I finally managed to unlock my XDA, now I can truly say to be a proud XDA mobile owner in Italy! ;-)
[was "Serial cable using craddle: having problem with Manipulator"
http://xda-developers.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=633]
I was too excited to wait for the delivery of a serial cable from the States and I tried to use the cradle circuit (to open it you need a special screw driver to lift the 4 screw hidden underneath the 4 rubbers).
*** IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT DON'T USE THIS SYSTEM ***
you could seriously damage the cradle circuit and XDA!! Not jocking....
I connected the wire of the 9pin rs232 to the beige connector on the cradle circuit as follow (please note that the connection of only the first 3 lines below didn't work for me):
[Con2 is the beige connector, pins are counted form the left facing it]
XDA-----Con2---RS232
2 (gnd)---1st--- 5(gnd)
8 (txd)---4th--- 2 (rxd)
10(rxd)---7th--- 3 (txd)
6(dcd)----2nd--- 4 (dtr)
7 (cts)----3rd----7 (rts)
9 (rts)----5th----8 (cts)
11(dtr)---8th----6 (dsr, dcd)
Note that the last connection really made the difference for me (thanks XDA Dev. Peter Poelman!!).
I experienced problems when using Manipulator with my Notebook, it was just sitting on "scanning" mode looking for the com port...
Using HyperTerminal I could receive from XDA but not able to send command.
I eventually tried Manipulator with my desktop PC and... GOT IT!!! The com port has been found in 4 second, and after having pressed on "unlock" I was UNLOCKED in less then 1 minute!!! Yippiieeeeee!
Still don't know if the problem was:
- XDA with low battery charge
- a false connection on the serial cable
- or a problem with my notebook
But this is not important anymore now ;-)
Thanks a lot to all XDA-Developers for the great job with Manipulator and for this great forum!
Hope this msg will make life easier also for some new XDA user.
Mav2
Respect !!
You can have problems with rs-232 on laptops for the following reason.
a 'real' RS-232 voltages of 12v (+&-). Some laptops just procude 5V levels and if the other side stricktly implements RS232 it just will not work. To come back to your list: I doubt if it was the battery charge. You could argue wether it was a 'false connection' or a 'problem' with your notebook' but in a way the last two were right.
For RS232 the advice is always to first use it on a desktop system before using a laptop.
It's a great mod and thanks for the description.
Robert
@mav2
hi,
i have just unloked my ppc,was locked to T-mobile.
i have been strugling for 2days with the pin outs shown in page ''connecters''.i make 3cables with different pinout but does not work,
then i read ur post and thought,no harm to give it a try,,,,,and u know,,it works like a MAGIC .......good.
thanks and thanks again, for sharing ur experience.
and for the mods of this forum..plz put these correct and easy pinout on their page ,without getting involved in hassel ,for male or female connector.
any way i found this forum very helpful with very nice pplz.
best regards
pervaiz.
i use to have an XDA before and still have the serial cable, will i be able to use this with the XDA 2 or are the leads ment to be different.
from the roadangel to the XDA 2 i am planning to use the serial cable. with a gender changer.
the roadangel will output data both at 9600bps, 4800bps, any idea which i should select?
thanx!
Holux produce a cable which powers the Road Angel and XDA2 from a single power source, it also connects the RA to the XDA for sending GPS data.
It costs about £25, I use it with Tomtom and it works a treat.
Good luck
The serial cable should work ok with xda1 and xda2.
Oops, sorry missed a bit from my earlier post. Even though the serial cable works with the xda1 and xda2 for connecting to a PC, it doesn't work connecting to the Road Angel on it's own. Not only do you need a gender changer, you also need a null modem cable as well - when it's all connected together you end up with a mesh of cables on your dashboard which just looks a mess and if you are really lucky it might even work.
I must confess I tried all the various cable combinations as described above and didn't end up with any joy, I then contacted Holux - their cable worked straight out of the box. The one thing I would recommend if you decided to go with the Holux solution is to specify the cable lengths to them when ordering as different lengths are required for different cars, I was lucky as the default length worked OK for me but I’m sure this won’t be the same for everyone.
Just for information – I believe Holux actually manufacture the GPS within the Road Angel, hence this is why they produce the cable.
As before – Good Luck
excellent m8 have you got any source for Holux or is it a guy / wesbite / company?
and the model of the lead will do pls
you have been a great help m8!
YOU ARE THE DON, thanx m8, ive found it!
