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Low Light performance of Note 3 Camera

So I LOVE THIS PHONE, it has been everything I ever wanted in a phone except one key part; The low ligth performance.
I have taken a bunch of pics in darker settings (at work, in clubs, restaurants) and all my pics look blurry/oily (oil painting effect) and the only time I get sharp pics is on close up pics (really close up) with flash.
Is this the norm for this phone? Is samsung releasing an app update?
Do you guys have any apps that solve this issue and can you post them here/the setting you use with them. I have attached some pics below to show examples

I have the same problem.

have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?

For me it turned out the smart stabilization mode was the culprit, disabling it fixed it.

yamensati said:
have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
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Yep and it only makes things more bright with no real advantage...it still looks blurred/oily and details are hard to make out; but hey I have a little bit more contrast/better colors

Updates wont' fix it - it's the hardware.

Take a look at the tiny little lens on the back of your Note 3. Then compare that with a point & shoot camera. Then realize N3's camera takes in a fraction of the light and has a miniscule sensor. Do you really expect similar performance?

You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.

pete4k said:
You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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what setting do you use in low light?

As I already said there is no one setting for all, but just to give an example, don't use smart stabilization for close distance , because then flash won't fire and here flash will give best results. On the other hand if you were shooting sunset, don't use flash because exposure will be too dark, unless you have people right in front as main subject etc. Smart stabilization won't work for moving objects, since it stocks multiple exposures on top of each other, but it may work pretty well for some static pictures. You could also try to manually set ISO and again it all depends, higher ISO will give you shorter exposure but much more noise, so for static picture you could try lower ISO and brace the phone against some hard surface to avoid shake, or even make a tripod. But nothing beats the light, so always try to position yourself with light behind you, so let's say inside the house have window behind you, not in front of you.

Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.

NightOrchid said:
Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light

edo101 said:
I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2.
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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Yep I know, but reviewers all do that, its amazing what a new free phone will do to grease a reviewers wheels. I tend to watch independent YouTube reviewers, theres a few honest ones around if you look for them. There seems to be an obession that bigger is better, and in the terms of Camera MPx.. No its not.. trust me,. Look at the HTC One 4 Ultra Pixel.. Its fantastic, the Note 2 is a great phone and its cheap now. Go for it
Good luck

note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience

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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?

edo101 said:
So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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NeoDJW said:
note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Agreed , Its a great camera.

NightOrchid said:
Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?

edo101 said:
Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps

edo101 said:
I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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AFAIK, the pen functionality in the Note 3 is better.
The camera on the note 2 sounds like a winner...
I guess you need to choose. Since it is only dark in so many situations, I would err on the better specs and forward thinking of the note 3 in terms of android trim, better specs, and future updates.
A $80 point and shoot will do even better than a note 2.

NightOrchid said:
How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
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If you can get a wider picture from the Note 2. Note 3 seemed to have a narrow wide angle. (so lets say Note 2 was 16:9, Note 3 would be 16:11) thats what I mean. you can capture more area with the Note 2 camera

Oneplus 5 w/ Google Camera vs. Stock Galaxy S8+ camera- which is better?

So I currently have a Galaxy S8+, and have been eyeing the OP5, specifically the 8gb variant. Mainly because the battery life on my Galaxy has gotten to be pretty bad, and it's starting to lag/stutter more and more frequently. I know the stock OP5 camera needs some major work, but i was wondering how good the OP5 camera with the Google Camera port is compared to the camera on the GS8+?

Slash8915 said:
So I currently have a Galaxy S8+, and have been eyeing the OP5, specifically the 8gb variant. Mainly because the battery life on my Galaxy has gotten to be pretty bad, and it's starting to lag/stutter more and more frequently. I know the stock OP5 camera needs some major work, but i was wondering how good the OP5 camera with the Google Camera port is compared to the camera on the GS8+?
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First, what do you mean by "the stock OP5 camera needs some major work"?

Yousvel said:
First, what do you mean by "the stock OP5 camera needs some major work"?
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Well apparently, the camera is complete crap in low light after the 4.5.10 update.

From most of the reviews it was crap in low light since launch....
Don;t use camera that much so no idea... Wasn't what attracted me to it, 8gb ram was....

ultramag69 said:
From most of the reviews it was crap in low light since launch....
Don;t use camera that much so no idea... Wasn't what attracted me to it, 8gb ram was....
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Fair enough. The camera is pretty important to me, but having a phone that doesn't lag is also pretty important.

