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Retaining my apps when running custom roms

A few months ago, whenever I would run a custom rom I could go to the "my apps" menu in the market and I could do a mass redownload of all my apps. Now, anytime I flash a new rom and go to the market...the only things showing up in the "my apps" menu are apps I've bought...not the free ones I've downloaded. This means I have to go through the hassel of searching and finding ALL of them again which I would rather not do. Do you guys have any suggestions on how to remedy this?
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Best option is to get titanium backup... there is a free version, but the paid version is well worth the money if you do a lot of flashing
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Well I've had Titanium Backup since day 1 of rooting my phone. However, I've never HAD to use it to restore my apps after installing a rom. The fact that my apps aren't showing up in the "my apps" menu in the market is my biggest concern. I would like to remedy that if I could. Any idea why my market has been doing that recently? Also, what is the benefit of the paid version of Titanium Backup vs the free version anyway?
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mj23kb08 said:
Also, what is the benefit of the paid version of Titanium Backup vs the free version anyway?
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The benefits are that you can schedule backups (I have mine backup every night at 4am) with paid version you don't have to turn USB debugging or unknown sources on after every flash, not sure if its in the free version but i have my dropbox linked to it as well so I have a secondary source for all my apps in case my sdcard goes bad... I love how I can restore the data to each app as well, works good so I don't lose any saved data for games that don't store it elsewhere, like asphalt 6... not to mention its awesome to support the developer of such an awesome app
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hootowlserenade said:
The benefits are that you can schedule backups (I have mine backup every night at 4am) with paid version you don't have to turn USB debugging or unknown sources on after every flash, not sure if its in the free version but i have my dropbox linked to it as well so I have a secondary source for all my apps in case my sdcard goes bad... I love how I can restore the data to each app as well, works good so I don't lose any saved data for games that don't store it elsewhere, like asphalt 6... not to mention its awesome to support the developer of such an awesome app
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Also, with the paid version you don't have to click "install" on EVERY SINGLE APP when you batch install all of your apps back.
It does it automatically.
And as far as your market issues are concerned...
Use Titanium Backup, as suggested.
It'll backup market data as well...and thus when you restore the applications the market will show them in your "My Apps" list.

a theory I would like some experts to chime in on

I have a theory that Ti Backup or any backing up of apps to save re-installing time when changing to a new ROM is a bad plan. I know you can do it no problem, and that it is a great time saver, but I have a strong feeling that this ultimately results in an unstable phone with mysterious force closes etc.
Even though it's a real pain, I think you are always better off reinstalling your apps from scratch after changing to a new ROM and wiping caches.
what say you?

WTF? said:
I have a theory that Ti Backup or any backing up of apps to save re-installing time when changing to a new ROM is a bad plan. I know you can do it no problem, and that it is a great time saver, but I have a strong feeling that this ultimately results in an unstable phone with mysterious force closes etc.
Even though it's a real pain, I think you are always better off reinstalling your apps from scratch after changing to a new ROM and wiping caches.
what say you?
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I'm no expert, but I agree with you. I have love TiBa, but I haven't ever batch restored all my apps/data at once. I've used it very selectively and never had a problem. I also use it for some of the other options it has... like detaching apps from "my apps" in the Market, for instance. But overall, yes, I think you're right, and it seems like common sense. For me, the point of using TiBa to create complete backups is simply to know that I have them, just in case... this is just my experience, of course...

I use my backup root... Works quite well, but i do not restore any apps which need superuser or something like that. You can handle the force close by fixing permission after restoring apps... But yeah a fresh install seems to be better
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I make backups of apps with Ti but only use it reinstall selected app data if necessary.
Made the noob mistake of restoring system data once but live and learn.
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Reinstalling your apps + data is not the problem. it's reinstalling system data that is the culprit. part of going into a new rom is that the system is set up differently. It is fine if you just restore the apps if they're all functioning normally.
You actually can also filter your batch operations so that you can install specific files and also have it back those files up on a schedule (daily/weekly/monthly/cyclic/etc).
TLDR: reinstalling apps + data is not bad. Reinstalling system data is bad.

mputtr said:
Reinstalling your apps + data is not the problem. it's reinstalling system data that is the culprit. part of going into a new rom is that the system is set up differently. It is fine if you just restore the apps if they're all functioning normally.
You actually can also filter your batch operations so that you can install specific files and also have it back those files up on a schedule (daily/weekly/monthly/cyclic/etc).
TLDR: reinstalling apps + data is not bad. Reinstalling system data is bad.
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Obviously, restoring system data across ROMs is just plain wrong, but even restoring user app/data can be problematic. Just recently I read a post from a user who was regularly restoring user apps/data after ROM updates... the person started experiencing minor glitches with their device, performed a factory reset, re flashed, reinstalled everything from scratch, and the issues resolved themselves... I can't count the times I've read posts like this. Of course, these same users got along just fine for a time before the problems developed, so I agree with you when you said restoring user apps/data is "not bad." But over time, it might not be good either.

