101points vs 107 s10+ on dxo.... what do you say - Samsung Galaxy S10+ Questions & Answers

101points vs 107 s10+ on dxo.... what do you say - Samsung Galaxy S10+ Questions & Answers

Here I Give you same picture with same light...
1st picture pixel 3xl one camera +101 points
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2nd s10+ 3 cameras +107 points

Same picture? Ok, I see two very different pictures.

_katho_ said:
Same picture? Ok, I see two very different pictures.
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so you are telling me that you cant see the mess of s10+ hmmm?

HD+ makes miracles.
Use the gcam port on the S10 and try again.

tufftatino said:
HD+ makes miracles.
Use the gcam port on the S10 and try again.
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i will note use hd+ on a phone witch costs 1000 euros

Noexcusses said:
i will note use hd+ on a phone witch costs 1000 euros
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also i cant see 107 points??

Nice try..

They're two completely different pictures, different lighting, different focus points.
Are you trying to prove anything? That's not how photo comparisons are made, you just sound like you're butthurt over what DXOmark's ratings say.

Corv0 said:
They're two completely different pictures, different lighting, different focus points.
Are you trying to prove anything? That's not how photo comparisons are made, you just sound like you're butthurt over what DXOmark's ratings say.
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Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely

Noexcusses said:
Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely
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Nevertheless you should really try to take both pictures from the same angle, same position etc. There are just to many variations. Pixel 3 will probably be better, yes, but still would be interesting to see the same photo on both cams.
I have given up on dxmark a long time ago. Seems they just keep upping the score with every major smart phone release. I would much rather see pictures taken by regular users as you, but they should be identical to really be able to compare them.

Noexcusses said:
Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely
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My focus is perfectly fine.
Why don't you at least make the effort to take two pictures from the exact same angle?

Ati75 said:
Nevertheless you should really try to take both pictures from the same angle, same position etc. There are just to many variations. Pixel 3 will probably be better, yes, but still would be interesting to see the same photo on both cams.
I have given up on dxmark a long time ago. Seems they just keep upping the score with every major smart phone release. I would much rather see pictures taken by regular users as you, but they should be identical to really be able to compare them.
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Definitely phone serious problems at in doors pictures... and at night... Night mode isn't stabilized yet.. im just w8ing for the March security update for some fixes..

Yeah we already know about manual night mode coming and much more, this phone came out 10 days ago, chill.

I like the camera on the S10+, and i like that you have options. For me personally, night sight is not important at all, as it just does not reflect reality. I want a picture to represent a moment in time. I want to capture something as i saw it at just that moment. If it is too dark, the resulting picture should reflect this. But that's just my opinion, but i understand why this is important for a lot of people.
Edit : just to clarify, less noise is of course always better. I was talking about the voodoo that Pixel does when using night mode.

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Low Light performance of Note 3 Camera

So I LOVE THIS PHONE, it has been everything I ever wanted in a phone except one key part; The low ligth performance.
I have taken a bunch of pics in darker settings (at work, in clubs, restaurants) and all my pics look blurry/oily (oil painting effect) and the only time I get sharp pics is on close up pics (really close up) with flash.
Is this the norm for this phone? Is samsung releasing an app update?
Do you guys have any apps that solve this issue and can you post them here/the setting you use with them. I have attached some pics below to show examples

I have the same problem.

have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?

For me it turned out the smart stabilization mode was the culprit, disabling it fixed it.

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have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
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Yep and it only makes things more bright with no real advantage...it still looks blurred/oily and details are hard to make out; but hey I have a little bit more contrast/better colors

Updates wont' fix it - it's the hardware.

Take a look at the tiny little lens on the back of your Note 3. Then compare that with a point & shoot camera. Then realize N3's camera takes in a fraction of the light and has a miniscule sensor. Do you really expect similar performance?

You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.

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You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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what setting do you use in low light?

As I already said there is no one setting for all, but just to give an example, don't use smart stabilization for close distance , because then flash won't fire and here flash will give best results. On the other hand if you were shooting sunset, don't use flash because exposure will be too dark, unless you have people right in front as main subject etc. Smart stabilization won't work for moving objects, since it stocks multiple exposures on top of each other, but it may work pretty well for some static pictures. You could also try to manually set ISO and again it all depends, higher ISO will give you shorter exposure but much more noise, so for static picture you could try lower ISO and brace the phone against some hard surface to avoid shake, or even make a tripod. But nothing beats the light, so always try to position yourself with light behind you, so let's say inside the house have window behind you, not in front of you.

Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.

NightOrchid said:
Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light

edo101 said:
I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2.
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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Yep I know, but reviewers all do that, its amazing what a new free phone will do to grease a reviewers wheels. I tend to watch independent YouTube reviewers, theres a few honest ones around if you look for them. There seems to be an obession that bigger is better, and in the terms of Camera MPx.. No its not.. trust me,. Look at the HTC One 4 Ultra Pixel.. Its fantastic, the Note 2 is a great phone and its cheap now. Go for it
Good luck

note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience

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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?

edo101 said:
So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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NeoDJW said:
note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Agreed , Its a great camera.

NightOrchid said:
Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?

edo101 said:
Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps

edo101 said:
I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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AFAIK, the pen functionality in the Note 3 is better.
The camera on the note 2 sounds like a winner...
I guess you need to choose. Since it is only dark in so many situations, I would err on the better specs and forward thinking of the note 3 in terms of android trim, better specs, and future updates.
A $80 point and shoot will do even better than a note 2.

NightOrchid said:
How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
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If you can get a wider picture from the Note 2. Note 3 seemed to have a narrow wide angle. (so lets say Note 2 was 16:9, Note 3 would be 16:11) thats what I mean. you can capture more area with the Note 2 camera

HTC One M9 Camera discussion (not for photo samples)

Albert Poon said:
May I ask you guys with M9 to take pics using manual mode? A tripod, phone holder, low ISO, long explosure to take some night views?
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This was missing in the flickr album. Long exposure 1/4, 1/2 or 1s shots. And please use flickr so we can see exifs easily. board attachments and imgur strip exifs out. I notice the phonearena samples have no exifs in them at all.
Though i have to say i like this one. Just enough silhouette to set the mood.
ISO 80 and 1/40 WHAT!!! for late afternoon Seattle in winter. I can't tell if its HDR or not.
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https://plus.google.com/10388377056...6126393456474303042&oid=103883770561517758752 Link to the beetle picture on his Google+ with a resolution of 1108 x 625. Definitely cropped/compressed
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Taken with VSCO cam, ISO 50, 1/268. So ample light.
Also used flash. Sharpness is set to soft.
A nice photo.
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vegetaleb said:
Here a comparison of crop between M9 and Note 4 in not very low light conditions taken by the Tweakers review, you can clearly see the superiority of the Note 4 in the details like the logos of Goodyear and the wheel:
I know it's not final software but this M9 camera is giving the same results the SE C905 could give 6 years ago
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Note 4 is ISO 400, 1/10
M9 is ISO 640, 1/14
About half a f-stop difference.
What if the M9 tried to get that with ISO 300 ie ISO 200 +0.3 at 1/7 ? or go slower still ISO100+0.3 at 1/3 ? can't do these tricks with the note, slowest it will get is 1/8 and then its auto night mode kicks in which did not happen in this picture. S5 & note 4 have improved their low light capability over their predecessors in auto but i bet you can come close to matching it if not exceeding it with manual on m9.
Light in this shot is quite low btw.

th3 said:
This obsession is what makes every product better in every field, than its predecessor.
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That pair is not as important as you think it is and that applies for all with good light.
Where this 'trounces' occurs is in low light. I've already said what needs to be done.
Without this obsession, there can be no better or worse product, and you'll still be saying "good enough" to the HTC Desire camera
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with macros yeah i would because there is no difference there. I've seen three year old devices do excellent macros. Hint: macros are not a good demonstration of what the latest camera can do.
The only real innovation we've had in sensors is BSI over the last two years. More sensitive in low light. You couldn't do that with 2013 devices, m7 was the sole exception. The rest is processing, how much of it or lack thereof.
On a more general level the trick with these devices is to know when to compromise and when to be maximalist. There is no perfect device so what you end up with is what you can tolerate over what you cannot do without. Every device has this trade off. Unfortunately you are alone with making this decision. Unless you are lucky to find others whose requirements match yours closely. Now do you see why i said minor. its minor in a larger context.
What you're saying... 'Moving the goalpost' it's called. Common trick.
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no tricks. calling it straight.
i don't trust auto.That on some devices its always flawless is a myth. auto goes wrong even on dslrs. what will you do then ? blame the device or your own ignorance. better to understand why and what went wrong and then fix it. and you can.
What i'm sensing here is an unwillingness to do so. That is something else.
Your opinion is not supported by the data we all have.
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That does not make what i said wrong. Its up to people here to provide that data. particularly low light with manual.
Its right because i've seen the same done with numerous devices already. This is how cameras work. They need light.
Give them that and you get a good shot. simple.
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tryfound said:
No, your whole post is invalid. I'm testing AUTO, feel free to grace us all with your superior photography skills when you get your M9.
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actually i should have said your tests were pointless and it was a waste of my time to go through them. test the note 4 in low light with manual in m9 that's what you should have done.
I wanted to see manual being used in the low light. You've got no excuses when the camera provides it. If you can't do that then its your problem not the m9.
bad auto does not mean bad camera. bad auto will be fixed. The Z1 took 3 months to get it right. What did people do, the lamers whined whereas the rest got busy with manual and got good shots from day 1.
make up your mind or sell.
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vegetaleb said:
At last a camera comparison between M9 and Note4 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-One-M9-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id3963/page/3
In daylight the Note 4 is significantly better, the M9 will smudge
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Show me smudge in daylight, i want to see how much. actually link the shots.
In low light even resized to 640x480 the M9 is very blurry and smudgy, the Note 4 is millions years ahead.
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All the low light shots have the m9 using high iso in guess what auto. The reviewer did not even try manual and blurred one of the shots because he could not hold a 1/7.
Conclusion: unless you want to use your photos only from daylight situations and only resized to Facebook and other social medias (of course no crop at all) . you should consider the Note 4 as a very good choice of camera phone in every situations.
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Do you realise that to display on a HD device you only need 1MP or on a full HD it only takes 2MP. Anything more than that gets resampled.
You don't let facebook or anybody else resize it you do it yourself then upload wherever.