Slash8915 said:
Fair enough. The camera is pretty important to me, but having a phone that doesn't lag is also pretty important.
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Post processing is a joke, in manual mode the OP5 can take excellent shots. Things could get better as soon as Oneplus hires someone with knowledge about photography. For example, in lowlight it will switch to ISO 9600, in manual mode I get a great shot with ISO 800, you can imagine what a picture looks like with ISO 9600...

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Well apparently, the camera is complete crap in low light after the 4.5.10 update.
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As you say, apparently...For me, I actually have the 8 g ram version and I am running the latest OOS, the quality of the picture is quite good for me whether in low light or good light. That's the best phone I ever have. I am satisfied with the phone in every aspect. I see no downside for me. I may be blind

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Fair enough. The camera is pretty important to me, but having a phone that doesn't lag is also pretty important.
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does your v20 lag already? this phone is pretty solid.
Op5 camera is very good, specially for the price. See youtube reviews, they compare the camera with iphone 7+, g6, s8, etc. Imho, this is more than acceptable for a small sensor camera.
on gsmarena, you can see many test.
people on xda *****ing the camera because they must be kind of pissed about the ''clearer photo'' op marketing, and at the end, the camera is not the top one on the market.

I personally think the camera can hold its own against the other phones. Especially in manual mode. I do a lot of sunset pictures and they comes out good. However, I think if TouchWiz was more bearable, and if it was easily rootable (I use a lot of apps that requires root) I'd have gotten a s8 instead.

I prevously had the S8+, I now have 8gb oneplus 5, camera quality is about the without any noticeable difference, plus you get the portrait mode. Battery life is better, ram management is better, speed is better, only thing i miss the the bezzeless display.

101points vs 107 s10+ on dxo.... what do you say

Here I Give you same picture with same light...
1st picture pixel 3xl one camera +101 points
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2nd s10+ 3 cameras +107 points

Same picture? Ok, I see two very different pictures.

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Same picture? Ok, I see two very different pictures.
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so you are telling me that you cant see the mess of s10+ hmmm?

HD+ makes miracles.
Use the gcam port on the S10 and try again.

tufftatino said:
HD+ makes miracles.
Use the gcam port on the S10 and try again.
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i will note use hd+ on a phone witch costs 1000 euros

Noexcusses said:
i will note use hd+ on a phone witch costs 1000 euros
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also i cant see 107 points??

Nice try..

They're two completely different pictures, different lighting, different focus points.
Are you trying to prove anything? That's not how photo comparisons are made, you just sound like you're butthurt over what DXOmark's ratings say.

Corv0 said:
They're two completely different pictures, different lighting, different focus points.
Are you trying to prove anything? That's not how photo comparisons are made, you just sound like you're butthurt over what DXOmark's ratings say.
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Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely

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Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely
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Nevertheless you should really try to take both pictures from the same angle, same position etc. There are just to many variations. Pixel 3 will probably be better, yes, but still would be interesting to see the same photo on both cams.
I have given up on dxmark a long time ago. Seems they just keep upping the score with every major smart phone release. I would much rather see pictures taken by regular users as you, but they should be identical to really be able to compare them.

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Yeah im trying to prove that s10+ doesnt deserve 107 points with some much software problems like focus etc etc.
Light on the pictures are the same. Focus isnt different s10+ has wide cameras and normal camera on pixel 3 xl isnt so wide as s10+ thats why you think is different, the only diffrent is that i change la little the spot for better focusing but the divice failed completely
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My focus is perfectly fine.
Why don't you at least make the effort to take two pictures from the exact same angle?

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Nevertheless you should really try to take both pictures from the same angle, same position etc. There are just to many variations. Pixel 3 will probably be better, yes, but still would be interesting to see the same photo on both cams.
I have given up on dxmark a long time ago. Seems they just keep upping the score with every major smart phone release. I would much rather see pictures taken by regular users as you, but they should be identical to really be able to compare them.
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Definitely phone serious problems at in doors pictures... and at night... Night mode isn't stabilized yet.. im just w8ing for the March security update for some fixes..

Yeah we already know about manual night mode coming and much more, this phone came out 10 days ago, chill.

