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XDA II Photo!

Well...finally, here it is. Note the lack of antenna and digital camera on the back ....mmmm...yummy :wink:
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/1028.html[/img]

Oops...
I was going to attach an image but backed out so heres the proper address:
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/1028.html

Looks to me more like fake
btw... new design (c) Sony Ericsson AB? looks like T610

Same Photo, but CLEAR
XDA II Photo
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Still looks like fake... I think it will look more like Samsung, flat, sharp, SMALL...

Unfortunately, having had the xda for a few months I've come to this conclusion.... you cant have small with this kind of device!
Normal hand held use
I got cramp in my hand using the Sony Erricsson for 20 minutes. This was mainly due to its smaller size, otherwise its a good device. Again I wouldnt want to write a story on it for 2 hours like I did waiting in a car-park the other day on the xda
GPS Navigation
Consequently the xda screen-size is also perfect for GPS use in the car, again, with a smaller screen I wouldnt like using it in that application either.
The only possible way it could be improved size wise is with two screens, in a fold out flip-phone configuration, with the same overall screen size as now, but it would be a pain for GPS.
Basically, If you want a tiny phone, this isnt for you. If you want a device that is highly versatile, ergonomic which just happens to also be a phone, (e.g. as a secondary function) a pocket pc xda / xda2 is excellent.

Groan,.... when are mobile manufacturers going to realise that the xda's user demographic already own decent digital cameras.
The effect of this will be you never use it, unless you're out minus digital camera and see a ufo.
lets face it a ufo would have to be pretty close at 640x480 to make it worth taking a picture of!
Wouldnt it be better to not bother with a built in camera until streaming video calls become affordable/technically available.

It doesn't like a phone anymore......
I'm afraid the signal will not be as good as the old XDA..

xda 2
hi
isnt it a shame they havent fitted a decent camera. especially with the 65000 colours. and why havent the put blue tooth as standard.
regards kevin b

Bluetooth is standard.
WiFi optional via the SDIO slot

says it aint says is optional via sdio slot thats stupid thats theres no bluetoothe

Wait till you have a play with it......very very good!

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kevin.beecher said:
hi
isnt it a shame they havent fitted a decent camera. especially with the 65000 colours. and why havent the put blue tooth as standard.
regards kevin b
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Bluetooth is standard and the Camera is very good

hi
how do you know its good any sample pics.
regards kevin :lol:

To an earlier poster:
These photos are certainly not fakes. In fact I'm trialling an O2 Xda II right now
A cracking wireless pocket pc with a useful still/video camera.

better picture...
There's a good picture and an official T-Mobile announcement here:
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/3952.html
..lance

Here is the O2 Announcement for everyone
http://www.sourceo2.com/News/Press_+releases/01.07.2003-3.htm
Tells a lot more than the T-Mobile site and has realistic dates as well!! :lol:

kevin b said:
hi
how do you know its good any sample pics.
regards kevin :lol:
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Because I have played with it.........

derekcfoley said:
Groan,.... when are mobile manufacturers going to realise that the xda's user demographic already own decent digital cameras.
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The camera's a reason for me NOT TO BUY an XDAII: In the industry I'm in, camera phones are banned for reasons of espionage. Manufacturers should keep in mind that this applies to many other businesses as well. The time will come when we have to go back to old fashioned wired phones on our desks because no wireless device will be available without a camera.
... it would really hurt to buy a new device and immediately treat the camera with a nail and hammer!
Martin

That's really stupid. If you can't be trusted to begin with, you could very well sneak in a mini digital camera anyway. Idiots.

XDA2 user interface

i had the pleasure to hold in my hands the new xda2 for a few seconds this week.
I noticed that o2 totally redesigned the today screen of windows mobile 2003. Very nice! larger icons in the center of the screen, not only the start drop down menu. a bit like a palm. anyone seen that version arround here?

oh, and btw:
this is what else i liked:
-great screen, much more vibrant and sharp
-seems to be a bit lighter
-and of course no antena
- pictures from the camera look decent
- SD/IO slot on top seems like a good place instead of the bottom. I wont drop my sd card again this way
downs, if any
it's a bit thicker than the old one..so it wont look any better in your pants' pockets.

To stamp with impatience :lol: :lol: :lol:
More than two months for waiting
:roll:
Any idea about price :?:
:wink:

the nice lady who showed it to me had no idea about the price. :wink:

Can I ask where you say it, was it UK and was it at an exhibition?

Does it use the same bottom connector as the XDA2????

odd all the pictures i've seen of the mda2 and xda2 looked as if they had the SD connector in the buttom

I would like to have XDA II right now
:?: :?:
:wink:
Everybody has the same idea?

i saw it at an exibition, thats right. although not UK, it was a trip to Germany
dunno about the buttom connector but i am pretty certain that the SD slot is on top

screenshots?
have anyone any screenshots of this new interface?
I'm really really interest, because I work up and research for more useful Today Screen.
Some of my concept is here:
http://www.geocities.com//myppcpe2003/
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where?
where is the new interface?
I just read:
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cacheZlfNV4Z2e8J:msmobiles.com/article.php/54.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
and there is no such an interface style.

