I was reading that "review" of the tablet on engadget and they say that the 16gb is gonna be $499 and the 32gb $599.
Is this accurate?
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From what I have seen. Yes
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I concur, those are the prices Samsung announced at CTIA for the wifi only version.
The GT 8.9 (early summer release) is priced $30 less the the GT 10.1.
However, Samsung may come out with a lower price to compete with the Transformer.
Some samsung exec was quoted saying 399$ at google io.... Oh how I hope thats the case.
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It's probably not.
Yeah I remember reading that somewhere...
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Some samsung exec was quoted saying 399$ at google io.... Oh how I hope thats the case.
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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In all reality, to get people like me's sale... I know its a nicer case / form factor / build quality than the transformer, but if the price is 100$ more... i'm going to have a hard time justifying that.
Not to mention they could take the ipad2 by storm by coming in 100$ less.
Either way I guess i'm going to wait until they actually hit the release date and not just preorder before I decide to go with this or the transformer...
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I think the $400 price was a misunderstanding or a fabrication. Can't imagine they'll have any need to price it below $500.
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I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
I disagree, I don't think we can compare toe to toe with laptop like that.
x86 tech vs ARM tech is completely different.
1GB RAM for x86 vs 1GB RAM for ARM should not be the same.
And the touch screen itself can be the deciding factor on the price!
Also the screen technology, IPS display, PLS display, TFT, SLCD ... Gorilla Glass, King Kong glass, etc.
You should know that high end screen tech like IPS and PLS are expensive!
Try to make a laptop with that spec
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I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
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I disagree. Tablets in general are WAY overpriced right now. If you compare what you're getting compared to a similarly priced laptop.... smaller screen, slower CPU, no keyboard, less memory, fewer ports, less upgradability, less expensive software, the only thing you get in a tablet that you DON'T get in a typical laptop is a touchscreen. A tablet is going to cost much less to produce than a similarly priced laptop. The only reason they sell them for what they do is because they can, due to the current state of the tablet market. In another year or two, we will all be embarrassed for what we paid for these.
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This is the premium we've always paid for miniaturization. Some people will give the same argument about laptops over desktops. There is always the price to pay to make things smaller, lighter, and more portable.
Also while the hardware specs are lower, the software requirements are also lower.
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But if you look at the market, probably the biggest competition for the Samsung is the Transformer. It's $400, has a microSD slot, HDMI port, and an optional keyboard that turns it into a netbook with extended battery life and additional ports. The only significant advantage the Samsung has is the form factor: it's about 3/16 of an inch thinner. Whether or not the slimmer sexier design is worth the trade-off in the extra features the Transformer offers is going to be up to the needs of the individual. But losing those features AND paying 25% more, just to get something a little slimmer? That's pushing it. The Transformer is a much better comparison than the Ipad2, because there's no logic in what people will pay for an Apple product. The Gtab is not an Apple.
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The Transformer is a cool tablet. I did enjoy it. But in my eyes it has a lot of small flaws and quality issues. But probably worst is I didn't care for it's form factor and overall design. Too wide, ugly bezel, crap speakers in poor position. The microSD, mini HDMI, and keyboard dock together just doesn't quite make up for all the other problems I had with the Transformer.
Form factor is huge. I have to hold this thing in my hands and may do it for two or three hours at a time. It's got to be something I want to hold. The Transformer was certainly lighter than the Xoom. But it still wasn't something I was all that crazy about holding.
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The only reason I'm still following the Gtab is because of the $400 rumor. If it ends up sticking to the $500 price previously announced, I'll stick with my current Transformer pre-order. In another year or so, they will probably all be at least as svelt as the Gtab, they'll be twice as fast, they'll be running Ice Cream Sandwich, maybe have better screens, more ports, etc, and probably be cheaper. That $100 savings makes it much easier to justify upgrading when this market truly gets competitive.
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The Galaxy Tab went up for pre-order at jr.com for $500-$600, so I think the rumor is dead.
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x86 tech vs ARM tech is completely different.
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I agree. x86 is going to be more expensive, especially once you consider they typically come with a heatsink/fan, and often require a separate video processor.
1GB RAM for x86 vs 1GB RAM for ARM should not be the same.
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RAM is RAM. But it's more expensive in a laptop because they typically have more, and they are typically in a slot with an access panel, etc., rather than directly soldered on the main board.
And the touch screen itself can be the deciding factor on the price!
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You think a capacitive touchscreen costs significantly more to produce than a mechanical keyboard + touchpad?
[/quote]Also the screen technology, IPS display, PLS display, TFT, SLCD ... Gorilla Glass, King Kong glass, etc. You should know that high end screen tech like IPS and PLS are expensive!
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There are laptops with IPS screens already. Even on the ones that don't, a typical laptop is going to have around 50% more screen area, or more. That's likely going to more than offset any product cost difference in screen technologies. And glass?!? Do you really think a small sheet of gorrilla glass is expensive, when buying 100k of them? These things you list are fairly trivial when you compare the cost to manufacture something that is mechanically much more complex, with removable hard drives, upgradable memory, removable batteries, active cooling systems, etc.
