Hi all,
I have a 8125 (Wizard) that I bought used with a broken LCD - I replaced the LCD with hopes of having a functional phone, but I'm not quite there...
It WAS working as a nice little PDA for a while, with the newest Cingular ROM (2.25 I believe). HOwever, I received absolutely NO signal on the radio - the little animation just constantly went like it was forever searching.
So, in my newfound expertise in flashing HTC devices, I decided to flash this to a different ROM. First, I tried the one they call Button 1.05. No bones - it'd drop connection before even going to the tri-color.
Next, I tried the SlimEdition 2.2b of WM6 (I wanted to put WM6 on it anyway, and with this old of a phone, I'm keeping away from excessive gadgets). Same deal as the Button 1.05.
On to the Faria WM6 I found in another forum. This one didn't even find my phone.
Before suggesting I try doing the flashes more than 1 time, I did.. I've been trying to flash this thing for over a month...
Additionally (and probably part of the problem), when I connect the phone to my mini-USB (no, not HTC OEM) it establishes connection about 1/3 of the time....the rest of the time I get a "USB Device not Recognized" warning from XP - I then disconnect it and reconnect it until AS4.5 sees it.
Most recently, I tried putting the Button 1.05 on again, and actually made progress...sorta...
Once I got the RUU running, I actually got it to progress to 2% before the RUU declared a connection failure. Stuck in the RUU screen, I tried all the ROM's I have on this thing, and none get past 2%.
So, NOW, I have an 8125 that's stuck in the RUU screen. I dont know what I can try next, or what might be the problem - however, if anyone knows or has spare parts they're willing to donate to science (I can afford to pay the shipping - that's about it) then I would be most grateful. My initial thoughts are bad USB port or mainboard, but I haven't a clue where to get them.
Alternatively, if I dont hear from anyone soon with good news, I will be offereing for sale 1 hardly used LCD/Digitizer combo for what I paid for it. (approx $45 USD).
Summary (long post, eh?):
1> Can I get out of the tri-color RUU screen, or did it getting to 2% and then dying effectively brick this phone?
2> Anyone have suggestions on what to replace to prevent AS4.5 (or even Windows) from misdetecting the phone when connected via USB?
3> Anyone have parts for above-mentioned repairs/replacements? I'd be most grateful....
TIA!
- M
Follow up - next day (yes, next day)....
Apparently, the Forum Gods were watching over me as I spewed about my flashing issues......
I tried flashing it one more time, using the Slim v2 WM6 ROM....wouldn't ya know, the sunnovabatch worked....
Dunno why or what I did differently, but I dont want anyone pounding their heads trying to find an answer for this....
(I'll still take any donor phones, though...this one is 'better', but still not 'great')
Thanks for lookin!
- M
thats good to hear. say, how hard you think it would be to replace a usb port connector? mine is broken
collwatt said:
thats good to hear. say, how hard you think it would be to replace a usb port connector? mine is broken
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Well, I've never replaced one myself, but it looks like it's just a few solder joints....
Can anyone confirm this? I dont want to mislead you by saying it's easy, in case it just looks easy, and really isn't.....
Also, I think I saw a thread elsewhere where someone had a bunch of the USB connectors that (s)he was selling....search here first - I'm pretty sure it'll be a better deal than you'll find on fleabay....
GL!!!
- M
I did a hard reset before passing on my beloved Wiz to a friend (well, my boss! )
Lo and behold, the battery is at like 70% after one phone call... kinda embarassing. He goofed around with it a bit more, and it's really losing battery when he makes calls. I haven't had an issue myself with that, but then I have mainly used it for watching videos, but it's been fine at that for hours at a time before. I am considering that it might be bad connection for the phone providor, but I doubt it.
Anyone heard of anything similar? Any advice if I were to do another hard reset?
My points of view
As a Friend....
Dont sell a phone to a closely friend of yours... I think he dont like it thats all and he wants his money back.
As a technisian....