I like the camera on the S10+, and i like that you have options. For me personally, night sight is not important at all, as it just does not reflect reality. I want a picture to represent a moment in time. I want to capture something as i saw it at just that moment. If it is too dark, the resulting picture should reflect this. But that's just my opinion, but i understand why this is important for a lot of people.
Edit : just to clarify, less noise is of course always better. I was talking about the voodoo that Pixel does when using night mode.

camera quality indoor

Do any of you guys find the camera quality so bad indoors only and have alot of noise or do I have something wrong ??
My photos and vids are super outdoors with all lenses but inside my home at morning or night the pics have alot of noise even the viewfinder is very noisy and the videos are very bad .

I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.

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I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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So I think it must be something related to the software not the camera module
Even older Samsung mobiles with 1 cam only did not behave like that in indoor conditions

Don't get me wrong, the pics aren't horrible. Just not great or befitting of a 2019 flagship, or as good as the pixel. Which I think a lot of reviewers have said. Honestly, it seems like software, but I'm no expert.

Got to agree, feels the same as my s7 edge. lol

gsxrfl1k6 said:
I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.

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Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.
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Frankly for me I will wait if there is software improvement happens and if not am still staying with the phone
It is the best phone I ever used coming from
Samsung s1 s2 s3 note 3 note 5 s7 edge iPhone 6 plus mate 9 mate 10pro them iPhone x
The s10 is by far the best in screen and battery and smoothness and UI :good:

Corv0 said:
Because selling a second hand phone after one month of usage is easier and returns more value than just waiting for an update for a piece of hardware that is obviously not behaving like it should, right?
It's not the first phone that has disappointing picture and video results indoor after release, they all improved, just have some patience instead of making impulsive choices.
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Sorry if I hurt your Samsung feelings. But I appreciate your advice on my impulsive nature here on the internet.
I've never really been overly impressed with Samsung's willingness or haste with which they make software improvements. The hardware is beautiful and I love almost everything about the phone. The camera is just a bit of a let down for me.

gsxrfl1k6 said:
Sorry if I hurt your Samsung feelings. But I appreciate your advice on my impulsive nature here on the internet.
I've never really been overly impressed with Samsung's willingness or haste with which they make software improvements. The hardware is beautiful and I love almost everything about the phone. The camera is just a bit of a let down for me.
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Didn't hurt anything.
I just find these "I bought the phone yesterday but my 1998 canon takes better pics of my bedroom carpet so I'm gonna sell it tomorrow" incredibly stupid and consumerist, you won't die by waiting for an update.

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Didn't hurt anything.
I just find these "I bought the phone yesterday but my 1998 canon takes better pics of my bedroom carpet so I'm gonna sell it tomorrow" incredibly stupid and consumerist, you won't die by waiting for an update.
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I really appreciate your now apparent concern for my life. Thanks for that.
If you read the OP's post, and mine, we're commenting how the phone doesn't take great pics in indoor relatively low light situations. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to be a pretty popular place for every day photos of life, family, etc. and I was comparing to my recent personal experience with my pixel. Not quite the obscure analogy you're attempting to make. I see this topic is really personal and emotional for you as evidence by your posts and your veiled, or not so veiled, insults. That's cool, your passion is appreciated, but your comments could easily rub someone the wrong way. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you, but you may want to ease up on drawing conclusions on what people should do based on your own personal inclinations. Just my meager .02

gsxrfl1k6 said:
I really appreciate your now apparent concern for my life. Thanks for that.
If you read the OP's post, and mine, we're commenting how the phone doesn't take great pics in indoor relatively low light situations. Maybe it's just me, but that seems to be a pretty popular place for every day photos of life, family, etc. and I was comparing to my recent personal experience with my pixel. Not quite the obscure analogy you're attempting to make. I see this topic is really personal and emotional for you as evidence by your posts and your veiled, or not so veiled, insults. That's cool, your passion is appreciated, but your comments could easily rub someone the wrong way. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you, but you may want to ease up on drawing conclusions on what people should do based on your own personal inclinations. Just my meager .02
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Don't know what posts you've been checking around, but I never denied the camera being disappointing indoors, it actually sucks.
You don't know what "passion" or "insult" is if you easily go so defensive over this simple matter, I think you should indeed focus on your life, I personally couldn't care less about directly offending anyone here as I just said that it's easier to wait for an incoming update (already confirmed by Samsung) and then reconsider.
If it's still disappointing after the update you're free to sell it or snap in half and swallow it with regret, nobody's going to worry.

gsxrfl1k6 said:
I feel exactly the same way. I take a lot of pics inside the house in the evening with my kids, dogs, etc. and I'm really struggling with the lack of quality in that scenario. I have a pixel 3xl that I was originally planning on replacing with the s10 plus, but the pics from the pixel are so much better. The s10 photos are soft and muddy looking. I'm seriously considering just selling the s10.
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GCam apk is the only way to really get better photos indoors that I've came across for Samsungs.. Pixels have ruined me for indoor photography of moving objects. Outdoors this camera is amazing though.