tryfound said:
You're so full of yourself. How dare I waste your precious time.
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Look, you're not helping me, i'm helping you to help yourself as well as others in this thread.
Make up my mind or sell? Sell what? Some people here asked to see comparisons with the Note 4 and I gave them.
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And i'm pointing out why there were inadequate. They do not add anything above what reviews are saying.
I did not bother going through the imgur stuff since there are no exifs to see there. Assessing image quality let alone commenting without exifs is pointless.
To suggest that I should be tweaking manual settings on an M9 to achieve the quality of the Note 4's auto shots is beyond comprehension.
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auto shots are average x average, is this what people base their opinions on ?
manual means you take a test auto shot then see whether you can improve it in manual. That is how you will exceed what the reviews have shown and we get to see the best this camera can do. This is what any owner that wants to improve and exploit manual is going to do over time.
Why someone would not want to improve his shots is beyond my comprehension.

tryfound said:
Some more shots with the M9, large res then small res second. Had to use imgur because of filesize so these are compressed images, don't bother zooming for details, some of the higher res images I took have been reduced to a size smaller than the 'small' res images due to their original filesize, I guess that's imgur's way of compressing.
http://imgur.com/PeWfBMx
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http://imgur.com/2AtDjvr (HDR)
http://imgur.com/mP0g0aP (HDR)
http://imgur.com/NApwPvt
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http://imgur.com/1FPUAw7
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I just looked at images and they look really good. I am surprised M9 managed to capture that pristine detail I never seen before. White balance too looks so great not like previously green tint that was all over images.
One thing I am not able to find is camera data in adobe bridge and also colour space is untagged. That usually happens when photo being stripped of exif data. Have you by any chance gave some editing to them?
Thanks

I agree with a pack that camera should perform to the best on auto. If it doesn't , software has to be optimised if it's not then it's engineers faults Or hardware limitations.
it applies to the majority of the smartphone photographers . People want point and shoot.Even being enthusiast photographer and love digging my camera and phone camera I hate when auto underperforms when I simply want to take my phone out of the pocket and shoot.Every enthusiast can tweak but that defeats AUTO purpose .
There are average performers good and very good. Unfortunately M9 is not very good.Good ? Maybe....if light is favourable...at the moment it is consistently weak in certain situations. The usual wash out reminded me of the spill that when lets say camera lens gets in the studio shot or outside and for this purpose hood is used . This is one of the speculations I come up with. Somehow HTC phones consistently suffer from that. Could be they have same team of engineers that can't find the key to successful Software optimization or not so decent hardware just guessing here. Being visualphile that particular trade off with HTC devices just kills me.

nebulaoperator said:
I agree with a pack that camera should perform to the best on auto. If it doesn't , software has to be optimised if it's not then it's engineers faults Or hardware limitations.
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I've seen this issue with other devices. xperias camera software was never quite ready at launch. Lots of bashing. Took them a few months to get it right. Mostly auto. Then shots come out with lower ISO which you could have got yourself if you tried. Image quality is better now. why ? iso is lower. So if auto is taking high iso then low iso will get you a better shot.
So when people say camera is not working its auto. No other issues i can see so far. They will fix it but in the mean time if manual settings are tweaked you will get the results you want today. Most do not know how to do that or worse do not want to.
it applies to the majority of the smartphone photographers . People want point and shoot.Even being enthusiast photographer and love digging my camera and phone camera I hate when auto underperforms when I simply want to take my phone out of the pocket and shoot.Every enthusiast can tweak but that defeats AUTO purpose .
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General advice i give to people who cant take photos is go with the koreans or apple. if you want more then look at others.
First time i came across an iphone camera after seeing the usual controls in nokias and android was wtf do i do with this. Some shots can't be got with auto. when there is no access to manual then you are stuck. take it or leave it. its only a phone camera, you're not supposed to do anything more. Who said so ?
Many people take shots and figuring out who is at fault is a tricky business. Of course the tendency is to blame the device but the person taking the shot is the most responsible, always.
There are average performers good and very good. Unfortunately M9 is not very good.Good ? Maybe....if light is favourable...at the moment it is consistently weak in certain situations.
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Low light with auto. From what i've seen consistently boosts auto up. There are even night modes which to date i've not seen anybody even try. HELLO!
So auto is not picking these modes for some reason. Its a bug. But if you set it yourself then what is the result. Much better i bet.
The usual wash out reminded me of the spill that when lets say camera lens gets in the studio shot or outside and for this purpose hood is used .
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A lens hood decreases lens flare and saturates colours. Take a shot in shade of a sunny area. If you're getting lens flare then its clearly user error. Not just with this device but with any. I would just use my hand out of camera to block some of the light or avoid unwanted reflections. Here is a good example
https://www.flickr.com/photos/palmsolo/sets/72157651089646798/with/16274675233/
cloudy day, massive light box in the sky. Colours are all rich. Which is best. i cannot tell
interestingly enough the low end devices suffer less from this problem because the sensors are not as sensitive. They can take good shots in awful bright light which would be washed out with more capable sensors. Not much use indoors though.
This is one of the speculations I come up with. Somehow HTC phones consistently suffer from that. Could be they have same team of engineers that can't find the key to successful Software optimization or not so decent hardware just guessing here. Being visualphile that particular trade off with HTC devices just kills me.
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The ones typically from what i've seen blow out the sky. They are a little more quirky in getting those blue skies. Overexposed. HDR is one way to do it but it can be tricked also. i remember this work around from the m8 forum where this guy pointed close to the sun to lock exposure and then recomposed back on the scene. The picture was remarkably better. You don't have to do this all the time only in certain situations.

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Gizmodo: The Best Smartphone Camera: Samsung Galaxy S6 Edition. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw4ZO08yA

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Some more shots with the M9, large res then small res second. Had to use imgur because of filesize so these are compressed images, don't bother zooming for details, some of the higher res images I took have been reduced to a size smaller than the 'small' res images due to their original filesize, I guess that's imgur's way of compressing.
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Some yesterday snaps here:
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Disclaimer: I should learn how to use quotes.
I've seen this issue with other devices. xperias camera software was never quite ready at launch. Lots of bashing. Took them a few months to get it right. Mostly auto. Then shots come out with lower ISO which you could have got yourself if you tried. Image quality is better now. why ? iso is lower. So if auto is taking high iso then low iso will get you a better shot.
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Whether it's ISO OIS or else it does not stop camera to perform well. Take A look at Iphone 6 it works wonders. Low light is not on the par with M7 m8. The thing you have to understand , strongly camera orientated phone should not come with a sticker on the box " want a better image use manual"
[/QUOTE]So when people say camera is not working its auto. No other issues i can see so far. They will fix it but in the mean time if manual settings are tweaked you will get the results you want today. Most do not know how to do that or worse do not want to.[/QUOTE]
A lot people say because AUTO doesn't work. Why would I have buy "they will fix it" if I pay 500-600 GBP for a phone. It doesn't work like that. And in most cases software improved performance but only to a point .I own M7 and know it's weaknesses.And I don't want to use manual though I know my phone from inside to outside.
[/QUOTE]General advice i give to people who cant take photos is go with the koreans or apple. if you want more then look at others.
First time i came across an iphone camera after seeing the usual controls in nokias and android was wtf do i do with this. Some shots can't be got with auto. when there is no access to manual then you are stuck. take it or leave it. its only a phone camera, you're not supposed to do anything more. Who said so ?
Many people take shots and figuring out who is at fault is a tricky business. Of course the tendency is to blame the device but the person taking the shot is the most responsible, always.[/QUOTE]
I saw ifone users don't even know AE/AF lock exist till I showed. Iphone 6 has the simplest UI that can be invented I also call it Dummy proof. I think you can get an app to have access to tweaks option otherwise it's a bit limited to my taste. I can blame phone camera without long hesitation for two reasons: if hardware sucks or software or both. Then no amount of tweaks can help you. M7 is notorious for washouts, poor dynamic range. I found HDR was never a strong suite of M7 neither M8 or M9. However if you can tweak settings you might get away bringing images to photoshop. That's what I do. On the other hand only minority people are enthusiast like we are and the majority should be at least faulted for what smartphone manufacturer didn't do in the first place. If iphone , nokia, samsung(from 2014) proved there is a lot more that can be done with camera.
[/QUOTE]Low light with auto. From what i've seen consistently boosts auto up. There are even night modes which to date i've not seen anybody even try. HELLO!
So auto is not picking these modes for some reason. Its a bug. But if you set it yourself then what is the result. Much better i bet.[/QUOTE]
Low light was nevera weak spot for HTC One line(until now M9) it was cloudy weather condition with little contrast, also situation when I have half frame window in and the other half room. It would go into extremes overexpose the light in the window or underexposedarks barely visible. Sensor and software is not coping with dynamic range. I kind of like night mode but found it to slow in some situation due to the shutter speed so I just used normal mode it did great though. I wish I could try RAW mode but unfortunately I am selling my phone today ( Not sure if RAW will be brought to lollipop for M7)
[/QUOTE]A lens hood decreases lens flare and saturates colours. Take a shot in shade of a sunny area. If you're getting lens flare then its clearly user error. Not just with this device but with any. I would just use my hand out of camera to block some of the light or avoid unwanted reflections. Here is a good example
https://www.flickr.com/photos/palmsolo/sets/72157651089646798/with/16274675233/
cloudy day, massive light box in the sky. Colours are all rich. Which is best. i cannot tell
interestingly enough the low end devices suffer less from this problem because the sensors are not as sensitive. They can take good shots in awful bright light which would be washed out with more capable sensors. Not much use indoors though.[/QUOTE]
I worked with photographer who used hood for the headshots and it was game changer.
For instance Iphone6 is least prone to that error but most Android camera phones I came across are. I was surprised by Note 4 results and S6 I would never think they can do so well. So it must be bug or hardware or both as I mentioned earlier. Nice photos from M9 but WB is somehow a bit off sometimes on the blue side( couple of weeks before it was to yellow green Funny enough you are the first I came across that used hand to block the light I do that too. I guess we both come from the same/similar trade.
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The ones typically from what i've seen blow out the sky. They are a little more quirky in getting those blue skies. Overexposed. HDR is one way to do it but it can be tricked also. i remember this work around from the m8 forum where this guy pointed close to the sun to lock exposure and then recomposed back on the scene. The picture was remarkably better. You don't have to do this all the time only in certain situations.[/QUOTE]
AE/AF is a very handy tool. I am glad smartphones have this simple yet very effective feature.