Recomends him to buy a High capacity battery. i think that is diying.
As a XDA developer member...
Are you on a custom ROM? original? reflash it with the three steps to avoid the Batt drain issue... but what ROM do you have?
We need more info men!
See you soon!
Hi! He likes the phone fine, he used to have one before, and I watched the battery drain myself. But thanks for the advice
I will indeed look into buying a new battery, but I am very curious about you mentioning "reflash it with the three steps", what does that mean? I am on a regular installed rom right now, I might have updated it myself in like 2006 (it's a qtek 9100 rom if that makes any diff).
I really appreciate the help, and sorry for making you explain it to me like I am a three year old
It doesnt matter men!!!
Maybe i have 2 years old in windows mobile world so... im so new in this hahahah LOL!!!!
So.. three steps (be sure your batt is every steps at 100%)
1.- Get fully charged your batt at 100% first... then make a hard reset (wait to boot completely)
2.- Downgrade to an original Rom.. (if you are under 6.1 so... try the 2.26 wm5 Tmobile and let it boot completely)
3.- Upgrade to your favorite Wm6.1 or 6 (is your choice) without unplug your phone let it boot completely. And make again a Hard reset.
NOTE: if you are not unlocked please first do the unlock process
(the Win mobile 5 original dont have Batt drain issue so if your device is virgin its for sure that the batt is almost dead)
+ Que PPC said:
Maybe i have 2 years old in windows mobile world so... im so new in this hahahah LOL!!!!
So.. three steps (be sure your batt is every steps at 100%)
1.- Get fully charged your batt at 100% first... then make a hard reset (wait to boot completely)
2.- Downgrade to an original Rom.. (if you are under 6.1 so... try the 2.26 wm5 Tmobile and let it boot completely)
3.- Upgrade to your favorite Wm6.1 or 6 (is your choice) without unplug your phone let it boot completely. And make again a Hard reset.
NOTE: if you are not unlocked please first do the unlock process
(the Win mobile 5 original dont have Batt drain issue so if your device is virgin its for sure that the batt is almost dead)
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It was really useful and helped me a lot,
Thanks,
Best Regards,
When I picked it up it would only boot to a screen with a triangle with an exclamation mark in it and it says Software Update Failed! Please try again. He said he was trying to load Android but didn't know what he was doing and every time he pulls the battery that's as far as it gets. I figured for $20 maybe I can get it into bootloader and do something with it. I got it home and did a battery pull, put it back in and held the power button and volume down and nothing. Now it won't even turn on at all. When I picked it up he did a battery pull and turned it on to the Software Failed screen but now nothing. I've left the battery out for an hour, had it plugged in to 2 different wall chargers and every USB port on my computer and nothing. I even stripped a USB cable and held the wires to the + - terminals on the battery for 15 minutes and nothing. I'm hoping the battery is just shot or not taking any charge and a new one might at least get me to the bootloader.
I suggest you make a Gold Card to flash it with. This is like the one almost assured flash of Windows Mobile to your HD2. a Gold Card will force a flash sometimes. If you do not know what a Gold Card is just Google Gold Card for HTC HD2.
If you can flash Windows Mobile back to the HD2 you can then try Android again on it if you want.
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When I picked it up it would only boot to a screen with a triangle with an exclamation mark in it and it says Software Update Failed! Please try again. He said he was trying to load Android but didn't know what he was doing and every time he pulls the battery that's as far as it gets. I figured for $20 maybe I can get it into bootloader and do something with it. I got it home and did a battery pull, put it back in and held the power button and volume down and nothing. Now it won't even turn on at all. When I picked it up he did a battery pull and turned it on to the Software Failed screen but now nothing. I've left the battery out for an hour, had it plugged in to 2 different wall chargers and every USB port on my computer and nothing. I even stripped a USB cable and held the wires to the + - terminals on the battery for 15 minutes and nothing. I'm hoping the battery is just shot or not taking any charge and a new one might at least get me to the bootloader.
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20$ !!! HOW ?????