But we'll see where the prices of tablets go over the next couple of years, vs. laptops. ;-)
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This is the premium we've always paid for miniaturization. Some people will give the same argument about laptops over desktops. There is always the price to pay to make things smaller, lighter, and more portable.
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I agree with this to an extent, but in the case of a tablet, it is a fairly monolithic device. It can cost more to make something mechanically complex smaller, but a tablet can be produced cheaper than a laptop, because it's just a sandwich of mostly immobile components. They will retain a premium until competition ramps up, and the price starts to be dictated by how cheap they can produce them while still making a profit, rather than what they can sell them for just because there's suddenly a huge demand for them.
Also while the hardware specs are lower, the software requirements are also lower.
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Understood. But that doesn't change the fact that a much more complex CPU costs more to produce than a simple one. And Honeycomb costs lest than Windows 7. ;-)
The Transformer is a cool tablet. I did enjoy it. But in my eyes it has a lot of small flaws and quality issues.
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Yes, I don't discount that. But some have claimed great build quality with their transformers. So it seems more of an issue of quality control, rather than inherent component quality. That could simply be an issue of Asus trying to push these out as fast as they can right now. They KNOW the clock is ticking. Competition is right on their heels. They're trying to sell as many as they can while they have a relatively captive audience. Right now, they are going for MSRP, or more. I don't know about you, but I rarely pay MSRP on consumer electronic devices. If it's not at least 25% below MSRP, I don't feel like I'm getting a good deal. And you can bet these will quickly get to 25% below, and even lower, as competition ramps up. Everyone is trying to sell these as fast as they can while they can still enjoy that premium. We can't yet say Samsung won't also have some issues in the beginning.
But probably worst is I didn't care for it's form factor and overall design. Too wide... Form factor is huge
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Yes, I understand, which is exactly why I was waiting to see where the Samsung price fell. I too would like something slimmer, I just don't think it's prudent for me to pay $100 more for it at this stage in the market. Tegra3 is supposed to come out this fall, Samsung has already shown prototypes of 2560x1600 superbright 10.1" displays.... this market is in the infant stage, and will likely mature a lot over the next couple of years. It seems more wise for ME to be frugal at this point, because I'll likely want to upgrade in a year or so.
The Transformer was certainly lighter than the Xoom. But it still wasn't something I was all that crazy about holding.
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And look at the size of the Viewsonic before that. These things have evolved very quickly over the past 6 months. Samsung's tablet got downsized before it even got released!
The Galaxy Tab went up for pre-order at jr.com for $500-$600, so I think the rumor is dead.
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Yep. There's still a chance it'll come down by the time it gets released, but I agree that it's not looking good. But no problem, I'll make due with the Transformer and be $100 ahead when I start looking at the G2 devices.
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You think a capacitive touchscreen costs significantly more to produce than a mechanical keyboard + touchpad?
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Yes, otherwise all laptops will have (capacitive) touchscreen, nicer IPS/PLS screen, Gorilla glass, etc.
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These things you list are fairly trivial when you compare the cost to manufacture something that is mechanically much more complex, with removable hard drives, upgradable memory, removable batteries, active cooling systems, etc.
But we'll see where the prices of tablets go over the next couple of years, vs. laptops. ;-)
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Sure, when the tablet is becoming more popular, adapted by more people. Price will go down. That's the basic of supply vs demand.
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Yes, otherwise all laptops will have (capacitive) touchscreen, nicer IPS/PLS screen, Gorilla glass, etc.
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Laptops don't have Gorilla Glass because they don't need it, though some do have IPS screens. You can also find some with touchscreens, but if you read the reviews, you find that many don't consider it much of an advantage, because it's awkward switching from keyboard input to touchscreen. Reviews of the Transformer have touched on this, saying they're glad it has a touchpad, because that makes more sense when using a keyboard. These items just aren't as important on a laptop.
Sure, when the tablet is becoming more popular, adapted by more people. Price will go down. That's the basic of supply vs demand.
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And that's been my whole point. Tablets cost what they cost because of supply/demand, not because they are expensive to make. If I were smart, I wouldn't buy ANY tablet until the market has had a chance to stablize. It's brand new right now, and is going through higher than normal evolution. But if I'm not going to be smart, and instead pay the supply/demand premium for something I'll likely want to replace in a year or so, it's at least a little less dumb to get the more valuable choice, as opposed to the sexier but more expensive choice.
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And that's been my whole point. Tablets cost what they cost because of supply/demand, not because they are expensive to make. If I were smart, I wouldn't buy ANY tablet until the market has had a chance to stablize. It's brand new right now, and is going through higher than normal evolution. But if I'm not going to be smart, and instead pay the supply/demand premium for something I'll likely want to replace in a year or so, it's at least a little less dumb to get the more valuable choice, as opposed to the sexier but more expensive choice.
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Early adopters are always going to pay a premiumn price if they want to use leading edge products. I do not belive it is a supply and demand related. It is simply a new product and companies are trying to recoup their R&D costs.
Same thing happened several years ago with HDTV's were launched. Yes, LCD rear projection HDTV's were the leading edge ($4,500). Today some five - six years later an LED HDTV ($1600).
We all know whatever electronics we buy today it will be faster and cheaper the following year. So, one can always sit on the fence and wait until the next best thing comes along. ;-) or take the plunge when you are comfortable with the price.
