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Just wanted a poll on the number of users experiencing the above issue.
Mrplennium said:
I ordered mine from Handtec, and with any luck, it will be here next week. I live in New York, so returning the phone if it has severe overheating issues might not be as easy. So what I would like to know is if Sony will be able to fix this via software update or should I cancel my order and wait for the Oppo Find 7? The problem with the Oppo is that it hasn't really been tested, so getting that phone could open up a whole new can of worms. I am stumped as to what to do. I have never used a Sony phone before, so I don't know what to expect. I hated that physical home button on the Samsung line, so decided against getting the S5. The HTC M8 doesn't have enough in the camera for me to get that. I love Sony products, so I don't know what's going on with this overheating situation. There has to be some software fix, the only question is will they care to implement it, or will they write-off the Z2, and provide a solution in the Z3???
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Sorry but I can't comment whether you should cancel or not as we're just looking at how wide-spread the overheating issue is in this poll thread, and what might be causing it, I'm sure Sony's doing the same.
What I can tell you is that the Z2 camera itself is very capable both for photos and videos, my short review will be out early next week. I'm yet to test the Find 7 or 1+1, so can't comment on their camera performance, but both use a 1/3.06" 13MP Sony IMX214 sensor that is capable too with 4k support, but the Z2's sensor is significantly larger.
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Since I have photography threads for more than half a dozen different manufacturers (and actually use a Nexus 4 if that matters, fail to see why, but there you go), you can trust my word when I say in my limited time I really had and not making up the same overheating issues others did, incl. feis who indicated he too has overheating for 4k, others for photography. Thing is: this is not an isolated issue but pretty wide-spread, and XDA Developers is the exact place to deal with it and find a solution. What's not XDA-level discussion is some dude dropping by and adding the very useful "you are all technically clueless smartasses who don't understand English". This will end either by choice or by moderators.
Now I've already said overheating is probably not a manufacturing issues but a camera driver thing, my bet would be the live view taking up so much resources, that the ISP and SoC constantly working with very high screen brightness and the Sun giving extra heat, the Z2 just overheats. Or maybe the force-stop policy is too aggressive and the Z2 could take a little more hotness. The point is: we are here to address this issues not ignore it. The easiest way to ignore it is by not posting here.
Thank you.
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Finally there is someone who wants to discuss the issue proper. I initially thought that it was a software issue related to the overheat control of the system. I have played graphic and processor intensive games on my z2 and it got really hot, to the point that it was hot to touch, not just warm. I did not realise until I ended the game (lasted about 10 minutes) and wanted to make a phone call. The area around the NFC logo at the back of the device was really baking hot. From what I know it is the area where all the hardwares other than battery is housed. I checked the battery temperature and it showed up to be at 49.3 degrees celsius. The temperature recorded when the camera auto shutdown was around the range of 44-45 degrees celsius. That led me to think that a policy was made to force stop the camera when the device temperature rise to undesirable levels.
I thought the issue could easily be dealt with a software update to increase the tolerance level. However, there is no word from Sony on it even after many users have reflected on this issue. This is when I begin to feel that it is either a hardware issue that is really hard to deal with or the policy is simply something that have to be put in place inorder not to damage other hardware components over prolong periods of high heat. From what I know from tech sites, z2 uses a liquid heat pipe cooling, something only a NEC smartphone has implemented before. Could it be a case of poor implementation of the technology?
And for the last time, please do note that (at least from my point of view), the main concern is the normal camera function is force closed when the device heats up, yes it does the same on 4k recording for me too. But like many stated, 4k does take a lot out of the hardwares, furthermore 4k displays are still considered as rather rare now. I would think most users have no qualms about limited 4k recording if there is no issue with the normal camera shooting, so please stop trying to ask people who voice their concerns here as unreasonable and exaggerating.
You can prevent that problem by go to setting > app > all and disable all social and unuse app.
The Z2 is one of few smartphones with liquid pipe cooling. This must be very untested, and speculation went to this beeing the cause of delays.
It does not seem far fetched though. Overheating not only when 4K recording, but just using the camera. Certain spots on the phone being particullary hot etc. Thoughts?
EDIT: Apologies to the OP, saw that you had raised exactly the same question.
magwin said:
The Z2 is one of few smartphones with liquid pipe cooling. This must be very untested, and speculation went to this beeing the cause of delays.
It does not seem far fetched though. Overheating not only when 4K recording, but just using the camera. Certain spots on the phone being particullary hot etc. Thoughts?
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Are you sure the Z2 uses heat pipes? Do you have a source link for me?
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Are you sure the Z2 uses heat pipes? Do you have a source link for me?
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I cannot post links, but Digitimes first reported this, and almost all tech sites reported it. Toms hardware I think made a non copy pasta article.
I don't know, I've seen tons of heatpipe coolers in the past 20 years and when I look at the disassembled Z2 I don't see a heatpipe:
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/03/30/xperia-z2-disassembly-guide/
On the other hand, the CPU is very close to the camera, and that's where most of the heat is (top section). I doubt that the camera can generate much, it's just optics and a light sensor. The main culprit for heat is qualcomm snapdragon 801. And I don't think glass is a very good heat conductor.
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I don't know, I've seen tons of heatpipe coolers in the past 20 years and when I look at the disassembled Z2 I don't see a heatpipe
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Xperia-Z2-has-liquid-heat-pipe-cooling-technology_id54935
tridious said:
Finally there is someone who wants to discuss the issue proper. I initially thought that it was a software issue related to the overheat control of the system. I have played graphic and processor intensive games on my z2 and it got really hot, to the point that it was hot to touch, not just warm. I did not realise until I ended the game (lasted about 10 minutes) and wanted to make a phone call. The area around the NFC logo at the back of the device was really baking hot. From what I know it is the area where all the hardwares other than battery is housed. I checked the battery temperature and it showed up to be at 49.3 degrees celsius. The temperature recorded when the camera auto shutdown was around the range of 44-45 degrees celsius. That led me to think that a policy was made to force stop the camera when the device temperature rise to undesirable levels.
I thought the issue could easily be dealt with a software update to increase the tolerance level. However, there is no word from Sony on it even after many users have reflected on this issue. This is when I begin to feel that it is either a hardware issue that is really hard to deal with or the policy is simply something that have to be put in place inorder not to damage other hardware components over prolong periods of high heat. From what I know from tech sites, z2 uses a liquid heat pipe cooling, something only a NEC smartphone has implemented before. Could it be a case of poor implementation of the technology?