Ill Buy it from you as is for $50 Australian dollars plus postage. The Australian dollar is worth like 50 gadjillion US dollars at the moment so its a great deal for both of us.
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Ill Buy it from you as is for $50 Australian dollars plus postage. The Australian dollar is worth like 50 gadjillion US dollars at the moment so its a great deal for both of us.
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20$ !!! HOW ?????
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Because at the moment it's a $20 paperweight. Black screen, no charging light, won't even go to the software failed screen. I don't know anyone else with another HD2 I can use to check the battery or to use to charge it if it is dead. If worse comes to worse I'll send it off to HTC.
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I suggest you make a Gold Card to flash it with. This is like the one almost assured flash of Windows Mobile to your HD2. a Gold Card will force a flash sometimes. If you do not know what a Gold Card is just Google Gold Card for HTC HD2.
If you can flash Windows Mobile back to the HD2 you can then try Android again on it if you want.
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I read the tutorial a couple times and I'm guessing the phone would have to have power to do this. This puppy is dead at the moment. For all I know it was Raptured during the night.
check the battery pins carefully for bent pins, and also, just to check, when you did the bare usb cable charging, you put neg to neg, live to live, right?(black to - red to +, , + being the outer one)
Id probably try a phone shop, see if they'l let you put a battery in for a few seconds, just to confirm if its the battery that has died, and if theyre really nice maybe theyl let you try your battery in their hd2.
If it IS the battery and you get it working, its dead simple, no goldcard or anything like that needed,, , the exclamation screen you got is from flashing an incorrect (wrong carrier/region) stock rom via sd card whilst hspl was installed, (its been removed now, by the start of teh sd card flash, thats why it gave rom update fail) and simply entering bootloader and reflashing using a rom correct for your serial will fix that.
(or indeed entering bootloader, applying hspl then flashing your chosen cooked rom and radio, , , or radio and magldr, whatever you want to do. Its a scary screen the exclamation one, but its one of the easiest to get past)
Yeah a phone shop is probably a good idea. There's a T-Mobile pretty close. I had an HD2 I sold last year that I had put some different ROMs on and Android so I figured if this one was stuck at the software failed screen it would be a pretty easy fix. I used it in the Yucatan for the GSM signal plus it doubles as a pretty good camera and bought this one because I'm going back. But reading the threads about it just being dead and not booting to anything makes me think it might be trashed. If it is I'm only out $20. If it's to pricey for HTC to fix it there are a couple on craigslist cheap with broken LCD's. Might try piecing 2 together.
unfortunately looks like you've bricked the unit, you can actually resurect it by using JTAG software/hardware http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XroEPU4qyuM
rudy173 said:
unfortunately looks like you've bricked the unit, you can actually resurect it by using JTAG software/hardware http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XroEPU4qyuM
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That's what I was thinking. But I didn't do it, all I did was pull the battery. If it is it's only $20
Its not the famous tmous radio brick, unless you didnt mention something you did in your first post.
the only way it gets that kind of brick is flashing a radio from a regular HD2, the fact that the flash failed (exclamation screen) and you say you didnt try to flash anything else would point to a different problem. If the radio HAD flashed, the phone wouldnt have booted even to the excl screen.
You see, when you flash a stock rom via sd card, if hspl is installed it will allow the flash to start, but step 1 is first changing the spl(removing hspl) then the phone restarts into the new spl, and flashing continues. But because hspl is no longer there, cid checks fail and the flashing stops, so no radio gets flashed, so no radio brick.
radio bricks happen when you flash a non tmous stock rom via Goldcard or via usb whilst hspl is installed, because over USB, hspl is NOT removed at step 1 so the flashing is allowed to continue, the radio gets flashed, the phone dies.
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Its not the famous tmous radio brick, unless you didnt mention something you did in your first post.
the only way it gets that kind of brick is flashing a radio from a regular HD2, the fact that the flash failed (exclamation screen) and you say you didnt try to flash anything else would point to a different problem. If the radio HAD flashed, the phone wouldnt have booted even to the excl screen.