Re: where?
JGUI said:
where is the new interface?
I just read:
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cacheZlfNV4Z2e8J:msmobiles.com/article.php/54.html+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
and there is no such an interface style.
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That article is about an MDA-II from T-mobile, while in the originator of this thread talked about an XDA-II from O2.
Maybe it's an extra from O2 ?
GrTz !

Maybe it's an extra from O2 ?
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When did we ever get something extra from O2... ? They will not even release WM2003 for XDA in Asia... Not that I want their version on my XDA. XDA Developers & Jeff has seem to it that we don't need them... Frankly, much as I'm tempted for this new phone I think I will try and resist just to protest O2's decision on WM2003 upgrade for XDA.

k_kirk said:
Maybe it's an extra from O2 ?
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When did we ever get something extra from O2... ? They will not even release WM2003 for XDA in Asia... Not that I want their version on my XDA. XDA Developers & Jeff has seem to it that we don't need them... Frankly, much as I'm tempted for this new phone I think I will try and resist just to protest O2's decision on WM2003 upgrade for XDA.
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Wow! Hold your horses! I was just trying to suggest that the GUI might have some O2 customization and the mentioned URL shows pictures of the T-Mobile model, not the O2 model.
I hold nothing against any particular provider: they all have found their own unique and distinctive way to screw us

X-Ray, apologies if I seemed to flame you! That priviledge goes to O2... I was just harping on... Cheers

k_kirk said:
X-Ray, apologies if I seemed to flame you! That priviledge goes to O2... I was just harping on... Cheers
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Ok, no problem: we have a common target then

I do know a few things here for sure:
- the SDIO slot is at the top, NOT the bottom!
- there will be some kind of O2 menu, maybe the same as their new mobiles?
- definitely has bluetooth built in
- supports WLAN via SDIO
- same connector in bottom, but different charger, so not all cables and accessories will work 100% between models i think
Looks very, very good - I have also had a brief play with one.
XL

How do I replace my lost JasJar?

Well, I'm officially an idiot....I left my JJ on the Eurostar on Sunday. And some lucky train sanitation agent has obviously seen it as a good opportunity to make a couple of quid (despite the offer of a reward )
Fortunately, apart from a couple of photos of Paris everything was backed up. I've managed to remote wipe it (Thanks to AKU2), and IIWPO is installed in the ROM (Thanks to XDA-Dev!!) so I'm waiting to see if my wife gets a text message that I can follow up on....
For now though, I've been relegated to using my trusty Tornado. (Although I keep finding myself prodding at the screen with a pencil in a vain attempt to recreate the happy days of PPC ownership....)
Anyway, my question is this:
I found the Universal to be pretty bulky. Not too bad, but I'd prefer something a bit smaller. My choices as I see them are:
1) Get a replacement Universal now and put up with the size.
2) Get a Fujitsu Siemens T830 in July and put up with a puny screen.
3) The HTC Hermes - pretty much exactly what I'm after, but God only knows how long I'll have to wait...and I'm impatient!
Any other sensible suggestions would be very welcome. Are there any other Universal replacements on the horizon that I may have missed?
Thanks!

I think I'm jumping ship to the Mio A701 tomorrow I want more toys (GPS), and can live without keyboard.
Hermes still seems an incremental improvement to me. Nice idea, but not quite what I'm after. And I think it looks a bit poo...
But then, I've still got my Universal, Magician and P900
V

I did consider the Mio. it looks nice and more toys are always good, but I use a lot of 'connected' functions so the lack of WiFi or 3G kills it for me. Looking at that device that led me to finding the T830...
If only the screen of the T830 wasn't so rubbish, I think this would be a no-brainer, but as it is I may stick with a Universal variant (and it's bulk) until something better comes along.
And the Hermes is pretty ugly, It's only a consideration over the T830 because (again) of the better screen. I think I've just been spoiled by the VGA lovliness of my dear departed JasJar, so I don't want to downgrade too far...

Fuji looks very nice. But screen is 240x240? Sigh...
I don't use my Universal much, but I really want a proper handheld with VGA. I'd go blind (it's hard enough to see on the Universal), but 240x240 is bad
Wifi isn't so bad for me, I've got a wifi card. 3G - useful, but I don't use it in the UK really. Does the Benq have a qvga screen? It's old skool, but if screen space is a priority...
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V

Well if i were you i would stuck with the universal, because there isn't another similar phone/pocket pc with the same specs and a VGA screen ! I bought one because it was the only one with the darn VGA screen !!
It only the Atom had a VGA screen... ohh well !!!