And for the last time, please do note that (at least from my point of view), the main concern is the normal camera function is force closed when the device heats up, yes it does the same on 4k recording for me too. But like many stated, 4k does take a lot out of the hardwares, furthermore 4k displays are still considered as rather rare now. I would think most users have no qualms about limited 4k recording if there is no issue with the normal camera shooting, so please stop trying to ask people who voice their concerns here as unreasonable and exaggerating.
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See, your comments scare me. If it's a hardware issue, then Sony will never fix it. Apple is the only company I know of that ever recalled a smartphone because of a defect consumers pointed out. I am afraid Sony, like many other companies, will simply address this issue in the Z3. Once the Z3 is launched, you will hear reviewers mention how much the heating issues while taking regular photos have been addressed since the Z2....etc Seriously wondering if I should cancel my order.
all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
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Maybe its the internal SD card that is the issue or storage management.
I find the RW rate slow and assuming that 4K videos will need more write, then it may heat up. (My phone heat up just for deleting sms! and phone basically hangs)
I not yet try taking many pics or video yet but if you have a good SD card with good i/o then you can try and change camera storage to the external SD card and try.
CPU management by the software for certain task could also be the issue.
Browsing the web so far has no issue on heating up - it does not require any writing to the storage.
SexyIceCream said:
all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
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I was really considering the S5 as well. I just can't stand that physical home button. I am coming from a Samsung GS2; though, I went back to my Nexus 1 because the SG2 went for a swim. The SIM tray no longer reads my SIM cards. Now I want this phone and I am seeing all these issues about overheating. My SG2 and Nexus 1 never overheats when playing games or taking pics. I live in New York City so I take the subway to work. I usually play games to pass the time. I can't have a phone that will overheat and damage because it is not able to handle my ride to or from work. What scares me is that Sony has not acknowledged whether the issue is software related and fixable, or if it's hardware related. I don't want to have to settle for the M8 and its horrible camera. The only phone I see in the pipeline is the Oppo Find 7 and it's awkwardly placed power button. Though, I am sure that will have its own share of issues...
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See, your comments scare me. If it's a hardware issue, then Sony will never fix it. Apple is the only company I know of that ever recalled a smartphone because of a defect consumers pointed out. I am afraid Sony, like many other companies, will simply address this issue in the Z3. Once the Z3 is launched, you will hear reviewers mention how much the heating issues while taking regular photos have been addressed since the Z2....etc Seriously wondering if I should cancel my order.
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Well, I cant decide how you interpret my comments, I can only assure you that all I have shared is my experience with the phone over the last month. Whatever I have stated are my own speculation from little points and info I got. My honest point of view is that if you are someone who does not really use your smartphone's camera, or just for a snap or 2 at one go, this issue most probably have little effect on your daily usage of the device. But if you are like me, who uses the camera function regularly, then it does becomes annoying when the device you bought have this issue. My work requires me to take pictures of decent quality, hence a smartphone's camera is enough. From the poll results so far, it seems like there are infact quite a number of people with no such issues, so there is hope. I am still deciding whether to give my local Sony's support a last chance, haha.
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Maybe its the internal SD card that is the issue or storage management.
I find the RW rate slow and assuming that 4K videos will need more write, then it may heat up. (My phone heat up just for deleting sms! and phone basically hangs)
I not yet try taking many pics or video yet but if you have a good SD card with good i/o then you can try and change camera storage to the external SD card and try.
CPU management by the software for certain task could also be the issue.
Browsing the web so far has no issue on heating up - it does not require any writing to the storage.
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I tryed using the sd card. But after 5min it closed. I have a 45mb/s SD Card.
The video is 7mb/s.
KyleSforza said:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-Xperia-Z2-has-liquid-heat-pipe-cooling-technology_id54935
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Again, I do not see a heatpipe in the disassembly, but then again it may be much much smaller, in which case someone should still be able to point out which of the parts is the heatpipe.
Rumors aside, the Z2 only gets hot at the upper end where the camera and the processor are located. Any heat dissipating solution (heatpipe, graphite, whatever) should distribute this, but on the Z2 the bottom three quarters of the phone remain cool, and only the top heats up.
I don't see what a heatpipe could even bring without a heat sink. With HTC I could understand, the whole case is one giant heatsink, but Z2 is surrounded by glass.
Having said that, mine has never crashed, so the heat is obviously not an issue (yet). I don't shoot 4k video and I don't have a 4k screen. By the time I buy one I'm sure Z3 or Z4 will be out.
SexyIceCream said:
all this talking is swaying my decision to get the z2. maybe i'll just go for the s5...(even though i'm really sick of its design...)
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I am confident that this will not be an issue. Should it be, I will just lean on the laws and get a refund.
However, my wifes is exquisite and a real wow-piece (hey! I'm talking about her purple Z2!) and has no problem at all with overheating. I am expecting my white on Monday, and the stresstesting I will let it endure will be gruesome. I'll post back my findings.
I'm sure the S5 is really good, but I am having troubles with the SAMOLEDs presentation of colors. And the plastic. And the Touchwiz UI. But that's just my personal preference.
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I am confident that this will not be an issue. Should it be, I will just lean on the laws and get a refund.
However, my wifes is exquisite and a real wow-piece (hey! I'm talking about her purple Z2!) and has no problem at all with overheating. I am expecting my white on Monday, and the stresstesting I will let it endure will be gruesome. I'll post back my findings.
I'm sure the S5 is really good, but I am having troubles with the SAMOLEDs presentation of colors. And the plastic. And the Touchwiz UI. But that's just my personal preference.
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if only every country had the same laws(with regards to this) oh well
tridious said:
Well, I cant decide how you interpret my comments, I can only assure you that all I have shared is my experience with the phone over the last month. Whatever I have stated are my own speculation from little points and info I got. My honest point of view is that if you are someone who does not really use your smartphone's camera, or just for a snap or 2 at one go, this issue most probably have little effect on your daily usage of the device. But if you are like me, who uses the camera function regularly, then it does becomes annoying when the device you bought have this issue. My work requires me to take pictures of decent quality, hence a smartphone's camera is enough. From the poll results so far, it seems like there are infact quite a number of people with no such issues, so there is hope. I am still deciding whether to give my local Sony's support a last chance, haha.
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Of course the question is if ppl. without issues ever put the camera under stress during a warm Sunny day, cause that's pretty much what I did right after picking the phone up, move over some flowers under sunlight, switch between modes and take numerous shots, and after about 5 minutes, 'camera overheated'. The person I picked it up from says he didn't experience this, probably due to lighter use, and everything was 100% fine for me too in shadows or after sunset, that includes any type of short video recording.