You see, when you flash a stock rom via sd card, if hspl is installed it will allow the flash to start, but step 1 is first changing the spl(removing hspl) then the phone restarts into the new spl, and flashing continues. But because hspl is no longer there, cid checks fail and the flashing stops, so no radio gets flashed, so no radio brick.
radio bricks happen when you flash a non tmous stock rom via Goldcard or via usb whilst hspl is installed, because over USB, hspl is NOT removed at step 1 so the flashing is allowed to continue, the radio gets flashed, the phone dies.
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You see the problem is I don't know what this guy did to it. All he said was he tried to load Android. When I picked it up in would power on and stop at the Software Failed screen. After I pulled the battery it does absolutely nothing.
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You see the problem is I don't know what this guy did to it. All he said was he tried to load Android. When I picked it up in would power on and stop at the Software Failed screen. After I pulled the battery it does absolutely nothing.
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exactly, which is why im suspecting battery/battery pins/power issue, because it DID come on for you, meaning it isnt a radio brick, and the pins are very easily bent when the battery is pulled, one slight twist to the angle of rotation and the casing on the battery around the flat connectors catches the pins on the way up and out.
If he was installing android, he most likely installed magldr, which prevents teh battery from charging when the phone is off, hence me wanting to double check you were doing the USB bare wire charger correctly, because a totally dead battery won't charge in the phone, if magldr is there. And so, back to testing if its teh battery, thats what you need to confirm before you can move on,,,,, is the battery alive but flat? ten seconds with a known good battery, or a HD2 running winmo (can charge when off with winmo installed) will answer it for you.
Yes I made sure it was hooked up correctly. I held the wires on the terminals for what I thought would be long enough. Maybe the battery is junk? Thanks for the pointers though. I do appreciate the help.
In my first post last night I took it you were having a issue with getting a ROM to flash. I see now your issue is not this so I do apologize.
Samsamuel has givin you some great advice. Have you tried connecting your wall charger to the HD2 and then power it on? This is how I would get my HD2 to boot back up so I could charge if I accidentally let the battery drain all the way down and I was using MAGLDR. (Not a problem anymore thanks to cLK)
Now seeing as you do not have a ROM to boot into this will not charge your battery but just maybe prove the HD2 is not dead. I agree with Samamuel about it not being bricked, I think you just have battery/power issues right now, namely the lack of power.
Go to this thread that just sprung up last Tuesday in the HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A and General forum. Read the first post as it gives a method of charging your battery when dead using MAGLDR. I have not personally tested this cause I no longer use MAGLDR. I can not promise you it works but it is worth a shot. Let us know if this worked for you and post in the thread I linked as well if it works. That thread needs a confirmation post.
I tried 2 different wall chargers and just tried to tip in the thread you suggested. Nothing. Even tried a PowerMat for 3 hours.
jmac1968 said:
I tried 2 different wall chargers and just tried to tip in the thread you suggested. Nothing. Even tried a PowerMat for 3 hours.
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Does this conclude that the battery is dead ??? and you might need a new battery ?
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Does this conclude that the battery is dead ??? and you might need a new battery ?
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It might be.
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It might be.
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Then go for it
Stumbled upon this a bit ago, a company called Mobile Tech is offering an "unbricking" service on all versions of the Galaxy Tab. At the time of this writing they charge $50. I have not used this service, am not in any affiliated with this company and cannot vouch for their work, so beware. Just thought someone out there might use this when other options aren't available.
They have a nifty video up on youtube showing how they do it:
it will be a good help for those who brick their tab because they ain't follow the steps .. thanks for sharing this out
I can actually vouch third party for this service. Have had two friends use it and the device was returned within a few days. If I'm not mistaken, the guy lives in the southern US, but can arrange international he says.
Sent from my "better than an iPad" tab... Running Overcome GINGERBREAD!!!
