I finally managed to unlock my XDA, now I can truly say to be a proud XDA mobile owner in Italy! ;-)
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I was too excited to wait for the delivery of a serial cable from the States and I tried to use the cradle circuit (to open it you need a special screw driver to lift the 4 screw hidden underneath the 4 rubbers).
*** IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT DON'T USE THIS SYSTEM ***
you could seriously damage the cradle circuit and XDA!! Not jocking....
I connected the wire of the 9pin rs232 to the beige connector on the cradle circuit as follow (please note that the connection of only the first 3 lines below didn't work for me):
[Con2 is the beige connector, pins are counted form the left facing it]
XDA-----Con2---RS232
2 (gnd)---1st--- 5(gnd)
8 (txd)---4th--- 2 (rxd)
10(rxd)---7th--- 3 (txd)
6(dcd)----2nd--- 4 (dtr)
7 (cts)----3rd----7 (rts)
9 (rts)----5th----8 (cts)
11(dtr)---8th----6 (dsr, dcd)
Note that the last connection really made the difference for me (thanks XDA Dev. Peter Poelman!!).
I experienced problems when using Manipulator with my Notebook, it was just sitting on "scanning" mode looking for the com port...
Using HyperTerminal I could receive from XDA but not able to send command.
I eventually tried Manipulator with my desktop PC and... GOT IT!!! The com port has been found in 4 second, and after having pressed on "unlock" I was UNLOCKED in less then 1 minute!!! Yippiieeeeee!
Still don't know if the problem was:
- XDA with low battery charge
- a false connection on the serial cable
- or a problem with my notebook
But this is not important anymore now ;-)
Thanks a lot to all XDA-Developers for the great job with Manipulator and for this great forum!
Hope this msg will make life easier also for some new XDA user.
Mav2
Respect !!
You can have problems with rs-232 on laptops for the following reason.
a 'real' RS-232 voltages of 12v (+&-). Some laptops just procude 5V levels and if the other side stricktly implements RS232 it just will not work. To come back to your list: I doubt if it was the battery charge. You could argue wether it was a 'false connection' or a 'problem' with your notebook' but in a way the last two were right.
For RS232 the advice is always to first use it on a desktop system before using a laptop.
It's a great mod and thanks for the description.
Robert
@mav2
hi,
i have just unloked my ppc,was locked to T-mobile.
i have been strugling for 2days with the pin outs shown in page ''connecters''.i make 3cables with different pinout but does not work,
then i read ur post and thought,no harm to give it a try,,,,,and u know,,it works like a MAGIC .......good.
thanks and thanks again, for sharing ur experience.
and for the mods of this forum..plz put these correct and easy pinout on their page ,without getting involved in hassel ,for male or female connector.
any way i found this forum very helpful with very nice pplz.
best regards
pervaiz.
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:shock: Is it possible to use the serial cable for he iPAQ for the O2 XDA?
Thank you for any help.
Fredy said:
Is it possible to use the serial cable for he iPAQ for the O2 XDA?
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No, not without modifying the cable. Everything is connected to different connector pins on the XDA, relative to the iPaq. The connectors page on this site has all the details.
http://xda-developers.com/connectors
no, you have to modify it
As always the XDA-developers solution works.
I have changed an IPAQ cable according to information on the prementioned page and it works flawless.
Just make sure you:
- have a fine tipped soldering iron
- a steady hand
- patience
- patience
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Use an ohmmeter (or just a battery and a light) and two VERY finetipped 'probes' (I used two needles :lol: ) and check every pin on the connector against the two pins on each side to see if they have a connection or not. It's a simple but effective way to prevent damage to your XDA just because you overlooked a connection.
Robert
XDA developer You are a clever people, all many thanks, shall probe change the cable from iPAQ.
:lol: With many thanks for help!!!!!!
Fredy.
climber i want to modify an ipaq usb cable to use it for synchronization with my XDA II. Can you provide me with some detalis? I don't understand what conectors i need to change from that link. I prefere something like "pin1 to pin3" or something like that.
Yesterday i purchased an XDA II, I have TomTom, and a Garmin GPS Map 76 S.
Garmin unit works perfectly on my Laptop with Navigator software.
While at the store purchasing the XDA2 i also purchased the Serial Cable, Part No AHTX2SCN.
The end of the serial cable and the GPS cable are both Male outputs, but i managed to gerry rig a cable to connect them together.
TomTom shows a few ports, infrared, BT on com6, Serial Cable on Com1 com9, com2, serial on usb.
When i try to use Com1, the port is not available.