I cant agree with the whole new technology thing. what doesn't make sense Is that smartphones have been around for a long time now yet my captivate no contract cost 599 its not new technology just better
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10.1 16gb for 500 without sd slot and no hdmi port = failure.
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We all know whatever electronics we buy today it will be faster and cheaper the following year. So, one can always sit on the fence and wait until the next best thing comes along.
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Understood. Though the current flux of the tablet market is much greater than is typical for other technologies. The HDTV market you compared to has been evolving over the past decade. The Viewsonic G tablet just came out about six months ago, and cost $400 up until just a few months ago. Now it's $275. The original question was whether or not the Samsung should be priced less than $500. $500 puts it on par with the Ipad 2, and $100 higher than the (more comparable, IMO) Transformer, which while not as svelte, adds SD and HDMI. And the Samsung is still at least three weeks from becoming available. Tegra 3 is supposed to be ready by fall, with "5x" the performance. Given the timing, the fast pace that this market is moving, and the competition, $500 just doesn't seem very competitive to me.
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Well well well...
Now that the Transformer is confirmed for next week, what do I do?
I just bought my Xoom from best buy this week, and can return it with no hassles. I have a $120 PDAir leather case but im sure I can get most of my money back.....
Would you guys do the trade? Granted the $$ isn't the issue, I just really want the IPS screen and USB access.
What do you guys think? Would you swap them out if you could? Disregarding the $$ factor?
The most important thing to me is development, which the Xoom clearly is ahead in now...
I don't think the Transformer is for me. It's just a wee bit too large, and I need my cell data plan. AFAIK, Transformer is wifi only, right? I'm guessing that the Transformer works a lot better in the keyboard department, which is my main disappointment about the Xoom.
Really though, I don't think you could go wrong with either device. The Transformer wasn't quite as rushed to the market, so you might encounter fewer bugs, but ultimately, it seems like more of an issue of form factor. The USB sounds good, but in my case, I barely use USB for anything these days.
From the videos I've seen of the Transformer in action, it has a slightly worse viewing angle despite being an IPS panel (versus the VA in the XOOM). That said, the Transformer's panel looks more saturated. Conversely, the Transformer seems to suffer more from glare than the XOOM.
As for development, you nailed it with the XOOM being ahead at the moment. I assume that it will stay this way for a while, as the XOOM attracted a lot of early adopters and developers since it's the first official Honeycomb device.
Additional food for thought is that the XOOM has 1 GiB of RAM, whereas the Transformer has 768 MiB.
FWIW, I'd far rather have the XOOM. As such, it's what I have chosen for myself.
Edit: Sorry! I was wrong about the RAM. Turns out, I was thinking of the G-Slate.
Probably the biggest appeal the transformer for me is the usb port for future external drives. However there are ways around that issue. For me I prefer the look of the xoom, I believe motorola produces better quality items vs acer, and motorola is an american firm so I also support american designers. Win-win for me.
As I have said before. Just so long as people keep buying android tablets that's the important thing.
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Don't forget the bezel either. It gets really annoying.
Much like why i am still waiting to buy a different dualcore phone other than the g2x. The g2x is awesome nonetheless its just the bezel that is ridiculously too much. But you get my point.
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You mean asus? I guess I should mention I have the wifi so thats not an issue. The biggest appeal for me is the USB and the screen as well. I just want more storage so I can put a bunch of movis on my xoom
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Probably the biggest appeal the transformer for me is the usb port for future external drives. However there are ways around that issue. For me I prefer the look of the xoom, I believe motorola produces better quality items vs acer, and motorola is an american firm so I also support american designers. Win-win for me.
As I have said before. Just so long as people keep buying android tablets that's the important thing.
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Its Asus actually lol
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Additional food for thought is that the XOOM has 1 GiB of RAM, whereas the Transformer has 768 MiB.
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Where did you get that from? The official website states 1GB memory:
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/#specifications
For me it's the xoom. Dual band wifi and a much small bezel/size. I purchased the Moto BT keyboard and never use it, it's a tablet. If I wanted a netbook, i wouldve bought one.
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For me it's the xoom. Dual band wifi and a much small bezel/size. I purchased the Moto BT keyboard and never use it, it's a tablet. If I wanted a netbook, i wouldve bought one.
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I bought that too, its nice but I dont see myself using it either... in class maybe but all my classes have computers in them for notes
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From the videos I've seen of the Transformer in action, it has a slightly worse viewing angle despite being an IPS panel (versus the VA in the XOOM). That said, the Transformer's panel looks more saturated. Conversely, the Transformer seems to suffer more from glare than the XOOM.
As for development, you nailed it with the XOOM being ahead at the moment. I assume that it will stay this way for a while, as the XOOM attracted a lot of early adopters and developers since it's the first official Honeycomb device.
Additional food for thought is that the XOOM has 1 GiB of RAM, whereas the Transformer has 768 MiB.
FWIW, I'd far rather have the XOOM. As such, it's what I have chosen for myself.
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The xoom has horrible viewing angles. The screen on the transformer looks way better so far and according to reviews it is way better than the xoom screen.
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I dunno..
I am not sure. I've had my xoom for about 3 weeks. I absolutely love it as its my laptop replacement.