Hi all,
yesterday my Universal fell from the table on the ground, and it fell directly onto the USB cable connector, which was plugged into the device at the moment. So now, the USB port on my Universal is acting pretty weird, it moves from side to side and it accepts the charger cable only under a very specific angle, so it is pretty difficult to plug the charger cable in correctly. I am going to get it repaired soon, but I want to backup my data first. The problem is, that the broken USB doesn't let me connect the device to my PC, as even if the status LED lights up as if it was connected and charging, I get the "device not recognised" error on my computer. Does anyone have an idea that could help me please? Thanks a lot in advance,
Longlife
Longlife said:
Hi all,
yesterday my Universal fell from the table on the ground, and it fell directly onto the USB cable connector, which was plugged into the device at the moment. So now, the USB port on my Universal is acting pretty weird, it moves from side to side and it accepts the charger cable only under a very specific angle, so it is pretty difficult to plug the charger cable in correctly. I am going to get it repaired soon, but I want to backup my data first. The problem is, that the broken USB doesn't let me connect the device to my PC, as even if the status LED lights up as if it was connected and charging, I get the "device not recognised" error on my computer. Does anyone have an idea that could help me please? Thanks a lot in advance,
Longlife
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I would say download the trial version of Spb backup, and copy the CAB installer to your SD-card via an card reader on the PC. This way you don't need the USB connection. You can make a self-extractable full backup, just make sure that you have the same ROM installed before restoring. I hope this helps .
oh then get it fixed lol
i paid £10 for mine to be fixed (came straight off main board) from a local phone repairers
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I would say download the trial version of Spb backup, and copy the CAB installer to your SD-card via an card reader on the PC. This way you don't need the USB connection. You can make a self-extractable full backup, just make sure that you have the same ROM installed before restoring. I hope this helps .
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Thanks a lot, I will try it as soon as I come back home from school
daddy k said:
oh then get it fixed lol
i paid £10 for mine to be fixed (came straight off main board) from a local phone repairers
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Yeah, I'm going to get it fixed for sure but I don't want to risk losing my data if the mechanic did a hard reset or something.
Same problem, without the fall
My USB connector started acting up a couple of days ago. It's strange, because I dropped it once, but worked fine afterwards. Now, I need to jiggle the cable aruond for a bit before it actually makes contact
What do you think, how long does it take for them to fix it in a repair shop. Could I possibly wait for it to be finished?
I would suggest getting a Universal Battery Mobile Charger to charge the battery and a USB bluetooth adapter for the computer to sync.
Then if you decide to get it fixed just make sure it's from a reputable repair center. After the repair, I still suggest using the mobile Charger and USB dongle to charge and sync to lessen the stress on miniusb. Goodluck!
Reputable it will be! The T-Mobile shop I purchased it at!
And how long do you think it will take for them to fix it(the repair shop is right in the back of the store...)?
Four days ago, I took the phone to a one of a very few QTEK services in the Czech Republic and they promised to make me an price offer of the repair. They sent me an e-mail yesterday, and the price was..14,026 CZK, which is about 500 EUR accoridng to today's rates. They said that the whole motherboard needed to be replaced, because one part of it had been nicked. Anyway, I bought the phone on ebay for about 400 EUR and I am not really going to pay such a huge amount of money for the repair (I can get a brand new Universal for this price..or even cheaper). Do you think it's possible that the service was either mistaken or lied to me to make a higher profit? And, if a part of the motherboard really is snapped off, do you think it would be possible to fix it somehow? Thanks a lot,
Longlife
clemsyn said:
I would suggest getting a Universal Battery Mobile Charger to charge the battery and a USB bluetooth adapter for the computer to sync.
Then if you decide to get it fixed just make sure it's from a reputable repair center. After the repair, I still suggest using the mobile Charger and USB dongle to charge and sync to lessen the stress on miniusb. Goodluck!
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Thanks, if I don't manage to get it fixed (see my last post) I'll probably do that. btw, I didn't see a BT connection option in my ActiveSync (and I think I have the latest version), do I need a special plugin or a different piece of software for the sync? Thanks,
Longlife
sorry,for writing in slovak,its easier and faster and longlife understands.
nazdar oprava tu v UK stoji asi 20gbp, odporucam ti v cexax najst nejaky mobil servis, tu na ftp najdes man na rozobratie uniho, a skus si cez net kupit usbfemale(vsetky su standartne). xod do sevisu a skus ix ukecatnex ti to opravia.btw mas ho v zaruke este?
If you want to use BT to sync, you'll need to map virtual serial ports to your adapter(this can be usually done from within the adapter's program, like BlueSoleil), and the configure ActiveSync to accept connections from that port. Afterwards, you need to start ActiveSync on your MDA, and select "Connect via Bluetooth", and voilá.
The catch is, you can't sync music this way. But that might be the smallest of your worries
phsnake said:
sorry,for writing in slovak,its easier and faster and longlife understands.
nazdar oprava tu v UK stoji asi 20gbp, odporucam ti v cexax najst nejaky mobil servis, tu na ftp najdes man na rozobratie uniho, a skus si cez net kupit usbfemale(vsetky su standartne). xod do sevisu a skus ix ukecatnex ti to opravia.btw mas ho v zaruke este?
