0b
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Does it support the usual PPC 2003 ringtone formats, of wav, midi, AND wma though mate first?
I tried PhoneExt and it doesn't seem to work in WM2003
I also tried Phonext on my i-mate. The ringtone assignment doesn't seem to work on pocket pc os. The search contacts function works fine.
Any opinion on this?
i m using phonext on my XDA2 win2003 for a long time and i have no problem at all. i previously used it on my XDA 1 under windows 2002 and 2003 and i never had problems
i store my .wav in the /windows/ring directory and assign in my contact the ringtone i want to be play.
I did not try with .mid or wma i only use small .wav files
it works just fine.
just one thing : make a shortcut of the phonext.exe and drop it in the window startup so the the application run when you reboot
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i m using phonext on my XDA2 win2003 for a long time and i have no problem at all. i previously used it on my XDA 1 under windows 2002 and 2003 and i never had problems
i store my .wav in the /windows/ring directory and assign in my contact the ringtone i want to be play.
I did not try with .mid or wma i only use small .wav files
it works just fine.
just one thing : make a shortcut of the phonext.exe and drop it in the window startup so the the application run when you reboot
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wav wav wav...
Everyone keeps referring to wavs, but it seems no one is prepared to answer the question...
Does this application allow the normal PPC2003/WM2003 assignment of wma and mid files.
You and many others might still be using large wav files.
But the rest of us with WM2003 elect to utilise the much smaller and better quality wma files.
So asking yet again...
Does this application support wma files.
'Cos if the answer is no, it's usless to us.
So, anyone want to answer this time please folks?
well i can now answer to you now, i ve made some of a testing yesterday.
phonext only deals with wav, no wma nor mid files.
sorry dude
B0b
hhhmm better quality wma files as ring tones ?
yes mp3 and wma can be made to sound almost as good as a cd
but as a ring tone it's being played by the speaker of the xda
which is pretty low quality small speaker
it's pretty overkill
heck i bet you could take a wav file and make it mono and 8bit and changed the sample rate to 11Khz and would still be ok for a ring tone
that s how i encode my wav files, sounds good and quality is more than acceptable for me.
usually i got less than 150 K per ringtone for a 20 sec ring tone
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hhhmm better quality wma files as ring tones ?
yes mp3 and wma can be made to sound almost as good as a cd
but as a ring tone it's being played by the speaker of the xda
which is pretty low quality small speaker
it's pretty overkill
heck i bet you could take a wav file and make it mono and 8bit and changed the sample rate to 11Khz and would still be ok for a ring tone
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Hi Rudegar mate.
I'm originally an Orange SPV E200 user...
Had this since October last year.
Done more tests between wav, and wma, than i would care to go into.
Modaco Smartphone website covers this issue to death, with loads of users chipping in.
The completely unanimous agreement?
WMA is the better file format to use, for the balance between quality and file-size.
Proven. Not speculation. But as ever, each is free to decide for themselves. All I am saying is that in a debate that has ALREADY ran for ages in relation to another device, the consensus is this conclusion.
Let me point out, that if you use a low quality wav, you can use wma to make an equivalent 'low' quality tone, but at a smaller file size.
If you want high quality wav, you can use wma to encode in VBR 320K, and get a superb high quality tone, but STIll at a smaller file size than a very high quality wav file.
So its entirely up to you what quality you opt for - all I am saying is that once you settle on the quality level you like, using a wma file at a generally equivalent quality will result in a smaller file size.
Not fish-wife's tale mate, accepted fact, hence why compressed file formats such as mp3 and wma are used the world over - a decent enough quality for audio, and much smaller file sizes.
The wma files that I use... they are 96K quality, around 40 seconds long each (took me ages to create my catalogue, but I've been doing this for a long time remember). They are all around 500K file size.
If I were to utilise wav files instead, to do them at a quality that was acceptable on the phone/XDA2, they would weigh in at around 2MB.
