I was reading that "review" of the tablet on engadget and they say that the 16gb is gonna be $499 and the 32gb $599.
Is this accurate?
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From what I have seen. Yes
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I concur, those are the prices Samsung announced at CTIA for the wifi only version.
The GT 8.9 (early summer release) is priced $30 less the the GT 10.1.
However, Samsung may come out with a lower price to compete with the Transformer.
Some samsung exec was quoted saying 399$ at google io.... Oh how I hope thats the case.
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It's probably not.
Yeah I remember reading that somewhere...
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Some samsung exec was quoted saying 399$ at google io.... Oh how I hope thats the case.
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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In all reality, to get people like me's sale... I know its a nicer case / form factor / build quality than the transformer, but if the price is 100$ more... i'm going to have a hard time justifying that.
Not to mention they could take the ipad2 by storm by coming in 100$ less.
Either way I guess i'm going to wait until they actually hit the release date and not just preorder before I decide to go with this or the transformer...
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
I disagree, I don't think we can compare toe to toe with laptop like that.
x86 tech vs ARM tech is completely different.
1GB RAM for x86 vs 1GB RAM for ARM should not be the same.
And the touch screen itself can be the deciding factor on the price!
Also the screen technology, IPS display, PLS display, TFT, SLCD ... Gorilla Glass, King Kong glass, etc.
You should know that high end screen tech like IPS and PLS are expensive!
Try to make a laptop with that spec
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I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
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dscline said:
I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
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This is the premium we've always paid for miniaturization. Some people will give the same argument about laptops over desktops. There is always the price to pay to make things smaller, lighter, and more portable.
Also while the hardware specs are lower, the software requirements are also lower.
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But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
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The Transformer is a cool tablet. I did enjoy it. But in my eyes it has a lot of small flaws and quality issues. But probably worst is I didn't care for it's form factor and overall design. Too wide, ugly bezel, crap speakers in poor position. The microSD, mini HDMI, and keyboard dock together just doesn't quite make up for all the other problems I had with the Transformer.
Form factor is huge. I have to hold this thing in my hands and may do it for two or three hours at a time. It's got to be something I want to hold. The Transformer was certainly lighter than the Xoom. But it still wasn't something I was all that crazy about holding.
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The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
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The Galaxy Tab went up for pre-order at jr.com for $500-$600, so I think the rumor is dead.
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x86 tech vs ARM tech is completely different.
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I agree. x86 is going to be more expensive, especially once you consider they typically come with a heatsink/fan, and often require a separate video processor.
1GB RAM for x86 vs 1GB RAM for ARM should not be the same.
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RAM is RAM. But it's more expensive in a laptop because they typically have more, and they are typically in a slot with an access panel, etc., rather than directly soldered on the main board.
And the touch screen itself can be the deciding factor on the price!
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You think a capacitive touchscreen costs significantly more to produce than a mechanical keyboard + touchpad?
[/quote]Also the screen technology, IPS display, PLS display, TFT, SLCD ... Gorilla Glass, King Kong glass, etc. You should know that high end screen tech like IPS and PLS are expensive!
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There are laptops with IPS screens already. Even on the ones that don't, a typical laptop is going to have around 50% more screen area, or more. That's likely going to more than offset any product cost difference in screen technologies. And glass?!? Do you really think a small sheet of gorrilla glass is expensive, when buying 100k of them? These things you list are fairly trivial when you compare the cost to manufacture something that is mechanically much more complex, with removable hard drives, upgradable memory, removable batteries, active cooling systems, etc.
But we'll see where the prices of tablets go over the next couple of years, vs. laptops. ;-)
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This is the premium we've always paid for miniaturization. Some people will give the same argument about laptops over desktops. There is always the price to pay to make things smaller, lighter, and more portable.
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I agree with this to an extent, but in the case of a tablet, it is a fairly monolithic device. It can cost more to make something mechanically complex smaller, but a tablet can be produced cheaper than a laptop, because it's just a sandwich of mostly immobile components. They will retain a premium until competition ramps up, and the price starts to be dictated by how cheap they can produce them while still making a profit, rather than what they can sell them for just because there's suddenly a huge demand for them.