Quadrider10 said:
Review on bunch of cameras.
Gizmodo: The Best Smartphone Camera: Samsung Galaxy S6 Edition. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw4ZO08yA
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I didn't think the M9 looked bad. Need to use a computer instead of my note 4
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And guys, chill out. I don't think M9 will have the best camera, but it will hopefully be enough. What I'm worried about is the speed of the camera and SOT. I will probably buy it anyway because I love HTCs mix.
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You're not helping anyone mate. Pig with lipstick is still a pig. No matter how much spin you are putting on it.
Everything you are saying is your subjective opinion not backed by any reviewer or already debunked. No data at all.
I don't see any fruit in continuing this back and forth "I think" or "you can do this in software" discussion with you. I, and 99% of users, only care about how the product performs out of the box. A few may go further, with manual. That's it.
Lame apologist excuses don't hide that. If you can do x with M9, you can also do better with S6/iP6/N4 etc starting from a better base.
I'll have the M9 31st March. Then, we'll see.
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Look, you're not helping me, i'm helping you to help yourself as well as others in this thread.
And i'm pointing out why there were inadequate. They do not add anything above what reviews are saying.
I did not bother going through the imgur stuff since there are no exifs to see there. Assessing image quality let alone commenting without exifs is pointless.
auto shots are average x average, is this what people base their opinions on ?
manual means you take a test auto shot then see whether you can improve it in manual. That is how you will exceed what the reviews have shown and we get to see the best this camera can do. This is what any owner that wants to improve and exploit manual is going to do over time.
Why someone would not want to improve his shots is beyond my comprehension.
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That pair is not as important as you think it is and that applies for all with good light.
Where this 'trounces' occurs is in low light. I've already said what needs to be done.
with macros yeah i would because there is no difference there. I've seen three year old devices do excellent macros. Hint: macros are not a good demonstration of what the latest camera can do.
The only real innovation we've had in sensors is BSI over the last two years. More sensitive in low light. You couldn't do that with 2013 devices, m7 was the sole exception. The rest is processing, how much of it or lack thereof.
On a more general level the trick with these devices is to know when to compromise and when to be maximalist. There is no perfect device so what you end up with is what you can tolerate over what you cannot do without. Every device has this trade off. Unfortunately you are alone with making this decision. Unless you are lucky to find others whose requirements match yours closely. Now do you see why i said minor. its minor in a larger context.
no tricks. calling it straight.
i don't trust auto.That on some devices its always flawless is a myth. auto goes wrong even on dslrs. what will you do then ? blame the device or your own ignorance. better to understand why and what went wrong and then fix it. and you can.
What i'm sensing here is an unwillingness to do so. That is something else.
That does not make what i said wrong. Its up to people here to provide that data. particularly low light with manual.
Its right because i've seen the same done with numerous devices already. This is how cameras work. They need light.
Give them that and you get a good shot. simple.
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actually i should have said your tests were pointless and it was a waste of my time to go through them. test the note 4 in low light with manual in m9 that's what you should have done.
I wanted to see manual being used in the low light. You've got no excuses when the camera provides it. If you can't do that then its your problem not the m9.
bad auto does not mean bad camera. bad auto will be fixed. The Z1 took 3 months to get it right. What did people do, the lamers whined whereas the rest got busy with manual and got good shots from day 1.
make up your mind or sell.
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Show me smudge in daylight, i want to see how much. actually link the shots.
All the low light shots have the m9 using high iso in guess what auto. The reviewer did not even try manual and blurred one of the shots because he could not hold a 1/7.
Do you realise that to display on a HD device you only need 1MP or on a full HD it only takes 2MP. Anything more than that gets resampled.
You don't let facebook or anybody else resize it you do it yourself then upload wherever.
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You're not helping anyone mate. Pig with lipstick is still a pig. No matter how much spin you are putting on it.
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Went right to the end for the punchline
I'll have the M9 31st March. Then, we'll see.
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Hah so despite the s6 camera 'trouncing' the m9, you actually went in for what ? .....<drum roll>....the M9 <applause>
Confirms what i said earlier, the image quality differences weren't enough to deter you.
Lame apologist excuses don't hide that. If you can do x with M9, you can also do better with S6/iP6/N4 etc starting from a better base.
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yeah so why didn't you get one of them then ? riiiiightt. Why the narrow obsessions with image quality somehow don't pan out in the end. Bigger forces at play.
With ip6+ and 3rd party camera with manual controls. you can improve over stock auto. With the same on the iP6 or even iP5x and a steady hand you can come close if not match the plus.
S6 & N4 or even the G3 don't offer shutter speed control so there is no way to tell how effective their OIS is, its just stated and i believe its there but no way to tell like say with the iP6+ that can do a 1/4 handheld. Night mode on the recent samsungs is good. Much improved over earlier versions. They boosting sensor gain and fiddling around. To get a similar shot would require an exposure two times longer with other devices including the m9. So you will have to work at it.
No idea when raw support will come for the above. But i bet you get it on the m9 before them. Your details issues will disappear at that point but you have to process each image yourself.
Everything you are saying is your subjective opinion not backed by any reviewer or already debunked. No data at all.
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So you do not understand that delaying shutter and lowering iso will improve image quality in low light ? This applies only with stationary subjects btw, forget doing it with people or anything that won't sit still.
Sop with any camera that allows manual control, i can show you manual lumia 930 vs note 4 where it gets pretty close and auto did not. When more people post later you'll see what i mean.
I'm most interested in the low light shots and rarely bother with daylight comparisons because they are pretty similar. In fact my problem with smartphone cameras is too much detail strange as that may sound. because it makes isolating subjects harder. Everything is so damn clear. Because its the equivalent of an f11 lens in 35mm speak. Depth of field is deeper. Great for macros but not others.
I don't see any fruit in continuing this back and forth "I think" or "you can do this in software" discussion with you. I, and 99% of users, only care about how the product performs out of the box. A few may go further, with manual. That's it.
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If you want better photos what i said works. 99% or not is meaningless. This is xda, do 99 % care about rooting, custom firmwares, or any number of hacks people share here ? So what 99% are you referring to and why do they matter. If anything i'm more interested in the 1%.
what i've said wrt to manual is no different. In fact its common knowledge to anyone who has a clue.
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Why they didn't use iP6+ ?
1. night shots all soft because iso got boosted on m9. 2nd shot wrong wb for m9. 4th shot all have blown lights, cannot do this without blending.
2. again iso got boosted on m9. second selfie, because background is brighter so iso drops and looks normal.
3. is about where you set exposure.
4. macros are similar. contrast can be improved in post.
5. panoramas, heh all not to my liking because of cylindrical projection. no straight horizontals with such a wide fov.
6. food, can be improved in post or use manual. That ISO is maybe close to 600 try to get it at half.