And that tells me that other than the Sun's extra heat and the app's high resources, screen brightness may play the key part here. There's a thing called screen throttling, a display getting dimmer via Android governor when the phone gets hot (happens to the Xperia T), so if the new Z2 screen at 100% makes the phone hotter than the camera app heat policy, it will logically force close. However the Z2 never was that hot when force close happened, Real Racing 3 on my Nexus 4 while charging gets much hotter, which tells me that the Z2 camera heat policy is too conservative.
Of course if the Z2's watertight body gets warm easily under stress, it is going to be a tightrope for Sony the set the policy right between performance and hardware protection, as 4k and heavy 20MP shooting with gorgeous 1080p live view will always require ISP and SoC to run high, and maximum screen brightness might kick temperatures too high... It's all speculation, yet if I can shoot 50 images in shadows with lower screen brightness without problems, then my theory seems quite well supported.
What do you guys think?
crótach said:
Again, I do not see a heatpipe in the disassembly, but then again it may be much much smaller, in which case someone should still be able to point out which of the parts is the heatpipe.
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This might be the reason?
Compared to PC and laptop heat-pipes, which range from 0.003 inches (0.8mm) to 0.08 inches (2mm) in diameter, smartphone pipes measure only 0.02 inches (0.6mm).
About the material : They are said to have better heat-dissipation effects than graphite carbon fiber sheets.
Morning All,
Thought I would share my thoughts on the LG G4 after owning it for a month. I use the in a business environment where I will spend 2-4 hours per day talking on it, so my review will come from that perspective more that from a gaming perspective. It was this difference in usage pattern that I thought may interest people.
Currently I have made no real changes to the setup of the device, it is still running stock everything and is a Telstra H815K model.
The look and feel of the device is excellent and gives a real feel of quality. I went for the brown leather option and to date it is completely un-marked by any signs of wear. When I first picked up the phone I was really surprised by how light it was. It is not a small device but it feels very very light and initially it feels like you are holding a toy. I think if you were to hold another phone at the same time you could be forgiven for saying it felt cheap due to the lightness but away from other phones you soon forget that comparison and just appreciate the fact it doesn't weigh a tonne. And really, no one says a Macbook Air feels cheap because it's light.
The leather back is a really really nice differential and I have had people ask what the case was and where they could get something similar. At only a month in I would expect a traditional back to still be pristine, but I had some concerns over the durability of the leather. Suffice to say that it looks exactly the same today as the day I got it. I will say though that my impressions of the black leather back were no where near as positive, as it had the look and feel of the fake leather patterning you often see on the inside of car doors.
Physical layout of the phone works well and it sits well in my hand. The narrow bezel around the screen means the phone is physically small compared to others with the same viewing area, with the draw back that sometimes my pudgy palm can just cross over into the sensor area of the screen. This does only happen when I am playing a game in portrait mode with two hands though so the impacts are limited.
I only have one criticism of the physical design and that is you cannot use the phone effectively if it is on a hard flat surface. This is due to the butt seam in the leather back acting as a pivot point and causing the phone to rock side to side. A usage case for me is to have the phone sitting on my desk and to type a text message on it. This is simply not possible with this phone.
The screen is excellent. Colours are very well reproduced and the colour balance is one of the best I have come across. When I have done a colour balance comparison the phone comes up a little on the blue side. But that for me is a lot nicer than the yellow you see on most other phones. It is also no where near the saturation levels of Samsung. I get no light bleed or detectable changes in brightness or colour and if there are pixels there somewhere they are way too small for me to see
Battery usage for me has been fine in most usage cases. By the end of the work day my phone is reporting that voice calls are using the same amount of battery as screen time, about 30%, and a full battery at 7am will be sitting around 35% come 6pm. In the evening though I have found that the battery will get annihilated by some of the games I am playing. Clash of Clans for example will chew 25%-30% of the battery per hour. That said those games smash my Nexus 9 as well.
Even when I am playing games for extended periods, usually plugged into the mains, I don't find heat to ever be a problem. The phone gets a little warmer than ambient but nothing more. I'm not sure if that is a side effect of the leather back or if the phone actually does run pretty cool but this phone is noticeably cooler than any phone I have owned or used in recent years.
Interface wise the default LG interface is ok. It's not brilliant but it's not completely sucky. It takes more grunt than it really should and the smart bulletin thing is frankly useless but I have used worse (not really a ringing endorsement I know). I've not had any issues with touch sensitivity or lag that I have seen others report and overall the interface feels as smooth as a device this powerful should feel. I will probably dump it when a custom rom is up and running nicely but that will be more about getting rid of the LG apps I will never use. My biggest complaint is the stupid smart notification system, seriously that is an oxymoron if ever there was one. I make lots and lots and lots of phone calls to lots and lots of different people, it's my job! Just because I called a number 3 times in the last week does NOT mean I want to add them as a new contact! So stop filling up my notification tray with "Frequent calls to xxxxxxxxxxxx. Add to contacts?" No! GO AWAY! DIE!!!! Seriously DIE!!!!
Camera is frankly excellent. I particularly love the speed at which it will take the first photo. Use the setting to "take photo on app start" and you can have a photo taken in around a second from pulling the phone out of your pocket. Most of my photos are of action shots of kids running around, and as anyone with kids knows you take 100 photos in the hope of catching one with you kids not looking like complete weirdos. The phone will take photos rapidly, keep moving targets in focus and the quality of the photos are good. When it comes to the manual aspect of the camera, honestly I think that is a bit of a wank. I'm sure it is very very good, but if I am going to take the time to mess around with f-stop and iso settings I will probably just use my SLR. Cameras in phone are replacements for your snappy camera, not a substitute for a SLR.
When it comes to sound quality, I use my phone as a phone not as a media player, so I can only comment on the telephone calls and they are good. Reception is also good being much better than my Note 2 or LG G2 ever were. Talking about reception though I have found the 5g wireless reception to be noticeably worse than other devices and I have had to stick my phone on 2.4g in order for it to have connectivity everywhere in my house. Other devices haven't had that problem.
Wireless charging and quick charging are a non-issue for me in my usage case so I don't have a reason to complain about those though I'm sure they would be a nice to have. Replaceable battery and microsd cards were however a big consideration in my choice. I still have an old Note 2 in use in my house, which is still trucking along after having a new battery put in it. I have also got an Lg G2 which was my first and only sealed phone which is now a useless paperweight as it will only hold charge for about 45 minutes of screen time. (yes I know I can replace the battery but why make it hard?) Phones are getting more and more powerful and the days of needing the next generation, as opposed to wanting, are gone. I now expect my $700 device to be usable for more than 2 years.