Shadamehr
with my wma encoder i have one handle which is bitrate
with a wav editor i have
sample rate
mono / stereo
16bit vs. 8bit
and Cyberb0b (even though i havent heard that 150K ring tone of his) have a 20sec ring tone as wav
personaly when i store music on my xda2 using wma i do it in 64K/b sec which is not the best quality for listening to music but it's be all means way overkill for playing a ring tone using the nonheadset speaker of my xda2
suppose it can in some ways be compared to
everybody know that jpg is better then bmp
but if i were to draw a picture in pain using black on the white
saving my picture as 2bit bmp is WAY better an option then saving it
as jpg
with screenshots in windows gif as a rule is a better format then jpg
and with these 2 examples i'm speaking both quality and size
I use wma 64 as ringtones and i will NEVER use wav..
and i can tell the difference between 64wma and 32wma through xda ii speaker.. this speaker is not total crap.. it's the best ive ever heard in a pocket pc/phone.. even when watching movies and clips i cant use anything less than wma 64..
IMHO more than wma 64 is useless(when using the speaker)
and less than wma 64 is noticeable (when using the speaker)
i suppose what one use as ring tone also mean a great deal
i mean if somebody use a song or their own voice yelling to pick up the phone
compared to one who found some ring tone like an old type of phone they once had and use that
or a dog barking or .......
Shameless plug.
I've some ring tones encoded in WMA available from my website.
Cheerio
Howard
it might be better with WMA, but i do not listen to my rigntones all day long, i just need a cool sound to recognise who is calling me in the daily noisy diturbance.
Usually i even use 4 or 5 sec repeting sound making wav no bigger than 20 or 40 ko as the sample file included.
i m sure wma is better, but i might use that to listen to music, i do not care my ringtones have or not a CD quality
and as far as phonext is the only free soft i have found to assign ringtones to contacts i ll continue this way.
maybe the developper of the app will release a new one including wma, i hope so....
if some one got a better free soft for assigning ringtones to contact and creating groups, i will follow
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Shadamehr
with my wma encoder i have one handle which is bitrate
with a wav editor i have
sample rate
mono / stereo
16bit vs. 8bit
and Cyberb0b (even though i havent heard that 150K ring tone of his) have a 20sec ring tone as wav
personaly when i store music on my xda2 using wma i do it in 64K/b sec which is not the best quality for listening to music but it's be all means way overkill for playing a ring tone using the nonheadset speaker of my xda2
suppose it can in some ways be compared to
everybody know that jpg is better then bmp
but if i were to draw a picture in pain using black on the white
saving my picture as 2bit bmp is WAY better an option then saving it
as jpg
with screenshots in windows gif as a rule is a better format then jpg
and with these 2 examples i'm speaking both quality and size
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Rudegar,
Send me ANY of your wav file ringtones.
I'll encode them into wma audio, and the quality will be comparably the same (certainly no pronounced noticeable deterioration), and they will be smaller file size.
And that being the case, then why would anyone use wav that doesn't have to?
Why do you think it was such a sought after feature of WM2003 - wma tones?
To have tones of comparable quality, but at lower filesize.
Yes, of course its not a lossless compression format (though little known fact, neither is wav!).
But it IS a format that can be reduced in file size considerably, with virtually no noticeable difference in quality.
Audiophiles can supposedly tell the difference at the HIGHER end of the quality scale (though I have to admit I can't), but it was always accepted that at the lower end, no real difference could be noticed.
So, if you can save a tone in a two formats, either of which SOUND much the same, but one is a lot smaller file size than the other, which would you use?
well i dont have any ring tones well non that i use anyhow
i use a tone called dog bark which came with my rom
maybe cyberbob have one
and i never claimed that wma was bad
just that wav files need not be that big in size if one had to make due with them one could limit their size and not suffer
much in the way of quality when it came to ringtones
Anyone here can convert mid to wav ?
i been trying to find software for my apple to do this, where i do not have access to a peecee i dont know how to do it.