WTF? said:
I have a theory that Ti Backup or any backing up of apps to save re-installing time when changing to a new ROM is a bad plan. I know you can do it no problem, and that it is a great time saver, but I have a strong feeling that this ultimately results in an unstable phone with mysterious force closes etc.
Even though it's a real pain, I think you are always better off reinstalling your apps from scratch after changing to a new ROM and wiping caches.
what say you?
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Calling it a theory would imply that you are going to present some evidence supporting it, which you have not. No evidence, its just a hypothesis.

Well obviously by copying data back and forth regularly you increase the potential for corruption etc to occur, whatever the cause. Is that not just a given? But unless you're doing it an unnecessary amount of times I shouldn't think you would run into noticeable trouble.

I always sucessfully batch restore my apps and app data (with Titanium Backup Pro) after a format of system and never have run into any issues.
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Ditamae said:
Obviously, restoring system data across ROMs is just plain wrong, but even restoring user app/data can be problematic. Just recently I read a post from a user who was regularly restoring user apps/data after ROM updates... the person started experiencing minor glitches with their device, performed a factory reset, re flashed, reinstalled everything from scratch, and the issues resolved themselves... I can't count the times I've read posts like this. Of course, these same users got along just fine for a time before the problems developed, so I agree with you when you said restoring user apps/data is "not bad." But over time, it might not be good either.
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I have been doing this since the old winmo days and have not had a single problem with it. There's a reason you do multiple copies which makes life a little easier.
I personally have not had any problems over the past 4 years of using titanium across winmo to android. So I disagree with the OP's theory. Backing up app/data wont make it go bad over time. It's not a consumable so it doesn't matter how many times you back it up or over how many years you do. if you keep your app updated and you back it up, it wont go bad over time.

G1ForFun said:
I always sucessfully batch restore my apps and app data (with Titanium Backup Pro) after a format of system and never have run into any issues.
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Ditto for me, though these days I just upgrade the same ROM to new versions and only wipe the caches.
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mputtr said:
I have been doing this since the old winmo days and have not had a single problem with it. There's a reason you do multiple copies which makes life a little easier.
I personally have not had any problems over the past 4 years of using titanium across winmo to android. So I disagree with the OP's theory. Backing up app/data wont make it go bad over time. It's not a consumable so it doesn't matter how many times you back it up or over how many years you do. if you keep your app updated and you back it up, it wont go bad over time.
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As I said, I've never had an issue using it selectively, but I was hesitant to rely on it too heavily. I need to bear in mind that for every user who reports a problem, there are usually many more that get along just fine. Thanks for the input.

G1ForFun said:
I always sucessfully batch restore my apps and app data (with Titanium Backup Pro) after a format of system and never have run into any issues.
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Zero problems here..in fact it has fixed problems for me in the past I love TB

the point is that backed up apps and data don't just go bad over time. There's a reason why you make multiple back ups.

At the end of the day, fresh > backup

Unless you have important or critical data, then backup>fresh. I have clients cry because they didn't have a backup at home or on their phone...just saying, grown men and women crying because they never thought about spending some cash for peace of mind. My backups on my phone and home network have come in handy multiple times! Backups to me are indispensible...

I use mybackup pro.
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On the other hand its fun just to back up the apks of stuff you like on your cpu, so you can make a new phone experience when you make a big change--say by using a dif combo of apps/themes.
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G1ForFun said:
I always sucessfully batch restore my apps and app data (with Titanium Backup Pro) after a format of system and never have run into any issues.
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+1
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Yeah i think so too. Because ti backup sometimes restores apps but the apps FCs :/ i dont like ti backup...
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What are you doing with your 50.00 playstore card

Please post any must have paid apps and also what you will be doing with your gift card.
Saving it, spending it, giving it away?
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Saving it until I need it. I usually use it to support devs for apps I use that I haven't already bought/donated to.

If you want you can buy a premium key for Titanium Backup as it'll be usefull for you in case you want to move from one device to another!

I've already bought all the premiums for the apps I use. I guess I'll sell it on ebay and make my tax back from the 6p.
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Right now, waiting for Google to send me my $50 credit in e-mail.....up to 96 hours for the e-mail to arrive.

I know titanium has been around forever but Is it safe to restore from one rom to the other... Will it cause issues with the system? If they are different. I always read do not restore data from titanium. I have always started fresh when romming. Even though its such a pain... I think I'll purchase some games that I probably wouldn't have purchased otherwise. And see what other apps people come up with
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Tfast500 said:
I know titanium has been around forever but Is it safe to restore from one rom to the other... Will it cause issues with the system? If they are different. I always read do not restore data from titanium. I have always started fresh when romming. Even though its such a pain... I think I'll purchase some games that I probably wouldn't have purchased otherwise. And see what other apps people come up with
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It's safe because you're not restoring a ROM, you're restoring individual apps.
It's always been recommended not to restore the data for those individual apps, though

I was thinking of getting nova launcher prime..

Goat simulator

Tfast500 said:
I know titanium has been around forever but Is it safe to restore from one rom to the other... Will it cause issues with the system? If they are different. I always read do not restore data from titanium. I have always started fresh when romming. Even though its such a pain... I think I'll purchase some games that I probably wouldn't have purchased otherwise. And see what other apps people come up with
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Do not restore system settings or system apps and you'll be fine.
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Nothing as Google hates the UK (I made that up) we didn't get the offer.