Gilley said:
GCam apk is the only way to really get better photos indoors that I've came across for Samsungs.. Pixels have ruined me for indoor photography of moving objects. Outdoors this camera is amazing though.
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Absolutely agree. I installed gcam and the indoor shots were noticeably better, IMHO. I think I installed an old apk though cause mine was having all kinds of issues. Didn't spend too much time messing with it.

Yes, same experience here. Here are comparison pics between Snapdragon S9+ and Exynos S10+.
https://imgur.com/a/2fNvxTn

Same here, only for selfi I feel it so bad in general at low light
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gsxrfl1k6 said:
Absolutely agree. I installed gcam and the indoor shots were noticeably better, IMHO. I think I installed an old apk though cause mine was having all kinds of issues. Didn't spend too much time messing with it.
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Is there a gcam version for exynos?

Don't think so, as there's a bounty thread for just that. I have the snapdragon so didn't look into too much.

Indoor quality fixed with Gcam 6.1 port made for exynos from a developer on this great forums :laugh:

Camera feels quite poor in general compared to the Huawei mate 20 x I had ?

russellcausier said:
Camera feels quite poor in general compared to the Huawei mate 20 x I had ?
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Try the gcam 6.1 made/ported for the s10+ it solves most of the Samsung camera software problems
And it shows that the hardware/lens is really good

S10+ Exynos vs Snapdragon *camera performance only*

OK so this article clearly states that the snapdragon is better unfortunately I can only get the exynos version.
Should I pass the S10 all together?! the camera is essentially the most important feature of the phone for me.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14

If the camera is the most important feature, buy a camera not a cellphone.

edvedder said:
OK so this article clearly states that the snapdragon is better unfortunately I can only get the exynos version.
Should I pass the S10 all together?! the camera is essentially the most important feature of the phone for me.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14072/the-samsung-galaxy-s10plus-review/14
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I tested both versions. Exynos version captures more details than Snapdragon in good light but colors look washed off and indoor pictures are not very sharp and appear blurry for non RAW modes.
Snapdragon version has better sharpness and indoor pictures look better(not very blurry like Exynos). Snapdragon version pictures look less bright than Exynos and thus miss details which are replaced by dark colors/shadows. Outdoor pictures have darker shadows and less texture details. All under non-RAW mode.
If you have Note 9 or S9, you may be disappointed in the camera quality(at least I am).

VICosPhi said:
I tested both versions. Exynos version captures more details than Snapdragon in good light but colors look washed off and indoor pictures are not very sharp and appear blurry for non RAW modes.
Snapdragon version has better sharpness and indoor pictures look better(not very blurry like Exynos). Snapdragon version pictures look less bright than Exynos and thus miss details which are replaced by dark colors/shadows. Outdoor pictures have darker shadows and less texture details. All under non-RAW mode.
If you have Note 9 or S9, you may be disappointed in the camera quality(at least I am).
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Man you need to understand that you can't just say that without showing pictures, we need samples and proofs to hammer Samsung in the face if that's the case, anandtech's pictures are unfit due to the author's poor photography skills or even common sense of using a tripod.
I'm very happy with my HDR and low light performance(from what I upgraded) and every single camera reviewer out there used the Exynos version when comparing results, results that make the P30 pro look like a crappy old black and white camera as long as it's not about low light or 10x magnification:
If Snapdragon S10s really postprocess better then it needs to be carefully proven and in the same exact conditions, allowing a cloud to move by 1cm already destroys everything.
If anyone has both models then you should compare them and make a thread here with a ton of evidence that can be used to trigger improvements on whatever chipset seems to underperform, nothing will happen unless that becomes real and all of this will limit itself to a stupid feud between fanboys of different chipsets.