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Sorry for writing in Czech, but..you know
Kupoval sem to na ebay od nákýho němce, mám to ještě v záruce ale u německýho T-Mobile a dostávat to do jejich servisu by asi nebylo uplně jednoduchý. Každopádně si od něj nechám ty záruční papíry poslat a zkusim zatim obejít pár servisů tady v Praze. Dík moc
mzalan said:
If you want to use BT to sync, you'll need to map virtual serial ports to your adapter(this can be usually done from within the adapter's program, like BlueSoleil), and the configure ActiveSync to accept connections from that port. Afterwards, you need to start ActiveSync on your MDA, and select "Connect via Bluetooth", and voilá.
The catch is, you can't sync music this way. But that might be the smallest of your worries
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Hi,
Can you please explain how to do it in BlueSoleil?
I have BlueSoleil (legal), and I've been reading, and trying everything, for hours, without success.
I've managed to get a bt connection between my laptop and my Universal, and one of the available service is indeed ActiveSync. And I can see AS trying to connect, when I click on "Connect via Bluetooth" in my PPC. But then it just stops, and my Uni says it didn't find a partnership with ActiveSync.
Any help, please?
TIA
Longlife said:
Thanks, if I don't manage to get it fixed (see my last post) I'll probably do that. btw, I didn't see a BT connection option in my ActiveSync (and I think I have the latest version), do I need a special plugin or a different piece of software for the sync? Thanks,
Longlife
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Initially you have to open a COM port for the Bluetooth Serial Settings..and then when you open the COM port (like COM 5 or something), go to active sync Connections Settings and then check "Allow connections to following" and then choose the COM port of the Bluetooth Serial Settings (like COM 5 depending on what COM port you put the BT serial settings).
This might buy you some time till prices go down and you could have it repair for lower price.
GOODLUCK!
clemsyn said:
Initially you have to open a COM port for the Bluetooth Serial Settings..and then when you open the COM port (like COM 5 or something), go to active sync Connections Settings and then check "Allow connections to following" and then choose the COM port of the Bluetooth Serial Settings (like COM 5 depending on what COM port you put the BT serial settings).
This might buy you some time till prices go down and you could have it repair for lower price.
GOODLUCK!
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Thanks Just one more thing..I will probably not be able to flash new ROM via BT, or will I?
Sorry no flashing via bluetooth only via USB. Not sure though if you can do it via SD if somebody builds an image of the ROM you want in SD then use that but not familiar with it on Universal.
Hello
I hqd the same problem happening to me : the connection between the mini USB and the motherboard were severed. I used stripping wire to redo the connections, and hot glue to make sure they don't break again.
You can certainly do the same. Please tell me if you need a spare mini USB connector to replace your broken one (got one ! you can also find one in any cheap USB reader)
Guylhem
Hi,
many thanks for your idea! I recently gave the phone to my grandmother's former student, who is an amateur electrotechnic. Hopefully, he will manage to mend it and if not, I will surely try what you have suggested. Just one thing..don't you need a special screwdriver to get into the phone?
Thanks, Longlife
guylhem said:
Hello
I hqd the same problem happening to me : the connection between the mini USB and the motherboard were severed. I used stripping wire to redo the connections, and hot glue to make sure they don't break again.
You can certainly do the same. Please tell me if you need a spare mini USB connector to replace your broken one (got one ! you can also find one in any cheap USB reader)
Guylhem
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Longlife said:
Hi,
many thanks for your idea! I recently gave the phone to my grandmother's former student, who is an amateur electrotechnic. Hopefully, he will manage to mend it and if not, I will surely try what you have suggested. Just one thing..don't you need a special screwdriver to get into the phone?
Thanks, Longlife
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There are instructions on how to take the phone apart on the FTP server. Follow them carefully!
Hello everybody,
first of all, I want to apologize myself for my questions, because they are often discussed in several forums (USB-RS232).
BUT I did not find a solution. Sometimes I found "it works" and sometimes for the same problem "no chance". Enough ;-)
I'm writing a program in VB.net to log
1) all data from the GPS at COM4 and
2) all data from an acceleration sensor which might be connected via the USB-Port of my XDA Orbit (HTC Artemis).
Logging the GPS-data is no problem excepted the speed of the Sirf star III Chip. Can it update faster than 1sec?
My main problem is the connection to the sensor. I know that port of the XDA is an USB-Client. The data I receive from the development-board is sent via RS232-out.
My question:
Is it possible to get those data-strings into the xda to log them via the existing USB-port? How can I implement it?
Can I connect the USB-plug and the RS232 like I found several times in this forum? Does it work???
The solution of this project is very important for me.
For everybodys help, I am very grateful.
Thank you very much.