Tfast500 said:
I know titanium has been around forever but Is it safe to restore from one rom to the other... Will it cause issues with the system? If they are different. I always read do not restore data from titanium. I have always started fresh when romming. Even though its such a pain... I think I'll purchase some games that I probably wouldn't have purchased otherwise. And see what other apps people come up with
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I've been restoring and backing up the same updated apps since gingerbread. Just don't do system apps to be safe.

stennett said:
Nothing as Google hates the UK (I made that up) we didn't get the offer.
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My sentiments exactly. Pay an extra premium price with no play credit offer. Perhaps El goog will see us right from GPS orders. C'mon lads, impress me (you need to do something after the N9!)

Wow that is crap I assumed all preorders no matter location had the free playstore card
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I will most likely be buying more USB C chargers.

I think I can use it to pay Google Music monthly subscription for next 5 months. If it doesn't work, then I can certainly use it for apps and stuff.

I will be using my credit to buy an extra home charger and a usb-c to usb-a converter so when needed I can connect my phone to a flash drive of some sort.

dafababa said:
I will most likely be buying more USB C chargers.
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Unfortunately, it can't be used on the Google Store. I think its primarily for apps.

Music all access and probably a few kernel apps or donations for people here

hsj1906 said:
Unfortunately, it can't be used on the Google Store. I think its primarily for apps.
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Are you 100% sure? When you go to check out from the "Google Store" (not app section) one of the drop down "Pay With" options is Google Play Balance. Unless the 50 bucks doesn't go into that same bucket of money, I am not sure how they would be able to tell what is my deposited money and their credit money.

Moving from Nexus 4 to Nexus 6P (non-rooted)

Hello,
I'm planning on buying a Nexus 6p. At the moment I'm using a Nexus 4 (non-rooted).
Is there any way to transfer all my apps and data from the N4 to the N6P?
I heard that Helium won't work in this case. Is that true?
Thank you very much in advance

MrManson666 said:
Hello,
I'm planning on buying a Nexus 6p. At the moment I'm using a Nexus 4 (non-rooted).
Is there any way to transfer all my apps and data from the N4 to the N6P?
I heard that Helium won't work in this case. Is that true?
Thank you very much in advance
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I believe Helium requires root, as does Titanium Backup. Transferring your apps wouldn't be hard in the slightest, during the setup process on the Nexus 6P, the SetupWizard asks you if you'd like to restore apps from a previous phone, so that would be simple, however locally stored game data could be lost, say if your game doesn't save to a cloud, and uses a save file instead. Cheers!

adzcache said:
I believe Helium requires root, as does Titanium Backup. Transferring your apps wouldn't be hard in the slightest, during the setup process on the Nexus 6P, the SetupWizard asks you if you'd like to restore apps from a previous phone, so that would be simple, however locally stored game data could be lost, say if your game doesn't save to a cloud, and uses a save file instead. Cheers!
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Helium doesn't require root but a lot of ratings say, that it doesn't support encrypted marshmallow devices. and the n6p is encrypted out of the box, right?

MrManson666 said:
Helium doesn't require root but a lot of ratings say, that it doesn't support encrypted marshmallow devices. and the n6p is encrypted out of the box, right?
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To be honest, not sure about encryption, and wow I had no idea Helium functioned without root!

program/app to backup phone data before unlocking the bootloader?

Hey! This may sound like a noon question. Ive been rooting my phones for almost a decade and never cared about loosing all my data and apps during the process.
However, now I'm about more concerned about it, and was wondering if anyone could recommend me a free program or app to make a complete data and apps backup?
Thanks....

enzzo28 said:
Hey! This may sound like a noon question. Ive been rooting my phones for almost a decade and never cared about loosing all my data and apps during the process.
However, now I'm about more concerned about it, and was wondering if anyone could recommend me a free program or app to make a complete data and apps backup?
Thanks....
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Nothing that I can think of before unlocking the BL, which is why I do it as soon as I take the phone out of the box.

How about OnePlus switch app that is already present at the phone. You can do backups and restores from the app.
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klemono said:
How about OnePlus switch app that is already present at the phone. You can do backups and restores from the app.
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Thanks!
I thought it only worked to transfer data from phone to phone. But I was wrong, I just checked and realized I could make the backup and then transfer it to my pc...

Android Pie has a built-in backup option already. Under system>backup. Hope this helps.

TheKnux said:
Android Pie has a built-in backup option already. Under system>backup. Hope this helps.
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Thanks!
But unfortunately it doesn't backup all my apps

@enzzo28
OnePlus Switch does an amazing with back up data....

DrakenFX said:
@enzzo28
OnePlus Switch does an amazing with back up data....
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I'd never opened then app, until today...
Thanks for pointing it out!

enzzo28 said:
I'd never opened then app, until today...
Thanks for pointing it out!
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I never had an OnePlus till now , but OP Switch work as expected...

But getting the backup from internal storage to somewhere less volatile is difficult - large files, slow even over USB 3 connection. Oh for a microUSB card...