Overall I would highly recommend this phone. The things that are missing from it, QI charging, fast charging, finger print stuff, are not core things for me. I would have liked it to have had a slightly larger battery in it but that is offset by the ability to swap the battery at any time. The lightness was an unexpected plus and the screen is excellent. It has also become one of the cheapest flagship devices on the market, making it hard to go past. OEM software is always a bit dodgy but compared to the G2 & G3 it is a big improvement and it is much better than Sumsung's offering.
Nice review. For the most part I agree completely.
Thanks for the review!
Now I am convinced to take the gold plastic version, for typing on a table and for my car's sticky pad
The phone supports Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0, so not sure why you think "fast charging" is missing from it. Just get a QC2.0-certified charger and a proper USB cable (some can't pass the extra current).
Nice review
Good perspective from how most people actually use a phone. Your observations are spot on.
The one thing I disagree with is the notion that the camera manual mode isn't valuable just because you have an SLR. I think it's fun as nuts. Sure, I'm not going to expect to use my phone for a professional photo shoot, but the point is, the vast majority of the time, you don't actually HAVE your SLR with you. But you always have your phone. It's sure nice to be able to take amazing pictures when all you've got is your phone. Combine manual mode with the raw image format and you can actually do some pretty shockingly nice stuff, in situations where you hadn't planned to cart a big camera along.
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The phone supports Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0, so not sure why you think "fast charging" is missing from it. Just get a QC2.0-certified charger and a proper USB cable (some can't pass the extra current).
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It doesn't charge as quickly as fully supported devices. The higher output of the 2.0 chargers charges more quickly than standard chargers but there's a good reason LG doesn't list this as a feature of the phone.
{edit} Thanks for others pointing out that the G4 is now listed as official on the Qualcomm site. It seems that while the device is now listed as supported I have read a lot of tests by users that suggest we're not getting quite the speed promised by the spec. Perhaps this doesn't apply to all variants and/or software revisions.
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The phone supports Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0, so not sure why you think "fast charging" is missing from it. Just get a QC2.0-certified charger and a proper USB cable (some can't pass the extra current).
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It doesn't fully support QuickCharge and while you will see improved charging time with a QC2 charger over stock it still isn't at the full spec. Also this moves you away from full stock in the same way that you can get QI charging with a cheap sticker it isn't something it came with by default. In fairness perhaps I should have noted that QI and QCish could be achieved with relatively cheap accessories.
I noticed the 2.4 vs. 5ghz problem as well. Curious to find out why there's such a disparity in signal strength since 5 should be stronger, not weaker.
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Good perspective from how most people actually use a phone. Your observations are spot on.
The one thing I disagree with is the notion that the camera manual mode isn't valuable just because you have an SLR. I think it's fun as nuts. Sure, I'm not going to expect to use my phone for a professional photo shoot, but the point is, the vast majority of the time, you don't actually HAVE your SLR with you. But you always have your phone. It's sure nice to be able to take amazing pictures when all you've got is your phone. Combine manual mode with the raw image format and you can actually do some pretty shockingly nice stuff, in situations where you hadn't planned to cart a big camera along.
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Thanks.
Also with the camera I am absolutely sure you can get some amazing photos in manual mode, and I would expect that is especially true in low light conditions. I was however approaching it from my usage case which puts it in the too fiddly to use bracket. It's not that the interface is bad, quite the opposite in fact, I just can't see myself using it. Of course YMMV and it may suit your usage patterns well.
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I noticed the 2.4 vs. 5ghz problem as well. Curious to find out why there's such a disparity in signal strength since 5 should be stronger, not weaker.
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Other way around. 5ghz will carry more data than 2.4 but its signal strength will drop off much more quickly. It is also much more susceptible to being blocked by walls. When it comes to signal strength and connectivity the only advantage 5 has over 2.4 is there are often far more devices on 2.4 leading to more collisions. See http://www.speedguide.net/faq/is-5ghz-wireless-better-than-24ghz-340 for more details.
The reason I noted it was I will drop connection on my G4 when it is sat side by side with my Nexus 9 which is not having any issues on the same network.
Ah I meant clarity of signal. Sorry.
Interesting though.
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It doesn't charge as quickly as fully supported devices. The higher output of the 2.0 chargers charges more quickly than standard chargers but there's a good reason LG doesn't list this as a feature of the phone.
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Can you provide source info for it not being a true QuickCharge 2.0 device? It's the first phone listed on the QuickCharge 2.0 page: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge so I'm pretty sure it supports it.
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It doesn't fully support QuickCharge and while you will see improved charging time with a QC2 charger over stock it still isn't at the full spec. Also this moves you away from full stock in the same way that you can get QI charging with a cheap sticker it isn't something it came with by default. In fairness perhaps I should have noted that QI and QCish could be achieved with relatively cheap accessories.
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Can you provide any source information to back this up? It's the first phone listed on the QuickCharge 2.0 page: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge so I'm pretty sure it supports it.
Tests show that it does work, too: http://pocketnow.com/2015/05/11/lg-g4-quick-charge
I'm only going on other threads which other users suggested that the G4 was getting about 1.5%/minute on the quick charge as estimated by other users on the board. If they have since listed it, my apologies. On both 2.0 charges that I've purchases I'm not getting 2%/minute as the Qualcomm spec states.
Once again sorry to misrepresent since the "official" status appears to have changed.
Thanks for the review man
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Can you provide source info for it not being a true QuickCharge 2.0 device? It's the first phone listed on the QuickCharge 2.0 page: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge so I'm pretty sure it supports it.
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Can you provide any source information to back this up? It's the first phone listed on the QuickCharge 2.0 page: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge so I'm pretty sure it supports it.
Tests show that it does work, too: http://pocketnow.com/2015/05/11/lg-g4-quick-charge
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As jammin posted, I was basing it off old information and hadn't seen the specs had been updated. When I got the phone it wasn't listed as QC2 compatible, by either LG or Qualcomm. It is however worth noting that it doesn't come with a compliant charger.
Good review, thank you for taking the time to share your experiences.
On the topic of quick-charging, yes, even with a QC 2.0 charger, it doesn't charge as quickly as is implied by Qualcomm's website, or as fast as other quick-charging phones on the market.
Unfortunately, the phone significantly reduces the charge current as the phone & battery warm up. Buying the phone in summer in New England, it's rare that I consistently get even the ~1600mA that the LG charger is capable of, or the ~1950mA that I can get from my QC 2.0 charger. If the phone is cool, it will start out with those currents, but often quickly drops to about 300mA as things warm up (as the battery gets above ~90F, from what I can see). At 300mA, if it stayed at that current, it would take 10 hours to fully charge.