This is cool, but I would recommend trying to go through Samsung first if you are still under warranty. I screwed up my primary bootloader and contacted them. They took care of shipping costs, fixed it up, and sent it back in about a week and a half. If Samsung hadn't fixed it I would defiantly have payed the $50 here though.
WOW, that seems like a lot of work for $50.
Thanks for the info, should I ever screw something up its nice to know there are people out there who can clean up my mess!
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a company called Mobile Tech is offering an "unbricking" service on all versions of the Galaxy Tab.
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Hi spacemoose1
Thanks for link and as always, thanks for honeycomb port. I would like to ascertain the definition of BRICK? with your help, if I may.
(disclaimer: pls forgive my wrong terms or exagerated explanation, but most importantly, pls correct me if I'm wrong)
BRICKed = software total lost, must use JTAG to force revive it, Samsung has it, or buy from web supplier around 300 USD ??? 500 USD ???
JTAG is a device to push software into all newly borned IC. I.E. when factory make IC, it's empty software inside, hence has a special device to push voltage into all sections of the IC, then force the code in.
Another term is ???CRASH??? or ???HANG???, (I don't know) anyway is not BRICKed, hence a reflash can recover it.
Samsung uses proprietary method a lot, not follow conventional, make usb driver very complex. USB driver install EXE around 15MB to 28MB depends on version, ALL work the same.
but, when the device = sgt7 in different state/condition, the driver must RE-ESTABLISH again, or else cannot work.
I.E.
state 1 = "OPERATIONAL"device in android operation, normal use, surf web, phone call etc
state 2 = "SLEEP" device powered off, show battery big icon charging when powered by charger
state 3 = RECOVERY mode
state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode - this is one of the way to FORCE flash to recover, as long as bootloader and something still intact
state 5 = PHONE-!-PC mode
stage 6 = "COMA" device powered off, NO show of battery big icon, even when charger supplied. Don't panic, let it charge fully 4 hours from 2 amperes supply, 10 hours from PC 500mA. It will start again !!!. Battery big icon will appear around 30% battery charged, I know because that's what I saw. I didn't check when it's in 10% or 20%. The 1st time I check was already 30% up from no-boot or no respone.
User need to plug device into PC during each of the state above at least once, in order for various flashing functions to work.
i.e. when it's a newly arrived device, usually install the usb driver 1st, with device state in android OS running properly, then plug in to USB and see "new device detected" installing, pls wait. Finished.
But when flashing via Odin using state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode, user may experience no connection, no COM3 or something. Because device must be unplugged in USB, power-up in state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode, plug in USB, "new device detected" installing = RE-ESTABLISH, done. UNPLUG USB, replug in usb, then COM3 appears FLASH will be succesfull.
same goes for other state.
p.s. many users reported BRICKed but then recovered WITHOUT JTAG is misleading beginners, hence should rename the term to ???CRASH??? or ???HANG???. although some previously use "SEMI-brick", which is acceptable.
stage 3 = ClockWorkMod flashing (super convenient, especially on the move without PC)
stage 4 = Odin / Heimdall both works (still convenient and easy )
stage 5 = Odin / Heimdall both works (still convenient and easy )
???CRASH??? or ???HANG??? or "SEMI-brick" is usually SUCCESFULLY recovered via restock+PIT
(final disclaimer, incase above is correct and help and is copied, pls correct whatever mistakes found, feel free.)
*** Thanks for all those who taught me my mistakes *** devs and fellow forumers
ManticoreX said:
This is cool, but I would recommend trying to go through Samsung first if you are still under warranty. I screwed up my primary bootloader and contacted them. They took care of shipping costs, fixed it up, and sent it back in about a week and a half. If Samsung hadn't fixed it I would defiantly have payed the $50 here though.
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Yeah, warranty repair is always a better choice. But sometimes you've already voided the warranty, lol.