You want VGA Screen?
Google this:
Sharp W-Zero3

raymondu999 said:
You want VGA Screen?
Google this:
Sharp W-Zero3
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He probably also wants something he can actually buy. :roll:

I'll be able to live without a VGA screen. Just not sure I want to go as lo-fi as 240x240. Mainly because of software compatibility problems...WM5 has precious little decent software already, without complicating matters further.
If the T830 was QVGA it'd be perfect (well...close enough to perfect!). I think I need to do some research on the problems with square screens, then I'll decide on whether to wait for the T830, or just get another Uni.
Thanks though, I do at least know that I haven't forgotten anything. You wait, when they start releasing Ultraportable PC's with built in 3G and voice capabilities, I'm really going to struggle...!

What about:
Advance TC M.A.G.I.C.?
How about a list of what you REALLY want to be there (at least)

All I want is a PPC with:
-AKU2 (for Push-Mail and A2DP)
-3G and WiFi (for decent connection speeds)
The most important NON-essential features are:
-Keyboard
-QVGA screen (or better)
-GPS
Obviously, I'd appreciate anything over and above that, so the more bolt-ons the better. And yes, something that I have a chance of buying in the UK within the next couple of months would be good.
I realise that limits me to roughly one device that's currently available, but the T830 is on it's way, the Hermes is possibly on it's way, Shame the Trinity will take about a million years to surface (if ever).

Performance gains with TyTn

The HTC TyTn (Orange M3100) will have a 400 Mhz processor. Does this mean that the whole system will operate considerably faster than the Wizard / Prophet, or is the 200 Mhz leap not as massive as it appears (different processor manufacturers)?
I love my Wizard, but it is quite sluggish sometimes and that really is my only criticism. (When sliding the keyboard, the rotating of the screen is really lethargic.)
Cheers

It all depends. I'm not sure on the processor in the Hermes, but it will make a major difference if its a dual-core design like the Wizard running at 400 Mhz versus a single core.
I trust HTC, and its definitely a worthy successor to the Wizard.
Hopefully there will be a way to overclock the Hermes, if it does run a bit poky.

Got my Tytn!
Hey Folks!
On the last weekend, I 've got my Tytn! In Germany it's the O2 Trion. My father has the Wizard and I have to say, that the Tytn is up to 4 times faster then the Wizard.
The 400 Mhz Samsung Prozessor is the fastest Prozessor I 've ever seen on a Windows Mobile Phone!

Bring on the M3100
Well, come on Orange, launch the M3100!!

the M3100 seems to be a different beast http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=138474&tab=1
different keyboard
processor
miniSD??
AND PALM OS :roll:

@MrMarioG:
I have a few questions please
Do you have a feel for battery life yet?
Are you using Direct push?

Well, expansys is wrong again....
http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=3178#article

Sleuth255 said:
@MrMarioG:
I have a few questions please
Do you have a feel for battery life yet?
Are you using Direct push?
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Well, it's kind a hard to explain. Because you know, the first days you will use the device a little bit more as usual. The Battery has lost 45 % of Power after 3 days with factory charge. And I don't have a Storagecard yet. I don't use Direct Push, but use the WLAN module with full power. I also took some pictures with 2 MPixel. HTC has still not the quality of Nokia Phone Cameras but a Macro function integrated.
I only have one Problem so far. The Tytn loses the display calibration 3 times a day.

expansys has a completely different unit! I like the unwired picture best cosmetics of the Tytn so far me thinks....[/quote]

xdaer/Facedanzr: I was at the Modaco meeting. I have to say, the Hermes (or "Herpes" as it was lovingly called by everyone) is a great device - better build quality and feels more compact then the Wizard, but great spec, nice keyboard, wifi etc, 3G - squeeze in a VGA screen and it'd be pretty much perfect. It felt "adequately" fast to me; faster then the Wizard certainly, but I use a Mio A701 and Magician, so I'm used to fast.
A nice device, it'll do very well I'm sure.
However, I have to say, the Samsung was an amazing beast
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beautiful screen, best I've seen on any device - the photos can't do the quality justice. However, smartphone, so no touch screen
V

@MrMarioG:
That's good news on the battery... sounds like it may be close to if not better than a wizard. Keep us posted plz as you get a better feel for it!
That's bad news about your digitizer tho.... hopefully its just a bad TyTN and not an indication of some inherent pblm...

Re: Got my Tytn!
MrMarioG said:
Hey Folks!
On the last weekend, I 've got my Tytn! In Germany it's the O2 Trion. My father has the Wizard and I have to say, that the Tytn is up to 4 times faster then the Wizard.
The 400 Mhz Samsung Prozessor is the fastest Prozessor I 've ever seen on a Windows Mobile Phone!
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MrMarioG, post some pictures of your O2 Trion! It looks lovely in the factory shots, I would love to see some personal shots. You'd be the 1st with some personal shots of the O2 Trion.