Also while the hardware specs are lower, the software requirements are also lower.
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Understood. But that doesn't change the fact that a much more complex CPU costs more to produce than a simple one. And Honeycomb costs lest than Windows 7. ;-)
The Transformer is a cool tablet. I did enjoy it. But in my eyes it has a lot of small flaws and quality issues.
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Yes, I don't discount that. But some have claimed great build quality with their transformers. So it seems more of an issue of quality control, rather than inherent component quality. That could simply be an issue of Asus trying to push these out as fast as they can right now. They KNOW the clock is ticking. Competition is right on their heels. They're trying to sell as many as they can while they have a relatively captive audience. Right now, they are going for MSRP, or more. I don't know about you, but I rarely pay MSRP on consumer electronic devices. If it's not at least 25% below MSRP, I don't feel like I'm getting a good deal. And you can bet these will quickly get to 25% below, and even lower, as competition ramps up. Everyone is trying to sell these as fast as they can while they can still enjoy that premium. We can't yet say Samsung won't also have some issues in the beginning.
But probably worst is I didn't care for it's form factor and overall design. Too wide... Form factor is huge
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Yes, I understand, which is exactly why I was waiting to see where the Samsung price fell. I too would like something slimmer, I just don't think it's prudent for me to pay $100 more for it at this stage in the market. Tegra3 is supposed to come out this fall, Samsung has already shown prototypes of 2560x1600 superbright 10.1" displays.... this market is in the infant stage, and will likely mature a lot over the next couple of years. It seems more wise for ME to be frugal at this point, because I'll likely want to upgrade in a year or so.
The Transformer was certainly lighter than the Xoom. But it still wasn't something I was all that crazy about holding.
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And look at the size of the Viewsonic before that. These things have evolved very quickly over the past 6 months. Samsung's tablet got downsized before it even got released!
The Galaxy Tab went up for pre-order at jr.com for $500-$600, so I think the rumor is dead.
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Yep. There's still a chance it'll come down by the time it gets released, but I agree that it's not looking good. But no problem, I'll make due with the Transformer and be $100 ahead when I start looking at the G2 devices.
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You think a capacitive touchscreen costs significantly more to produce than a mechanical keyboard + touchpad?
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Yes, otherwise all laptops will have (capacitive) touchscreen, nicer IPS/PLS screen, Gorilla glass, etc.
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These things you list are fairly trivial when you compare the cost to manufacture something that is mechanically much more complex, with removable hard drives, upgradable memory, removable batteries, active cooling systems, etc.
But we'll see where the prices of tablets go over the next couple of years, vs. laptops. ;-)
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Sure, when the tablet is becoming more popular, adapted by more people. Price will go down. That's the basic of supply vs demand.
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Yes, otherwise all laptops will have (capacitive) touchscreen, nicer IPS/PLS screen, Gorilla glass, etc.
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Laptops don't have Gorilla Glass because they don't need it, though some do have IPS screens. You can also find some with touchscreens, but if you read the reviews, you find that many don't consider it much of an advantage, because it's awkward switching from keyboard input to touchscreen. Reviews of the Transformer have touched on this, saying they're glad it has a touchpad, because that makes more sense when using a keyboard. These items just aren't as important on a laptop.
Sure, when the tablet is becoming more popular, adapted by more people. Price will go down. That's the basic of supply vs demand.
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And that's been my whole point. Tablets cost what they cost because of supply/demand, not because they are expensive to make. If I were smart, I wouldn't buy ANY tablet until the market has had a chance to stablize. It's brand new right now, and is going through higher than normal evolution. But if I'm not going to be smart, and instead pay the supply/demand premium for something I'll likely want to replace in a year or so, it's at least a little less dumb to get the more valuable choice, as opposed to the sexier but more expensive choice.