curiousgeorge1893 said:
Not quite on topic but I've got an M8 coming, I'm ditching my Xperia Z2 for it, is that a good idea do you think?
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What is it about the Z2 that you don't like ? You'd be trading fantastic video stabilisation for none.
The scene modes should help in low light if you use them right. However the lack of shutter control can be frustrating. A quick tweak can't be done. More trial & error.
I was put off by the 4MP camera as i admit I like to zoom and crop, however I like a phone that is good in lowlight.
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What does 4MP do ? sharpens the mind. You have to think more carefully about what you want to get it right. If you want to zoom & crop then you need to be closer to your subject. if you can't do that then 4MP is out.
Also, I like a phone that offers manual controls and shutter speed, HTC phones are the only ones that do this plus a like a phone that has a good flash and takes photos quickly.
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m8 is a fast shooter in auto. But this gap has been closed with the S6 and the S5 is fast too. Have you considered them ? No shutter control though. Given what they've done may or may not be that critical. These samsungs are primarily auto shooters. If they get what you want great, if not don't complain because you can't do much.
As for similar manual controls the hybrid zooms had them first and optical zoom is a plus. crop in camera not afterwards. K zoom or wait for the successor. Slower though. And apertures are smaller. 3.1 all the way to 6.3. Working OIS.
I was planning on getting a secondhand M9 later in the year but to be honest I am disappointed as I feel that HTC have go fowards then 2 steps backwards with the M9 camera. Whilst it's great it has a higher resolution, the f/2.0 aperature in the M7 and M8 is now f/2.2 on the M9, in my opinion it should have been f/2.0 or f/1.9, also lack of OIS is disappointing and it seems lowlight on the M9 isn't as good as the M8? Very disappointing if so.
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The difference between f2.0 and 2.2 is a quarter a f-stop. That's like getting a shot at ISO 200 instead of 250. Or 1/50 instead of 1/40. Its insignficant as one or the other parameter will compensate anyway so not really as notable as reviewers make out.
However the m9 isn't as fast a camera as its predecessors.See the camera speed benchmark. Almost twice as slow as the m8. And the Z2 is faster than the m9. Does this matter ? only if you're rushed. And if you are you're not going to get very good shots to begin with. Is the choice no shot or passable. In that case look at an advanced compact with a 1 inch sensor. Much more light, faster lens and better quality. For the same money.

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I've noticed twice that it gets confused with halogen and neon lights, turning cream and red into green. With a yellow i can see how green can happen by wb adding blue, so just need to use a fluorescent wb or more. But cream into green is inexplicable for me. If its a bug then only a firmware update can fix it.
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I like the Z2 but not the post processing, it smudges details, I read on here that the Z3 does the same?
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Whenever camera has to produce a jpg and do it fast it has to make a call between preserving detail (ie more noise) or smoothness (less noise). I've seen smudging happen with vegetation, it happens with all jpg outputting devices to varying degrees. To make larger features look good means smaller are going to appear less sharp. Must have the lowest ISO with a longer shutter that means anything that moves is out unless light is good or smudging gets worse.
Only way is raw but you have to process every image yourself, and its a much bigger file so it will be slower than 4mp jpg.
Compare these two from nexus 5. Jpg vs processed RAW. Pull the full resolution and pixel peep all you want.
The originals come from fv5 site.
You control what should be more in detail or not instead of some average one size fits all algorithm with an impossible task that is optimised for speed by trading off image quality. Image quality here isn't file size but a function of how much luminance and chroma noise is preserved or not.
That algorithm and its implementation is the source of lots of heated argument over which is the better camera. Silly really.

SPreston2001 said:
The whole camera comparison may be silly, but 90% of users just want to pick up the phone and snap good pics. Most users don't fiddle around with the camera settings or even know what they do for that matter lol. All they see are which photos look the best when they pick up their phone and take a pic. The M9 camera seems to be alot better than the M8s camera but it still tends to fall behind Apples and Samsungs imaging abilities.
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Then those people should stick with the brands mentioned. Those brands are for people with no interest in photography. WHAT took the shot is more important than WHO took it. That is the mindset auto everything encourages, what did the owner do, just press a button. Still I would not be surprised to find people even on those boards complaining about something or the other.
Where i'm coming from is what if you don't want those brands for whatever reasons. What then ?
You wait for firmware upgrades and you learn how to get better shots. What went wrong and how to get around it.
My attitude is you are stuck with this thing and you are going to have to make the best of it. Few months later you will find people here doing just that. A review can never match it.

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Then those people should stick with the brands mentioned. Those brands are for people with no interest in photography. WHAT took the shot is more important than WHO took it. That is the mindset auto everything encourages, what did the owner do, just press a button. Still I would not be surprised to find people even on those boards complaining about something or the other.
Where i'm coming from is what if you don't want those brands for whatever reasons. What then ?
You wait for firmware upgrades and you learn how to get better shots. What went wrong and how to get around it.
My attitude is you are stuck with this thing and you are going to have to make the best of it. Few months later you will find people here doing just that. A review can never match it.
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So HTC phones are for people who have interest in photography?? Lol they usually have the worst cameras amongst flagship devices yet theyre for photography minded people?? You act as of HTC is the only manufacturer that has the ability to tweak the camera settings. Most "serious" photographers won't use a cellphone to take a pic. The whole idea of cell cams is to capture quick and beautiful everyday life pictures. The ability to tweak the settings is just a added bonus for those who want to get a little more serious with it.
But to each his own I guess. When it comes to cell cams I just wanna pull it, out take a pic, and expect it to look good. If tweaking the settings to get the perfect shot is for you then that's fine. But all I'm saying is those same things can be done with other manufacturers cams too.

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This is a photos thread. We need photos! The weather for another day is gales and heavy rain here, so ruined my planned day of shooting again. Using manual settings I have captured some good shots (but private photos of family). Lowering resolution down a fraction helps in lower light. Auto is OK but when I take control even with a single tweak the difference is noticeable. I've used the S6 and S6 Edge and compared it with my Note 4. The S6 has a good auto mode.
This is my S6 and S6 Edge camera shots , and vs Note 4 camera. http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/03/19...sung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge-plus-camera-shots/
I will have more in depth analysis when it's stops raining .....
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Can't say my experience with the s6 / edge was similar. On the camera front yes the camera is fast. But I found a huge issue with white balance and somewhat heavier than normal post processing (pretty evident when you look at the photos on a camera). The problem is even in pro mode, the camera still struggles with white balance. I am a white balance whore to be honest and when I see a camera struggle, I shudder.
Touchwiz lagged for me. Immensely. I kept flicking through the homescreen, not many widgets above the stock ones, and there were multiple times the device just locked up. Even after rebooting the device quite a few times, there was lag. Off topic, I watched the verge podcast recently and they also affirmed a lot of the lag I experienced with my model.
So far, I'm semi disappointed. The devices are light (like physically, I expected something much heavier). The GS6 felt boxy and somewhat sharper for my tastes while the Edge just "fit" in my hand like a really nice glove. I was stunned that the edge was the more interesting feeling device. Both devices are fingerprint magnets though almost to the point of being disgusting. After 10 minutes of handling, I was in awe with the amount of smudges and oil the back of the device accrued from general handling.
Handling is something that the Edge excels in for the most part. It feels "natural" to swipe at an edge point and get a hamburg menu from Google. And you do in GMAIL, Google Play, and a myriad of other areas. It just feels like touchwiz didn't necessarily provide too many gesture driven tasks that would really take benefit of the edge display. II mean sure you get the call context menus and the light up gimmick, but that's about it sadly. The shame of it all is that above that, the GS6 is a beautiful iphone 5-5s ripoff and the Edge is something of a quagmire begging for a developer to put it to good use. It can be obtrusive but not so much to the point it ruins the user experience.
Overall, I'm left somewhat underwhelmed with the devices. Sure, the screen is gorgeous with marvelous viewing angle fitting for a flagship. But it feels like the GS6 / edge is a iterative step in a unique and bold direction that didn't fully deliver.
Shame actually. Most people will love the GS6 / Edge. Me, I'll be forever disappoint

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So HTC phones are for people who have interest in photography??
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What purpose is there to provide manual controls then ? nokia started this btw.
Lol they usually have the worst cameras amongst flagship devices yet theyre for photography minded people??
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its a mindset that comes naturally to those that are into photography. They are going to try a great deal more before throwing in the towel.
Very obvious when i see Jesse's photos. You make the shot not the camera. newbies whenever they see a nice photo always want to know what camera took the shot. The person, well he just clicked. How hard could it be. They like to hide behind their cameras. Often i see shots that are horribly taken and well it was the camera's fault.
HTC is a bad camera with people who cannot take a photo. I've never bought into the 4MP was bad. A full HD screen can only display 2MP anyway. if you're not zooming or need to then you're focus is on how nice the shot looks rather than whether you can count hairs on somebody's head. I've seen people post nice photos here. if you need to crop your photos then you ain't thinking about your shots or your use case exceeds what 4MP can provide.
You act as of HTC is the only manufacturer that has the ability to tweak the camera settings.
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lets be clear on what manual settings i'm referring to here. Who else offers shutter speed control ?
apple only woke up to the fact in their latest OS. prior to which you could do squat cos um turtle neck deemed it unecessary. Nokia had them early and the cheapest lumias 635 ? do too. samsungs don't not even in their latest. neither does moto, or LG which went backwards with the G3 or Sony. The Chinese provide some more. So yeah HTC since the m8 was the only android offering on a fixed focal lens that offered shutter control. Makes it easy to fix things if you were so inclined. Samsung's galaxy camera is the only other that can claim to have had it first on android earlier and its a compact.
Most "serious" photographers won't use a cellphone to take a pic. The whole idea of cell cams is to capture quick and beautiful everyday life pictures. The ability to tweak the settings is just a added bonus for those who want to get a little more serious with it.
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A cam is a cam and you can learn photography with any cam and play more with one that allows manual settings. I don't have a DSLR because i've not got to the point where i need one. I take shots every day and i like to tweak them because auto cant get it right. Its very normal to have access if not always necessary. But i'd rather have them and not need them than the other way around.
If you drive a stick shift you won't enjoy driving a cruiser.
But to each his own I guess. When it comes to cell cams I just wanna pull it, out take a pic, and expect it to look good. If tweaking the settings to get the perfect shot is for you then that's fine. But all I'm saying is those same things can be done with other manufacturers cams too.
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I never expect it to look good, if it does then conditions were perfect and i was lucky, i will usually take a auto shot and if it fine leave it at that or try to tweak things about and take a couple more. I always try to take more than one. A phone is going to get thrown into so many varied situations that would challenge a pro. To expect to get it right in one take with a phone camera when pointing at anything you can think of isn't realistic.