I guess, if u change factory installed rom/kernel warranty gonna be history
thanx for the post ... it might gonna be the last resort...
cx5 said:
Hi spacemoose1
Thanks for link and as always, thanks for honeycomb port. I would like to ascertain the definition of BRICK? with your help, if I may.
(disclaimer: pls forgive my wrong terms or exagerated explanation, but most importantly, pls correct me if I'm wrong)
BRICKed = software total lost, must use JTAG to force revive it, Samsung has it, or buy from web supplier around 300 USD ??? 500 USD ???
JTAG is a device to push software into all newly borned IC. I.E. when factory make IC, it's empty software inside, hence has a special device to push voltage into all sections of the IC, then force the code in.
Another term is ???CRASH??? or ???HANG???, (I don't know) anyway is not BRICKed, hence a reflash can recover it.
Samsung uses proprietary method a lot, not follow conventional, make usb driver very complex. USB driver install EXE around 15MB to 28MB depends on version, ALL work the same.
but, when the device = sgt7 in different state/condition, the driver must RE-ESTABLISH again, or else cannot work.
I.E.
state 1 = "OPERATIONAL"device in android operation, normal use, surf web, phone call etc
state 2 = "SLEEP" device powered off, show battery big icon charging when powered by charger
state 3 = RECOVERY mode
state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode - this is one of the way to FORCE flash to recover, as long as bootloader and something still intact
state 5 = PHONE-!-PC mode
stage 6 = "COMA" device powered off, NO show of battery big icon, even when charger supplied. Don't panic, let it charge fully 4 hours from 2 amperes supply, 10 hours from PC 500mA. It will start again !!!. Battery big icon will appear around 30% battery charged, I know because that's what I saw. I didn't check when it's in 10% or 20%. The 1st time I check was already 30% up from no-boot or no respone.
User need to plug device into PC during each of the state above at least once, in order for various flashing functions to work.
i.e. when it's a newly arrived device, usually install the usb driver 1st, with device state in android OS running properly, then plug in to USB and see "new device detected" installing, pls wait. Finished.
But when flashing via Odin using state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode, user may experience no connection, no COM3 or something. Because device must be unplugged in USB, power-up in state 4 = DOWNLOAD mode, plug in USB, "new device detected" installing = RE-ESTABLISH, done. UNPLUG USB, replug in usb, then COM3 appears FLASH will be succesfull.
same goes for other state.
p.s. many users reported BRICKed but then recovered WITHOUT JTAG is misleading beginners, hence should rename the term to ???CRASH??? or ???HANG???. although some previously use "SEMI-brick", which is acceptable.
stage 3 = ClockWorkMod flashing (super convenient, especially on the move without PC)
stage 4 = Odin / Heimdall both works (still convenient and easy )
stage 5 = Odin / Heimdall both works (still convenient and easy )
???CRASH??? or ???HANG??? or "SEMI-brick" is usually SUCCESFULLY recovered via restock+PIT
(final disclaimer, incase above is correct and help and is copied, pls correct whatever mistakes found, feel free.)
*** Thanks for all those who taught me my mistakes *** devs and fellow forumers
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I pretty much agree, but I might refine:
BRICK= Unit does not power up, visibly charge, reach a boot-screen of any kind including a service or "download" screen. A device in this state requires service from the manufacturer or an individual equipped with the proper tools. There is no other way to recover a device in this state.
SOFT-BRICK= Unit powers up, reaches a "download" or service screen, visibly charges but does not boot into an OS. Crashing, hanging etc. all apply here. It is easy to recover a device from this state so long as one has access to a firmware that was designed for the device and the ability to flash said firmware.
SEMI-BRICK= See soft-brick above
JTAG= Provides access to system hardware by applying the correct voltage to the correct pins in order to push software via an external program.
In regards to the usb drivers, there are only actually 4 states
1. Active userspace
2. Serial gadget mode
3. Recovery
4. USB storage mode
And there is a separate driver for each of these (except recovery) in the Samsung driver package that should install automatically when the device is plugged in during normal use on a stock rom, or with the installation package available on the web.