However, the price of the Transformer is nice.. The screen tech also looks good. And of course there is working SD card and USB.
But damn, that bezel is ugly as hell on the Transformer. Reviews are also saying its plasticy.
Lastly, its hard to find a definitive answer on the software. Does Asus have a custom skin on there? I've told myself I will never ever buy a tablet or phone with a custom skin again. I am tired of waiting for updates from OEMs. This is one of the main reasons Im swapping my EVO for a Nexus S as soon as it drops on Sprint in the coming weeks.
What do all my fellow Xoom peeps think?
Only thing holding me back from immediately returning the xoom in favor odf the transformer is that the transformer apparently looks ugly and feels plasticy comparedto the xoom. I guess I gotta see it in person before I can decide.
I just bought my Xoom on the 17th from Best Buy. I have until May 1st to return it. If Best Buy has a Transformer on display, and I like it, I'll probably return the Xoom for that.
If it has almost everything the Xoom has, and I can get the keyboard dock and still walk away with $50 in my pocket from the return I'm happy.
I'm stickin to my Xoom... seems like it's better built. I didn't payf or it so the $$ factor doesnt bother me....
The bezel on the transformer is huge to make it fit in the dock, not really interested in that. Ill slap a 32 gig sdhc in and not worry about USB
I tested the transformer before I received my Xoom. For me the xoom wins hands down.
Its largley a matter of personal preference but I didn't actually like holding it, the bezzle is just too big to hold and type even if you had thumb key.
The screen really didn't look any better than the xooms maybe slightly more vivid colours. But the keyboard doesn't make sense to me on a tab, there is no USB on the tablet itself and currently only 16gb model is available.
But like I said that's all just personal taste
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Don't forget the bezel either. It gets really annoying.
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I want a bigger bezel. The bezel on the Xoom is only about 3/4 the size of my thumb. You can't hold this thing with one hand without activating the screen in some unwanted way. Maybe I just have big hands and you don't, but still this has become annoying.
The Transformer has a larger bezel to be wide enough to seat evenly with the netbook sized keyboard attachment, but I think that there's the added benefit of being able to hold onto it.
OH and the transformer is freaking $200 less... After purchasing my WiFi Xoom I find myself using it less and less. For something like this that I'm using quite casually, I don't mind a couple "flaws" (according to some) in order to save $200. Heck, when I return my Xoom I might not be buying a different tablet at all.
I'm going to return my Xoom this Sun to Costco. I love it but I'm kinda bored of it. I don't use it as much as before. The only time I use it now is when I'm in bed waiting to past out. Without XDA, I would of returned the Xoom after a few days of owning it. With the Transformer I get to save some benjamins.
After reading the Transformer Anandtech review, I would definitely get a Transformer over the Xoom... that is, if I wasn't such an aesthetic freak. The bezel size irriates me...
On a good note Anandtech says the display is "comparable to the iPad 2", and that it is definitely more impressive than the Xoom's.
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I just bought my Xoom on the 17th from Best Buy. I have until May 1st to return it. If Best Buy has a Transformer on display, and I like it, I'll probably return the Xoom for that.
If it has almost everything the Xoom has, and I can get the keyboard dock and still walk away with $50 in my pocket from the return I'm happy.
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you will be walking away -$50, the transform is $500 for the 32gb model
I mean, the transformer is coming out with a dock at the same price everywhere.
Don't you think that gtab10.1 sales are doomed unless samsung comes up with a keyboard dock like the transformer one ?
I fear that when asus will start their ad campains people will only retain "ANDROID tablet = also a laptop" in their heads. I feel for samsung if the gtab 10.1 fails again like the original galaxytab because of simply that.
Especially after the charming overhaul of the design. An aluminium keyboard dock with usb/hdmi and sd ports in it would be kick ass even if it's sold 200$.
It isn't worth it at $200.
The 64gb 3g version will cost around MSRP $800 plus another $200 for the kb makes it a $1000 investment.
Compared to $700-800 for Asus with keyboard and 64gb 3g and everything the same plus usb port, makes it in favor of the Asus.
Samsung will fail if the keyboard crosses $100, at least on that front.
Asus kb is for $125 in Taiwan and 60 pounds in UK and about 60 or so euros in Europe. Only US is expensive with $100-150.
And they need to come up with a wireless keyboard and I am sure they will!
Not at all. I personally don't think the Asus Transformer will only appeal to a very narrow demographic. While it is a great piece of hardware, it is far too "geeky" for the average consumer.
Samsung is already a mainstream brand having sold zillions of TVs and other home appliances over many years.
The Tab also has a more sleek design which has the potential to sway many would-be iPad buyers.
Also, I wouldn't say the original Tab was a failure. It might not have made mega bucks for Samsung but it had a big impact on the Android tablet market as a whole. It made people sit up and take notice of the future potential of Android as an alternative to the iPad.
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Exactly what makes the Transformer geeky?
I feel as if the Transformer should have came with the keyboard... not bought separately. I thought that was the entire point of buying the thing. And no, I don't believe ASUS's giant-bezel tablet will hurt the Tabs. Samsung is an advertising behemoth with brand recognition and lovely hardware design. Also don't forget about TouchWiz, they've made Honeycomb's Tron esque look much more colorful and less
dark, which believe it or not people will adore.