If someone could convert these
http://www.m3nf.com/TLZone/ringtone.zip
I be so greatful, email me @ m3nf(at)m3nf.com
Your wizard should be able to play midi. You probably need to convert only those messages tone.
Update: Attached 2 message tones in mp3. Using standard sound card midi-wav.
Yes they work fine as ringtones, but i like to use them as message tones, but unable to convert them into wav for them.
I'll convert the files for you with professional instrument sound libraries (think a 2GB piano, for starters). Just give me a little time.
If I posted them as MP3s (to save space), would you be able to then convert them to WAVs?
Yes i have software for that so that would be really great, many thanks for your time
Done the first, AutumnSky...
The board won't let me post MP3s, so here
I'll be on vacation until Sunday, so I won't be able to get any more done until then.
Many thanks, i very greatful for your time.
midi 2 wav recorder
you can use this app, but it is not free
http://www.midi2wav.com
Thanks for the link, but as first post say i use a apple mac computer, so i am unable to use what most of you do .
Thanks again thou.
Morning All,
I'm new to the forum (well posting) but have been reading the wealth of information on here for the past few weeks - this site is an awesome resource, I've learnt so much!
Anyway, I've had my Mini-S (wizard) a week now, and am mostly happy and impressed by it. I guess my main (few) annoyances are WM5 related, rather that with the device itself.
Anyway, I always use my phone as an alarm clock. I wanted to play an MP3 as the tone, so have converted one to wav, and saved in the windows directory.
I've set up my alarm schedule, for all weekdays at 6.30. Then click on the little bell icon and set the 'play sound' to my wav file, 'repeat sound' is unticked, 'flash light' is ticked, and vibrate is unticked.
But, for the past two mornings, all I get is the device sounding the standard notification alert tone, and popping up a message box for my alarm. Luckily my wife was awake this morning when it went off - as the tiny alert tone would never have woken me up.
Any ideas where I'm going wrong - I can't think what else I need to set for it to play that wav file????
Cheers all,
Paul
How is the wav file encoded? That may make a difference. Maybe you're using too high a bitrate. If you feel like buying a program, SPBTime is what I use, and it lets me specify MP3's as ringtones. Great prog. Only thing that'd make it better is if it supported WMA, but c'est la vie.
WAV file...
I assume that you can play the wav file thru media player on your device?
How big is the wav file?
Charlie Grillo
Hmm, I don't think the encoding or bitrate is a problem, as I can play the wav file fine, and when I select it in 'play sound' it plays just fine.
I also converted an mp3 clip to wav to use as an mms/sms message alert - and that works fine too.
My problem is not with assigning mp3's as ringtones, it's just with the blumin' alarm functionality in WM5. :evil:
Perhaps I should try a seperat alarm prog? Any suggestions....
It just bugs me that such a simple function should work without problems....
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I assume that you can play the wav file thru media player on your device?
How big is the wav file?
Charlie Grillo
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Hi Mate, yep - can play it fine.
It's <1MB I believe....
I've given up on Windows Mobile alarms about 2 years ago. I highly recommend this program which is ingeniously named Alarm Clock. And best of all, its freeware!
I also use my phone (Vario II / HTC Tytn) as my alarm clock but found that I couldn't get on very well with the standard WM5 alarms (I am very difficult to wake and need a heavy duty loud and constantly repeating alarm ... with snooze function ).
Instead of using WM5 alarms, I downloaded a freeware audio player named Mortplayer (Click here to go to Developers site) and it works brilliantly. It has lots of functions like increasing volume alarm, run playlist or particular file, snooze function at your own definable intervals etc.. really good little free program.
fone_fanatic said:
I've given up on Windows Mobile alarms about 2 years ago. I highly recommend this program which is ingeniously named Alarm Clock. And best of all, its freeware!