To me, this warm-temperature slowdown behavior trumps whether QC 2.0 is "fully" implemented. It slows you down to a fraction of what even the stock charger can provide. And you won't stay at the QC 2.0 rate for long, at least in a summer environment. I hope this can be improved with a software change that allows higher temperatures before reducing the charge current.
Update with pics
It's been 4 months since my original review and it still stands as the best phone I have owned. I really really wish root was easier and resultingly there was a large developer base but outside of that I love this phone.
Originally when I bought the leather I was concerned about how it would hold up. So far I have been very happy! My phones don't have the easiest life so to see the leather holding up so well really makes me happy. The photos below were taken with the G4 in question.
Hello Everyone,
Hope I get some help from here, so long story short but not too short:
I moved to S10 Plus after 9 years of Apple phones and now struggling to cop up with few issues on this Samsung device:
- Accidental touches in the pocket - Had to turn off AOD, double tap to wake up and lift to wake (one of the reasons I made a switch lol)
- Batter drain - 1 hour of SOT and phone is down to 80%, killing me as it drains so quickly in standby, every 10 minutes it would drop 1%, on Optimised battery, 50% brightness with Full HD resolutions - tried all other tweaks you mentioned. Only thing I am feeling is that I used SmartSwitch to bring my messages, call history etc from iPhone - if Samsung techies here think that might be the issue then please help me on how to backup my messages etc to do a clean restore (sorry I am new to Android and only know iTunes until now)?
- NO glass protectors - It is a shame that after you spend and buy such an expensive phone, one is unable to protect it with a Glass protector: I read Dome glass protector works but some people mentioned it does not work with fingerprint scanner - also its very costly too , please share your thoughts on how you guys are protecting the screen?
- Face unlock - I was using it and its too fast as well but stopped after I read its not secure at all!!!! why have they removed IRIS scanner!
Guys - I am really looking for expert help here as I love this phone and do not want to go back to iPhone as with the issues I am having its highly pointing towards returning this one and buying Apple again......
Thanks in advance!
What firmware do you have?
Face Unlock: disable faster recognition and do won't have issues about it security, the people in YouTube that did the test, made it with this option enabled that is less safe.
I have double tap enabled, for now the screen is no accidentally turned on
Battery is solved in ASCA firmware
erviren said:
Hello Everyone,
Hope I get some help from here, so long story short but not too short:
I moved to S10 Plus after 9 years of Apple phones and now struggling to cop up with few issues on this Samsung device:
- Accidental touches in the pocket - Had to turn off AOD, double tap to wake up and lift to wake (one of the reasons I made a switch lol)
- Batter drain - 1 hour of SOT and phone is down to 80%, killing me as it drains so quickly in standby, every 10 minutes it would drop 1%, on Optimised battery, 50% brightness with Full HD resolutions - tried all other tweaks you mentioned. Only thing I am feeling is that I used SmartSwitch to bring my messages, call history etc from iPhone - if Samsung techies here think that might be the issue then please help me on how to backup my messages etc to do a clean restore (sorry I am new to Android and only know iTunes until now)?
- NO glass protectors - It is a shame that after you spend and buy such an expensive phone, one is unable to protect it with a Glass protector: I read Dome glass protector works but some people mentioned it does not work with fingerprint scanner - also its very costly too , please share your thoughts on how you guys are protecting the screen?
- Face unlock - I was using it and its too fast as well but stopped after I read its not secure at all!!!! why have they removed IRIS scanner!
Guys - I am really looking for expert help here as I love this phone and do not want to go back to iPhone as with the issues I am having its highly pointing towards returning this one and buying Apple again......
Thanks in advance!
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Accidental touches in the pocket
I think it got fixed in the last update, if you're on Snapdragon, Snapdragon unlocked or Carrier Exynos you'll get it a bit later
- Batter drain
Did you follow every single step of the guide? You must be doing something wrong, one of your apps is clearly not giving a f about letting your phone rest, you need to find what is causing the problem, that's how it works on Android phones with more generous RAM management.
- NO glass protectors
They don't really protect anything, if the strike is well delivered both the protector and your display will crack anyway, plus they don't adhere to curved edges and they become a sticky mess.
The Dome costs way too much for what it does, it gives 50% chances of making your fp scanner useless and the protection it offers is limited to scratches, you can find clear TPU protectors for £2 that still protect the display from scratches and allow the fingerprint sensor to work.
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.
citytrader said:
What firmware do you have?
Android 9, G975FXXU1ASBA with Feb 2019 Security patch.
Face Unlock: disable faster recognition and do won't have issues about it security, the people in YouTube that did the test, made it with this option enabled that is less safe.
Ok thanks
I have double tap enabled, for now the screen is no accidentally turned on
I had to turn it off as accidental touches are there sadly..
Battery is solved in ASCA firmware
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Is there a way I can check ETA for March 2019 update for Australian unlocked version of S10 Plus?
Thanks!
Corv0 said:
Accidental touches in the pocket
I think it got fixed in the last update, if you're on Snapdragon, Snapdragon unlocked or Carrier Exynos you'll get it a bit later
I am on Australian unlocked device, how to check if I have SD or Exynos?
- Batter drain
Did you follow every single step of the guide? You must be doing something wrong, one of your apps is clearly not giving a f about letting your phone rest, you need to find what is causing the problem, that's how it works on Android phones with more generous RAM management.
Yes I tried most of steps from guide, I would dig more into it..
- NO glass protectors
They don't really protect anything, if the strike is well delivered both the protector and your display will crack anyway, plus they don't adhere to curved edges and they become a sticky mess.
The Dome costs way too much for what it does, it gives 50% chances of making your fp scanner useless and the protection it offers is limited to scratches, you can find clear TPU protectors for £2 that still protect the display from scratches and allow the fingerprint sensor to work.
Agree they are sticky mess - Samsung might realise and may release flat screen phone next time its still kind of satisfaction even of little chance to saving your expensive screen from falls, my iPad saved from a fall because of glass protector!
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
I am using Face unlock for now as its faster than on screen FP scanner.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I don't think I am going back to Apple as I love this display and phone so much and ready to learn the OS and dig into it with the help of you guys Using S10 Plus with S3 Frontier - what else one needs - just love it
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.
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Android Rocks!
erviren said:
Is there a way I can check ETA for March 2019 update for Australian unlocked version of S10 Plus?
Thanks!
