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[Q] Amazon App Store and Android Market

Hey Everyone,
I haven't seen anything on the Epic forums about this yet... so here is my piece.
I got the Amazon app store the other day, and I'm pretty impressed. The most impressive feature, to me, isn't the free app a day... it is the fact that it remembers your purchases/downloads. I've wiped my phone yesterday to start from scratch, and as soon as I reinstalled the Amazon App Store, it asked me if I wanted to view my purchased apps. I clicked each one, they downloaded and installed.
The part I don't get, is why can't the Android Market do the same thing? You are required to put in a user/pass (just like amazon app store)... so what prevents them from at least remembering what apps you've downloaded and provide the links to re-download them? I've used Titanium Backup to back up and restore, but I'm not convinced that it doesn't create problems (phone runs much smoother and with less problems when I don't use Titanium Backup to restore).
I know this was long, and you've probably lost interest already... but if anyone has any info or knowledge on the subject, please chime in!
That is all.

Actually my nexus one does auto restore from android market, so it might be a feature in gingerbread.
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The market does remember your purchese apps. When I had the moment then switched to the epic all the apps I bought came up on this phone when I loged in on to my gmail acc
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Ok, maybe I need to clarify a bit...
I haven't "purchased" any apps from the Android Market or the Amazon App Store. I've downloaded numerous free apps.
I would imagine paid apps get re-linked... but what about the free apps you've purchased?
I've been playing around with ROMS... so after every wipe, I go in to the market... and nothing is there.
If this is a feature in Gingerbread, it will be awesome. I would never worry or hesitate to wipe my phone if I had an issue. It isn't downloading the apps that bother me, it's searching for each one individually.

For some reason the epic doesnt have the back up data thing that aosp phones do.
When you sign in, it automatically redownloads and installs everyapp you had installed.
Also, on market.android.com you can see everything youve downloaded and install it by hand.
I agree that its stupid the epic is missing that feature. My hero running cm6 has it
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DK28 had the app restore feature, not sure why it was removed since.

A_Flying_Fox said:
For some reason the epic doesnt have the back up data thing that aosp phones do.
When you sign in, it automatically redownloads and installs everyapp you had installed.
Also, on market.android.com you can see everything youve downloaded and install it by hand.
I agree that its stupid the epic is missing that feature. My hero running cm6 has it
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Wow, never knew about this. So if I wipe my phone, I can log into market.android.com and it will redownload all of my apps for me? As nice as it would be to have it all on the device, logging in to the website isn't bad at all!

A lot of the reviews of the Amazon Appstore never seem to mention what I personally think is a killer feature: sorting and filtering.
At any step of the way, you can choose to only view 3+/4+/5+ star apps, among other options. As soon as I heard about the new store, before it even came out, I had high hopes for sorting, knowing it's one of the great features of Amazon.com.
Google tends to shun sorting/filtering in favor of typed search queries. You can see this in the almost religious devotion to search in gmail, where sorting by anything but date is impossible without using a third party client--and this limitation is vehemently defended by Gmail supporters.
In this regard, I think Amazon will remain on top. I just don't see Google backpeddling on this philosophy, and the Android Market will remain dominated by algorithms and search queries.

mnanez5280 said:
Wow, never knew about this. So if I wipe my phone, I can log into market.android.com and it will redownload all of my apps for me? As nice as it would be to have it all on the device, logging in to the website isn't bad at all!
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A little off topic but Sense 2.0 ROMS do that also. I've been running Myn's and Mik's Desire Z ports on my Evo and whenever you log back in with your Gmail account all of your apps, paid and free, automatically start downloading to the phone. Pretty neat feature.

Yep, got a Wifi Xoom today, and sure enough about 90% of my installed apps came over...all of my purchased apps are available for redownload.
Same thing happened when I switched from HeroC to Epic.
This re-download was a new feature of 2.2, and you have to have 2.2 and be going to 2.2+ to restore.

Opinions on limited internal storage

I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.

vaxick said:
I'm very interested in the Xperia Play, but the limited internal storage memory is a bit of a turnoff. Is there a true solution to avoiding this issue (app2sd?) or will even installing apps on a SD card still leave some data on the internal storage memory.
I'm a bit out of date with Android development since I've been into WebOS. Still plan on buying a Pre 3, but it's tempting to get a Xperia Play as a secondary phone.
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If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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I agree, also I'll point out that if you have the device rooted you can use Titanium Backup to do the same thing (I haven't got around to installing the Android SDK to my PC yet). All my Gameloft games etc are <1mb internal. I have loads of games & still running with 165Mb free.
Memory is only a concern if you don't have the know how
As for the Pre 3 I was tempted too cuz I loved all the old PalmOS devices, but I was put off by the fact that they went with a 3.5" screen. Even Apple will be going bigger than this on their next release.