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this ( i cant see how to disable infrared) or any suggestions as to what GPS receiver to use instead of the garmin.
Thanks.
Go to settings/connections/beams, make sure beams is unchecked. Also you may need to add a null modem adaptor between the serial cable and the xda2 cable, or you can cross over the wires by desoldering , on the serial end swap over lines 2 and 3, in other words desolder 2 and 3, put 3 where 2 was and put 2 where 3 was.
Initially there was nowhere to untick "beams", now there is and it is unchecked, i never unchecked it, and can't explain why it was like this, the XDA has been acting strange though, locking up, being very slow etc.
I will look for a null modem adaptor, and report any success or lack of back here.
xda2user said:
Initially there was nowhere to untick "beams", now there is and it is unchecked, i never unchecked it, and can't explain why it was like this, the XDA has been acting strange though, locking up, being very slow etc.
I will look for a null modem adaptor, and report any success or lack of back here.
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Apart from the "beam" issue, you must have a "proper" null modem adapter.
It should work.
It works
Finally i got the GPS to work with some parts from Maplins ( try Radio Shack outside of the UK)
Using the Serial Lead i described above, i purchased the following items from Maplin, the guys there were very helpful, letting me take the follwoing configuration outside to check if it worked.
I purchased the follwoing :-
Low profile 9W Male to Male Gender Changer part number JW57M. I needed 2 of those. (basically two small gender changers)
9 way Null F-F 2m part No VD76. (basically a null modem cable).
Connected them all up, and GPS now works. The resulting lead is a bit untidy / long, but for now i've just used plastic ties to tidy it up a little.
Total cost of the above parts was just short of £15.
Hope this helps someone.
www.maplin.co.uk for online ordering, or 0870 264 6000 so it says on the parts.
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xda2user said:
Finally i got the GPS to work with some parts from Maplins ( try Radio Shack outside of the UK)
Using the Serial Lead i described above, i purchased the following items from Maplin, the guys there were very helpful, letting me take the follwoing configuration outside to check if it worked.
I purchased the follwoing :-
Low profile 9W Male to Male Gender Changer part number JW57M. I needed 2 of those. (basically two small gender changers)
9 way Null F-F 2m part No VD76. (basically a null modem cable).
Connected them all up, and GPS now works. The resulting lead is a bit untidy / long, but for now i've just used plastic ties to tidy it up a little.
Total cost of the above parts was just short of £15.
Hope this helps someone.
www.maplin.co.uk for online ordering, or 0870 264 6000 so it says on the parts.
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You could have got a very tiny male>male null modem adapter from us for $5.90, or a slightly bigger one from Expansys for £2.94 !
You can do this a lot cheaper.
Several possibilities:
- buy a plug for the Qtek @ http://www.gomadic.com/ipconplug38s.html and one for the Garmin GPS @ http://www.pfranc.com and a short piece of shielded wire. You just have to connect 2 wires (Tx from the Garmin to Rx from the Qtek), and this works very well.
- for those who find the connector of the Qtek to small: buy a regular serial cable, cut off the 9 pin connector and solder a Pfranc in place.
There are a lot more possibilities, like powering everything from one source (GPS and Qtek). And price is a lot lower than ready made stuff...
i use to have an XDA before and still have the serial cable, will i be able to use this with the XDA 2 or are the leads ment to be different.
from the roadangel to the XDA 2 i am planning to use the serial cable. with a gender changer.
the roadangel will output data both at 9600bps, 4800bps, any idea which i should select?
thanx!
Holux produce a cable which powers the Road Angel and XDA2 from a single power source, it also connects the RA to the XDA for sending GPS data.
It costs about £25, I use it with Tomtom and it works a treat.
Good luck
The serial cable should work ok with xda1 and xda2.
Oops, sorry missed a bit from my earlier post. Even though the serial cable works with the xda1 and xda2 for connecting to a PC, it doesn't work connecting to the Road Angel on it's own. Not only do you need a gender changer, you also need a null modem cable as well - when it's all connected together you end up with a mesh of cables on your dashboard which just looks a mess and if you are really lucky it might even work.
I must confess I tried all the various cable combinations as described above and didn't end up with any joy, I then contacted Holux - their cable worked straight out of the box. The one thing I would recommend if you decided to go with the Holux solution is to specify the cable lengths to them when ordering as different lengths are required for different cars, I was lucky as the default length worked OK for me but I’m sure this won’t be the same for everyone.
Just for information – I believe Holux actually manufacture the GPS within the Road Angel, hence this is why they produce the cable.