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You can find the update here
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=3908710&share_fid=3793&share_type=t
I'm on New Zealand unlocked exynos and flashed that. Just check your csc is in the oxm multi csc list in that thread.
Use Odin with all 4 files using csc home file so you dont lose all your data.
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use the minimum display resolution is definitely your battery problems, i've compared the max and minimum resolution and not only is it such a small (i think, not entirely sure i can see anything i'm not wanting to see hard enough) improvement, if any worthwhile one that you'll never notice the difference anyway.
i can do two full days of moderate use easily with the minimum resolution, with the maximum the percents tick off nearly as fast as the minutes did.
edit: it was around two minutes for every 1% of battery from my experience on maximum.
toodamnmuch said:
use the minimum display resolution is definitely your battery problems, i've compared the max and minimum resolution and not only is it such a small (i think, not entirely sure i can see anything i'm not wanting to see hard enough) improvement, if any worthwhile one that you'll never notice the difference anyway.
i can do two full days of moderate use easily with the minimum resolution, with the maximum the percents tick off nearly as fast as the minutes did.
edit: it was around two minutes for every 1% of battery from my experience on maximum.
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I can clearly see the difference between minimum and FHD resolution and WHD, what's the point in buying so expensive phone if you only using it with 720p resolution in 2019 just to save battery?!! Honestly, I would rather prefer higher resolution than battery....
MRDOCA said:
You can find the update here
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=3908710&share_fid=3793&share_type=t
I'm on New Zealand unlocked exynos and flashed that. Just check your csc is in the oxm multi csc list in that thread.
Use Odin with all 4 files using csc home file so you dont lose all your data.
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Thanks but I would wait for another week for official release for Australian variants before trying to flash.
And the March update is here, wohooooo
Hopefully accidental touches would be fixed, let's see
Corv0 said:
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.
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Had to log in to this ancient account just to call you out on some Android fanboyism.
I have been using tech all my life. On phones I've used Windows Mobile 6, Symbian, Android, Linux, Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile and iOS. There is nothing obviously better or worse in Android. For most people, a smartphone nowadays needs to do a few things... social media, pictures, media consumption and calling. There is about zero difference in handling these things between iOS or Android. I am using an iPhone XS Max and the S10+ right now. Practical differences? Well, one has a biometric security lock that works basically 100% of the time, the other some gimmicky under screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner that is having a ton of issues .
Really, bringing up carefully crafted masks as a security risk :silly:. If you are a regular person, FaceID is going to be secure enough, probably even more secure than fingerprints (easier to get your prints off of something than to do an accurate 3D recreation of your face to create a mask). Don't forget that fingerprint scanners have been fooled plenty as well. If you want security, go use an old fashioned PIN all the time.
I'm sorry man, I understand you like Android and I'm not saying you shouldn't. Just drop it down a notch on the anti Apple stuff. One of the reasons Apple is still very popular is simply because it does what people need it do. It doesn't have all that much to do with people being scared of Android or a change, they just don't feel a need to change.I am probably going to sell the S10+ again. Not because it is a bad phone or Android is so scary to me, but because the iPhone suits my needs already and the S10+ doesn't really do anything much better.
Propanium said:
Had to log in to this ancient account just to call you out on some Android fanboyism.
I have been using tech all my life. On phones I've used Windows Mobile 6, Symbian, Android, Linux, Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile and iOS. There is nothing obviously better or worse in Android. For most people, a smartphone nowadays needs to do a few things... social media, pictures, media consumption and calling. There is about zero difference in handling these things between iOS or Android. I am using an iPhone XS Max and the S10+ right now. Practical differences? Well, one has a biometric security lock that works basically 100% of the time, the other some gimmicky under screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner that is having a ton of issues .
Really, bringing up carefully crafted masks as a security risk :silly:. If you are a regular person, FaceID is going to be secure enough, probably even more secure than fingerprints (easier to get your prints off of something than to do an accurate 3D recreation of your face to create a mask). Don't forget that fingerprint scanners have been fooled plenty as well. If you want security, go use an old fashioned PIN all the time.
I'm sorry man, I understand you like Android and I'm not saying you shouldn't. Just drop it down a notch on the anti Apple stuff. One of the reasons Apple is still very popular is simply because it does what people need it do. It doesn't have all that much to do with people being scared of Android or a change, they just don't feel a need to change.I am probably going to sell the S10+ again. Not because it is a bad phone or Android is so scary to me, but because the iPhone suits my needs already and the S10+ doesn't really do anything much better.
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Shouldn't have logged in your account at all, because there's no fanboyism and you should give another read or two to what I said.
As a fact, I'm only using Android because there is nothing better, I don't like it, even less love it, all these years and it is still a very fragmented and unstable system, I'm using it purely for adaptation, iOS died for me and for anyone else with a brain.
iPhones aren't the only devices with strict face recognition and I have criticized the technology of all of them, not just the one implemented by Apple, so you can tell Tim **** that he sent you here for nothing.
Twins and relatives can still easily fool faceID and youtube is full of reports about that, your face is also EVERYWHERE, and it will never change unless something bad happens to you.
Fingerprints are different, you have many, you can use your toe too if you want, your twins or clones will never have the same replicas and you can alter them yourself at any time.
Ultrasonic fingerprint sensors aren't used only for security and they can be used for health tracking too, even if no implementations have been published regarding that side yet.
It's all about a very versatile emerging technology vs a pure future-less gimmick for people that can't aim with a finger, really nothing else to discuss about it.
I can also see the difference in screen res, spending most of the day working on my phone. Battery is fine with WQHD and screen using adaptive brightness , battery lasts all day for me.
No need to turn resolution down at all none whatsoever
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I wish I could see a difference between the resolutions. Apparently I'm getting old ?
Android as OS doesn’t even adopted on screen fingerprint leave a lone 3D Face ID. Huawei add already 3D Face ID same as iPhone X with mate 20 Pro and it does works way better than unreliable on screen fingerprint that can be hacked with easy even lol. Don’t blame Apple for android failure since android can’t adopt one screen finger print, no true 3D Face ID and no [email protected] adopted on android last and not least there’s no even proper screen colors management unless of android OEM’s add, so fix your staff first then blame Apple lol.
Still cant believe they didn't put a front facing 3d depth camera on this device.
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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy A71 5G, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy A71 5G is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
This phone is a trooper, I put it through the test the other day on AT&T in Orem UT, Provo UT.
This device didn't have any issue Navigating, Charging, Connecting, Texting, Phone Calls and Data in a sweltering 98+ F car with no air conditioning.
AT&T's network at the time 16th of July 2020 was overloaded in the area, I also didn't find any NR frequency's while in AT&T's Innovation network footprint, so I was sadly disappointed not to see the 1G+ speeds.