That's not too bad. I might check the phone out soon to make a decision as to if I should get one. I always like having a spare phone just in case something goes wrong with my primary or I go somewhere where I'd like to use one phone over another.
Pre 3 screen is 3.6-inches and I actually don't mind that. I've had a Palm Pre Plus since launch and I've never really been turned off by the screen size. I kinda like the smaller profile of the phone and I'm looking forward to WebOS 3.0. I'm just hoping HP markets WebOS properly to make the platform more attractive to developers.

Trust me it wont be a problem. and like many have said all you have to do is use ADB once and then all your apps are installed on the SD card but even if you dont do that its still plentiful.

Nhialor said:
If you use adb you can move 95% of your apps to the sd, freeing up HUGE amounts of internal memory. I was on 40mb free before using adb, now I've like an extra 5 or 10 apps since then and have over 180mb free
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How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?

everything except batch restore i beleve

danieljamie said:
How could you possibly have 40mb free before?
When I first got my phone last week the remaining memory was like at least 150 - 200mb? I'm running launcher pro now, have all sync and everything switched on, and my remaining RAM is 235MB, remaining INTERNAL STORAGE is 186MB now.
Can titanium backup FREE be used to do everything the paid one does?
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dunno mate, but im not lying...?

I wasn't doubting it just seems odd lol
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I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.

1) Root phone
2) Install titanium backup
3) Batch move apps to sd card, including unmovable apps
4) Profit
It is as easy as that.

ncaissie said:
I use App 2 SD Pro and it has been working very well. That is why I paid for the pro.
I'm still in the air on the Advanced Task Manager app though. I need to get more into it. I kill the processes and it leaves 3 going. Then a minute later there is about 15 going again. I need to find a permanent stop to a bunch of those apps and figure out how to make them run as needed.
I like to pay for good useful tools.
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You cannot stop the system apps or the bloat the phone starts itself unless you uninstall them. Task managers work well for apps you have installed yourself but the stuff that keep resarting will keep restarting no matter how many times to kill them (it will drain your battery and possiblale do more damage then good ).
Root and uninstall the crap from the safe apps to remove list. Also titanium backup free version lets you move the unmovable apps to sd such as ashphalt and fifa e.t.c less then 1mb instead of 30mb will help with internal storage

problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.

danieljamie said:
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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You can now
Have a look in the Dev forum...

danieljamie said:
problem is you can't root 2.3.3
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If your bootloader is unlocked you can install the rooted 2.3.3 rom which has been confirmed as being succesfully rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098736. If the bootloader is locked such as mine you are right and will have to wait for a rooting method to appear.
ncaissie said:
I have 2.3.2 still.
But I am nervous about killing my warranty.
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Rooting does void it. But if you have a locked bootloader you can use SUES to reinstall the software without the root and not even SE would be able to tell.

Thats alright but I refuse to unlock my bootloader guess I have to wait and I'm stuck with bloatware lol

I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.

Use the adb command to set the install location to memory card
adb pm setInstallLocation 2
It solves most of the issue, and gives the option to move 99% of it apps to sdcard. It also installs the future apps directly to the sdcard. Provided u must be on froyo or higher. Rooting or unrooting doesn't really matter with this.
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ncaissie said:
I see a lot about how to root and unlock the Bootloader but don't see anything on why. I know rooting gives you access to removing the bloat. What does unlocking do? And what can I do without restricting myself to one version of gingerbread for life? Like one guy said I don't know where to start.
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Unlocking means that, when they get round to it, you can install your own custom roms that are specially themed and other improvements like overclocking the processor.
As you rightly said, rooting lets you remove the bloat, which is great. Also, unlocking means you can flash a rooted stock firmware. However I refuse to unlock my bootloader (YET).
You can wait for more sony ericsson updates, or wait for the android devs to make some cool custom ROM that we will eventually install (with unlocked bootloader).