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Whether it's ISO OIS or else it does not stop camera to perform well. Take A look at Iphone 6 it works wonders. Low light is not on the par with M7 m8. The thing you have to understand , strongly camera orientated phone should not come with a sticker on the box " want a better image use manual"
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A tweak here or there will always improve a shot. How many people know that. Then there is the question of will. if its there and you don't use it then its not the camera's fault. It is there for flexibility.
iphone 6 no, but 6+ will get shots at 1/4. Apple thinks slower than 1/12 is not feasible for iP6. To go slower than 1/4 have to use 3rd party soft to tweak things. iphone camera has always been capable but until ios8 there was no way to access camera parameters so low light was never good.
I saw ifone users don't even know AE/AF lock exist till I showed. Iphone 6 has the simplest UI that can be invented I also call it Dummy proof. I think you can get an app to have access to tweaks option otherwise it's a bit limited to my taste.
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yes its useful there is also a way to do some exposure comp but it changes metering to spot from average or whatever apple equivalent is. A review was comparing 6 & 6+ and saying photos looked better with 6+ until i saw the exifs and pointed out both were using different metering. So of course shots will look different.
With the latest ios you have much more options than before. Curious apple did a u turn there. But not stock just with 3rd party software.
A lot people say because AUTO doesn't work. Why would I have buy "they will fix it" if I pay 500-600 GBP for a phone. It doesn't work like that. And in most cases software improved performance but only to a point .
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So wait for a few months then decide. As for firmware improvements. If you take a shot with firmware a at ISO 200 and compare with firmware b at ISO 200, there will be little difference.
What i mean is they can lower ISO for lower light shots so it does not boost it so high. This will improve auto some. But to go further it requires manual. Possible now, if somebody would try.
They can improve white balance with auto but it will get tricked some times so only up to a point.
I can blame phone camera without long hesitation for two reasons: if hardware sucks or software or both. Then no amount of tweaks can help you. M7 is notorious for washouts, poor dynamic range. I found HDR was never a strong suite of M7 neither M8 or M9. However if you can tweak settings you might get away bringing images to photoshop. That's what I do. On the other hand only minority people are enthusiast like we are and the majority should be at least faulted for what smartphone manufacturer didn't do in the first place. If iphone , nokia, samsung(from 2014) proved there is a lot more that can be done with camera.
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They are trying to make it easy for the average person in the hope of selling more products. The traditional way is to learn how to use the product. I know the washouts you mean, blown skies etc. But once a person is aware of that you can improve it.
Low light was nevera weak spot for HTC One line(until now M9) it was cloudy weather condition with little contrast, also situation when I have half frame window in and the other half room. It would go into extremes overexpose the light in the window or underexposedarks barely visible. Sensor and software is not coping with dynamic range. I kind of like night mode but found it to slow in some situation due to the shutter speed so I just used normal mode it did great though. I wish I could try RAW mode but unfortunately I am selling my phone today ( Not sure if RAW will be brought to lollipop for M7)
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So what are you getting ?
freedcam can already output raw on m7 & m8 and by the looks of it m9 too. htc made this easy.
I worked with photographer who used hood for the headshots and it was game changer.
For instance Iphone6 is least prone to that error but most Android camera phones I came across are. I was surprised by Note 4 results and S6 I would never think they can do so well. So it must be bug or hardware or both as I mentioned earlier. Nice photos from M9 but WB is somehow a bit off sometimes on the blue side( couple of weeks before it was to yellow green Funny enough you are the first I came across that used hand to block the light I do that too. I guess we both come from the same/similar trade.
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It was an accidental discovery. I was taking shot of somebody outside the house from inside with a tab (!) and wondered why the clothes were so saturated.
There is something up with the m9's WB i can see from numerous photos. But nobody is trying manual to fix it.
Was looking at latest world press photo contest. Many with pro dslrs and i saw one person entered an iphone photo and its in the list of winners. Out of 95k entries !!! smartphone photo..Can you believe it

Lol this thread is very entertaining to say the least

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Lol this thread is very entertaining to say the least
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So what's your take on the M9 pictures, if I may ask?
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Blind Camera Shootout - Your Opinions

Hey,
i came across a blind shootout recently which featured 5 phones, one of them the LG G4.
The shootout was done by an android site and i will name the site after i post the results (i guess one or the other might know where it was from or might find it after a research - please don't give away clues or spoilers in that case).
I would simply like anyone who is interested to download the pix in the link below, compare them and share your thoughts about which phone takes the best pix in your opinion.
5 different pix were taken with each of the 5 phones (Phones, or to be more precise the Cameras are simply named A, B, C, D, and E).
For better comparison each folder contains the same picture taken with the different phones.
I would greatly appreciate it if you let me know which camera you think took the best photos and/or why.
As I said the LG G4 is one of the phones, I'll name the other 4 phones (all top ranked cams on DxOMark by the way) along with the solution on monday to give us all some time to view the pix and discuss.
I hope many will participate
Here's the link:
Blind Camera Shootout Files
Greetz,
vercetti.

Nice of you to do this, but you are not the only one who reads PA tests... NHF but you could've simply put a link of the blind shootout...
If i'm wrong i'm sorry...

I think we all already know which phone in all of the world takes the best photos, or we wouldn't be in this thread in the first place!

hey guys,
i didn't put the link in (yet) because it renders the comparison useless due to the posted solution of which camera took which photos. viewing pictures without knowing which camera took them is simply more objective...
and i posted it in the LG G4 section for a reason: i think the pix it took in this test shoot are much worse than most of the other cams and i was just wondering if you would also name one of the other 4 cams as your best shooter in this test - this only makes sense if you don't know which cam took which pictures (the reason why i didn't post the original link yet).
I'm not an owner of an LG G4 but I'm considering getting one since its camera has been praised so much (especcially manual mode + raw). The results of this shootout surprised me though.
Maybe it's just because of its weak auto mode (I'm sure all test shots were taken on auto mode on each camera). The G4's auto mode has been criticized by quite some people. I just don't understand why the G4 did so badly in this shootout.
Check the pix in the download link i provided in my first post and tell me which cam took the best pix in your opinion? A, B, C, D or E?
greetz,
vercetti.

I have used every mobile phone with a great camera, and the only one even close to the G4 is the camera is the GS6 - you have to tweak a couple of things to get all of the performance, though

Tweak a couple of things on GS6 or G4 (to get better results)?
If G4 - which tweaks are you thinking of?
Thx for your input.
v.

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I would simply like anyone who is interested to download the pix in the link below, compare them and share your thoughts about which phone takes the best pix in your opinion.
5 different pix were taken with each of the 5 phones (Phones, or to be more precise the Cameras are simply named A, B, C, D, and E).
For better comparison each folder contains the same picture taken with the different phones.
I would greatly appreciate it if you let me know which camera you think took the best photos and/or why.
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cannot expect to understand strengths and weaknesses of 5 different devices with a sample size of 5 (!)
The photo can change if you point the camera at a different angle.
if you want to know what the G4 can do and how good its camera is go through the photo samples thread. Look at hundreds of photos under different lighting conditions. Understand the features the G4 camera brings over the competition.
As I said the LG G4 is one of the phones, I'll name the other 4 phones (all top ranked cams on DxOMark by the way) along with the solution on monday to give us all some time to view the pix and discuss.
I hope many will participate
Here's the link:
Blind Camera Shootout Files
Greetz,
vercetti.
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Problem i have with the site you've sourced these from is they do not include exifs in any of their test shots and neither are thier sample shots in full resolution. That is a double fail in my book.
I realise the samples you provided are indeed full resolution but without exifs.

Thx for your answer One Twelve,
indeed 5 samples is very small, but i think if one cam produces 5 good pix while another one does not, that does indicate a difference (of course changing angle/direction will result in different exposure, focus etc. but don't forget, in a test like this all cams undergo these limitations and so if one does better than the other that sort of proves a point i think).
Yes, I've viewed every pic in the sample photo thread (not only on xda but also on other boards) and some are just incredibly good! Again, i have no doubt that the G4 is capable of the best results but usually only when shooting in manual mode and using raw format to process them later and get even better results.
Yes, the shots were stripped of exif data, only the resolution remained in there (was not done by me, i took them just how they were in the test).
The exif was surely stripped to not give away camera model/name.
My favorite Cams in this test were A and E. I thought B, C, and D had very much less detail and sometimes blurry or washed out and less contrast.
The contenders in this shootout were:
Nexus 6P
Motorola X Play
LG G4
Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
Sony Xperia Z5
I'll post the results later on today as I promised.
Greetz,
v.