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Thanks - I'll give it a try
Installed and works a treat
Cheers all...
ok. stupid newbie question...
how do i change the sound my phone makes when a message beeps thru to anything other than the bloody voice saying "you have new message"
also the alarm? can i make it an mp3 or WMA?
thanks- only had the phone 2 days.
MontAlbert said:
ok. stupid newbie question...
how do i change the sound my phone makes when a message beeps thru to anything other than the bloody voice saying "you have new message"
also the alarm? can i make it an mp3 or WMA?
thanks- only had the phone 2 days.
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Sometimes it helps if you use the manual!
thanks for your helpful reply!!
Dont you think i have read the manual from cover to cover- it doesnt say where i have to put the files for it to be used as the alarm tone or the message tone!!
THANKS
MontAlbert said:
thanks for your helpful reply!!
Dont you think i have read the manual from cover to cover- it doesnt say where i have to put the files for it to be used as the alarm tone or the message tone!!
THANKS
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Ok ok, put in /windows/Rings folder on your device.
it seems that you can only use .wav file format, is there any workaround to use .mp3, .mp4 or .wma files? wav audio format is so big it will be a complete waste of memory, btw. for alarms sound you must copy wav to \windows folder
Did you know that actual size of predefined .wav files in windows folder is almost 2MB and you can't delete it?
banesi said:
it seems that you can only use .wav file format, is there any workaround to use .mp3, .mp4 or .wma files? wav audio format is so big it will be a complete waste of memory, btw. for alarms sound you must copy wav to \windows folder
Did you know that actual size of predefined .wav files in windows folder is almost 2MB and you can't delete it?
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you can use mp3 and mp3 has smaller Filesize than wav. just use a good converter and use low bitrate. you can also cut mp3 files as you might do not want the whole 5th symphony for a ringing tone.
yeah- i got the ring tone to be changed to my favourite Hatebreed song but for the life of me cannot get it to change the alarm ring tone to something other than those included with the phone..... i used to have an edited mp3 as alarm tone for my sony-ericcson..... i am assuming this phone is better and can do that.......
any ideas to change the alarm tone?
thanks
Scott
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you can use mp3 ...
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Yes for ringtone but NOT for alarms and sms, if someone know how to do it please xplain ...
G'Day Guys,
You need to use .WAV files bummer I know as they are generally larger but it is the only way to use them.
Convert your MP3 files to .wav with a program such as Ease Audio Converter:
http://www.soft32.com/download_15987.html
Once converted, connect your phone to the USB Sync Cable and let is sync.
Once synced go to >my computer>mobile device>my windows mobile-based device>windows and place your .wav file in the windows folder.
It should convert the file for mobile windows format.
Then in your phone go >start>settings>sounds¬ifications>notifications>events and select event, then associated sound.
or for alarm
>start>settings>system>clock & alarms>bell symbol and select sound.
I found that the sound file for the alarm cant be too long, at 17 sec it wouldnt work at 10sec it would................ Again I used "ease Audio converter" to clip the length of the wav file.
Hope this helps, spent many hours delving around on the net finding the answers.
Regards,
BIQ
can this be stickied or put in the wiki under common problems with the Trinity? just an idea
LightInsomnia said:
can this be stickied or put in the wiki under common problems with the Trinity? just an idea
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This is nothing to do with the Trinity as such- it is, and has been, universal with all Pocket PC/ Windows Mobile devices.
As the previous posters have said:
Ringtones can be WAV, MID, WMA or MP3 and need to be in the Windows/Rings folder. Later devices have other permissible locations, but Rings is univerfsal.
Other notifications must be WAV files, and preferably need to be 25KB or less. These need to be in the Windows folder, and are selected via the Settings/Sounds and Notifications control panel.
You can use MP3's as alarm, SMS and messaging tones, but you need add-on programs- SpB Time /Chronos etc for alarms, Ringo Mobile for SMS & Contacts etc.