Transformer is going to be heavy and thick. I doubt the thinner, lighter Tab will have a problem other than competing price point.
Not all people would like the dock
Me, for example. I don't like it at all.
I prefer thin and light device.
No dock for me either. The 10.1 is perfect
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I mean, the transformer is coming out with a dock at the same price everywhere.
Don't you think that gtab10.1 sales are doomed unless samsung comes up with a keyboard dock like the transformer one ?
I fear that when asus will start their ad campains people will only retain "ANDROID tablet = also a laptop" in their heads. I feel for samsung if the gtab 10.1 fails again like the original galaxytab because of simply that.
Especially after the charming overhaul of the design. An aluminium keyboard dock with usb/hdmi and sd ports in it would be kick ass even if it's sold 200$.
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I'll definitely be getting the tab whether or not a dock is released. I don't think I'd use a dock that much but if they do release a dock for a fair price then I may consider it.
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Dunno but the gtab10.1 is only about 70grams lighter and 4mm thinner than the transformer (and that's at the transformer's fattest point, since it's a curved back the transformer on the sides is pretty much as thin as the gtab).
I don’t want a dock, don’t need a keyboard just a thin/light device which is what the 10.1 is.
Even as a desk dock the transformer keyboard owns everything.
Also, when I read people saying "just want a light & thin device" I wonder if you ever even tried to watch a several minute long video while holding a tablet in front of you. Good luck with "light" lol, I don't think light comes off as an argument preventing usage exhaustion unless it's something like a 300g tablet or less.
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Even as a desk dock the transformer keyboard owns everything.
Also, when I read people saying "just want a light & thin device" I wonder if you ever even tried to watch a several minute long video while holding a tablet in front of you. Good luck with "light" lol, I don't think light comes off as an argument preventing usage exhaustion unless it's something like a 300g tablet or less.
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Yet, I'm guessing that docks like the Atrix Dock and the transformer dock will become common. So if there will be one for the Galaxy Tab 10.1, why not get that so you can have a THIN laptop/tablet thing?
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Yet, I'm guessing that docks like the Atrix Dock and the transformer dock will become common. So if there will be one for the Galaxy Tab 10.1, why not get that so you can have a THIN laptop/tablet thing?
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I agree. If Samsung release a keyboard dock (which is more than likely since the 7" Tab had one), then it owns the Transformer hands down.
It seems ASUS has accomplished their goal. They adding a nice little gimmick that makes people consider their tablet over the competitors. Then again... it is just a dock. Any manufacture can make one. Even little third-party companies make them~
Or if you don't mind, you could buy a lovely bluetooth keyboard.
Yea but samsung third party accessories are slow as hell to come out, and the official ones are expensive (100+$ for just a former gtab keyboard dock station with no extra battery!!), and the gtab dock will never have an extra 8hour battery in it like the transformer does Frankly the only thing holding me on the transformer is the PLS screen and black&chrome design of the gtab, I don't like much the copper color of the transformer but with it's dock in the reviews its rather sexy.
I guess I'll just buy the transformer now and give it to my girlfriend to get a gtab once some good dock with hdmi and usb ports (big minus there on gtab) will be available. The gtab official bookcover looks wicked tho http://www.tabletdigger.com/gt/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bookcover.jpg
Also, it is okay to wait for a gtab dock but the transformer actually have a KEYBOARD dock... pretty different from normal dock and the battery... samsung never gonna get something close to that (mean price wise, etc) and perfect if the transformer only get in the hands of "geeks" so that way all developpers, etc will make awesome apps/dev for this device
I have a transformer on order. But I don't really care about the keyboard. I could see the appeal if someone were buying this as their only device, or maybe even their only portable device. But I have a notebook if I need to use a keyboard. If it were $50, I might buy it, but not at $120+, because I'm mostly interested in the tablet functionality. Honestly, I'd prefer the better screen and slimmer design of the Samsung, but the Samsung is 25% more expensive. I just don't think it's wise to pay much of a premium at this stage of the tablet market. There will likely be something twice as good for similar $$ next year. In the mean time, I'll either figure out I didn't really need a tablet after all, or I'll like it, and get something better when the options go up and the prices come down.
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I agree. If Samsung release a keyboard dock (which is more than likely since the 7" Tab had one), then it owns the Transformer hands down.
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IMHO, a KB dock alone isn't going to own a TF101. It needs to have USB ports, SDHC/SDXC slot or more to own a TF101.
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IMHO, a KB dock alone isn't going to own a TF101. It needs to have USB ports, SDHC/SDXC slot or more to own a TF101.
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Your overestimating the masses. People go gaga for slim devices, IMO it's a total scam. I know so many people swho bought the iPad2 because it was thin. You can bet that Sammy will advertise the HELL out of the fact that it's thinner than the iPad2
I returned my Transformer and am waiting for the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
One of the pros for the Transformer is the docking station and it's really sweet how well it seems to work together.
But I have a few small complaints about the Transformer and the Galaxy Tab has a few of it's own pros, that I think the Galaxy Tab will do very well.
First with the Transformer.
The speakers kinda suck and aren't positioned very well. Not sure of the sound quality on the Galaxy Tab speakers, but I can't imagine it would be worse and I like the positioning better.