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Thx for your answer One Twelve,
indeed 5 samples is very small, but i think if one cam produces 5 good pix while another one does not, that does indicate a difference (of course changing angle/direction will result in different exposure, focus etc. but don't forget, in a test like this all cams undergo these limitations and so if one does better than the other that sort of proves a point i think).
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what point is that This is some random shoot with 5 devices and the opinion of readers is solicited. its a popularoty contest that does not go into pros & cons, features of any of the devices concerned.
What i wanted to check is that auto hdr was not set for landscapes. Hdr will produce a less sharper image as its a blend of more than one image. you do not want hdr to come on in such a comparison. it might for some and not others. how to tell ? With the G4 the exifs will indicate immediately but not in this case.
Also shutter speed indoors can play a factor. How fast the shot was taken. sometimes shot is taken without getting focus and its softer. How to tell ? no way.
have seen images where focus is not sharp even when shutter is adequately quick. its a focus problem. Can happen with any device.
Yes, I've viewed every pic in the sample photo thread (not only on xda but also on other boards) and some are just incredibly good! Again, i have no doubt that the G4 is capable of the best results but usually only when shooting in manual mode and using raw format to process them later and get even better results.
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I found it a bit curious you said the g4 does not do well with auto. In over 6 months the amount of people that complain about this i can count on the fingers of one hand. Compared with almost every week with some other models.
Yes, the shots were stripped of exif data, only the resolution remained in there (was not done by me, i took them just how they were in the test).
The exif was surely stripped to not give away camera model/name.
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True i checked them on the site. But they don't provide exifs for any of their shots. A problem I suspect lies with their publishing platform rather than deliberately.
My favorite Cams in this test were A and E. I thought B, C, and D had very much less detail and sometimes blurry or washed out and less contrast.
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I liked E the best.
The contenders in this shootout were:
Nexus 6P
Motorola X Play
LG G4
Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge
Sony Xperia Z5
I'll post the results later on today as I promised.
Greetz,
v.
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Just two out of five in that list have OIS. Was OIS tested here ? no. A competent OIS is very important unless you plan to shoot everything in excellent light.
Three out of five come with expandable storage. Just one also offers a replaceable battery.
There is another contender that will probably beat all of the above and that is the lumia 950. Was it in this test ? no
When i saw the results of this test, yes i know the rankings. A pattern jumped out.
The top two by popular vote use multi-segment metering by default, the remainder use centre weighted metering. For landscapes the former metering will look better but in other kinds of scenes centre weighted will come out better. There are tradeoffs between the two and each works best depending on the scene.
So when doing this test the metering should be the same for all. Unfortunately one candidate in that test is the odd one. It uses a different metering by default that cannot be changed so it has an edge in certain situations and a disadvantage with others.
Is difficult to conclude much without seeing exifs and they are not going to come
For future reference you want full resolutions with exifs intact to be able to start a conversation about this topic.

Wow, thx for the lengthy reply, i really apprecciate it! you bring up some interesting points that I'd like to know more about - if you have the time to answer of course.
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what point is that
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The point being that all of the 5 phones were tested in the same "bad" way. Like you already mentioned: "alter the time, direction, perspective or whatever to a small degree and the picture will be different". Yes, that is true. But this applies to all 5 phones here, not just to one. So if some produce better pix throughout the 5 shots than it implies that these phones cope better with various situations, adapt more precisely and more realiably provide better images. That's all I'm trying to say.
the opinion of readers is solicited. its a popularoty contest
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And I couldn't care less about the results of the voting
What i wanted to check is that auto hdr was not set for landscapes. Hdr will produce a less sharper image as its a blend of more than one image. you do not want hdr to come on in such a comparison.
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Thx for this information piece, very good to know.
Also shutter speed indoors can play a factor. How fast the shot was taken. sometimes shot is taken without getting focus and its softer.
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Can't understand this. Why should the chosen shutter speed influence the previous act of focusing? Shooting at 1/1000 sec doesn't mean that I want the shot to happen in the next 1/1000 of a second! I could adjust focus for half an hour if I want and then get a frame which was exposed for a 1/1000 second.
have seen images where focus is not sharp even when shutter is adequately quick. its a focus problem. Can happen with any device.
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I guess this is what you're trying to say regarding the out of focus issue.
I found it a bit curious you said the g4 does not do well with auto. In over 6 months the amount of people that complain about this i can count on the fingers of one hand.
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I know! That's why I don't get why the 5 shots in the test came out the way they did. How could he/she have messed them up so badly compared to A and E?
I liked E the best.
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Yes, hard to decide for me between E and A.
A pattern jumped out.
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What do you mean?
So when doing this test the metering should be the same for all. Unfortunately one candidate in that test is the odd one. It uses a different metering by default that cannot be changed so it has an edge in certain situations and a disadvantage with others.
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Which phone is this?
Is difficult to conclude much without seeing exifs and they are not going to come
For future reference you want full resolutions with exifs intact to be able to start a conversation about this topic.
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Yes, you're right.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts/knowledge with me!
Greetz,
v.

Hey, as promised the results:
A = Galaxy S6
B = Nexus 6p
C = Xperia Z5
D = LG G4
E = Moto X Style
Original article is from the german androidpit site, here it is:
Link
And here the blog entry with the results:
Link
Greetz,
v.

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The point being that all of the 5 phones were tested in the same "bad" way. Like you already mentioned: "alter the time, direction, perspective or whatever to a small degree and the picture will be different". Yes, that is true. But this applies to all 5 phones here, not just to one. So if some produce better pix throughout the 5 shots than it implies that these phones cope better with various situations, adapt more precisely and more realiably provide better images. That's all I'm trying to say.
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How will they behave in another 5 situations. Another 5 and so on. I cannot say. Just that in these 5 we can see some differrences.
Thx for this information piece, very good to know.
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with some devices you can tell if hdr is used with others its not indicated.
Can't understand this. Why should the chosen shutter speed influence the previous act of focusing? Shooting at 1/1000 sec doesn't mean that I want the shot to happen in the next 1/1000 of a second! I could adjust focus for half an hour if I want and then get a frame which was exposed for a 1/1000 second.
I guess this is what you're trying to say regarding the out of focus issue.
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If you click before it gets focus it will take the shot. it will never refuse. If focus was not correct did they check and retake. Otheriwse photo will not look good and its mistake of the tester not camera.
I know! That's why I don't get why the 5 shots in the test came out the way they did. How could he/she have messed them up so badly compared to A and E?
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why does it matter. there are plenty of comparisons out there. Without exifs there are no answers so i do not think more about it.
What do you mean?
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Since you posted the results, the top two by preference are z5 & moto x style. These are default multi segment shooters. in landscapes colour exposure will look better.
The rest are all centre weighted.
Which phone is this?
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moto x style is a default multi shooter. does good with landscapes. z5, samsung you can change the metering. g4 is default centre weighted like nexus 6p and htc one m9 and cannot be changed so you have to take little more care that light is not too bright in the scene. change the framing.
check this comparison out. its done by a reviewer that knows cameras
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/21116_Camera_head_to_head_Lumia_950_.php
The point i'm trying to make is if the shot does not come out right you can fix it. if you know what to do. This is more important than who is the winner in any shoot out.
One cannot expect perfect shots with any camera all the time. So does the camera provide the tools to do this. Only the G4 does in your list. 6p & MXS have no manual control. Z5 has little more. The S6 is second best here.
Check out also V10, same camera as G4 but control of video. But its bigger device. Too big for me this year.
Auto shootouts are random & static there is no second chance which is not always true in real life.

This shootout was a nice try. But seriously why Camera A is always at 16MP when all the other get the crop misleading camouflage? I care about FoV in a camera and I disvalued some of them because of the intentional crop.
Interestingly, I picked E,D and A as my favourites . But I put A as third because of its sharpness mask wich I hate. Now I see A is GS6: I used to appreciate Samsung "softness" software decision this year but now I see this Contrast and sharpness mask, WTF happened to Samsung?
I used to dislike G4 usual sharpness mask instead here I see A LOT of softness. Don't know what happened with updates xD

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I used to dislike G4 usual sharpness mask instead here I see A LOT of softness. Don't know what happened with updates xD
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There was a comparison posted between G3 & G4 from android authority and it looked like G3 had the better shots in auto.
I concluded that the G4 lens was not cleam

IMHO a test has to be done by somebody who: knows how to make a good picture, knows how to set up a camera, understand the concept of exposure-shake-focus-unsharp mask-noise reduction (I am sure I miss something). None of these requirements are fulfilled by the author of this test.
In my 25 years as pro photographer I have seen so many photo editors, graphics, "experts" misunderstanding the differences between Focus accurancy, shake, contrast and sharpness mask.

RN2 Camera - which other "mainstream" phone is the quality comparable to?

Hi guys,
I'm thinking of buying this phone so I'm trying to make informed decision. Main ingredients are there, great performance, SD card and switchable battery, but as a fresh father of a cute little girl I'll need something to record memorabilia of those urgent never forget moments when I don't happen to have my "real" camera with me. So, in the range of which other Samsung, LG or whatever phone would you say the one in RN2 is? I'm used to incredible quality of Xiaomi earphones and it's hard to believe they would make typical compromises other Chinese brands make with their cheap models, which is usually cheapen**** camera. Please tell me it's not the case here
Thanks!