Greetings from Germany
Dee
If I understand you correctly, you wish to connect an RS232 output to the mini USB connector on your device and log the serial data coming into the USB port? Yes, this is possible, but not without a PIC microcontroller in between. RS232 runs on, IIRC, +9v/-9v, while USB runs on +5v. If you directly plug an RS232 output into your USB input without anything in between you very well might fry your phone. I don't recommend it.
Fortunately, RS232 to USB devices are easily found, both schematics and pre-made adapters.
A quick Google search found this schematic:
http://pinouts.ru/SerialPortsCables/usb_serial_adapter_pinout.shtml
fluxist
Hi fluxist,
thank you for your answer. It sounds very good to me. But does it work with an USB-Client-PDA?
Thanx a lot.
Greetings
Dee
USB Client to rs232
Hellow
If You want "USB Client to rs232" interface please contact me([email protected]). I can produce it for You. I Use this converter in many PDA projects.
Best regards
RBA
Hi , guys, now ,my X7500 can not link to My PC , the note is "unknow device, pls try again", i send the phone to the cellshop, the egngineer said ,the synchronization IC has been broken!
who can give a help ?
where are i can find some interanl pictures of X7500?
http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/razbor_htc_athena/
rorydaredkign said:
http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/razbor_htc_athena/
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thanks, but i can not open the site, could you pls give me other adress?
dear, who can help me ?it is very urgent !!!!!
Who can help ?
My car's white - how fast does it go?
And now for some more detail:-
Is the error coming up from Windows, or ActiveSync?
What OS and ActiveSync version are you using?
Have you ever been able to sync?
What ROM is your device using?
Are you using USB or Bluetooth Sync?
If its ActiveSync, you could try deleting any existing profiles within the Application and trying again.
Have you tried both a soft and hard reset of the phone?
Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling ActiveSync?
Have you got the latest version of ActiveSync?
Have you tried synchronising over bluetooth instead of USB (or vice-versa)?
Have you tried google to resolve your problem?
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My car's white - how fast does it go?
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That made me laugh right out loud!
it is ok before 15th,Feb.the software and device is ok.
but some time ,the USB port is not stable , you need to put a book above the USB cable.
one day , the device can not link to PC whatever i shake the cable.i change
a new USB part of the device , but it can not working yet.
the repairer said, the control IC has broken , is it right ?
nmurphy said:
That made me laugh right out loud!
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Tis an old quote passed down to me as a junior IT tech from the wizards of the mainframe, and illustrates the point perfectly I think.
Veron_fat - when you say you have "change a new USB part of the device", is that the USB cable, or the Mini-USB port on the device?? I had a fault with my first charger where the connection eventually went wrong within the connector on the cable - swapped it out with a new charger and all was well again. I have however also broken an Axim x50v sync port with too much flexing - the connector broke the solder ports on the mobo.
I'd be surprised if you'd broken the IC - can someone else advise if my memory is correct and the USB device controller is integrated into the main CPU. Is this also shared with the USB host controller? I'm thinking that if Veron_fat has the 4 in 1 USB cable, he can test that to see if it is the IC, or the port that is at fault.
I do think though Veron that you've buggered the port, and it will either be a resolder on the port by a skilled electronics engineer, or a new mobo.
Digital.Diablo said:
Tis an old quote passed down to me as a junior IT tech from the wizards of the mainframe, and illustrates the point perfectly I think.
Veron_fat - when you say you have "change a new USB part of the device", is that the USB cable, or the Mini-USB port on the device?? .........
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1. it is the Mini usb port in device
2. i change more than 4 piece usb cable
3. you mean this divice have not the sperate IC for synchronization?
4. all information from the phone repairer ,i donot belive his voice , but i just want to get some picture of internal view of u1000 to check if there have some IC or something......
veron_fat said:
1. it is the Mini usb port in device
2. i change more than 4 piece usb cable
3. you mean this divice have not the sperate IC for synchronization?
4. all information from the phone repairer ,i donot belive his voice , but i just want to get some picture of internal view of u1000 to check if there have some IC or something......
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Why not just send it back to HTC for repairs/diagnostics? It might only cost you shipping. Just my 2 cents.
tootallk2000 said:
Why not just send it back to HTC for repairs/diagnostics? It might only cost you shipping. Just my 2 cents.
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yes, but i have not the guarantee, i am not sure if they can repair this device.
who can give me a adress for the X7500 internal picture!!!
i want to see the stomach!!
I have a PDF of a repair Manuel if you would like it. I uploaded to this link. I hope it helps...TJ
"http://www.mediafire.com/?baidzmnlgow"
TrekkerJmm said:
I have a PDF of a repair Manuel if you would like it. I uploaded to this link. I hope it helps...TJ
"http://www.mediafire.com/?baidzmnlgow"
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thanks, try it!