Well I took some pictures! I hope I could help so far!

Dood I'm jealous, really nice looking phone with a lot of features too! Thank you for taking your time to post up pictures of the phone!

As these babies starts arriving at the post office I suggest that someone creates a own TyTn Forum.

MrMarioG said:
Well I took some pictures! I hope I could help so far!
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fyi.. this is NOT the TyTN.. this is the O2 Xion XDA.
Same stuff under the hood yes.. but different casing and the keyboard is german, not english style.

Mario could you tell us how low UMTS signal is?

hmmm... at least AKU2.2. Note the clock in the title bar (its not AKU1 btw because this phone is advertised as being Direct Push capable). Could you give us a quick screenshot of the version tab in settings/about please? Also, what are your IPL/SPL revision numbers?

I bored of taking some pictures again!
But I can say, that I have the Aku 2.3 on my device. So says the Device Info in the Settings Menu!
@El_Mar1ach1
What do you meen with "how low UMTS signal is"? It depends on the location. Sometimes I have 3 bars and sometimes I don't have any UMTS Signal!
Maybe I can tell you on September what signal strength I have in Italy on Vodaphone, when I visit my italian aunt!

I'm jealous too... i'm gonna grab one probably in mid august. i like the HERM200 more than the HERM100(pictured in previous) and of what i know so far cingulars gonna be carrying the HERM100 so that means i have to start getting ready to fork over $900 for this beast!

If you hate your universal or if you wanna buy one...

If you hate it :
I've bought myself a NOKIA E61 few days ago and I can say : no Windows Mobile powered phone, including Universal, is even in the same league as E61!!!
If you're fed up with a size and weight of an universal, if you want a RELIABLE and excellent working 3G/Wi-Fi enabled smartphone then look no further.
I was using Windows powered PDA/Phones and smartphones for last few years and now I still can't get used to not having to soft reset my phone AT ALL, that the battery lasts THREE DAYS, that it doesn't hangs up with no reason, that IT JUST WORKS the way it should with brilliant reception and call sound quality.
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I know that maybe I shouldn't say that on this forum, but as an EXEC user since 2005 I just know what the problems with them are.
And if you wanna buy an EXEC:
Mine is for sale
Used, boxed with all accessories, factory unlocked, Windows Mobile 6 installed and running
plus brand new spare battery
plus 4GB Mini SD card with SD adaptor !!
COLLECTION ONLY IN LONDON!!!
Please PM me with your price offers.

Wait few more days or weeks and You ll see how reliable E61 is. My friend bought it few months ago and he have problems with it - mainly with not answered calls and signal drops during conversations. I ve checked many different mobile platforms - standard Symbian, UIQ, pocket pc and palmos treos.
All of them have their own problems. And I always considered windows as the most unstable platform but it really turns out theres no difference. Even few days ago We spoke with my friend about his nokia comm. 9500 and problems he have with this phone.
Seriously - I think those devices are too complicated for now to be absolutely flawless. Such a geeks like us can play with them, upgrade rom countless times etc . but if You need something strud buy normal, simple phone.
In fact I am also tired of endless small problems in my Universal and I am considering to exchange it with IE Motorola K1. Of course I am not completly out of mind and want to buy additionall Fujitsu P1610 as a "neccesarry" addition.
Best regards,
Piotr

I like Symbian phones, but as phones, for PDA devices you still can't beat Windows Mobile.
It's comparing a bicycle to a car, yes, for short distances, they are both good, and in city areas a bike will get you there faster and cheaper, but there are some things you just can't, or at least wouldn't want to do on a bike.
Every device has it's place, if you're so happy with the E61, I would suggest you were using the wrong device for your needs for a long time, rather than the PocketPC's not being very good.

AlanJC said:
I like Symbian phones, but as phones, for PDA devices you still can't beat Windows Mobile.
It's comparing a bicycle to a car, yes, for short distances, they are both good, and in city areas a bike will get you there faster and cheaper, but there are some things you just can't, or at least wouldn't want to do on a bike.
Every device has it's place, if you're so happy with the E61, I would suggest you were using the wrong device for your needs for a long time, rather than the PocketPC's not being very good.
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Well said that man!

Nokia E61 would have been awesome if it had touch screen.

DaVince said:
Nokia E61 would have been awesome if it had touch screen.
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how true... how true... I've had an HP h6315, and now an iMate JasJar... Ever since the HP, I can't get along with an "untouchable" screen! I even put my fingers on my friends Sony Ericssons' screen before I say "sorry for the fingerprint, man, I though I was a touchscreen" ;-)
The Nokie 6270 is pretty good, especially with its VGA camcording @ 30FPS with digital zoom! Wish it was more "PC-like" and "touchable" ;-)