Look here,i have a One Plus One too
check post 10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/general/post-photos-redmi-note-2-t3190747

The RN2 camera is ok, but certainly not spectacular in my opinion. My wife has an LG G4, and the camera on that is much, much better. Before a zillion people chime in, and say the LG G4 costs 3x-4x as much, yes, I completely realize that, too, but its camera is so much better.
That said, in the long run, it also comes down to your level of photographic skill, really. Sure, you can leave everything on automatic all the time, but quite frankly, knowing how to frame your composition, when you should/shouldn't use a flash, etc. makes a HUGE difference. For example, how many photos do you see taken into the sun so faces are too dark??? It happens all the time. A fill flash in this situation, even on a bright sunny day, could actually be helpful, but certainly not shooting into the sun would be far preferable!!! But most folks simply don't think about this, and just snap away. Granted there are also times when you simply can't rearrange things for ideal conditions like the sun angle, but if you at least keep these in mind you can probably do a much better job on average.
A final note is about pixel-peeping. If you are satisfied with seeing a whole image filling up your computer screen, many phone cameras will be perfectly fine. After all, say you have a normal 1080p monitor with 1920x1080 pixel resolution--that means your monitor can only show 2 Mpix images anyway (i.e. 1920x1080=2,073,600). But if you want to zoom in and see details, well, almost any phone camera will disappoint especially when compared to a dedicated camera like a DSLR. Of course, there are reasons to have more "megapixels"--you can crop out progressively smaller parts of the image, and still have them sharp when expanded.
In the long run, I guess I am trying to say that the camera is just a tool, and you as the photographer will have an incredible amount of control about what you produce. You could have a super-duper fancy setup, or the best camera phone ever, and still only get mediocre (or even poor) images out of it. And your intention for the pictures is also paramount--for casual kid shots and movies, where overall content is more important than pixel-peeping detail, well, that would make a huge difference.
So in the long run, I would conclude that the RN2 camera is ok, not spectacular, and that you could definitely get much better cameras, but you can probably get pretty good results out of the RN2 depending on your skill with photography, and your intention for the images. Probably the best way to figure this out would be to give one a test drive, but there might not be to many RN2's locally for you so this might not be a possibility. That said, GearBest has it (the 32GB Prime model) for just $145 right now (http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_229218.html) so it is pretty affordable.
Personally, the main frustration with the RN2 is the lack of source code, and therefore, no real custom ROMs, and lack of ultra-basic functionality like double-tap to wake among other things. But certainly others will have different opinions! Hope this helps, and congrats on your new daughter!

IMO redmi note 2 is close to galaxy s5 photos, except for the fact that rn2 reproduces colors better in low light conditions (but it still struggles in low light). in dim environments it comes nowhere close to my xiaomi mi4c
if you think about taking photos of a kid indoors- don't bother thinking of rn2 or even anything less than galaxy s6 - you'll need very bright lens and OIS will be helpful, too. Otherwise you'll end up frustrated you've missed great moments due to bad, underexposed or blurry pictures

Huge thanks to all of you for giving me a taste for camera. You verbage really walked an extra mile there, info like that should be included with every camera sold, it's stupidly irritating to watch how uneducated people are regarding this matter, nowadays when everybody is photographing everywhere and barely anybody knows how to do it. While we're on track, how about all those poor souls flashing their flashes on stadiums under all those reflector lights, shooting players hundred meters down? Pretty good ilustration of situation.
Luckily, I'm not a noob and have pretty good knowledge of basic camera parameters, and if manual settings on RN2 are not just a gimmick like on so many other phones, and it seems they aren't, I think I'll do just fine. It has flash for the low light situations. I hate using it, but it will do for basic taste, big context and record of situation like you said. Yes indeed, children are especiall hard to photograph good since they're never still, sometimes I want to default to sports mode for shooting them
Thanks for that S5 comparison, if it's anywhere in that class, it's even far more than I expected. I don't expect perfection and I'm ready for workarounds, I simply hoped it's above attrocities chinese phones are notorious for in camera department It's Xiaomi after all.

Huge thanks to all of you for giving me a taste for camera. You verbage really walked an extra mile there, info like that should be included with every camera sold, it's stupidly irritating to watch how uneducated people are regarding this matter, nowadays when everybody is photographing everywhere and barely anybody knows how to do it. While we're on track, how about all those poor souls flashing their flashes on stadiums under all those reflector lights, shooting players hundred meters down? Pretty good ilustration of situation.
Luckily, I'm not a noob and have pretty good knowledge of basic camera parameters, and if manual settings on RN2 are not just a gimmick like on so many other phones, and it seems they aren't, I think I'll do just fine. It has flash for the low light situations. I hate using it, but it will do for basic taste, big context and record of situation like you said. Yes indeed, children are especiall hard to photograph good since they're never still, sometimes I want to default to sports mode for shooting them
Thanks for that S5 comparison, if it's anywhere in that class, it's even far more than I expected. I don't expect perfection and I'm ready for workarounds, I simply hoped it's above attrocities chinese phones are notorious for in camera department It's Xiaomi after all.
Gear Best price is fantastic, but it seems they send from China warehouse, and I need it sent from EU so I don't pay customs. How do you order to US, do you pay customs or what?

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Gear Best price is fantastic, but it seems they send from China warehouse, and I need it sent from EU so I don't pay customs. How do you order to US, do you pay customs or what?
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Yes, I am in the U.S., and we don't normally end up paying customs when purchasing stuff from China at least when it involves occasional personal purchases (mass quantities would certainly be a different story). So shipping from China does not matter too much to me. I sometimes read from European folks that ordering via DHL or a similar special courier may help avoid customs fees, but unfortunately, not always.
Regarding GearBest, they can be great, but they can also sometimes be terrible. For some orders, they work like a well-lubed machine, but for others, they can really try your patience. But in the long run, it is really hard to beat their prices. You might find lower prices on AliExpress, but once you factor in shipping, they usually end up the same or more expensive than GearBest. So it's a choice between the devil you know, and they devil you don't.
Thanks for the image of millions of camera flashes in a huge stadium--so true!

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Yes, I am in the U.S., and we don't normally end up paying customs when purchasing stuff from China at least when it involves occasional personal purchases (mass quantities would certainly be a different story). So shipping from China does not matter too much to me. I sometimes read from European folks that ordering via DHL or a similar special courier may help avoid customs fees, but unfortunately, not always.
Regarding GearBest, they can be great, but they can also sometimes be terrible. For some orders, they work like a well-lubed machine, but for others, they can really try your patience. But in the long run, it is really hard to beat their prices. You might find lower prices on AliExpress, but once you factor in shipping, they usually end up the same or more expensive than GearBest. So it's a choice between the devil you know, and they devil you don't.
Thanks for the image of millions of camera flashes in a huge stadium--so true!
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^I heard that about DHL, not sure how or if it works Probably hit and miss. Do GearBest put international rom on the device and Gapps (hopefully without Chinese bloat), or will I have to do it myself? I also plan to try 128 GB card in it. I know it doesn't work if formatted in the device (exFAt), but I'll format it on PC in FAT32 which should be ok.

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^I heard that about DHL, not sure how or if it works Probably hit and miss. Do GearBest put international rom on the device and Gapps (hopefully without Chinese bloat), or will I have to do it myself? I also plan to try 128 GB card in it. I know it doesn't work if formatted in the device (exFAt), but I'll format it on PC in FAT32 which should be ok.
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You have to mount your card in ext4 Format. I use redmi Note 2 Tool from the playstore. For me, it works perfekt.
And it's true. Gearbest send it from a chinese Warehouse. But if you don't choose an expressway( just only the normal and cheapest Version), they will send it over great Britain and you don't have to pay fees.
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Do GearBest put international rom on the device and Gapps (hopefully without Chinese bloat), or will I have to do it myself?
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I got mine from GearBest, and I don't remember which ROM it came with, but the first thing I did was root and upload a custom recovery, and then install an updated, clean sMIUI ROM. It would be nice if there was a clean, pure Android ROM available for this device with 100% working hardware, but with no source code available, that has not been possible. For 100% working hardware, you'll need to go with the native MIUI or a simple variant that maintains all the drivers (like sMIUI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/general/rom-smiui-rom-kitchen-major-xiaomi-t3225567, or the RYO Skinny version, http://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-2/general/roll-skinny-miui-t3309873).

This phone is cheap but also good. It has Gyroscopic sensor, and perform well when paired with VR Headset.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2 using XDA-Developers mobile app

Here is some samples:
Esato
I think this phone's camera has nearly same quality with the Galaxy S4

adamuadamu said:
IMO redmi note 2 is close to galaxy s5 photos, except for the fact that rn2 reproduces colors better in low light conditions (but it still struggles in low light). in dim environments it comes nowhere close to my xiaomi mi4c
if you think about taking photos of a kid indoors- don't bother thinking of rn2 or even anything less than galaxy s6 - you'll need very bright lens and OIS will be helpful, too. Otherwise you'll end up frustrated you've missed great moments due to bad, underexposed or blurry pictures
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TaoistB said:
Here is some samples:
Esato
I think this phone's camera has nearly same quality with the Galaxy S4
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Wow, these are some very convincing examples That spider almost made me crap my pants because the picture opened in full zoom right away LOL. It might be 3 mm, but looked like a pancake size tarantula Anyway, really really good interpretation of colors, seems to me, sharpness also very satisfying. I also noticed some very satisfying bluring effects of areas not directly under focus. Very impressed.