This phone averaged
~40 Mbps on 5G - peaking at about 60.
~80 on 5G-E (AKA LTE+) - Peaking at 100+
Got me through ordering an Uber to get to Auto Zone to fix my coolant belt.
This phone made it through the day without fully charging with no problems on full-screen brightness for hours on end!
This phone has passed my stress test with flying colors, I just wish AT&T had a better network in the area I broke down, as the specific spot was only pulling ~0.1-5 Mbps. It was good enough to do the Uber request and download an app or two on the new phone.
I was honestly surprised that such a populated area had poor service speeds by I-15 in Orem Utah.
This phone has really surprised me on how good it actually is compared to how good I THOUGHT it would be, especially the camera. I'm very glad I picked this over the OnePlus 8 5G, even though I initially liked that phone a bit more. I could buy higher level Samsung, but this phone is a sweet spot that checks all the boxes for the "phone you live with". For what it's worth, I recommend checking it out- even if on the initial blushes of reviews you might think it inferior. It's better than I've read.
I'm honestly a bit disappointed in this phone. Coming from the Moto G7 Power I find Samsung's software to be clunky and less user friendly. The 5G connection on T-Mobile is pretty good in my area. I'm averaging around 60mbps with peaks over 120. That is compared to about 1/4 to 1/2 that speed on LTE in the same area. Besides the software and the ads that Samsung serves you on its built in apps, I've experienced a few connectivity issues where the phone will have poor or no connectivity or at times it will drop to LTE from 5G when there is a strong 5G signal as verified by my son's One Plus 8. Toggling airplane mode for a few seconds then turning it off seems to "fix" the connection every time, but this is an annoyance that shouldn't be present on a $600 phone. Perhaps a future software update will address the issue. I also find the in screen fingerprint reader to be slow and inconsistent compared to the Moto's back fingerprint reader which was quick and accurate. The face recognition unlock works maybe 10-15% of the time. Most of the time it says No Match.
Honestly, I wish I'd waited for the Moto Edge or spent the extra $100 for another One Plus 8
I can't fault this phone much, other that hating Samsung's Bixby
and a few minor apps or adjustments. I'm on Sprint; the box is labeled for T-mobile,
so it should be good for the imminent absorption of Sprint.
I'm coming from an HTC EVO 4G LTE, which is from 8 or more years ago.
Remember that much: I don't change my device every year or two.
It worked great for my purposes until it started randomly restarting
and developing dark spots which grew on the display.
I rooted that device the day I brought it home, and unlocked the bootloader and unlocked the device
within a week or less. Just my history.
My wife got one of these as replacement of her old Galaxy S5 a week or two ago,
eliminating her troubles of the same random reboots and other issues.
It's a bit larger than I'd like it to be, but I understand that most people
are not like me, and want gigantic displays.
The display is of high quality, to be sure.
I cannot tell if I'm connecting to 5G; I suspect it hasn't yet been implemented here.
I get only an "LTE" icon in the status bar, as well as signal strength of Sprint radio, which is 100%
This is my first day with the phone; I have not yet commuted to work
or otherwise moved around with it.
I'm having trouble with accepting the main button's placement nearly in the middle of the righthand side
of the device, as my previous device placed it at the top. It's awfully easy to hit that button
just when picking up the device. Nevertheless, I've a case/holster arriving soon,
which should help to alleviate that inconvenience and decrease the likelihood of the button press.
I deactivated/uninstalled as much as I could, Googling each as I went along.
Sadly, Bixby has limited ways of disabling, and I don't like Bixby at all.
Samsung's bloatware is actually far more than HTC's was, and they don't
provide options as HTC used to.
As expected, there's an awful lot of Samsung-specific software I don't want.
Most of it can be uninstalled or disabled, but a handful cannot be dealt with.
[EDIT to add:]
So, I find some weird things on the Google Play Store which are shown as installed,
but don't show in any app lists locally: ANT Radio Service/Ant+ Plugins Service, Mobile Installer
(Apparently from SOFTBANK CORP), a couple of others. I get the SoftBank thing,
as they funded Sprint a while back, but ANT Radio -- ? I suppose it's maybe radio
hardware drivers?
I do get a 5G signal at work and home. It's a stronger signal at my workplace,
not so much at home, but throughput is significantly faster than 4G.
The display is indeed a very nice one, far better than my old device.
It's similar to my upgrade of desktop PC's 1920x1200 monitors to a pair
of full-on 4K monitors; that's how much sharper this display appears.
Battery life is fantastic compared to the incredibly-aged HTC EVO 4G LTE
this phone replaced. I could commute 15 minutes to work from 100% charge
on the HTC, and it could be anywhere from 15-35% depleted by the time
I got there, even with all radios off. Today, the A71 got me from a 98% charge
upon going to bed last night, to a final value of 87% battery upon returning home.
That's a significant difference over the 60-some to 40-some percent the HTC
would end my workday with.
5G is incredibly fast, far more so than 4G. I think I got almost 60Mb/s actually got 205Mb/s when
testing from SpeedTest, while 4G gave me around 25Mb/s max.
Even with only 2-3 signal bars out of 6, on a 5G signal, I'm getting as high as
a 25Mb/s throughput, which is better than 4G will do at my home location.
The phone responds well, and maybe a bit too readily, to touch even with
a 9H glass protector on it. There's a setting somewhere for this, and I may
explore its' options. It's not a major detractor to me.
This thing is super-thin as compared to what I've had, which is one major reason
I have a case/holster on the way. I expect it to knock down sensitivity of the
main button, as well as make it easier for me to simply pick up the phone
without pressing a button, along with general handling.
And the holster is is also something of my needs, as I don't like to carry
bulk like this in my pockets.
It seems very well-made, with excellent fit & finish of the outer shell.
It was incredibly annoying to pull off the flimsy and very-well-stuck
protective film on the outer edges. Samsung could easily apply a film
which isn't as well-adhered as the infuriating crap they currently
apply to the device.
It's kinda heavy for its size, which would indicate a rather strong
construction of substantial materials. Then again, maybe it's just
that high-capacity battery inside it.
Camera output is actually extremely good, to someone(me) who owns a Pro-Grade
Canon EOS 5D Mk IV. I'll have to spend time with the optional settings,
but I can say that the Auto-HDR gives quite good results, producing
fairly impressive images with scenes lit unevenly.
The Ultrawide option is also reasonably impressive, delivering perhaps
a wider field of view than my Rokinon 14mm super-ultra-wide lens
on a full-frame camera.