The Transformer's back get warm and the textured plastic doesn't offer much grip when your hand starts getting a little moist. It appears the Galaxy Tab will have a better no slip back.
The glass on the Transformer is really thin and a little too flexible. I can see it bending without applying much pressure. Hoping the Galaxy Tab has better glass.
The bezel on the Transformer is too dang big. Sure the Xoom over did it by making their bezel too small, but ASUS went too far in the other direction. Galaxy Tab looks like the perfect middle.
The Transformer just feel a little on the cheap side after the iPad and Xoom tablets I owned. I won't know until I have it in my hand, but I get the impression the Galaxy Tab will have a firmer more quality feel to it.
The weight is really big. People see the 85 gram weight difference between the Transformer and Galaxy Tab and think it won't mean much. But 50 grams separated the Transformer from the Xoom and I really noticed that difference. I can only imagine the Galaxy Tab is going to feel like a feather compared to the Transformer.
Most of these things are small nit-picking. But enough of them have added up that I think I need to wait on the Galaxy Tab. The cool docking station just isn't enough. Though the lack of a micro SD slot is kinda chaffing me, but I think even that might not be enough to scare me away from the Galaxy Tab.
Aside from some quality control issues, Asus has done a lot right with the Transformer. Great price, functionality, and the incredible dock.
So with talk of the Transformer 2, what do you think the chances are the dock will work with the new version? I think pretty good, even if there is a new dock that is "better", would be great if they gave legacy support to existing dock owners.
I generally would wait to buy if I know something "better" is around the corner, but i am throughly enjoying my Transformer right now. Say I can get the new version for $400, sell mine for $200 or even just hand it down. I am hopeful!!!!
i read a Taiwanese article saying the new transformer will be thinner and lighter, given the design of the hinge on the current dock, I think the possibility that it'd be compatible is quite low.
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i read a Taiwanese article saying the new transformer will be thinner and lighter, given the design of the hinge on the current dock, I think the possibility that it'd be compatible is quite low.
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I tend to agree though I suppose there's also the possibility that Asus could produce an adaptor that clips around the botton of a TF2 to make it compatible - unlikely though!
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Dave
Asus has stated the dock will be compatible with future models, this simultaneously confirmed compatibility and the fact that another transformer-like tab was on the way.
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Asus has stated the dock will be compatible with future models, this simultaneously confirmed compatibility and the fact that another transformer-like tab was on the way.
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Just a thought but could this not be referring to a 3G version of the tablet...i.e. not TF2 but an exact same version of the tablet but with 3G?
I am still hopeful the TF2 will be compatible tho.
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Asus has stated the dock will be compatible with future models, this simultaneously confirmed compatibility and the fact that another transformer-like tab was on the way.
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I think you are referring to the anandtech review, however Asus has never made that statement themselves. I still think its quite unlikely that they'll be compatible. Tabs are getting thinner and thinner, if the next tf remained this thick its gonna feel ancient.
im going to have to go with it wont be compatible with tf2. considering the fact that most 2nd versions of tablets an phones always seem to go thinner and a redesign. So most likely not. I bought the buyback program from best buy cuz i know i'll trade this one in 6 months to get the next greatest thing
it could be a little thicker on one side to have legacy dock support, or as previously posted they could have a dock adapter. They don't need to make the whole tablet as thick just to fit the dock.
I'm sure that i have read somewhere that the reason the tablet was priced so low was that they were looking to grab market share and bolster the profits with a high profit margin on the keyboard - which seems to fit with the price of the dock.
So to my way of thinking it would not make sense for Asus to include support for their cash cow in the next model. I think they will expect you to buy a second dock to keep the profitability high.
As noted by others - I suspect that there will be reductions to the thickness and bezel which also suggests there will need to be a new dock.
No telling.... we can speculate.
I'm very happy with the size as it is. I had the Tab 10.1 for a shot period, it is thinner and lighter but not to where it outweighs the functionality of the Transformer, IMO.
I sadly would agree with the more to gain from not making it compatible, however I think it's just as likely that they hope to make money by pleasing the crowd and making it compatible as well.
I think trying to guess is just that, guessing. I wouldn't put money on it either way. (Well, logically, if asked to, I would put money on them making it NOT compatible. That way if I win I have money to buy a dock, if not, well I lose the bet but don't have to buy a dock).
The other thing they could do, is make the TF2 slightly thinner (but remain compatible with the existing dock) and create another new tablet which is not dockable, thus giving the consumer a choice - i.e. a tablet/netbook hybrid, or a "pure" tablet.
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Dave
The video information at allthingsd.com/20111019/jonney-shih-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ makes it look like the tablet will work with the old dock, just based off of the positioning of the locking slots and the charging interface. It looks a little thinner, but not much.
However, the new dock has what looks like the same hinge, albeit on a wedge shaped keyboard dock rather than a flat dock, and aluminum housing like the zenbook seems to replace the molded plastic exterior on both the tablet and the base. They are clearly trying to take away thickness from the combined units by shaving the dock. Can anyone tell if the tablet shape is also shaved down towards the front? (That would make for an awkward flat viewing angle).
I dont like how a dongle hangs from my tab. Its so big and bulky.