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Wow, these are some very convincing examples That spider almost made me crap my pants because the picture opened in full zoom right away LOL. It might be 3 mm, but looked like a pancake size tarantula Anyway, really really good interpretation of colors, seems to me, sharpness also very satisfying. I also noticed some very satisfying bluring effects of areas not directly under focus. Very impressed.
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I take that Spider picture with a homemade macro lens ( Google cardboard's magnifying glass)
The RN2's camera is very good for the price, in good light conditions, but at night the noise ratio is extremly high, and the focus misses a lot. The HDR mode is impressive.
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A little test:
Nikon A 100 ( Compact camera) VS Canon Eos70D (DSLR) VS Redmi Note2
Same metering mode, same angle, same WB, and all taken at 10MP
ISO Auto
ISO 100
ISO 1600

TaoistB said:
A little test:
Nikon A 100 ( Compact camera) VS Canon Eos70D (DSLR) VS Redmi Note2
Same metering mode, same angle, same WB, and all taken at 10MP
ISO Auto
ISO 100
ISO 1600
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Wait a minute, are you saying that in the three linked images above, the RN2 image is the right image panel in all of the three??? So for the the ISO 1600 image panel, the left panel is the A 100, the middle panel is the EOS70D, and the right image is the RN2??? If so, I am stunned, and flabbergasted! If one does pixel-peeping, and zooms in to 100%, sure, you can see a difference--the RN2 images are a bit oversharpened, and fine detail like the vegetation gets smudged. But if you just view them at a normal magnification to see the whole image on screen, they look fantastic! Granted the lighting is good, but nonetheless, I find this very impressive. I have not done an RN2 vs DSLR test, but I will sure try it next time I have the camera out. Thanks so much for these comparison images!

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Wait a minute, are you saying that in the three linked images above, the RN2 image is the right image panel in all of the three??? So for the the ISO 1600 image panel, the left panel is the A 100, the middle panel is the EOS70D, and the right image is the RN2??? If so, I am stunned, and flabbergasted! If one does pixel-peeping, and zooms in to 100%, sure, you can see a difference--the RN2 images are a bit oversharpened, and fine detail like the vegetation gets smudged. But if you just view them at a normal magnification to see the whole image on screen, they look fantastic! Granted the lighting is good, but nonetheless, I find this very impressive. I have not done an RN2 vs DSLR test, but I will sure try it next time I have the camera out. Thanks so much for these comparison images!
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Yes, the order is (from left to right) Nikon A100, Eos 70D (18-55 IS) , RN2, on all images.

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Yes, the order is (from left to right) Nikon A100, Eos 70D (18-55 IS) , RN2, on all images.
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Wow again, pretty impressive!

TaoistB said:
Yes, the order is (from left to right) Nikon A100, Eos 70D (18-55 IS) , RN2, on all images.
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I still almost want to challenge your definition of left and right since at ISO 1600 picture from RN2 looks far better zoomed in than Nikon's Even without zoom, colors look less washed out.
I think you're right man to ask since you seem to have transfered crapload of material between phone and PC, does that feature work normally like in plug and play, can you freely transfer content to and fro any computer, like connecting outsitde disk, or do you need special softvare like MIUI suite or however it's called? I heard that transfer to sd card can be unexpectedly interrupted in the middle of the process if you don't use that software. True?

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does that feature work normally like in plug and play, can you freely transfer content to and fro any computer, like connecting outsitde disk, or do you need special softvare like MIUI suite or however it's called? I heard that transfer to sd card can be unexpectedly interrupted in the middle of the process if you don't use that software. True?
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I just plug mine in to my computer via USB, it is recognized as an MTP device, and both internal and external storage are loaded as volumes under the device. Does this work directly--straight from the factory--or do you need to load drivers onto your computer? Unfortunately, I don't remember because it has been a while since I set mine up originally. I did load the MIUI Suite originally, never used it, and then uninstalled it. So that may have loaded drivers. Whatever the case, at this point, MIUI Suite is no longer installed, but the RN2 still appears as an MTP device on plugging it in via USB.

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I just plug mine in to my computer via USB, it is recognized as an MTP device, and both internal and external storage are loaded as volumes under the device. Does this work directly--straight from the factory--or do you need to load drivers onto your computer? Unfortunately, I don't remember because it has been a while since I set mine up originally. I did load the MIUI Suite originally, never used it, and then uninstalled it. So that may have loaded drivers. Whatever the case, at this point, MIUI Suite is no longer installed, but the RN2 still appears as an MTP device on plugging it in via USB.
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The drivers & ADB do the connection, windoze does the rest.
Transfering files not even need any special application.
*] front LED holographic keyboard >> another dream in android

Camera on this phone is absolute garbage

S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?

harisyks said:
S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?
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Can't agree more! This phone camera is useless!!! Literally! Even with the 64 MPx the photos are not up to the level they have to be. I had Huawei Mate 10 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 - both phones are hundreds of times better than this one. Can't believe that i spend money to buy it. Even that I watched a lot of reviews before buying it. Starting to thing that pretty much all the reviews are paid by Samsung. My last Samsung was S7 and back then I promised myself not to go back with the brand again. I deeply regret that now and reconfirm that I was right not to choose Samsung again.

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I have the snapdragon and my camera is really nice. Reason why I got the s20+. Coming from an op7pro
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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.

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I have the snapdragon and my camera is really nice. Reason why I got the s20+. Coming from an op7pro
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After sometimes testing the s20+
- Overexposed: most time i have HDR activated, why i haven't problems with that
- Saturated images: the default display of the screen is already set to "vivid", on my pc they seem better.
- Oversharpened, right..
I would have preferred to have more manual control without having to go through the raw pro mode:
- Rendered slightly grainy rather than too smooth, oil-painted
- Manual control of jpeg compression, better quality image files
‐ Sharpness adjusted according to the subject photographed: more sharpness for a landscape, less for a portrait
- Have the ability to use the raw format for the ultra wide angle lens
Sorry for my english

I have the Snapdragon. Only problem I have really noticed is I have a hard time getting the phone to focus on things up close. Like I tried to take a picture of the front and back of an insurance card thx other day while it was laying on the counter, and the camera just couldn't figure it out. I had to close the camera a couple times and come back in before it focused.

At the lowest sensitivity, at 40 iso, the rendering is without texture, it's too smooth!

kirilorius said:
Can't agree more! This phone camera is useless!!! Literally! Even with the 64 MPx the photos are not up to the level they have to be. I had Huawei Mate 10 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 - both phones are hundreds of times better than this one. Can't believe that i spend money to buy it. Even that I watched a lot of reviews before buying it. Starting to thing that pretty much all the reviews are paid by Samsung. My last Samsung was S7 and back then I promised myself not to go back with the brand again. I deeply regret that now and reconfirm that I was right not to choose Samsung again.
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Simply not true. I have tested the Mi Note 10 vs the [email protected] 64MP and it got destroyed, even with GCAM.
Did you turned off bixby optimizer?
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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.
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No its not, its actually better.

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Yes, I compared the snapdragon and exynos versions and in almost all cases you can clearly see the difference.
The exynos version is really inferior.
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Its the opposite, anandtech review says exynos variant has an upper hand compared to snapdragons this year.

anandtech must have been drinking then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxRH8aYnUU

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anandtech must have been drinking then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHxRH8aYnUU
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So you pick youtube video with old firmware, of semi pro reviewer, vs the best on the planet? yeah, no.

Oh, wow. Why are all these folks having these issues? I haven't noticed anything wrong yet.

roaduardo said:
Oh, wow. Why are all these folks having these issues? I haven't noticed anything wrong yet.
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These are not "issues", they only compare it with the snapdragon and seeing from the reviews, it's a lot (15%-20%)better.
I would not go that far to call the exynos camera ****, but the snapdragon-version does look better.
There's even a petition. https://www.change.org/p/samsung-stop-selling-us-inferior-exynos-phones

harisyks said:
S20+ 4G Exynos variant.
All I see are oversharpened, overexposed, oversaturated, messy photos.
I am coming from a Pixel 2, granted, but my God this phone is 3 generations newer. I am basically forced to use the 64 MP mode in order to get a decent photo. Night mode is pretty much useless as well.
How do you find the photos and which phone are you coming from?
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Post some comparisons of your pixel2 and s20 so we can compare these "garbage" photos.

Snapdragon S20+ here. The camera is not "absolute garbage". It's not Pixel quality, but it's better than 90% of everything else.

I always find these threads hillarious
If you don't like it get something else it's no harm done is it..
I've really got a point with smartphones where what someone likes isn't what someone else does.

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Simply not true. I have tested the Mi Note 10 vs the [email protected] 64MP and it got destroyed, even with GCAM.
Did you turned off bixby optimizer?
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And because you say so, how this should change my opinion? You are trying to convince me that your opinion is more valuable and correct than mine... Wrong approach buddy. Here we are expressing our POV.

kirilorius said:
And because you say so, how this should change my opinion? You are trying to convince me that your opinion is more valuable and correct than mine... Wrong approach buddy. Here we are expressing our POV.
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You got PM.

Being in lockdown really does not show the S20+ in it's best light. I have been taken fewer pictures most have have been in medium to low light and of my kids or cats and have been really disappointing. Even the slightest bit of movement results in a soft or blurry image. I switched back to my 4 XL last Friday (So glad I never sold it!) and the difference is night and day.
Such a shame as I really really like the S20+ as a device, I just cannot trust the camera right now.

My S20 camera is great and provide awesome photos, you must have missed something somewhere (in good lightning, in low light.. it's... yeah, no.)

hell i don't even know how to use the 64mp camera lol

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