Titanium backup question

So I think I'm moving to the Sensation after some major issues with the Glacier. (I sure got T Mobile's attention. That's for sure. They actually offered me an Amaze as a free replacement. But it's just too big in my hand and pocket.)
Anywho....can I backup my Glacier apps and data with Titanium Backup and reinstall them to a Sensation? Or will it make everything screwball?
It's more the data within the apps that I don't want to lose. Not to mention all the settings for various apps that I don't feel like spending 9 hours pouring through to get it all back to the way I like it.
I can live with redownloading all the apps from the Market if I have to. But I'd like to know if I can use Titanium to at least reinstall all the data.
(If I have to beat certain Angry Birds levels again.....those green pigs are going to die)
It's apps like Jorte Calendar that I've spent hours tweaking the color schemes on that I don't want to lose. And for some reason Jorte doesn't have a 'save settings to file" option like Go SMS does.

Skipjacks said:
So I think I'm moving to the Sensation after some major issues with the Glacier. (I sure got T Mobile's attention. That's for sure. They actually offered me an Amaze as a free replacement. But it's just too big in my hand and pocket.)
Anywho....can I backup my Glacier apps and data with Titanium Backup and reinstall them to a Sensation? Or will it make everything screwball?
It's more the data within the apps that I don't want to lose. Not to mention all the settings for various apps that I don't feel like spending 9 hours pouring through to get it all back to the way I like it.
I can live with redownloading all the apps from the Market if I have to. But I'd like to know if I can use Titanium to at least reinstall all the data.
(If I have to beat certain Angry Birds levels again.....those green pigs are going to die)
It's apps like Jorte Calendar that I've spent hours tweaking the color schemes on that I don't want to lose. And for some reason Jorte doesn't have a 'save settings to file" option like Go SMS does.
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lol the Sensation looks really nice! i really want one...
and to answer your question, yes you can. i've tried moving app data from one phone to another (both androids, two completely different brands) using TitaniumBackup, everything was fine

Well that's a load off my mind!

Tb only works with rooted devices just a heads up.
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coupetastic-droid said:
Tb only works with rooted devices just a heads up.
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Yeah...the Sensation will barely be warmed up before I have it rooted. I assure you.

I've moved app data from the HTC Thunderbolt to the HTC Rezound with no problems. Of course make sure not to include system data just apps and app data.
Im sure a few apps may cause problems but its rare. I would do it in sections and make a nandroid backup maybe a third of the way or halfway so if there's a problem you won't have to start all the way over.
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[Q] Titanium Back Up VS Carbon

I have been a long time user of Titanium Back Up Pro and its been both magical and wonderful all these years and now Koush has pushed out Carbon...
Does anyone have any insights as to why it would be better to move over to Carbon for backup purposes BESIDES SYNC. and besides the sync feature they pretty much both do the same thing or is one app better than the other for any reason.
Just looking for some user feedback on who has used both and which they prefer...

Haven't tried carbon but I assume there is more compatibility/support from other apps/devs for Titanium. Will have to look into carbon.
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If Carbon does what it says on the tin, the single most compelling feature is to be able to backup and restore market apps & and data without needing root. That's got to be compelling for folks on devices like the N7 where the least-resistance path to rooting involves wiping the device.
The least attractive feature seems to be that it requires a PC...

bftb0 said:
If Carbon does what it says on the tin, the single most compelling feature is to be able to backup and restore market apps & and data without needing root. That's got to be compelling for folks on devices like the N7 where the least-resistance path to rooting involves wiping the device.
The least attractive feature seems to be that it requires a PC...
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Yes i totally forgot about the fact that you do not need to root the device. but when i got my n7 first thing i did was turn it on made sure it worked and from there rooted within the first hour haha
but that is true... for those that dont look into root...

Well I'm no expert in this area, so my feedback will be purely based on user experience with no knowledge on how the two work.
Carbon is nicer, cleaner, simpler, and much easier to navigate than TB. I used TB before Carbon came out, but once I used Carbon I stopped using TB.
Just simple feedback from a typical Android user