On the one hand I agree we need more proof and definitely we need to tell Samsung it's wrong to sell one version of their flagship which is truly inferior if it turns out to be true.
on the the other hand it does worry me that most reports are that the Snapdragon's camera performance is superior so it's half confirmed if it makes sense.
Do you think future firmware updates can improve the the Exynos version?
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Man you need to understand that you can't just say that without showing pictures, we need samples and proofs to hammer Samsung in the face if that's the case, anandtech's pictures are unfit due to the author's poor photography skills or even common sense of using a tripod.
I'm very happy with my HDR and low light performance(from what I upgraded) and every single camera reviewer out there used the Exynos version when comparing results, results that make the P30 pro look like a crappy old black and white camera as long as it's not about low light or 10x magnification:
If Snapdragon S10s really postprocess better then it needs to be carefully proven and in the same exact conditions, allowing a cloud to move by 1cm already destroys everything.
If anyone has both models then you should compare them and make a thread here with a ton of evidence that can be used to trigger improvements on whatever chipset seems to underperform, nothing will happen unless that becomes real and all of this will limit itself to a stupid feud between fanboys of different chipsets.
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If Snapdragon S10s really postprocess better then it needs to be carefully proven and in the same exact conditions, allowing a cloud to move by 1cm already destroys everything.
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Yeah I should've saved those pics. I took pics at same exact time indoors and outdoors. I'll definitely post the comparison if I get a Snapdragon again.
I did post S9 Snapdragon vs Exynos pics in another thread if you want to check those out.
I don't have many hopes from Samsung. They will probably just call the differences "within manufacturers standard tolerance limits". By worth a try as that is what this community is for.
What gets me is that always seem to mess up their own in house chip more than Qualcomm. Battery, performance, camera, DAC...and that's the one that gets sold in 90% of the world
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You just crushed my dream of having the perfect camera ?
Could you provide a link to your mentioned thread? Thanks.
Do you feel that the S9 plus camera is better than the S10 plus Exynos camera?
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Yeah I should've saved those pics. I took pics at same exact time indoors and outdoors. I'll definitely post the comparison if I get a Snapdragon again.
I did post S9 Snapdragon vs Exynos pics in another thread if you want to check those out.
I don't have many hopes from Samsung. They will probably just call the differences "within manufacturers standard tolerance limits". By worth a try as that is what this community is for.
What gets me is that always seem to mess up their own in house chip more than Qualcomm. Battery, performance, camera, DAC...and that's the one that gets sold in 90% of the world
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edvedder said:
You just crushed my dream of having the perfect camera [emoji21]
Could you provide a link to your mentioned thread? Thanks.
Do you feel that the S9 plus camera is better than the S10 plus Exynos camera?
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Sorry... Just wanted to pass along my experience. Citytrader knows more about cameras than me and he thinks S10 captures more details.
I'm not at my computer right now to link the thread but search for bounty thread for Gcam for Exynos.
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Just want to correct this detail, I'm pretty sure most reviews online used the Snapdragon version because most of reviewers are from the USA(On YouTube anyways) and obviously get that version.
Corv0 said:
Man you need to understand that you can't just say that without showing pictures, we need samples and proofs to hammer Samsung in the face if that's the case, anandtech's pictures are unfit due to the author's poor photography skills or even common sense of using a tripod.
I'm very happy with my HDR and low light performance(from what I upgraded) and every single camera reviewer out there used the Exynos version when comparing results, results that make the P30 pro look like a crappy old black and white camera as long as it's not about low light or 10x magnification:
If Snapdragon S10s really postprocess better then it needs to be carefully proven and in the same exact conditions, allowing a cloud to move by 1cm already destroys everything.
If anyone has both models then you should compare them and make a thread here with a ton of evidence that can be used to trigger improvements on whatever chipset seems to underperform, nothing will happen unless that becomes real and all of this will limit itself to a stupid feud between fanboys of different chipsets.
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edvedder said:
Just want to correct this detail, I'm pretty sure most reviews online used the Snapdragon version because most of reviewers are from the USA(On YouTube anyways) and obviously get that version.
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Well I don't watch American reviewers, but Mrwhostheboss and Supersaf are UK based, dxomark's production is French, they all used Exynos the whole time.
But yeah, if there is any difference at all it can be solved with software, this time the rear camera sensors are all the same on both models.

Here is the thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/themes/bounty-functional-exynos-gcam-port-t3916382