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I hate it. First it won't power a usb hd. Secondly it fits flimsily of the the unit. Lastly you can't charge the tablet while using the dongle. Bad waste of $20 for me.
The price we pay for thinnest and lightest tablet on the market.
All other tablets that offer that in the unit are hit with a thickness and weight penalty. Ill take "add it when you need it" any day.
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Why bother carrying adapter and sd card altogether? I am doing necessary transfers while I'm at home or office. Titanium backup if you are rooted. I like the adapter, I use my 10 years old MS joypad with it.
yes, the lightest with a plastic backplate. an ipad2 would beat it if they would use cheap solutions
for me, even the ipad2 is to thin. thin is only good for children, else it feels uncomfortable to hold.
for an open source device appropriate ports are a joke. what's the point in using android if they reduce everything to an ipad? they gave away one of the biggest advantages and maybe the decision between ipad and 10.1
at the moment the ipad2 has tripple the value (software) per $
Why not Ipad? Because it is Apple! The company which sold computers for people with low IQ's at outrageous prices for the last 3 decades. Still using the cheapest possible cameras in Ipads. You cannot buy an Apple product, you just rent it for 2 full computer prices. Dont let me start with Ipods...
... and whats the point of your argument in a Samsung USB adapter thread?
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yes, the lightest with a plastic backplate. an ipad2 would beat it if they would use cheap solutions
for me, even the ipad2 is to thin. thin is only good for children, else it feels uncomfortable to hold.
for an open source device appropriate ports are a joke. what's the point in using android if they reduce everything to an ipad? they gave away one of the biggest advantages and maybe the decision between ipad and 10.1
at the moment the ipad2 has tripple the value (software) per $
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You sir, need to trade in your android devices to get your very own 'sheeple decoder ring'... Then you can go drink more of the apple coolaid
if the ipad2 did not have 4:3 ratio and require my installing of itunes (thus breaking a 22 year long run of not doing so) i would have gotten it over the SGT
basically yea if it wasnt made by apple i wouldve gotten
One of the big problems with the iPad other than overheating and under charging is it's poor portability. If you want to use it outside the home then you need a big bag similar to a laptop bag to carry it. The 7.7 easily fits in ladies handbags and fits in jacket pockets making it very portable.
Because the iPad3 is mostly house bound then you need to compare it with other mostly house bound devices such as laptops, netbooks, ultrabooks etc. where it does not fare well.
What is the point of this post, may I ask? Preaching to the converted?
Thanks for your random op/ed.
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alvinlts said:
What is the point of this post, may I ask? Preaching to the converted?
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What right have you to question the appropriateness of other people's posts?
Gaugerer said:
What right have you to question the appropriateness of other people's posts?
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Welcome to the internet!
I think he is just haring that the Tab7.7 has better portability and I agree with him, no other tablet can rival its portability.
EarlZ said:
I think he is just haring that the Tab7.7 has better portability and I agree with him, no other tablet can rival its portability.
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Perhaps the GT 7.0?
Just joking no offence
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edwinpang said:
Perhaps the GT 7.0?
Just joking no offence
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Lol its a thicker device!
EarlZ said:
Lol its a thicker device!
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My bad
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I just saw somebody holding a GT 7.0, and yes, the 0.7" make a difference, especially in a case. However, I don't really mind the extra waist of my 7.7.
I too find anything larger than 7.7 to be a bit cumbersome.
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There can be little doubt that the 7.7 tab is more portable than the iPad and for me that was the main reason I got it over the iPad3. Not counting the size and form factor advantage the 7.7 has the iPad3 is the better device in most other areas.
Give me an 8.5 inch screen with 1920x1200 resolution in a package about the same size as the 7.7 and I'd be even happier. And, I'd even PREFER it to be about 1mm thicker for two reasons: first, room for an even bigger battery; and second, I think the 7.7 is a little TOO thin and being a bit thicker would make it easier to hold by the edges.
The iPad is too close in size to a small notebook so it's hardly any more portable than that. The 7.7 is smaller than a sheet of paper (8.5x11) folded in half -- or about the size of a paperback book.
Brian
I've got a cheap Chinese 7 inch tablet as well my 7.7 and i've got to say the .7 really does make a difference in terms of portability. The 7" one fits much more easily in a pocket anss is a lot lighter.
Oh, and the "cheapo" chinese tablet is on ICS and has much more flexible connections than the Sammy.
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I've got a cheap Chinese 7 inch tablet as well my 7.7 and i've got to say the .7 really does make a difference in terms of portability. The 7" one fits much more easily in a pocket anss is a lot lighter.
Oh, and the "cheapo" chinese tablet is on ICS and has much more flexible connections than the Sammy.
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flexible connections ? like what ? can i know the model number thingking of getting 1 as a remote for my htpc and whats the resolution ?
This 7.7 slides easily on my jeans front pocket lol
Everytime I pull it out, people are looking with a confused face 'where in the world thit that huge slab came from' = priceless
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This 7.7 slides easily on my jeans front pocket lol
Everytime I pull it out, people are looking with a confused face 'where in the world thit that huge slab came from' = priceless
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So true but the question I always get is "is that an ipad?" A bit anoying but I always tell them "no its better " lol!!!