As before – Good Luck
excellent m8 have you got any source for Holux or is it a guy / wesbite / company?
and the model of the lead will do pls
you have been a great help m8!
YOU ARE THE DON, thanx m8, ive found it!
Hi there
Part of my job envolves monitoring data from various sensors, this involves booting my laptop, pluging it in, cause the battery fecked, hookin to the sensor, 3 seconds to check the data then pack it all away again.
I think I`ve found a Hyperterminal for ppc called vxhpc, looks like it has the right functions.
I have opened a plug that I have that connects to the bottom plug, and I can see 22 pins, but I dont know which one does what.
I`m after com1 wiring I think, it will mostly be RS232 signals that I`m monitoring.
The options in the software are:
Serial cable on com1
CAM1
IR Port
Com2 Serial on usb
there are a few more.
I assume serial on com1 is the obvious choice, but you guys and gals will know better than me.
So the pin outs of the bottom connector, and if anyone knows of a better software, that would be fanastic.
The telnet part, I also have some telnet software called Mini Telnet, Many of the systems I work on control ship engines and thruster, If i could connect to the engine managment system network via the XDA2S, I could, In theory, control the ships movement, and monitor the system aswell.
Unfortunatly, due to saftey reasons, all networks on ships are hardwired.
Is it possible to connect from the bottom plug to a network hub ?????
If so, do you know how ?
Thanks for all your help
All the best
Nikki
just noticed, the Wallaby and Himalaya have the same wiring, does this mean, chances are the blue angel is the same again ? maybe ??
okay, i have been investigating a wee bit, my findings so far, this is about the telnet side of things, if I`mwrong anywhere, please correct me.
Taken from the wiki site
5 ANALOG GND
6 RS232_DCD
7 RS232_CTS
8 RS232_TXD
9 RS232_RTS
10 RS232_RXD
11 RS232_DTR
So, RJ-45 to DB9 pc comport
rj 45 side -------------------XDA2s Side
1 DCD------------------------6 DCD
2 DSR------------------------?? DSR, i dont see this one on the list, is it important ?
3 DTR-------------------------11 DTR
4 SigGnd----------------------5 SigGnd, Plenty of these
5 TXD-------------------------10 RXD ???
6 RXD-------------------------8 TXD???do i have these the right way around ?
7 CTS-------------------------7 CTS
8 RTS-------------------------9 RTS
So, does this look about right ? and how important is the DSR signal, I`m unsure of it puropse.
Like I said, if you see anything wrong, at all, please post
cheers
nikki
If using com 1 make sure you have beams switched off in settings/connections, also disable any external keyboard driver if present as this too will take com 1.
Hello everybody,
first of all, I want to apologize myself for my questions, because they are often discussed in several forums (USB-RS232).
BUT I did not find a solution. Sometimes I found "it works" and sometimes for the same problem "no chance". Enough ;-)
I'm writing a program in VB.net to log
1) all data from the GPS at COM4 and
2) all data from an acceleration sensor which might be connected via the USB-Port of my XDA Orbit (HTC Artemis).
Logging the GPS-data is no problem excepted the speed of the Sirf star III Chip. Can it update faster than 1sec?
My main problem is the connection to the sensor. I know that port of the XDA is an USB-Client. The data I receive from the development-board is sent via RS232-out.
My question:
Is it possible to get those data-strings into the xda to log them via the existing USB-port? How can I implement it?
Can I connect the USB-plug and the RS232 like I found several times in this forum? Does it work???
The solution of this project is very important for me.
For everybodys help, I am very grateful.
Thank you very much.
Greetings from Germany
Dee
If I understand you correctly, you wish to connect an RS232 output to the mini USB connector on your device and log the serial data coming into the USB port? Yes, this is possible, but not without a PIC microcontroller in between. RS232 runs on, IIRC, +9v/-9v, while USB runs on +5v. If you directly plug an RS232 output into your USB input without anything in between you very well might fry your phone. I don't recommend it.
Fortunately, RS232 to USB devices are easily found, both schematics and pre-made adapters.
A quick Google search found this schematic:
http://pinouts.ru/SerialPortsCables/usb_serial_adapter_pinout.shtml
fluxist
Hi fluxist,
thank you for your answer. It sounds very good to me. But does it work with an USB-Client-PDA?
Thanx a lot.
Greetings
Dee
USB Client to rs232
Hellow
If You want "USB Client to rs232" interface please contact me([email protected]). I can produce it for You. I Use this converter in many PDA projects.
Best regards
RBA