Colors appear true on my 4K calibrated monitors, while sharpness,
dynamic range, noise, and overall accuracy of the scene are also very good.
Overall, the camera and app produce a very high-quality output.
After a few days' use of this phone, I very much like it overall.
The things I'd like to change now will require root access,
so I'll keep checking in here in hopes of some progress.
Hey y'all! Man, it's been forrrreevverrrr since I've been around XDA. I was big in the early 2010s hackin' and crackin' my Note 3 and 4 at the time. From there, Note 5 and forward, cant hack em..so I've been stuck with stock. That said, I've been rocking my note 8 from verizon for quite awhile now and really been completely satisfied with it. Ultimately, I want the big display, and the big battery....so I never really cared about the stylus. So, as you can tell I've been a big note lover.
So, how does that relate to an A71? Well since early 2020, verizon launched a crap software update where the GPS was useless. It drove me nuts. So, I've been on the hunt for a new phone. However, I was repulsed by the 1200 dollar price tag of todays premiere phones.
Cue, the moto stylus G. The launch of the stylus G was right on target for my phone restlessness. So 300 bucks later, and.....well.....it was a 300 dollar phone. Dont get me wrong. The camera is adequate at 48MP, the battery life is great, and the AOSP interface is always great. Worked fine, and it sufficed on one of the two core features I *need*. Now, a quick aside, I'm on consumer cellular, on ATTs network. My note 8 was a verizon purchased and branded phone. Back to the stylus. The moto was great in one respect, it allowed data while on a call. This is an absolute must for me. Period. The other key feature was wifi calling. This, did not work. The hidden menu kept saying that it wasn't provisioned, but consumer cellular said it was. Ok. I considered going back to my Note 8, but it did not allow the data+calling. It would go into 3G mode when on a call. So, that was out.
Now, cue the A71. I had some people tell me how good their non-S samsung phones were, and that they recommended them. I started looking at the A71 since, well I'm used to a flagship phone. Amazon prime day came around, and I thought hard on it for about 3 or 4 hours as 409.99 was staring me in the face. I said screw it, and bought in. I got it two days later, and started setting it up immediately.
First, all my woes were cured with an unlocked phone. I have LTE+, I have VoLTE, I have data in a call, and I have wifi calling. All working, right out of the box. I got software and apps setup, and I'm a power user. I have lots of stuff on there, so many email accounts, so many apps, etc etc etc. And the A71 held up perfectly. Now, it doesn't have a perfectly flat display, which was disappointing. I prefer the tempered glass screen protectors.....so that's a bummer. However, the skinomi on my note 8 has been fine for years, so hopefully they release one for the A71. My city claims its on the 5G map, but that may be ATTs fake-5G crap, which is the LTE+...so I'm not sure if we have true 5G here or not. However, the phone has just impressed me and I can't tell any difference from a flagship phone. For less than half of a Note, I'm quite satisfied and I dont have to worry about stupid monthly payments for the next decade. I do hate the fingerprint scanner though. It was most natural on the back as a dedicated sensor.......I hate this on screen thing. Fun gimmick, but works like 25% of the time. I do have a case with a screen protector though.
So, I'm seriously considering the OP8pro over my current s20+. While the Samsung is nice, I find myself restarting the phone at least twice a week due it to crashing on apps like maps, waze, android auto, texting. This alone is irritating to say the least. Especially when on a road trip and your using AA and everything goes wonky. I've seen several videos, read the forums, etc etc...seems the OP has some issues but maybe some of it has been fixed? Anyone have experience with both devices and able to give me some feedback? I know I'm going to miss the AOD but OP says its coming. Some threads say the phone gets hot, bad battery drain and lackluster camera especially at night? But I love the oxygen software too. One UI is nice, but like I said, restarting the phone is a pain the the fingerprint sensor is garbage.
Any input would be helpful, thanks.
MHB1638 said:
So, I'm seriously considering the OP8pro over my current s20+. While the Samsung is nice, I find myself restarting the phone at least twice a week due it to crashing on apps like maps, waze, android auto, texting. This alone is irritating to say the least. Especially when on a road trip and your using AA and everything goes wonky. I've seen several videos, read the forums, etc etc...seems the OP has some issues but maybe some of it has been fixed? Anyone have experience with both devices and able to give me some feedback? I know I'm going to miss the AOD but OP says its coming. Some threads say the phone gets hot, bad battery drain and lackluster camera especially at night? But I love the oxygen software too. One UI is nice, but like I said, restarting the phone is a pain the the fingerprint sensor is garbage.
Any input would be helpful, thanks.
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a week ago I switched fm S20+ to OP8pro
s20+ was exynos though
Anyhow, I have no overheating problems and battery life is great.. currently I'm on 6h 40 min SOT with 21% juice left (4g + wifi, FHD+/120Hz ), so in theory I should reach 8hrs easily
S20+ would give me around 6hrs to 6.5hrs before dying and that was on wifi during covid lockdown. Presume yr snapdragon s20+ has better batt life
OP camera so far has been great, but truth being told I did not test the camera at night. Indoors and under artificial light the phones are comparable. S20+ camera was occasionally inconsistent, sometimes photos came out really great then again sometimes not really worth of a flagship
OP8Pro screen.... what to say, it is amazing under normal or bright light conditions
but.... as many others, also I have the black band in the status bar.. it is noticable only with certain darker backgrounds (grey...) and at minimum screen brightness..so I do not notice it during normal use, but it bothers me knowing it is there
Don't think many people here changed from S20+ to OP 8 PRO but i might help a bit since coming from a long journey with several Samsung's family in the past. ( S9+ my last one)
Never had any crashes with maps, waze or texting (never used android auto). You tried cleared cache on those apps ?
Not saying Samsung is good (or bad) .
On the OP8 Pro, don't have any drain and heating i consider normal when your pushing processor with games or GPS. ( related to S9+ )
There are complains all over the internet with any devices. Most people only post bad things but this alone doesn't make the phone bad (remember the huge number of people like myself with no problems at all don't come here saying good things )
Thank you guys for your inputs. It helps. Ordering me the Pro right now.
Had both S20+ and S20 ultra although both exynos I went straight back to 8 pro , Samsung's this time round just way off the mark total rubbish in my opinion [emoji28]
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MHB1638 said:
Thank you guys for your inputs. It helps. Ordering me the Pro right now.
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Wise choice! Your going to enjoy the ride...
Ordered the ultra, didn't come.
Saw the 8pro on three, got it, world's apart, it's just a better phone.
Rapid and great stamina. Plus it looks great. I can't fault it.