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And that's been my whole point. Tablets cost what they cost because of supply/demand, not because they are expensive to make. If I were smart, I wouldn't buy ANY tablet until the market has had a chance to stablize. It's brand new right now, and is going through higher than normal evolution. But if I'm not going to be smart, and instead pay the supply/demand premium for something I'll likely want to replace in a year or so, it's at least a little less dumb to get the more valuable choice, as opposed to the sexier but more expensive choice.
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Early adopters are always going to pay a premiumn price if they want to use leading edge products. I do not belive it is a supply and demand related. It is simply a new product and companies are trying to recoup their R&D costs.
Same thing happened several years ago with HDTV's were launched. Yes, LCD rear projection HDTV's were the leading edge ($4,500). Today some five - six years later an LED HDTV ($1600).
We all know whatever electronics we buy today it will be faster and cheaper the following year. So, one can always sit on the fence and wait until the next best thing comes along. ;-) or take the plunge when you are comfortable with the price.
I cant agree with the whole new technology thing. what doesn't make sense Is that smartphones have been around for a long time now yet my captivate no contract cost 599 its not new technology just better
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10.1 16gb for 500 without sd slot and no hdmi port = failure.
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We all know whatever electronics we buy today it will be faster and cheaper the following year. So, one can always sit on the fence and wait until the next best thing comes along.
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Understood. Though the current flux of the tablet market is much greater than is typical for other technologies. The HDTV market you compared to has been evolving over the past decade. The Viewsonic G tablet just came out about six months ago, and cost $400 up until just a few months ago. Now it's $275. The original question was whether or not the Samsung should be priced less than $500. $500 puts it on par with the Ipad 2, and $100 higher than the (more comparable, IMO) Transformer, which while not as svelte, adds SD and HDMI. And the Samsung is still at least three weeks from becoming available. Tegra 3 is supposed to be ready by fall, with "5x" the performance. Given the timing, the fast pace that this market is moving, and the competition, $500 just doesn't seem very competitive to me.
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I dont like how a dongle hangs from my tab. Its so big and bulky.
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I hate it. First it won't power a usb hd. Secondly it fits flimsily of the the unit. Lastly you can't charge the tablet while using the dongle. Bad waste of $20 for me.
The price we pay for thinnest and lightest tablet on the market.
All other tablets that offer that in the unit are hit with a thickness and weight penalty. Ill take "add it when you need it" any day.
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Why bother carrying adapter and sd card altogether? I am doing necessary transfers while I'm at home or office. Titanium backup if you are rooted. I like the adapter, I use my 10 years old MS joypad with it.
yes, the lightest with a plastic backplate. an ipad2 would beat it if they would use cheap solutions
for me, even the ipad2 is to thin. thin is only good for children, else it feels uncomfortable to hold.
for an open source device appropriate ports are a joke. what's the point in using android if they reduce everything to an ipad? they gave away one of the biggest advantages and maybe the decision between ipad and 10.1
at the moment the ipad2 has tripple the value (software) per $
Why not Ipad? Because it is Apple! The company which sold computers for people with low IQ's at outrageous prices for the last 3 decades. Still using the cheapest possible cameras in Ipads. You cannot buy an Apple product, you just rent it for 2 full computer prices. Dont let me start with Ipods...
... and whats the point of your argument in a Samsung USB adapter thread?
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yes, the lightest with a plastic backplate. an ipad2 would beat it if they would use cheap solutions
for me, even the ipad2 is to thin. thin is only good for children, else it feels uncomfortable to hold.
for an open source device appropriate ports are a joke. what's the point in using android if they reduce everything to an ipad? they gave away one of the biggest advantages and maybe the decision between ipad and 10.1
at the moment the ipad2 has tripple the value (software) per $
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You sir, need to trade in your android devices to get your very own 'sheeple decoder ring'... Then you can go drink more of the apple coolaid
if the ipad2 did not have 4:3 ratio and require my installing of itunes (thus breaking a 22 year long run of not doing so) i would have gotten it over the SGT
basically yea if it wasnt made by apple i wouldve gotten
Okay, setting aside the giant question as to when they will become available again, I'm considering a Nexus 4 for my daughter. She's about to turn 10 and my wife and I have been talking about getting her an ipod touch (5th gen) for Christmas.