I'm gonna try carbon next time I flash anything on my s2 (stock 4.2.2 on my n7 and keeping it that way) but I will do a titanium backup too.
Titanium backup is the best for many reasons and has been for awhile. Something really great would ever be able to replace it.
Can you freeze apps, make individual backups, clear data and caches on carbon?? Batch restore some apps with data, then others without? Would need all these options to compete.....for me anyway.
Gonna check out carbon. Will post my experience when I use it.
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Carbon is more 'user-friendly' than Titanium but has fewer features... also, you don't need root.
But just running it on my (rooted) Nexus 7... there are four apps (out of the 200+ apps I have installed) designated as BACKUP DISALLOWED... (you have to scroll down to the bottom of the screen to see this).
They are...
TricksterMod
Argos (a shopping app for the UK catalogue store)
AdAway
ZArchiver
Carbon will not backup these apps... not even the APKs...(aside from the userdata associated with them).
But Titanium will...
Not quite sure why this should be... even Gemini App Manager (http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seasmind.android.gmappmgr&hl=en) will backup these APKs... and also doesn't require root.
Very puzzling...
I'll be sticking with Titanium. It does what I need it to do. And backs up EVERYTHING!
Rgrds,
Ged.

GedBlake said:
Carbon is more 'user-friendly' than Titanium but has fewer features... also, you don't need root.
But just running it on my (rooted) Nexus 7... there are four apps (out of the 200+ apps I have installed) designated as BACKUP DISALLOWED... (you have to scroll down to the bottom of the screen to see this).
They are...
TricksterMod
Argos (a shopping app for the UK catalogue store)
AdAway
ZArchiver
Carbon will not backup these apps... not even the APKs...(aside from the userdata associated with them).
But Titanium will...
Not quite sure why this should be... even Gemini App Manager (http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seasmind.android.gmappmgr&hl=en) will backup these APKs... and also doesn't require root.
Very puzzling...
I'll be sticking with Titanium. It does what I need it to do. And backs up EVERYTHING!
Rgrds,
Ged.
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You could always use rom toolbox and have all the features you need for rooted phones for $5
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brownchm said:
You could always use rom toolbox and have all the features you need for rooted phones for $5
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I already have all the features I need...
...with TWRP, Titanium, ChainFires SU (although recently being playing around with Koush's new SuperUser app), Terminal Emulator...and a root capable file manager like X-Plore.
...and of course, FASTBOOT...
Why would I need a toolbox?
Rgrds,
Ged.

[Q] Reboots

Hey Ladies and Gents,
I've updated my Note3 to the latest Update and installed Scotts Clean Rom 1.5 and it ran great until I started restoring my apps. Once all apps were restored (from the Play store, not from my Titanium BU Archive) the phone started rebooting and was stuck in a loop, couldn't get it back to the homescreen. Googled and found that some folks say "Remove your SD card and turn off the constant Wi-Fi scanning" but that didn't help, so I wiped and re-installed the Rom....all was well...until I restored my Apps again. I don't know which App could be causing this, they're all from the Play Store and all of my apps are Paid Apps (Don't like Ads in my apps so I pay for them if they have a Pay App available). Just wiped again and haven't restored any apps, but rebooted the device myself about 5 times, everything works.
Have any of you ever seen this before? Most of my Apps are Camera and Photo Editing Apps. I'm not going to restore anything because I need my phone work work, so I'll only attach my Personal and Work E-mails to it, but that's not going to fly for long. Apparently the Boot-Looping issue is known http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/17/some-galaxy-note-3-units-experiencing-boot-loops/
Any ideas ?
Thanks.

Have you tried restoring 1 app at a time to narrow it down?
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neopolotin75 said:
Have you tried restoring 1 app at a time to narrow it down?
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That'll be my next step....I have over 450 paid apps, so I'm going to weed out the apps that I don't use all the time, and focus on the ones I do use. It will be time consuming.....

tdetroit said:
That'll be my next step....I have over 450 paid apps, so I'm going to weed out the apps that I don't use all the time, and focus on the ones I do use. It will be time consuming.....
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That's a lot of apps. Lol. That will probably be your best bet though...pack a lunch. Lol
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neopolotin75 said:
That's a lot of apps. Lol. That will probably be your best bet though...pack a lunch. Lol
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LOL...I'm an App-o-holic.

I just downloaded another ROM for the new update, and I'll load all of my apps with that to see if it's isolated by ROM's or Apps. It's a snowy wonderland outside, so there's nothing better to do than play with my phone and figure this out.

Ok....this is odd. I've tried a different ROM and installed ALL of my apps, no issues, no rebooting.....so one of my apps doesn't like to play with Scotts Clean Rom.....hmmmmm. Seeing how there are only two ROM's available that are for the new OTA update, I'm going to stick with this ROM and install Scotts into another slot and then go one by one, and see why/how/which app is not playing nice.