The rest of it you've got pretty much correct.
Money seems right, but the amount of work that guy has to go thru is amazing, so much to tare it apart, and reassemble. Then again when it is put back toether, he checks it, what if it did not take the fix... all over again.
Hardbricked Tab Save by Mobile Tech
I hardbricked my galaxy tab bought in Cambodia. My little brother open the tab trying to take the battery off and put it back on, thus void the warranty, found him on the Samsung vibrant forum, sent the tab to him got it back good as new. This person is professional, honest and good communication with his customers, you'll be happy with his work, if he can't fix it you get your money back (minus shipping and diagnosis)...Glad he is arround to help...
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I pretty much agree, but I might refine:
BRICK= Unit does not power up, visibly charge, reach a boot-screen of any kind including a service or "download" screen. A device in this state requires service from the manufacturer or an individual equipped with the proper tools. There is no other way to recover a device in this state.
SOFT-BRICK= Unit powers up, reaches a "download" or service screen, visibly charges but does not boot into an OS. Crashing, hanging etc. all apply here. It is easy to recover a device from this state so long as one has access to a firmware that was designed for the device and the ability to flash said firmware.
SEMI-BRICK= See soft-brick above
JTAG= Provides access to system hardware by applying the correct voltage to the correct pins in order to push software via an external program.
In regards to the usb drivers, there are only actually 4 states
1. Active userspace
2. Serial gadget mode
3. Recovery
4. USB storage mode
And there is a separate driver for each of these (except recovery) in the Samsung driver package that should install automatically when the device is plugged in during normal use on a stock rom, or with the installation package available on the web.
The rest of it you've got pretty much correct.
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You should post this in Q/A thread on its own as its very helpful and maybe it will stop the 1% of people saying help my phone is bricked comments ... the other 99% don't read anyway otherwise they would discover their phone isn't bricked and if they read properly it would not have gotten to the state in the first place .. and no I never posted something like that myself >:¬}
but well done on this..
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You should post this in Q/A thread on its own as its very helpful and maybe it will stop the 1% of people saying help my phone is bricked comments ... the other 99% don't read anyway otherwise they would discover their phone isn't bricked and if they read properly it would not have gotten to the state in the first place .. and no I never posted something like that myself >:¬}
but well done on this..
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Nice find. For that amount of effort disassembling, and reviving, $50 is a very realistic price. I'll keep these guys in mind if I run into issues with my tab.
$50 for that much work is an absolute bargain! I wish I didn't live in a country where you get charged $200/hr for someone to pick their nose.
It's actually not that much more difficult than popping an OS install CD into a hosed computer and pressing 3 keys to let it run through the installation after flashing a corrupt motherboard BIOS. Yes, it takes familiarity with the software and hardware, but it's by no means a feat that requires a special skillset.
Granted, few people have JTAG stuff handy, so $50 is definitely worth it if you've hosed your device, but don't make it sound like he's sweating and coding the bootloader by hand, strenuously manipulating micro tools to disassemble the tablet and flipping DIP switches to restore the bootloader. You spend 5 minutes taking apart the tablet, you attach the JTAG cable, run the supplied software on your computer, and sit there recording the screen with your video recorder while the progressbar moves from 0 to 100.
Again, it's worth $50 simply because not everyone and their mother has JTAG hardware sitting around, but by no means is it hard. It's the same reason I can get away with charging $100 to clean viruses off of a computer. People either don't have the tools or don't know how to use them. That being said, I don't know a damn thing about using JTAG to restore a corrupt bootloader, nor do I have the right hardware, so I'd pay $50 if I were ever in the situation.
Edit: And yes, $100 for a virus clean is a lot, but people generally change their mind when I explain to them why they got viruses, as well as installing proper antivirus software and then instructing them on how to avoid infection in the future. I rarely get repeat business from the same customer but I get A LOT of referrals ;p They're happy paying that much when the person educates them instead of cleaning, not installing/explaining, then having to bring the computer in again two weeks later for another wallet-gouge, which most other computer 'repair people' gladly do over and over.