But...we're an android family. My wife uses an Asus TF700, I have a Nexus 7, we both have android phones and my daughter currently uses my old Nook Color with CM10 on it to read and play games.
The N4 looks awful attractive to me, not just because of the familiarity and obvious ecosystem, but it would also lend itself to an easy transition to an actual cell phone if we decide to make that move.
Now, obviously, it won't take much to talk myself into the N4. But I'm wondering if you folks can offer me a little more subjective opinions than my own.
Thanks!
If she needs a phone, go for it. If not, still go for it!
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She doesn't need a phone...yet. That's part of the attraction of the N4 to me. For now, just an ipod-ish device.
One big question - the i-devices have imessaging and such for texting. What is a suitable equivalent for android?
I heard the screens crack stupid easy. Some exploding in pockets without pressure to the screen at all.
I wouldn't want any glass pieces cutting anyone. Since shes 10. it's going to happen. Heck. I've broken a lot of glass things up till i was 14. LOL.
TBH I think ipod touch is a better choice. it's super easy to use and has ton of kid apps.
I don't think anyone under 16 should have an cell phone. But i'm not the one to judge.
KIK is one. You can't message anyone on a computer but it's free on the app store any you just need wifi to send anyone with the app an message. The app is on both play store and apple app store.
If you want go on the cheaper side, it's hard to beat a used $50 Nexus S with its Wolfson DAC as a dedicated PMP.
The Nexus 4 would work though, especially if it's cheaper than the iPod touch and you're an Android family with no existing tie to the apple/iTunes ecosystem. There will be a learning curve but you can set things up for her to make it easier.
Just buy a refurbished iPod Touch 4th gen direct from Apple. $129 for the 8GB and $179 for the 32GB. They carry the same warranty (1-year) as a new one. Only difference is that the box they come in is different than retail markings. Come with ear buds and everything else a new one comes with. They dropped the price within the last week and knocked another $30 off the 32GB to get them to $179. I don't know what the price was before on the 8GB, but they don't hold too much stuff once the kids start downloading apps and taking pictures, so went with the 32 GB for two of our kids.
I've got a split house as the younger kids all want iPod Touches while the older ones hoping for a S3. I'm still waiting on an N4, but sounds like it will be an after Christmas purchase if Google ever gets them back in stock.
I think that she would be beter with an iPod touch new or old version it doesn't matter. It is a trend to have an Apple product for the younger generation and they spend more time listening to music. I don't know what the battery life is for the two devices but it would seem like the iPod touch would last longer listening to music than the Nexus 4. But if she is in need of a phone then I would tell you to get something else that is more durable that doesn't involve glass for her own safety. Being 10 years old before, I was not super careful :laugh:
IMHO don't go for the ipod touch. A 32GB itouch costs $299 while an 8GB Nexus 4 costs $299 also. However the N4 completely blows it away by its spec-wise. I know the itouch has 32GB memory but I doubt your daughter will ever come close to filling up that space, she's 10. Your daughter will probably be happier with the N4 due to its better camera, bigger screen, and the fact that she has an android device like everyone else. And in a few years, you can easily add a sim card and give her a phone.
I'm really considering getting a G6 on boost, instead of some of the newest phones. Is it still a good choice?
I got one in early 2018 because it was the last highend device without a stupid 2,5d elevated rim touchscreen or even worse design faults, making it hard to fit cases and screen protectors. This is even more true today, however the specs of the device are much less than highend now.
There are better budget phones around for the money now, rather than a three year old 'flagship' model.
Yes, it's still a great buy, especially if you get it for less than $100.
Flagship cpu, so remains snappy.
Pie update arriving.
SD card - easy to add 128GB for under $15.
Nice wide angle camera along with primary, front and back.
Wireless charging bonus.
A hidden bargain imo.
That's what I have been thinking. I'm probably only going to use it for a short time, and it's got 3 things that I like, wireless charging, IP 68 and continued development.