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geogetski666 said:
flexible connections ? like what ? can i know the model number thingking of getting 1 as a remote for my htpc and whats the resolution ?
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Hi, well the device i got was this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NATPC-M009S-Capacitive-Gingerbread-Responsive/forum/Fx1DBIDSXCYCEJH/-/1/ref=cm_cd_f_h_dp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B006M07X34 Not sure if you can get that where you are, it is a pretty generic android tablet. But it is surpisingly well made and works fine. It is slightly thicker than the 7.7 but noticeably lighter and narrower, which makes it easier to hold in one hand and put in a pocket.
In terms of the connections it has an easily reached microsd slot (no fiddly cover which feels like it is going to snap off any minute), a built-in HDMI (output to 1080), a mini-usb, 3,5 audio and a seperate power in.
The bit that I like is that I can use HDMI directly without having to pass-through the power cord. I can also use all the connections seperately. So in terms of your htpc question, it has actually replace mine. Bluetooth dongle for keyboard/mouse, hdmi to TV, power in or not, wifi connected streaming directly or from files on my PC.
The single proprietary IN on the 7.7 is a bind as far as I am concerned.
It came with 2.3.4 gingerbread on it but there are ICS 4.0.3 FWs to upgrade to - from the manufacturer.
The res is a "lowly" 800x480 but it works for me.
For £100 it is well worth the money, certainly compared to products from a certain company that thinks it sits somewhere on the right hand of whichever deity you might adhere to.
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Hi, well the device i got was this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NATPC-M009S-Capacitive-Gingerbread-Responsive/forum/Fx1DBIDSXCYCEJH/-/1/ref=cm_cd_f_h_dp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B006M07X34 Not sure if you can get that where you are, it is a pretty generic android tablet. But it is surpisingly well made and works fine. It is slightly thicker than the 7.7 but noticeably lighter and narrower, which makes it easier to hold in one hand and put in a pocket.
In terms of the connections it has an easily reached microsd slot (no fiddly cover which feels like it is going to snap off any minute), a built-in HDMI (output to 1080), a mini-usb, 3,5 audio and a seperate power in.
The bit that I like is that I can use HDMI directly without having to pass-through the power cord. I can also use all the connections seperately. So in terms of your htpc question, it has actually replace mine. Bluetooth dongle for keyboard/mouse, hdmi to TV, power in or not, wifi connected streaming directly or from files on my PC.
The single proprietary IN on the 7.7 is a bind as far as I am concerned.
It came with 2.3.4 gingerbread on it but there are ICS 4.0.3 FWs to upgrade to - from the manufacturer.
The res is a "lowly" 800x480 but it works for me.
For £100 it is well worth the money, certainly compared to products from a certain company that thinks it sits somewhere on the right hand of whichever deity you might adhere to.
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I have the 7.7 but would not mind it being a tad thicker if that meant an even bigger battery. I would like the bezels to be smaller making it easier to hold on the sides and, once again, I think being a tad thicker would help here as well. But 800x480 -- NO F'n WAY! Not interested.
The Android makers are in a bind with Apple at one end eating up the premium dollars and the Kindle/Nook and Chinese knock offs at the other end driving the price down to unprofitable levels. The 7.7 is expensive and will likely not sell well even though the display is top of the heap and the size and form factor make it more usable than the iPad. When Apple pushes out the 7.85 tab that will be the final nail in the Android tab coffin...
Brian
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But 800x480 -- NO F'n WAY! Not interested.
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Ha, ha, ha. Yes, it really makes a world of difference
Oh, and I happen to be in the electronic component distribution industry, I can tell you the final nail in the coffin will be when the manufacturers persist in ripping the public with their vastly inflated prices. Maybe people will fall off the Apple hype wagon ahd those trying to copy them will be forced to re-evaluate their business models. Bring on the kindles and Chinese 'knock offs' (knocking what off I don't know but hey, let's stereotype why not?).
I love my 7.7 but then I didn't pay for it...
The 0.7 inch does make a difference. I had the GT 7 for a year and waited for the 7.7 for a long time for its beautiful screen the thinness. Now that I have it, it is just a tad too big. It will fit in the pants pocket but not as comfortable as the GT7.
Now, all I need is the 7 with AMOLED screen andless than 7mm thick. Next year's Super GT 7 I guess
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When Apple pushes out the 7.85 tab that will be the final nail in the Android tab coffin...
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Thats funny. As much as I like the iPad, I think the 7.85 form factor is going to be a tougher battle for Apple than the 10". I certainly won't be buying one. I tried the GT 10.1 and that is just too big, not comfortable at all.
To me between 7 to 10 (only in the 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPAD, not 16:9) is the ideal size for a tablet. And the Android devices certainly offer more choices in that range.
If Apple is smart they'd sell the 7.85 at cost to get a large percentage of the market. After all, they make 30% off of the apps and media they sell so they can sell the 7.85 at cost, kill Android in the process, and still make money from apps and media. They won't be able to so easily do this in the smart phone space, but tablets are another thing and Apple, if they play things smart, could kill Android in tablets and still profit.
When I say kill Android I'm not counting the Kindle or Nook and maybe some of the cheap Chinese ones but the major players looking to build quality tabs will not be able to do so AND make a profit...
Brian