Everything in this world is rinse and repeat... The money comes from time spent learning to use the hardware properly, micro soldering skills (which isn't easy, no matter who you are), confidence enough to offer it as a service, not to mention the couple hundred bucks for the jtag software and hardware.
Now, the fact that if you have your device in a bricked state you likely voided the warranty, it's a 600 dollar brick if your samsung tech recognized it... 50 bucks is a steal to not deal with samsung anyway.
Try to be less pompous next time oh savoir of the hundred bone virus... Your poop stinks too, promise.
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It's actually not that much more difficult than popping an OS install CD into a hosed computer and pressing 3 keys to let it run through the installation after flashing a corrupt motherboard BIOS. Yes, it takes familiarity with the software and hardware, but it's by no means a feat that requires a special skillset.
Granted, few people have JTAG stuff handy, so $50 is definitely worth it if you've hosed your device, but don't make it sound like he's sweating and coding the bootloader by hand, strenuously manipulating micro tools to disassemble the tablet and flipping DIP switches to restore the bootloader. You spend 5 minutes taking apart the tablet, you attach the JTAG cable, run the supplied software on your computer, and sit there recording the screen with your video recorder while the progressbar moves from 0 to 100.
Again, it's worth $50 simply because not everyone and their mother has JTAG hardware sitting around, but by no means is it hard. It's the same reason I can get away with charging $100 to clean viruses off of a computer. People either don't have the tools or don't know how to use them. That being said, I don't know a damn thing about using JTAG to restore a corrupt bootloader, nor do I have the right hardware, so I'd pay $50 if I were ever in the situation.
Edit: And yes, $100 for a virus clean is a lot, but people generally change their mind when I explain to them why they got viruses, as well as installing proper antivirus software and then instructing them on how to avoid infection in the future. I rarely get repeat business from the same customer but I get A LOT of referrals ;p They're happy paying that much when the person educates them instead of cleaning, not installing/explaining, then having to bring the computer in again two weeks later for another wallet-gouge, which most other computer 'repair people' gladly do over and over.
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I've got to call you out on this one. Mis-connecting or shorting any wires will lead to a damaged PCB and an un-resurrectable TAB. I'm also a Systems Admin for a living so I understand where you are coming from. You must realize that I solder at levels of .1mm in spacing on the Captivate, Vibrant and Nexus S. Electrical engineers and technicians have first hand talked with me about the difficulty of doing this and is NOT something that anyone can do. You'd think twice when you burn up a phone or two valued at $500 a pop trying to JTAG them. There is more skill involved than you would think. Not to mention the liability when dis-assembling the device. JTAG software is decent but it's not fully automated. There are TCK frequencies, RTCK frequencies different PBL partition sizes, full dcc loader read/writes and the requirement of EXACT voltage from an external power supply that are needed in MANY cases. Plus, there is little to no support when fixing a device. This means that if you can't figure it out, nobody else is going to for you. I'm not trying to brag but yet point out that this isn't like plugging in your phone for an ODIN flash. I've taken hundreds of hours of time and 1000's of dollars to create what I feel is the most trusted JTAG authority online ANYWHERE. I greatly appreciate having the opportunity to help the community and enthusiasts in this community. If this was as easy as you are claiming, you could get JTAG hardware and a manual at Best Buy. I have to say you put it best when you said you don't know anything about JTAG... Ok end of rant I was just a bit bothered by your post.
Ok with that being said, thanks for the personal testimonies and compliments. I will be here whenever anyone needs JTAG assistance in the future or around the forums to help answer Q&A when it doesn't require JTAG. Here is a Nexus S promo to realize how tiny some of these things are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecp8jKmm48k
i would love to learn more on how to do stuff like this if i had moneyz. the .1mm ext.
not just for android but to make my own ish.
thanks for the awsome videos.
Thanks for the link, hope I won't need it ;-)
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